Quote from: Sandralise on September 25, 2013, 23:24

Quote from: Monty-m-gue on September 25, 2013, 23:22
I've never found a way into Getty but I've just been accepted at OFFSET. 30% of something is better to me than 40% held out of reach...

Well said, Lee!

You said you were asked to contribute though.

Quote from: tickstock on September 25, 2013, 23:27

Quote from: Sandralise on September 25, 2013, 23:24

Quote from: Monty-m-gue on September 25, 2013, 23:22
I've never found a way into Getty but I've just been accepted at OFFSET. 30% of something is better to me than 40% held out of reach...

Well said, Lee!

You said you were asked to contribute though.

Yes I was and I declined...so?

Quote from: Sandralise on September 25, 2013, 23:31

Quote from: tickstock on September 25, 2013, 23:27

Quote from: Sandralise on September 25, 2013, 23:24

Quote from: Monty-m-gue on September 25, 2013, 23:22
I've never found a way into Getty but I've just been accepted at OFFSET. 30% of something is better to me than 40% held out of reach...

Well said, Lee!

You said you were asked to contribute though.

Yes I was and I declined...so?

Quote from: Sandralise on September 25, 2013, 23:31

Quote from: tickstock on September 25, 2013, 23:27

Quote from: Sandralise on September 25, 2013, 23:24

Quote from: Monty-m-gue on September 25, 2013, 23:22
I've never found a way into Getty but I've just been accepted at OFFSET. 30% of something is better to me than 40% held out of reach...

Well said, Lee!

You said you were asked to contribute though.

Yes I was and I declined...so?

Quote from: Sandralise on September 25, 2013, 23:31

Quote from: tickstock on September 25, 2013, 23:27

Quote from: Sandralise on September 25, 2013, 23:24

Quote from: Monty-m-gue on September 25, 2013, 23:22
I've never found a way into Getty but I've just been accepted at OFFSET. 30% of something is better to me than 40% held out of reach...

Well said, Lee!

You said you were asked to contribute though.

Yes I wasand I declined...so?

Fair enough, you're allowed to chose the lower royalty rate at Offset over Getty.  I was just trying to understand that better but what about choosing Offset over Stocksy, they should be fighting for the same customers shouldn't they?  Seems to me that Stocksy should raise their prices 100% or more.

Quote from: tickstock on September 25, 2013, 23:42

Quote from: Sandralise on September 25, 2013, 23:31

Quote from: tickstock on September 25, 2013, 23:27

Quote from: Sandralise on September 25, 2013, 23:24

Quote from: Monty-m-gue on September 25, 2013, 23:22
I've never found a way into Getty but I've just been accepted at OFFSET. 30% of something is better to me than 40% held out of reach...

Well said, Lee!

You said you were asked to contribute though.

Yes I wasand I declined...so?

Fair enough, you're allowed to chose the lower royalty rate at Offset over Getty.  I was just trying to understand that better but what about choosing Offset over Stocksy, they should be fighting for the same customers shouldn't they?  Seems to me that Stocksy should raise their prices 100% or more.

Simple, different shoots and themes for different agencies...I'm doing that already so it won't be much of a change for me

It is not a lower royalty. Getty only pays 20% for Rf, so Offset is already paying significantly more. And 40% was only for RM in your home territory wasn´t it -  rest of the world is lower??

Plus in a brand new and extremly small collection your chances to be seen and your files to be sold are excellent. Much better than drowning in a sea of millions...where wholly owned content and favoured contributors professionals come up first...

Also, if you want to compare royalties, you need to look at the same license. The RM market is "completly different" as our longtime swedish member keeps pointing out. And he has been doing it since 92! So he knows all about it

stocksy pays out 50%, plus 100% of extended licenses, plus shares profits with artists. So even at a lower price point to the customer the results for the artist are very good.

Quote from: cobalt on September 25, 2013, 23:59
It is not a lower royalty. Getty only pays 20% for Rf, so Offset is already paying significantly more. And 40% was only for RM in your home territory wasn´t it -  rest of the world is lower??

Plus in a brand new and extremly small collection your chances to be seen and your files to be sold are excellent. Much better than drowning in a sea of millions...where wholly owned content and favoured contributors professionals come up first...

Also, if you want to compare royalties, you need to look at the same license. The RM market is "completly different" as our longtime swedish member keeps pointing out. And he has been doing it since 92! So he knows all about it

stocksy pays out 50%, plus 100% of extended licenses, plus shares profits with artists. So even at a lower price point to the customer the results for the artist are very good.

I wasn't comparing Stocksy to Getty RM I was comparing Offset to both of them.  Shutterstock has said that they want to take sales from Getty RM, that's why I'm comparing those two.   What SS said (it looks like that part is attributed to a SS spokesman) is that "Offset seeks to upend that entirely, as the first set of high-end images sold royalty-free, online, without an agent." talking about Getty RM.  They are offering what they say is more efficient revenue (lower costs for SS) and paying contributors less.

Sandra you need to check your submissions at Stocksy, they are suppose to be exclusive, you have them at DT as well

I understand that, but from a contributors perspective 30% from Offset is more than 20% from Getty. Obviously.

The rest of the announcement sounds like normal marketing speak. I would be writing that too if I was trying to attract these customers.

The other important question for the contributors is in how many cases Offset actually achieves a sales price that is close to the price listed on the website. As we all know Getty has a huge variance in what customers pay so even with RM files and nominal high prices you might still end up with 5 dollar licenses, although the list price is hundreds of dollars. This is also what makes stocksy so interesting. They are already starting off at the "real" price point many high end customers are used too after their "special" discounts.

If Offset can consistently achieve a price that is inline with what contributors expect when looking at their website, they will get a huge following of artists. The Getty House contract is not artist exclusive, so any macro contributor can apply.

Anyway, I am just an interested observer at this point. But the more options and agencies are out there, the more choices the contributors and also the customers have.

Quote from: cobalt on September 26, 2013, 00:40
The other important question for the contributors is in how many cases Offset actually achieves a sales price that is close to the price listed on the website. As we all know Getty has a huge variance in what customers pay so even with RM files and nominal high prices you might still end up with 5 dollar licenses, although the list price is hundreds of dollars. This is also what makes stocksy so interesting. They are already starting off at the "real" price point many high end customers are used too after their "special" discounts.

they also don't take the discount out of our cut. 

Quote from: luissantos84 on September 26, 2013, 00:36
Sandra you need to check your submissions at Stocksy, they are suppose to be exclusive, you have them at DT as well

Thank you Luis for noticing and being so vigilant!!

Quote from: tickstock on September 26, 2013, 00:28

Quote from: cobalt on September 25, 2013, 23:59
It is not a lower royalty. Getty only pays 20% for Rf, so Offset is already paying significantly more. And 40% was only for RM in your home territory wasn´t it -  rest of the world is lower??

Plus in a brand new and extremly small collection your chances to be seen and your files to be sold are excellent. Much better than drowning in a sea of millions...where wholly owned content and favoured contributors professionals come up first...

Also, if you want to compare royalties, you need to look at the same license. The RM market is "completly different" as our longtime swedish member keeps pointing out. And he has been doing it since 92! So he knows all about it

stocksy pays out 50%, plus 100% of extended licenses, plus shares profits with artists. So even at a lower price point to the customer the results for the artist are very good.

I wasn't comparing Stocksy to Getty RM I was comparing Offset to both of them.  Shutterstock has said that they want to take sales from Getty RM, that's why I'm comparing those two.   What SS said (it looks like that part is attributed to a SS spokesman) is that "Offset seeks to upend that entirely, as the first set of high-end images sold royalty-free, online, without an agent." talking about Getty RM.  They are offering what they say is more efficient revenue (lower costs for SS) and paying contributors less.

Do you have a link to the Getty 40%?  Wont the vast majority of people here that don't do many photos of their local area only get 20% from Getty?  20% sure seems like less than 30% to me

And I've seen numerous posts that most of the money from Getty comes from the main collection and that's almost a closed shop now.  So independents have some poor options, like having to pay $50 per image to upload to Getty

Quote from: sharpshot on September 26, 2013, 08:53

Quote from: tickstock on September 26, 2013, 00:28

Quote from: cobalt on September 25, 2013, 23:59
It is not a lower royalty. Getty only pays 20% for Rf, so Offset is already paying significantly more. And 40% was only for RM in your home territory wasn´t it -  rest of the world is lower??

Plus in a brand new and extremly small collection your chances to be seen and your files to be sold are excellent. Much better than drowning in a sea of millions...where wholly owned content and favoured contributors professionals come up first...

Also, if you want to compare royalties, you need to look at the same license. The RM market is "completly different" as our longtime swedish member keeps pointing out. And he has been doing it since 92! So he knows all about it

stocksy pays out 50%, plus 100% of extended licenses, plus shares profits with artists. So even at a lower price point to the customer the results for the artist are very good.

I wasn't comparing Stocksy to Getty RM I was comparing Offset to both of them.  Shutterstock has said that they want to take sales from Getty RM, that's why I'm comparing those two.   What SS said (it looks like that part is attributed to a SS spokesman) is that "Offset seeks to upend that entirely, as the first set of high-end images sold royalty-free, online, without an agent." talking about Getty RM.  They are offering what they say is more efficient revenue (lower costs for SS) and paying contributors less.

Do you have a link to the Getty 40%?  Wont the vast majority of people here that don't do many photos of their local area only get 20% from Getty?  20% sure seems like less than 30% to me

And I've seen numerous posts that most of the money from Getty comes from the main collection and that's almost a closed shop now.  So independents have some poor options, like having to pay $50 per image to upload to Getty

For creative RM it's 40% for home territory and 30% for others.  20% is for RF.  You don't have to pay for submitting RF.  I was comparing Offset to Getty RM because that is what Shutterstock is trying to say Offset is going up against.

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Quote from: tickstock on September 26, 2013, 00:28
They are offering what they say is more efficient revenue (lower costs for SS) and paying contributors less.

Just what we needed !

Another agency trying to be the "Walmart" of stock and paying a pittance back.

http://venturebeat.com/2013/09/24/shutterstock-launches-new-high-end-photo-service-offset/

"[Disclosure: Shutterstock provides VentureBeat with a limited number of images for free.]"
Anyone know how free images are handled and is there a list of companies that get free images?  Do they pay at subs level, not at all, set rate, or what?

It looks like Flickr to me....but i like it

I cant believe what i see.....
Look here ....specially the first line of images:
http://www.offset.com/search/kids

Even our interns would get fired if they`d make "images" like this.

and that crap was announced as the new high quality stock agency???
what a laugh...

Quote from: FritzFox on October 04, 2013, 21:54
I cant believe what i see.....
Look here ....specially the first line of images:
http://www.offset.com/search/kids

Even our interns would get fired if they`d make "images" like this.

and that crap was announced as the new high quality stock agency???
what a laugh...

There is some quality stuff on OFFSET but I have seem some really BAD images, and your example is even worse of what I have seen.

I dont know why they do that, maybe to get some sort of  feel of authenticity.

What a crop!

I would never crop like that.

Quote from: FritzFox on October 04, 2013, 21:54
I cant believe what i see.....
Look here ....specially the first line of images:
http://www.offset.com/search/kids

Even our interns would get fired if they`d make "images" like this.

and that crap was announced as the new high quality stock agency???
what a laugh...

hahahaha  maybe they should call it Offshet

 cinema verite - style

Quote from: FritzFox on October 04, 2013, 21:54
I cant believe what i see.....
Look here ....specially the first line of images:
http://www.offset.com/search/kids

Even our interns would get fired if they`d make "images" like this.

and that crap was announced as the new high quality stock agency???
what a laugh...

Wow, I thought it was going to be all national geographic type stuff, not vacation snaps.

Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on October 05, 2013, 00:15

Quote from: FritzFox on October 04, 2013, 21:54
I cant believe what i see.....
Look here ....specially the first line of images:
http://www.offset.com/search/kids

Even our interns would get fired if they`d make "images" like this.

and that crap was announced as the new high quality stock agency???
what a laugh...

Wow, I thought it was going to be all national geographic type stuff, not vacation snaps.

I agree but as I see Stocksy is not much better.
http://www.stocksy.com/search?src=home&text=kids