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« Reply #450 on: March 12, 2015, 07:49 »
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Maybe Shutterstock reviewers will get more reject $$$?


Beppe Grillo

« Reply #451 on: March 12, 2015, 08:07 »
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The long fortunate series has ended today!
After a long long period without rejection I have finally got 25 images, (four different situations) all rejected for "Focus". Obviously the images are all in focus. Some are so sharp that you can count any single hair of the model and see the pores of her leather jacket
Maybe they have problem with selective focus (the background is blurred)?
I have already mailed to [email protected] to lament.

Resubmitted
only one rejected for composition and WB > Cropped 2 pixels around, gave +3 or color balance in Lightroom [!!] > accepted :D :D

I think that they just want to play with us little rascals

« Reply #452 on: March 12, 2015, 08:59 »
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Today 100% rejected of 25 images. *, I must start from beginning.. about 30 years..

Semmick Photo

« Reply #453 on: March 12, 2015, 10:01 »
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The long fortunate series has ended today!
After a long long period without rejection I have finally got 25 images, (four different situations) all rejected for "Focus". Obviously the images are all in focus. Some are so sharp that you can count any single hair of the model and see the pores of her leather jacket
Maybe they have problem with selective focus (the background is blurred)?
I have already mailed to [email protected] to lament.

Resubmitted
only one rejected for composition and WB > Cropped 2 pixels around, gave +3 or color balance in Lightroom [!!] > accepted :D :D

I think that they just want to play with us little rascals

My latest batch 95% approved. So I have submitted about 5 batches of 40 images to SS. It goes like this.

95% approved
98% rejected
95% approved
98% rejected
95% approved

Honestly, ist just improbable that my images are good bad good bad good bad in batches. The images were shot over a two week period, and edited all in the same way. Its like I take photographs in batches, where one the one batch I know what I am doing, and the next one I have no clue.   

Rinderart

« Reply #454 on: March 12, 2015, 11:53 »
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In all my time ron. never seen anything Like this. The inconsistency is off the chart.

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #455 on: March 12, 2015, 12:07 »
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All this is absolutely inadmissible.
We are human, not beasts!

If there is a way to write a collective letter (email) to the Shutterstock management I am ready to sign it
(Is there a way to do that?)

« Reply #456 on: March 12, 2015, 12:56 »
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Multiple bs rejections. Overly defensive and useless responses from support. Resubmitted without changes to 100% acceptance. Multiple sales on many of those images within days.

I don't understand why they have such a blatant lack of respect for our time and effort, and why they refuse to acknowledge the obvious problems within their review staff. It just makes the whole company appear lazy and unprofessional. A representative acknowledging they have issues with some bad seeds and are in the process of addressing it would go a long way to maintaining some respectability.

« Reply #457 on: March 12, 2015, 13:01 »
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In all my time ron. never seen anything Like this. The inconsistency is off the chart.

I've seen this for  at least the last 6 months, but lately it's even worse -- and the reviews seem abnormally fast -- up to a hundred images all rejected w 3 or more 'reasons'  -- anything not shot in a studio gets bounced for poor lighting.  one idea is that they're looking at histograms rather than the actual image, since an 'auto tone' or 'autocolor' often gets the batch accepted

« Reply #458 on: March 12, 2015, 13:27 »
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Last week U have 12 images uploaded and 100% rejected. Landscapes shooten with wide angle f/8 - f/10 so the focus is sharp in all areas. Rejection reason out of focus. I have controlled all pictures with 200% zoom.  >:( I see this often, when I upload pictures on weekend. Maybe the automatic algorithm is working on weekend.  ;D What is your experiance when you upload rejected Images again? Ive never tried.

Semmick Photo

« Reply #459 on: March 12, 2015, 13:42 »
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In all my time ron. never seen anything Like this. The inconsistency is off the chart.

I've seen this for  at least the last 6 months, but lately it's even worse -- and the reviews seem abnormally fast -- up to a hundred images all rejected w 3 or more 'reasons'  -- anything not shot in a studio gets bounced for poor lighting.  one idea is that they're looking at histograms rather than the actual image, since an 'auto tone' or 'autocolor' often gets the batch accepted

Sorry to hear that, but lucky to know its not me then.

Multiple ... rejections. ...defensive and ... responses from support. ...
....

Thats really what I dont get, that support is backing the blatantly incorrect reviews.

« Reply #460 on: March 12, 2015, 13:43 »
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Last week U have 12 images uploaded and 100% rejected. Landscapes shooten with wide angle f/8 - f/10 so the focus is sharp in all areas. Rejection reason out of focus. I have controlled all pictures with 200% zoom.  >:( I see this often, when I upload pictures on weekend. Maybe the automatic algorithm is working on weekend.  ;D What is your experiance when you upload rejected Images again? Ive never tried.

I used to have a folder called "shutterstock rejections" that I'd build up over a month or so, then submit as a batch. Would get about the same acceptance rate as any other batch, around 80% and up. Once I got cocky and immediately resubmitted the few rejects from one of those batches, and quickly received a nasty little message warning against the practice. Now I'm much more selective. If their rejection reason is anywhere near the realms of possibility, I let it go. Their loss.

ultimagina

« Reply #461 on: March 12, 2015, 15:52 »
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1. Rejected for noise.
2. Complained at [email protected] since I can't see noise.
3. Answer said "no noise" indeed, but the reviewer is right since the image is soft with too much noise reduction(!)
4. re-submitted the original photo without any modifications
5. Image accepted
6. Image sells a lot :)

Average (too noisy, too soft) = image OK ;)
« Last Edit: March 12, 2015, 15:57 by ultimagaina »

Semmick Photo

« Reply #462 on: March 12, 2015, 16:41 »
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But why are admins defending reviewers? Why not just stick to the facts? Fair treatment.

« Reply #463 on: March 12, 2015, 17:26 »
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I also had the same problem today with over 25 images rejected. Reasons- not focused, noise.  I doubled checked each one and these issues were not there.  I can't quite understand why so many rejections are happening now.  I have been doing this a long time and I know what makes a good marketable stock picture.  Mr. Rohn Engh (Late) was my mentor and friend for 30 years and he taught me.

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« Reply #464 on: March 12, 2015, 18:18 »
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Yep everything 100% complete BS OOF my ass!

Sent SS a big letter and told them they may want to look at this thread and gave them the link to it.Also questioned us being used as guinea pigs for some software or hardware program they may be trying out and told them to trash it and then some.

Rinderart

« Reply #465 on: March 12, 2015, 20:22 »
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Lots of bickering and personal posts on this thread, Like MSG is known for but, I think there gonna laugh.I would... I would Simply Like REAL reasons for a rejection Not 3 Like "Pick One" they should have one for "Not needed at this time" or "to many on site" instead of reasons that are Plain wrong and do not relate to the Image. Confusing or just silly. And...For what we get paid resubmitting is a waste of time, Some other person Likes it, Or some other person Picks 3 different reasons.

If they do answer here, Your gonna get the standard Pat answer...ie reviewing is a human thing and theres going to be Mistakes, or reviewing is a subjective process ETC,ETC... Well it seems other sites don't have these problems 90% of the time. The issues are things Like "Needs a model Release" when there are no People in the Image or a pic of a rock. There are a ton Of issues like this Not found on other sites. And, The Inconsistency factor kills Motivation as in what?. I submitted 7 a few weeks ago. rejected for focus. I normally don't downsize, But, I said what . and took 36MP down to 6 or so. resubmitted and rejected for WB and Lighting.One was accepted.

Thats the issue. And i can't see Not having Issues if they have as said 200+ reviewiers around the Planet. Monitor issues, Working on Laptops,Language problems and so forth. There is NO WAY they can Monitor that and what equipment everyone has...With what a questionnaire, I doubt they send someone to someones house to look . And yes..We know it can be a low paying Boring Job and Im sure turnover is high.

We also know, Or should know that not every Image rejection is bad, Nor is every Image good enough. I spent 10 years on the critique forum and trust me. A whole lot of people Just don't see the real Issues and should have been rejected But..... I/WE are seeing Posts for the first time from seasoned vets who know the difference and sure, we all take our work personally and try our best But as I said we can make mistakes also. I certainly Have and if your honest you guys have also. It's the other stuff that gets us. Most of all the rejections for completely wrong reasons and If SS thinks we Like writing Submit about them is fun?? Think again.

Now we get----- "You can resubmit, but that does not guarantee another reviewer will accept it "  Whos in charge?? the reviewers? if so, Thats a huge Mistake on there part IMHO.. Reviewers, I've always said have the #1 most Important Job on any site, They are the gate keepers and the last Hudle.

By Far in my 10 years. rejection threads have always been the #1 threads. This...... Is different. Very different than anything I've seen.

« Reply #466 on: March 12, 2015, 21:09 »
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i think we have to face facts.
1) we are all getting older, and we are all getting blind, so our focus is not all there anymore  ;D ;D ;D
2) we may be competing with the reviewers so obviously the phone photos will not get rejected infocus or out , because they are no threat to the reviewers portfolio
3) we have been earning too much, and we are complaining too much , and this is not making ss happy... so it is time to blacklist all of us and make sure we get fedup and quit.
all to the joy of the reviewers with conflict of interest issue.
4) look at the right hand column... 94.9 % ss is not suffering at all. only certain contributors are suffering with less earnings. but the sales are still there. out of focus, poor composition, wrong wb
no matter, the clients will still slurp it up because it is ss .
or the reviewers portfolio is taking up the bigger piece of the pie.

so really, as rinderart says, different these days???  who really give a hoot what we think???
we can all quit tomorrow and ss will still be in the 90s and still gain top ranking on right column.


ruxpriencdiam

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« Reply #467 on: March 12, 2015, 21:46 »
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If there is a way to write a collective letter (email) to the Shutterstock management I am ready to sign it
(Is there a way to do that?)
Sure there is.

You draft up a letter in word then sign at the bottom, it would need to be posted on a blog available for all to sign and then once completed then it could be sent to SS with all of the signatures.

Rinderart

« Reply #468 on: March 13, 2015, 00:49 »
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i think we have to face facts.
1) we are all getting older, and we are all getting blind, so our focus is not all there anymore  ;D ;D ;D
2) we may be competing with the reviewers so obviously the phone photos will not get rejected infocus or out , because they are no threat to the reviewers portfolio
3) we have been earning too much, and we are complaining too much , and this is not making ss happy... so it is time to blacklist all of us and make sure we get fedup and quit.
all to the joy of the reviewers with conflict of interest issue.
4) look at the right hand column... 94.9 % ss is not suffering at all. only certain contributors are suffering with less earnings. but the sales are still there. out of focus, poor composition, wrong wb
no matter, the clients will still slurp it up because it is ss .
or the reviewers portfolio is taking up the bigger piece of the pie.

so really, as rinderart says, different these days???  who really give a hoot what we think???
we can all quit tomorrow and ss will still be in the 90s and still gain top ranking on right column.

Your probably right. Expressing our feelings on a forum has no Value whatsoever for change. I fear we as a whole are the VAST,VAST Minority of SS contributors and our voices and concerns mean absolutely nothing except to us. it's good to vent But, Might as well do it in front of a mirror. we gave the farm away many, Many years ago guys. because we got comfortable and Complacent. And we let it happen Those that joined after 2010 have no clue what Im saying But, It's true.

Im tired of it all,Im tired of being tired and Im super tired of whining and negative stuff. I just wanna do good work and feel good about it . I'll Find a way to Monetize it myself.  It truly was inspiring to witness first hand what Jon has accomplished from a guy that used to call me asking for advice about a camera. But........I wanna feel Inspired also. And Im Not.

Last Post from me about SS. Sadly, I just don't care anymore. I'll do my thing and thats it.  My days of trying to bang down doors is past. 50,100.300.500 signatures is a grain of sand now guys. Just Like your 50 Rejected Images. A grain of sand on a Very Long Beach.And a little tini voice in the distance.

Although, I will guarantee you that I strongly feel a change is coming . God knows we need it.

be well.

dpimborough

« Reply #469 on: March 13, 2015, 02:41 »
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And yet...

SS reviewers still find it in them to accept

1. Ridiculous compositions
2. Really awful lighting set ups (over cooked flash is a favourite)
3. Underlit shots where the image is clearly under exposed.
4. Keyword spam to the point where it makes a joke of image searches.
5. Shed loads of similars
6. Really poor set ups full of dust, crumbs, lint etc.
7. Overcooked colours

And SS say they employ "professional" reviewers? Don't make me laugh these people are amateurs who wouldn't know one end of a lens from another.

They have ridiculous expectations applying their lack of knowledge to reviewing which results in junk being accepted and genuinely good photos being rejected.

It's trial by Flickerites  ::)

MxR

« Reply #470 on: March 13, 2015, 04:45 »
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I demand an official response.
 shutter stock are teasing me and disrespecting me this.
 10/10 shots taken at ISO 100 with 3 flashes and 6 models rejected by noise with a full frame Nikon 610

im tired and sad... 

« Reply #471 on: March 13, 2015, 04:50 »
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Wait, is it an even or odd day on the calendar? are we complaining that there are too many images being accepted today or that reviewers are being too harsh? I will comment as soon as someone lets me know.

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #472 on: March 13, 2015, 05:25 »
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I demand an official response.
 shutter stock are teasing me and disrespecting me this.
 10/10 shots taken at ISO 100 with 3 flashes and 6 models rejected by noise with a full frame Nikon 610

im tired and sad...

Noise @100iso with a D610??
Are your images 10 stops underexposed?  :o

« Reply #473 on: March 13, 2015, 05:41 »
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Noise @100iso with a D610??
It doesn't mean a much, even PhaseOne IQ140 ISO50 can be too NOISY!.. lol..

Beppe Grillo

« Reply #474 on: March 13, 2015, 05:56 »
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Noise @100iso with a D610??
It doesn't mean a much, even PhaseOne IQ140 ISO50 can be too NOISY!.. lol..

More than 120 dB?


 

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