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« Reply #375 on: June 02, 2009, 21:14 »
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This topic seems to have become an issue about U.S. politics (and should probably be moved as such to the ranting forums).  Well, let me tell you what the U.S. has done for most of you.  We have saved your butts from two World Wars.  Most of you would be living under a flag from Nazi Germany or the Land of the Rising Sun if it wasn't for the U.S.

You bitch and moan about the U.S. all the time, yet they are the ones that "keep the peace" around the world.  They could have conquered the world ten times over already, yet they are content with their small slice of the world over the pond.




This doesn't belong here , but if provocations are allowed then the answer has to come

what are you talking about , USA always cared only about its ass. First you declared war to Japan after Pearl Harbor, and than Germany and Italy declared war to you because of that , but the fact is
that USA  avoided to declare war to directly to Germany at the same time they did to Japan. So you never entered the war before Axis declare it to you and that's a fact.  Again those conflict with Japan was for pure economical reasons , and by the way the backbone of your navy was destroyed in a single attack.

Second , if it wasn't for Soviet Union Hitler would have taken Europe without any problem , then got stronger and take it on you so you had no choice but to enter the war to save only your own asses.
If the Soviet union joined him as he planned , you would be also speaking German now and that's another  historical fact you cant avoid.

Again your bravery erupted few days before Japanese would declare defeat to the Soviet Union , so you started a nice genocide against pure civilians with atomic weapons only to avoid Eastern part of
the world falling in hand of Communists and protecting only your own interests. 

World peace , haha , yes sure , so you have to be thankful to the rest of the world as much as they have to be to you and no one owns you nothing.


And since you obviously like jokes lets me also throw one:


Yo know how US proved the existence of mass destruction weapons to UN  ?
Well ,luckily they kept the bill.


Big kiss


« Reply #376 on: June 02, 2009, 22:30 »
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Well, i phoned up the IRS today and asked them if instead of a notarised and apostilled passport they would instead accept vast amounts of incredulity.

No go, I'm afraid. And i was on the phone for hours, being totally charming... : (

I think the IRS require evidence that we are who we say we are; just in case we're no good darn cheaters trying to pretend to be british, or french, or some other foreigner when we're really not.

The story so far is that there is no way out of it. But stories have changed before..... : )

x

As far as I remember I had to upload a copy of my passport when registering to Shutterstock ;)
I know! : D  i explained that too.... and also the fact that the british passport doesnt even have an address...

The good news is that i just read this

If you've communicated to us that you are in the process of acquiring an ITIN (or other relevant IRS paperwork), we will not withhold - please note this only applies to treaty country submitters. (This includes, as you mention below, if anyone gets rejected because of this technicality of what constitutes a "signed letter" from us.)

The above from the SS forum from the administrator.

It looks they have have made a promise that if  'you are in the process of acquiring an ITIN (or other relevant IRS paperwork), we will not withhold'  I don't know if what their Admins write in the forums can be  taken as fixed policy, and  hopefully this line will not change.

This is excellent news for all who were worried about the timescales for compliance.

Good news so far:

1.Only US sales will be taxed - not non-US sales
2. an appropriate letter is to be sent by SS
3. those in the process of applying will not have their tax withheld/witheld

I am happy that some of the issues continue to get resolved.

definitely check the ss forums for the latest tax situation.


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« Reply #377 on: June 02, 2009, 22:38 »
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This still doesnt help the non-treaty countries : (

« Reply #378 on: June 02, 2009, 22:52 »
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 Well, let me tell you what the U.S. has done for most of you.  We have saved your butts from two World Wars.  Most of you would be living under a flag from Nazi Germany or the Land of the Rising Sun if it wasn't for the U.S.

You bitch and moan about the U.S. all the time, yet they are the ones that "keep the peace" around the world.  They could have conquered the world ten times over already, yet they are content with their small slice of the world over the pond.

I wont comment about the tax / contributors. But ROFLAMO with the history and peacekeeping, I seriously hope that it is meant tongue in cheek  :)  

Bravo you. I won't comment either : D

You know why?  IT'S NOT REAL

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.

it's generally considered a shoddy and lazy form of debate, and as such should not be dignified with any response except an astonishingly childish and stupid one.

This is my response
US what, who? Sorry, mate never heard of them. Next?
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« Reply #379 on: June 03, 2009, 02:49 »
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StockManiac's comments do make me wonder if they have history lessons in the US.  Perhaps that is what the withholding tax will be spent on :)

« Reply #380 on: June 03, 2009, 03:01 »
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What? You'll be telling me Canada isn't part of the United States next... sheesh!

Sorry is Ireland not in UK? Maybe Ireland have its own international tax system?


The Republic of Ireland, or Eire, is not UK.  Missed some geography classes?   ;)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland


Northern Ireland is not Ireland.  Ireland (sites .ie) is another country.  You know, Dublin, St. Patrick, U-2, Guiness beer, James Joyce, Cliffs of Moher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland

RT


« Reply #381 on: June 03, 2009, 04:24 »
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StockManiac's comments do make me wonder if they have history lessons in the US.  Perhaps that is what the withholding tax will be spent on :)

I think in some schools the history lessons must be taught by Hollywood directors.

However I don't want to get into a debate about who did what, none of us where there and yet some people like to take credit for what some very brave and courageous people did a long time ago, I'd imagine some of those who gave their lives from all countries involved would turn in their grave at his ridiculous comment "we saved your butts".
« Last Edit: June 03, 2009, 04:57 by RT »

Milinz

« Reply #382 on: June 03, 2009, 05:05 »
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Sorry is Ireland not in UK? Maybe Ireland have its own international tax system?


The Republic of Ireland, or Eire, is not UK.  Missed some geography classes?   ;)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland


Northern Ireland is not Ireland.  Ireland (sites .ie) is another country.  You know, Dublin, St. Patrick, U-2, Guiness beer, James Joyce, Cliffs of Moher.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland


It is obvious - I merely thought that is better to be in UK than in Ireland, thus, it may be cheaper to be in Northern Ireland than in London... But, I apologize for my bad explaining what I thought about Ireland... It is meant to be Northern Ireland!

« Reply #383 on: June 03, 2009, 10:28 »
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I know! : D  i explained that too.... and also the fact that the british passport doesnt even have an address...

I didn't know there were addresses in passports.  Ours don't.  What if a person changes address, does he need a new passport?

« Reply #384 on: June 03, 2009, 14:50 »
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I know! : D  i explained that too.... and also the fact that the british passport doesnt even have an address...

I didn't know there were addresses in passports.  Ours don't.  What if a person changes address, does he need a new passport?

yeah, i never really got that about foreign passports. My theory is is that they don't change home as much as the Brits.... but my own theory doesn't even convince me : )

Don't worry, i think this is only a problem in a different context. E.g. incorporating a company in India, where you need to supply photo id with proof of residence. I don't have a driving licence, and the UK doesn't have ID cards.... soooooo big pain in vast bottom.

I don't think it's a problem here. But check the country specific thread on ss for a more informed view...
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« Reply #385 on: June 04, 2009, 00:53 »
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Double indemnity taxation - I live in the UK, so if I do nothing, it will be 0% withheld as that is the current tax agreement. It is up to me to declare income in the UK earned overseas. You don't pay tax on income twice. (US/UK).
Oldhand

If you do nothing then the US will stop the 30% withholding tax, if you fill out the paperwork then they will stop 0% and you need to declare the earning in the UK, these are your choices.

Not sure how this works in Croatia, but in the UK you can also ask to offset any witholding tax when you submit your accounts, if you feel you are off the radar and not declaring stock earnings to your tax office then your choices are to declare and fill out the forms, or swallow the 30% loss.

David

« Reply #386 on: June 04, 2009, 08:00 »
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Not sure how this works in Croatia, but in the UK you can also ask to offset any witholding tax when you submit your accounts, if you feel you are off the radar and not declaring stock earnings to your tax office then your choices are to declare and fill out the forms, or swallow the 30% loss.

David

In Croatia it doesn't metter if you fill out the forms or not, IRS will take 30%, since we don't have tax treaty with USA. And beside that I DO declare my stock earning to my tax office and pay my taxes on such earnings.

Jasenka

« Reply #387 on: June 04, 2009, 11:48 »
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Jasenka,

Check if in Croatia it is like in Brazil, at least what I understand:  the taxable income in only the net value received from the USA company.

« Reply #388 on: June 05, 2009, 02:10 »
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Jasenka,

Check if in Croatia it is like in Brazil, at least what I understand:  the taxable income in only the net value received from the USA company.

Thank you Madelaide for your suggestion :)

For sure I'll go next week in our tax institution for a long meeting to go through all the questions that have arisen.

Best regards,

Jasenka

« Reply #389 on: June 05, 2009, 15:10 »
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This may have been mentioned, as I skipped 10 pages of comments.

From a pragmatic point of view for people pulling their ports, isn't 70% of income more than 100% of no income?



On the WWII tangent, I'd say two of the biggest contributors to winning the war was the Soviet Union's manpower (or should I say personpower, as they had women serving too) and industrial capacity, and the USA's industrial and agricultural capacity.  It also helped that Hitler decided to attack the USSR, against their peace treaty - opening up the Eastern front and soaking up Axis resources.

I can definately say with the USA's invovlment, I'd probably be living (if I would even have been born) in the Philippines under Japan's East Co-Prosperity Sphere cursing my Japanese colonizers instead of being in California driving a Toyota Prius.


 

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