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« Reply #325 on: July 08, 2014, 13:12 »
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Ok they raised their standards, my pictures are not good anymore for them. I had a very decent approval rate two months ago with the same quality of images, but whatever. I would be fine with it, but they accept so many similar trash that it's at least intriguing.

If they want to raise technical standards, then they should raise composition standards as well. People complain how IS went on reviews, but this is not different or it's even worse as all this effort doesn't even accomplish the goal which is to have a good looking collection.


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« Reply #326 on: July 08, 2014, 15:26 »
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I am not uploading very much... but I get in everything that I think is good enough to get in.
I check Lighting, sharpness, noise and composition on every image and if it is acceptable, I submit.

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« Reply #327 on: July 09, 2014, 01:43 »
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Absolutely ridiculous rejections. Focus and or fringing yet they are sharp. I also de-fringed in Lightroom so I don't know what they are playing at. All my footage gets accepted.

« Reply #328 on: July 09, 2014, 02:26 »
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finally they raised standards!! i'm kinda happy about that
i'm getting kicked too but it's ok...maybe noise or defocus is very little and we don't see it nor bother it

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« Reply #329 on: July 09, 2014, 02:28 »
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I think I am experienced enough to know if something is in focus or not. IS did this some time ago and now they accept everything.

« Reply #330 on: July 09, 2014, 05:39 »
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When somebody says I just got 200 files accepted, you have to ask.....

1. Are they lying?
2. If not is that 200 accepted images out of 1000 submitted?

Valo

« Reply #331 on: July 09, 2014, 06:21 »
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When somebody says I just got 200 files accepted, you have to ask.....

1. Are they lying?
2. If not is that 200 accepted images out of 1000 submitted?
Just some extra information; Mike's friend Jeff posted on SS that 33% of his images from the same shoot have been rejected. The model in Mike's images is Jeff, and vice verse. All their images are from the same shoot.

 I'll let the good people of this forum make their own conclusions.

« Reply #332 on: July 09, 2014, 06:53 »
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If they want to raise technical standards, then they should raise composition standards as well. People complain how IS went on reviews, but this is not different or it's even worse as all this effort doesn't even accomplish the goal which is to have a good looking collection.

Do you REALLY want reviewers who (i) can't even colour profile their own screen or judge exposure consistently who (ii) get paid fractions of a cent per image now responsible for making the 100% subjective "composition" decision as well?  In other words, someone paid near nothing who can't judge more black and white criteria is now also deciding whether they like your image enough to approve or not.  I can see that causing much much worse chaos as its the personal preference and a whim of an individual you don't know who might have zero experience in your particular photo area.

« Reply #333 on: July 09, 2014, 07:35 »
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If that's too much to ask, at least they should hold off similars like DT does.
The way SS is doing just makes their collection even more redundant than it already is.

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #334 on: July 09, 2014, 08:37 »
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Some months ago I was one of those lamenting all the time about rejections.

Since this time I have changed some little things:
1) I have change my mind and my approach to stock photos
2) I have bought a better camera
3) I have bought good prime lenses
4) I came less on forums to complain and complain directly to [email protected]

The points 1 to 3 have led to produce better stock images. And maybe it tells me that the Shutterstock standards are growing.
The point 4 gave me the possibility to explain my point of view, and to get the point of view from the inspector with eventually some advice.

Finally:
> I get all the Images that I consider to be acceptable accepted
> I get the images that I consider borderline sometime accepted, sometime rejected, sometime accepted after some little adjustments based on the inspectors advices.
> I get the images lets try, who knows rejected because they deserve to be rejected.

But it can happen that for incomprehensible reasons some acceptable images are rejected. In this situation I dont even contact [email protected] or put a note to the inspector, I just resubmit the image as it is, and it is generally accepted.

So, before to always give the fault to the inspectors, what I did before, I think that it is better to try to be more objective about the own work, and maybe wait some days before to submit the images because with a little more reflection it is always possible to change the own vision.

« Reply #335 on: July 09, 2014, 20:32 »
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If that's too much to ask, at least they should hold off similars like DT does.
The way SS is doing just makes their collection even more redundant than it already is.

Completely agree, you only have to search a few large ports by keyword, to see just how redundant the collection has become.

As for review consistency you only have to look at the new images approved, to see that the review process is badly out of whack and has been for a very long time.

« Last Edit: July 09, 2014, 20:34 by gbalex »

« Reply #336 on: July 09, 2014, 22:09 »
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Notwithstanding his gloating, Mike's post points out that not everyone is seeing large numbers of rejections. His experience is a counter example to any claim that reviews are out of control.  As is mine; the vast majority of my recent submissions have been accepted. And even those few rejections are arguable; I can see why the reviewer pushed back, even if I think they're on the proper side of the quality line. 

I think it's worth looking closely at those rejected images to see what the reviewer saw.  Certainly more productive than assuming it's all a plot or gross incompetence.

My own rejections have not gone up, however when you make the mistake of confusing your own experience with the experience of other contributors. You run the risk of missing a great deal.

I have friends who shoot very high end images that are experiencing a much higher rejection rate than my own and that inconsistency in reviews needs to be addressed.

« Reply #337 on: July 10, 2014, 05:36 »
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Notwithstanding his gloating, Mike's post points out that not everyone is seeing large numbers of rejections. His experience is a counter example to any claim that reviews are out of control.  As is mine; the vast majority of my recent submissions have been accepted. And even those few rejections are arguable; I can see why the reviewer pushed back, even if I think they're on the proper side of the quality line. 

I think it's worth looking closely at those rejected images to see what the reviewer saw.  Certainly more productive than assuming it's all a plot or gross incompetence.

My own rejections have not gone up, however when you make the mistake of confusing your own experience with the experience of other contributors. You run the risk of missing a great deal.

I have friends who shoot very high end images that are experiencing a much higher rejection rate than my own and that inconsistency in reviews needs to be addressed.

I just got 200 accepted just this week. Oh, did I tell you I submitted 2000? :'( this is generally the missing datapoint and an important one. I didn't really submit anything, just used that to illustrate the second half of the equation that isn't always posted here. By the way I got five of my last six accepted. :)

« Reply #338 on: July 10, 2014, 09:09 »
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ok guys you're completely right and i said a crap before...just got rejection of 30 images...

I've look my images at 100% and yes they have some artifacts, but, nothing so dramatic that my older images do not had, in future i will pay more attention
« Last Edit: July 10, 2014, 10:00 by mojaric »

« Reply #339 on: July 10, 2014, 09:16 »
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its not even worth tell you all about my acceptance rate
A really smart person once told me "Why would you help your competition?"
You are all my competition (ok well a few of you)
Gloat about my sales and acceptance rate?
I was only trying to be motivating but human nature being what it is you all read it as Gloating and Bragging when I was actually trying to help

That being said
Good Luck to all

:)


Valo

« Reply #340 on: July 10, 2014, 09:30 »
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If your audience perceives your comments as gloating, but you meant them to be motivating, then there clearly is a disconnect between you and your audience. You might want to take that valuable feedback and consider changing your style of communication, so that what you mean to bring across, is perceived as such by the receiver. Those values should be the basics of communication.

« Reply #341 on: July 10, 2014, 09:49 »
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I just had some rejections and my first reaction was what. When I took a close look at the images the photos were indeed a tad unsharp (not sure why but suspecting the lens). I have to say the inspectors were dead right with the exception of one image that was rejected on bad composition.


« Reply #342 on: July 10, 2014, 15:07 »
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I trust people are pushing back through the correct channels - as I have just done for a couple of silly focus rejections.

Until the chap who manages [email protected] is brought before the inner circle and explains his failure to hit query resolution targets is due to rocketing rejection disputes - nothing will change.



« Reply #343 on: July 11, 2014, 00:27 »
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Until the chap who manages [email protected] is brought before the inner circle and explains his failure to hit query resolution targets is due to rocketing rejection disputes - nothing will change.

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« Reply #344 on: July 11, 2014, 02:47 »
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it's pretty hard to get a rejection on shutter if you upload stockworthy stuff.

ultimagina

« Reply #345 on: July 11, 2014, 07:26 »
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What rejections? I just submitted 4 photos made 9 years ago with the dsrl ancestor canon 300d and the first generation kit lens. All approved, 3 sales yesterday.
What else would someone expect? When light is good, noise and focus OK, images go through. It's as simple as this, really!


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« Reply #346 on: July 11, 2014, 08:03 »
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Yesterday 6 from 6 accepted... Looks like it depends on reviewer. Must say for my rejected images that somehow deep in my mind I expected them to be rejected.

The only problem is that they are usually rejected with totally wrong reason. I think they just fill that the image is not good enough for their collection and just put any reason for it. The image can be perfectly in focus and with perfect composition and light and still something is missing.

Maybe they also know that something is wrong with the image but can not describe it :) And therefore give some arbitrary reason... But I would be perfectly fine if there is a reason like - image does not suit to our collection or something similar.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2014, 08:05 by samards »

Valo

« Reply #347 on: July 11, 2014, 09:04 »
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But I would be perfectly fine if there is a reason like - image does not suit to our collection or something similar.

That reason would be even more frustrating than anything else, for me at least. Fotolia use that reason for rejection, and it never seems to be consistent. I can't make anything of that, and submitting to Fotolia therefor is like a crap shoot. Fotolia is the only agency for me where I submit and forget. Shutterstock is the only agency I know will accept everything as long as it is technically in order (bar the inconsistencies discussed in this very thread).

Shelma1

« Reply #348 on: July 11, 2014, 09:41 »
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I feel for you guys. Photo inspectors are much more likely to reject my illustrations, even though they're just jpgs of my eps files. The identical Eps sails through. Jpgs not worth the time to resubmit, since they don't sell as well.

« Reply #349 on: July 12, 2014, 14:53 »
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really i am sick and tired of the ss reviewers...today refused everything..reupload accepted...then again and again..when shutterstock will pay some real reviewers and not some mindless people who sell potatoes at the corner at the street as their real job. really i am sick of reupload again and again. i thought at least ss have bigger respect to the contributors.


 

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