Quote from: RalfLiebhold on March 02, 2022, 15:50

Quote from: Firn on March 02, 2022, 15:37

Quote from: everest on March 02, 2022, 15:03

SS is falling and will fall everyday more. More and more people are not even uploading nothing to this suckers, which is good news because clients are migrating to Adobe. Bye bye SS You deserve it . Yur fall is accelerating faster than expected. Oringer is selling his shares on a daily basis y you follow the stock market and pages like stockwits. A stampede before the building crumbles.....

Their annula report tells a different story. The only thing that is falling is contributors' revenue per image. SS is doing just peachy.

Firn, like you, I'm not a Shutterstock hater.
But I also see a certain trend reversal here. My focus is on current editorial topics. If my image fits and arrives, I then had mass sales on the topic with Shutterstock and never with Adobe or other agencies. That has changed this year.

See, but that's your personal experience. My Shutterstock sale have been absolute crap for the past 3 months, it's not even worth mentioning.
Yet, I don't go around shouting that Shutterstock is going down the drain, when I can see very clearly from their official report that they are thriefing. It's just the contributor's income that keeps getting lower, but the numbers are there, clear as day: Reducing contributor's revenue was a great bussiness step for SS and the people who are porclaiming that this was the end of SS are just doing so, because they want it to be true, not because it is. They hate what SS has done to their earnings and hope that it will backfire on SS. But karma is just wishful thinking and not everyone gets what they deserve. SS is, from am bussiness perspective doing good. Doesn't mean contributors are as well.

Beleive me, I am not rooting for SS. If SS had indeed lost all its customers to Adobe, I would be really happy about that! But I am not just making  things up to fit my point of view like everest. I see their report, I see they make great profit, I see they are doing well.
I have had no noticable raise in income on Adobe for well over 1,5 years. It's falling or stagnating and always performing far worse than SS. January and February for example have been especially bad on SS (worst earnings in 1,5 years) and yet Adobe was still doing even worse for me.

As for iStock, that has basically been proclaimed as dead by everest, - it has been my best earner for months, performing really well. Adobe is not even earning me a fraction of that.

I submit the same content with the same keywords to all these agencies.

Firn, we don't disagree at all. Of course, this is my very personal experience over a very short period of time from which you can not draw general conclusions. Possibly, these are also just the usual fluctuations. Also, I can't imagine any reason why customers should flee from Shutterstock to Adobe en masse.

Perhaps it is simply because Adobe is attracting more and different customers due to the growing editorial share - completely independent of Shutterstock. I don�t know.

That you had good months with Istock might mean something or nothing at all. Depends on if you sell dozens o thousands of images every 30 days. I sell over 1000 images per month at Istock and just a few weeks ago I made a 15000$ market freeze sale. Does it mean iStock is doing good. No, not at all. They are slowly sinking for different reasons. Debt that is dragging them down is a big issue and that is the reason that they have to go public again so investors can pump in money that they don't have now for their expansion plans. Let's see how this pans out.

Adobe on the other side is a huge player. Their stock value is 222 billion. Shutterstock Mkt is only 3.2billion. So who do you think is going to be the last man standing in just a couple of years. We surely will find out. I made my bet. It will be surely be interesting. I for once hope that SS sinks . They surely deserve it   

What is Getty stock value?

It is a sale where a specific image is taken down of their site. You also have to take it down from any site you have for a period of time. In my case 2 years. You get 20% of the sale if you have that image exclusive to Getty. After those years the image gets reinstated. You also cannot have similars available.
Getty has lots of experience and a very strong customer base. They know how to get out money from clients and contributors. I wish Adobe and other sites had this programs as they can be quite lucrative.
Getty has also a growing customer content program. I have never participated but there are people that are quite engaged with those too.
I think that's the reason they still exist They are always pushing the envelope. Others lag behind in that department.

What is a market freeze sale and how can I get one of those!!!

$75000 is an enormous price for the exclusive use of a single image for only two years. 

You are the one that is delusional. The same thing happened to Getty/Istock they were the absolute leaders in selling stock when SS was just I tiny blob in the radar. They have fallen to 3 position...

Please tell me you're not basing the financial performance of stock companies on a monthly poll, on a forum (that while containing about 50,000 members, probably less than 10% are active) that some people fill in, some people never fill in and some people fill in intermittently?

No the sale was 15000$ for me 3000$

I have never has a 75000 sale anywhere. For me the biggest sale of all time was 23000$ also in Getty when RM still existed and I got 40% of that.Ahhhh the good old days 

Quote from: Wilm on March 04, 2022, 02:50

$75000 is an enormous price for the exclusive use of a single image for only two years. 

Okay, sorry, I had misinterpreted that.

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on March 04, 2022, 02:55

Quote from: everest on March 03, 2022, 01:33

You are the one that is delusional. The same thing happened to Getty/Istock they were the absolute leaders in selling stock when SS was just I tiny blob in the radar. They have fallen to 3 position...

Please tell me you're not basing the financial performance of stock companies on a monthly poll, on a forum (that while containing about 50,000 members, probably less than 10% are active) that some people fill in, some people never fill in and some people fill in intermittently?

Perhaps the survey results are not entirely accurate because too few contributors are participating. And because no one can say for sure whether all contributors enter correct numbers there.

But: In the past shutterstock was always on position 1. Now AS is on position 1. I assume that at least this position swap is correct and realistic.

It applies to me anyway. For years shutterstock was ahead, now it is AS. And that's not because AS has improved so much, but because shutterstock has deteriorated so much.

The screenshot shows the problem in direct comparison. There are too few large SODs coming in at shutterstock. And they are just not enough to take in what is coming in at AS. I have more downloads at shutterstock than at AS, but they don't bring in anything.

� 3,30 vs. � 21,90 for the last 20 sales.

I'm having the same experience Wilm. Amount of sales at Shutterstock is fine for this time of the year for my portfolio, but SOD's are lacking and the vast majority are cheap subscription sales in the 10-20 $cent range, making my RPD plummet to an all time low at Shutterstock. That brings Adobe and iStock on top of the table with Wirestock (I contribute to Adobe Editorial and Alamy over them) on number three. Never expected iStock to be in that position, and certainly not at 15% commission rates. Yet there they are for three months in a row best or second best earner. We don't have the sales report from February yet, but my amount of sales in February on iStock looks promising. The growth at iStock and Adobe compensates for the shrinking Shutterstock earnings.

They have dropped for me like 60% compared to how it was a few months ago. I mean it wasnt like I swimming in success or anything but definitly feel that images that sold all the time suddenly stopped selling. While others have gained traction.

Anyways they reject half of everything so I guess theres hardly any new content for clients. I uploaded about 1000 images and around 300 videos and guess how many got accepted? around 300 photos and les than 10 videos.

Compare to Adobe stock they accepted around more than 500 photos and about 100 videos.

SSTK are in a real rejecting mood now. it was about one half rejected before then this week I had 14 out of 15 photos rejected & ere all accepted on DT, alamy & adobe.

Quote from: Camillo on February 23, 2022, 11:06

They have dropped for me like 60% compared to how it was a few months ago.

You should not compare your February sales with sales from a few months ago. Sale numbers are very different in different months, depending on what your port has to offer. February tends to be a rather slow month for most contributors comapred to other months.

Quote from: Camillo on February 23, 2022, 11:06

 I uploaded about 1000 images and around 300 videos and guess how many got accepted? around 300 photos and les than 10 videos.

Compare to Adobe stock they accepted around more than 500 photos and about 100 videos.

If you have a rejection rate of 90% on Shutterstock and 50% at Adobe you should really re-think your strategy, because there is something seriously wrong with your content. It's not Shutterstock, it's your photos.
A rejection rate of less than 5% on both SS and Adobe would be normal. With everything more than 10% I'd really re-evaluate the quality of the content I submit.

I just had 17 out of my last 18 photos rejected for noise / focus 1 for trademark yet they are downsized & have no noise & are sharp at 100%.Haven't had this rejection rate before.  I process from RAW & save to JPEG. Same photos were accepted on DT Alamy & even Abobe so something has definately changed at SSTK recently but the never say what. I even contacted support but no joy. I'm giving up on them they aren't worth the hassle.
I wouldn't care if I got enough sales on other sites but I only had two DLs on adobe this year vs 25 DLs on sstk & none on DT since Dec 2021 when I had 2 in one day. Alamy not a sale since July last year.

Sales are slow for me on SS but I am more shocked about Alamy. I haven't had a sale there for a very long time. It's as if they deleted all my photos. I don't seem to exist there any longer. I used to have sales on Alamy.

I don't think it is. (this position swap is correct and realistic.)  I have no way to confirm it either way as nobody knows exactly how the poll is calculated...

Leaf does? 

The poll is a poll of people who enter, if they choose to enter data and they put down whatever numbers they might think are true or not. If someone left SS, as one example, they might still put $0 down every month, even though we're supposed to report only agencies we submit to. Someone who's making $200 a month on SS might not like the 10c downloads and decides to put in $0 every month.

Someone who likes a different agency where they make $5 a month and enter $100 a month, to make it look better. Or an agency could have shills adding high ratings if they want to attract more artists.

Any of that is possible, but doies anyone really care enough to skew the poll, month after month?

The poll is just a poll and as I've said before is just a reflection of the relative ratings, according to those who choose to answer the questions.

No, every agency in the world can't be listed and I know you know this, but before anything displays in numbers 50 people have to enter data for that agency. Your magic site that makes more than the ones we know, wouldn't get 50 votes. 

However anyone looking at the poll on the right should be aware, they are still listed in order of Earnings Rating even if they don't have 50 entries. So there is some relative and useful information that artists are sharing with each other. Not scientific, not without errors and not certified authentic, but still that can be useful?

BigStock 23 people responded and the average is 2.4 rating, Getty 5 votes for 145, which is, WOW!

Sure SS is doing fine as a company. Much of that because they are screwing us. The poll has nothing to do with how well Getty, SS Adobe or the others are doing as a business.

Quote from: everest on March 03, 2022, 15:07

That you had good months with Istock might mean something or nothing at all. Depends on if you sell dozens o thousands of images every 30 days. I sell over 1000 images per month at Istock and just a few weeks ago I made a 15000$ market freeze sale. Does it mean iStock is doing good. No, not at all. They are slowly sinking for different reasons. Debt that is dragging them down is a big issue and that is the reason that they have to go public again so investors can pump in money that they don't have now for their expansion plans. Let's see how this pans out.
Adobe on the other side is a huge player. Their stock value is 222 billion. Shutterstock Mkt is only 3.2billion. So who do you think is going to be the last man standing in just a couple of years. We surely will find out. I made my bet. It will be surely be interesting. I for once hope that SS sinks . They surely deserve it   

Can someone sell more on istock than SSTK for the same images?

Maybe I don't understand your question exactly. But for me, I have 778 images online at istock and 1312 at shutterstock. In relation to the portfolio size, the download quantities and the revenues are a little higher than at shutterstock.

The things that made SS great (in the good ole days) were volume and the occasional big SOD and/or EL. Starting 2022 it seems to me that all these factors have gone. For me the volume has dropped off a cliff and any days when there is a little volume it's all ten and teen cents when it used to be 38 cents. Haven't had a decent SOD or EL so far this year and only made payout in Feb because the sales were cumulative from Jan when I didn't make minimum payout.

On AS, I get less sales in numbers but for the majority of sales the minimum amount is $0.35 and I have many for $1.00 for which I need 8-10 sales at SS to make the same money.

Yes, the 10 centers are demotivating. The scary part is how will the ratio of SOD/EL sales to "10 centers" change? I wonder if the ratio of "SOD/EL"s to "10 centers" is as crucial to SS success as it is to contributors success.