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« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2020, 09:14 »
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Anyone 0,34$ video sales? (clip pack, no location, sold today)  ;D


Noedelhap

  • www.colincramm.com

« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2020, 10:09 »
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If you go exclusive, they get your files back onto Adobe and onto Vimeo stock. You get 60% of revenue.

If you go exclusive on Pond5, you shouldn't get your files back onto Adobe...or what do you mean? Am I misreading this?

« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2020, 10:38 »
+2
If you go exclusive, they get your files back onto Adobe and onto Vimeo stock. You get 60% of revenue.

If you go exclusive on Pond5, you shouldn't get your files back onto Adobe...or what do you mean? Am I misreading this?

Pond5 has a Global Partner Program in which the exclusives are included. Adobe is one of those partners. Pond5 content sold through those partners gets paid out to contributors quarterly.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2020, 10:46 by Daryl Ray »

« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2020, 11:49 »
+2
sold 64 videos yesterday for 84 cents each under 'clip packs'
I am not sure if I am doing good or you are doing bad.
I sold at same day only one video for $70
Maybe I just have respect to my self ...

« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2020, 14:22 »
+2

Maybe I just have respect to my self ...

No sweetheart. If you work with the SS you're an amateur. Pure and simple.

« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2020, 09:31 »
+7
Everyone is in the same boat. Nobody can do without the money, but Shutterstock is pulling the whole industry down. It's imperative, especially for video, that we get our files onto Pond5 and off SS.

Pond5 is a major player in video licensing. If you go exclusive, they get your files back onto Adobe and onto Vimeo stock. You get 60% of revenue. If you do the maths, you realise that you don't lose much from an Adobe perspective. It's earnings comparable.

Quite simply no its not.  P5 does not sell as much full stop.

Most of us ALREADY have our all files on P5 and have done for many years.  non exclusive we get 40% not 60% but that in no way makes up for the low sales.
You don't have to believe me, look at the monthly survey graph on this very site - P5 is one of those tiny lines right down the bottom amongst such giants as DT and 123RF in terms of earnings.
The P5 forum isnt exactly full of people praising how well sales have taken off and how well exclusive is doing for them either.

If a site by volume sells only about 10% per month vs another site than a 60 to 40% difference in commission is negligible and makes almost zero difference to the final totals.

The maths for me (and looking at the graphs, others) is very simply.  Pulling videos off SS and AS to go P5 only will lose us many hundreds of dollars per month in lost revenue.  Thats the brutal reality here.

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So you're telling me it's much better to keep supporting SS and kill the whole industry because other agencies will have to follow, make a few hundred bucks the next couple of months until it gets

Im not convinced you reside in the real world.  You havent explained how if, having guaranteed $0.00 income from Shutterstock you're supposed to buy anything with that?  Are there landlords im unaware of that accept principle in lieu of rent money?  Do supermarkets have an option to pay with good will instead of money?

If you pull a portfolio you are guaranteeing an in come of 0.  Nothing.  No money.  No payout. Nothing goes into the bank.

If you're also deluded enough to think SS will care (or even notice) an absolutely miniscule number of contributors pulling an utterly insignificant amount of media off the site then by all means go ahead.  The problem is you think you matter or are somehow important to them.  You're not.  None of us are.  You can do all you want but it isnt going to change their policy which has been costed, planned and modelled.
So its your choice whether you want to accept a guarantee of no money and buy food with it or settle for a not-ideal but some money instead.
But to think anything will change due to actions is utterly deluded.


« Last Edit: July 01, 2020, 09:36 by gnirtS »

Snow

« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2020, 11:17 »
+2
Everyone is in the same boat. Nobody can do without the money, but Shutterstock is pulling the whole industry down. It's imperative, especially for video, that we get our files onto Pond5 and off SS.

Pond5 is a major player in video licensing. If you go exclusive, they get your files back onto Adobe and onto Vimeo stock. You get 60% of revenue. If you do the maths, you realise that you don't lose much from an Adobe perspective. It's earnings comparable.

Quite simply no its not.  P5 does not sell as much full stop.

Most of us ALREADY have our all files on P5 and have done for many years.  non exclusive we get 40% not 60% but that in no way makes up for the low sales.
You don't have to believe me, look at the monthly survey graph on this very site - P5 is one of those tiny lines right down the bottom amongst such giants as DT and 123RF in terms of earnings.
The P5 forum isnt exactly full of people praising how well sales have taken off and how well exclusive is doing for them either.

If a site by volume sells only about 10% per month vs another site than a 60 to 40% difference in commission is negligible and makes almost zero difference to the final totals.

The maths for me (and looking at the graphs, others) is very simply.  Pulling videos off SS and AS to go P5 only will lose us many hundreds of dollars per month in lost revenue.  Thats the brutal reality here.

Quote
So you're telling me it's much better to keep supporting SS and kill the whole industry because other agencies will have to follow, make a few hundred bucks the next couple of months until it gets

Im not convinced you reside in the real world.  You havent explained how if, having guaranteed $0.00 income from Shutterstock you're supposed to buy anything with that?  Are there landlords im unaware of that accept principle in lieu of rent money?  Do supermarkets have an option to pay with good will instead of money?

If you pull a portfolio you are guaranteeing an in come of 0.  Nothing.  No money.  No payout. Nothing goes into the bank.

If you're also deluded enough to think SS will care (or even notice) an absolutely miniscule number of contributors pulling an utterly insignificant amount of media off the site then by all means go ahead.  The problem is you think you matter or are somehow important to them.  You're not.  None of us are.  You can do all you want but it isnt going to change their policy which has been costed, planned and modelled.
So its your choice whether you want to accept a guarantee of no money and buy food with it or settle for a not-ideal but some money instead.
But to think anything will change due to actions is utterly deluded.

So what is your advice? what is your solution? I am all ears and interested in everyone's opinion. I'm trying to find good reason to continue with SS. I am not exclusive to Shutterstock btw so obviously this is not my only income but still I depend on it.
Not-ideal? income slashes in half for some so that's an understatement no? it's a complete disaster and many are probably already looking for another job because SS only pays half the bills.

I get what you mean by any income is better then nothing but where would you draw the line? when is enough? 1/5th of your current income? 1/10th? As long as you still get around it's fine? so 0,05c is also fine because it's still an income? Even if you can't live from it anymore it's still money? How far can they take this as far as you are concerned? Just wondering...

Does SS care about me? of course not! Do they care about you? I think not but I might be wrong. Do they care about a couple of hundred or thousand of us that are taking action, yes I do for sure. Will they change their ways? most likely not. Can we change the market? very much so but that is up to us. If everyone would think like you then we are doomed of course but that is not the case, far from it.

If I would reactivate my portfolio again it would only have one purpose. Take what is left and help drive this business down as fast as possible by selling cheap while hoping other agencies will follow too and speed things up even more.

It's weird talking to people like yourself in contrast to those whom I'm talking to in the other thread. You are a realist I suppose and we are all dreamers? I do think you're beginning to realize that this income is not sustainable anymore for almost all of us. But still it is income?
It's as if you prefer continue supplying and selling at SS while watching your income go down over trying to create a sustainable income elsewhere. Are you still uploading to SS btw?

Or will you just ride it out? I can understand that and I believe many will do so.
Now if you'll excuse me I'll get back to my dreamworld gnirtS ;)

Be well

« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2020, 11:42 »
+5
You don't have to believe me, look at the monthly survey graph on this very site - P5 is one of those tiny lines right down the bottom amongst such giants as DT and 123RF in terms of earnings.

That graph is much more relevant to images sales performance than video or audio. Not accurate data to draw any conclusions about non-image sales.

60 to 40% difference in commission is negligible...The maths for me is very simply.

#1. Artists receive royalties, the company aka salespeople earn "commissions". #2. A 60% ROYALTY is 50% more than a 40% royalty (quite significant, actually) and that is a 400% higher royalty than what you're gonna be getting come January 1st on your Shutterstock, so yes, the maths is very simple. Gonna take a whole lot of those $0.36 sub sales or at least 4 sales with your paltry 15% royalties at Shutterstock to match a single normal sale at Pond5.

Then there's the pride and self-respect aspect, and not ruining it for everyone else, etc...
« Last Edit: July 01, 2020, 11:45 by Daryl Ray »

« Reply #33 on: July 01, 2020, 18:16 »
+1

Maybe I just have respect to my self ...

No sweetheart. If you work with the SS you're an amateur. Pure and simple.
Sorry, I do not think only amateur work with SS because I know many photographer from there in person. Your judgment is wrong.
Btw.I sold that video with other agency.
Because I have respect to my self.
 

« Reply #34 on: July 01, 2020, 19:10 »
+3
Everyone is in the same boat. Nobody can do without the money, but Shutterstock is pulling the whole industry down. It's imperative, especially for video, that we get our files onto Pond5 and off SS.

Pond5 is a major player in video licensing. If you go exclusive, they get your files back onto Adobe and onto Vimeo stock. You get 60% of revenue. If you do the maths, you realise that you don't lose much from an Adobe perspective. It's earnings comparable.

Quite simply no its not.  P5 does not sell as much full stop.

Most of us ALREADY have our all files on P5 and have done for many years.  non exclusive we get 40% not 60% but that in no way makes up for the low sales.
You don't have to believe me, look at the monthly survey graph on this very site - P5 is one of those tiny lines right down the bottom amongst such giants as DT and 123RF in terms of earnings.
The P5 forum isnt exactly full of people praising how well sales have taken off and how well exclusive is doing for them either.

If a site by volume sells only about 10% per month vs another site than a 60 to 40% difference in commission is negligible and makes almost zero difference to the final totals.

The maths for me (and looking at the graphs, others) is very simply.  Pulling videos off SS and AS to go P5 only will lose us many hundreds of dollars per month in lost revenue.  Thats the brutal reality here.

Quote
So you're telling me it's much better to keep supporting SS and kill the whole industry because other agencies will have to follow, make a few hundred bucks the next couple of months until it gets

Im not convinced you reside in the real world.  You havent explained how if, having guaranteed $0.00 income from Shutterstock you're supposed to buy anything with that?  Are there landlords im unaware of that accept principle in lieu of rent money?  Do supermarkets have an option to pay with good will instead of money?

If you pull a portfolio you are guaranteeing an in come of 0.  Nothing.  No money.  No payout. Nothing goes into the bank.

If you're also deluded enough to think SS will care (or even notice) an absolutely miniscule number of contributors pulling an utterly insignificant amount of media off the site then by all means go ahead.  The problem is you think you matter or are somehow important to them.  You're not.  None of us are.  You can do all you want but it isnt going to change their policy which has been costed, planned and modelled.
So its your choice whether you want to accept a guarantee of no money and buy food with it or settle for a not-ideal but some money instead.
But to think anything will change due to actions is utterly deluded.


You can not be more wrong.

First, if mankind destroy all rain forests, nature will not destroy mankind. Mankind is going to destroy mankind.

Same goes for SS. Contributors wont destroy SS. SS is gonna destroy itself. Some contributors leaving is just a scene by the road you see on the side window speeding on the road to destruction.  You dont see happy contributors giving their best on that road for sure.



« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2020, 19:45 »
+3
Amen @ Lizard

I don't think much emphasis is needed, SS does not exist.

This could be seen coming. It was serious, vector files with an exaggerated size, cut one million two hundred thousand images a week, with the excuse of a similar file and then, loading error and title in English.

SS is past history. Only, if they are increasing income from everywhere, to release it to the new owners at the beginning of the year, maybe SS has a chance.

Companies with happy people are more likely, on average, to achieve great results.

« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2020, 13:50 »
+2
Got a 34c today for video. Makes the 60c one look good!

  :-X

Shelma1

« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2020, 14:01 »
+10
If youd all disabled your portfolios on June 15 Shutterstock would have had to raise royalties again because they would have had no content. Enjoy your soon to be 10-cent video sales.

« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2020, 14:38 »
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If youd all disabled your portfolios on June 15 Shutterstock would have had to raise royalties again because they would have had no content. Enjoy your soon to be 10-cent video sales.

No



I don't think they will ever recognize a mistake. The Gods of the Galactic Universe will never back down, recognizing a mistake is giving the company to the taxpayers. Taxpayers are nothing to SS. Therefore, SS does not exist. And SS prefers not to exist than to recognize an error. Recognizing mistakes make men and companies great. SS is neither large as a company nor run by men. They are Heavenly Gods of the World Universe.
No matter what each contributor does, SS simply doesn't exist.

« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2020, 14:52 »
+5
Got a 34c today for video. Makes the 60c one look good!

  :-X


Congratulations! (Not)

That 34c video royalty won't even buy a postage stamp here in the USA, and the 60c one just barely does. Sad.

« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2020, 15:28 »
+7
The only deluded one here is you. Or maybe confused. Or maybe you just don't have the experience or talent who knows. What is clear is that if you are making hundreds a month you are an amateur in this. Pros need to protect their income and asset value at all cost.

Things shift , it only takes time. When little Istock and Shutter appeared many were laughing about their contributors, me included. Why? because while people where initially making very little I and others were selling images for 4 figures very often and sometimes 5 figures too. But slowly the erosion got serious and many of us participated in that new market reluctantly I think that the high point of Shutter is over.  Once they beat contributors that bad they will not become more contributor friendly next morning.

My sales at Adobe and P5 are getting stronger and stronger. Maybe you don't sell at those places because buyers are price conscious (in spite of stupid marketing talk of agencies) and buy your images/videos at Shutterstock. We will see in the next years but I would not hold my breath that Shutter will maintain leadership. Adobe will slowly and ruthlessly climb to the top. I hope that P5 follows too.

 

But to think anything will change due to actions is utterly deluded.

« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2020, 15:34 »
+2
I would not hold my breath that Shutter will maintain leadership. Adobe will slowly and ruthlessly climb to the top. I hope that P5 follows too.

I, for one, fervently hope that you are right!


Noedelhap

  • www.colincramm.com

« Reply #42 on: July 29, 2020, 16:19 »
+3
Got a 34c today for video. Makes the 60c one look good!

  :-X

It's your own fault for leaving them online at SS while you already know for weeks they're selling for peanuts, so why complain here when you can also simply remove them?

« Reply #43 on: July 29, 2020, 16:57 »
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  ....

So people that did well with $500 now get $200 to $300 which is still ok and if we drive the price down even more they will make $100. Then it's game over anyway, for everyone. No more jump ship while you can or some people can't afford losing SS income and all that crap, it will be GAME OVER FOR EVERYONE!!!

As a matter of fact that is exactly what I will do! It's everyone for themselves right so f.ck those who cannot afford to lose SS income, they don't care about us so why should we about them. I will go back to SS and support them as much as I can hoping they drive the price down even more!
..

do you have enough koolaid for everyone to join your suicide pact?

« Reply #44 on: July 29, 2020, 16:59 »
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Got a 34c today for video. Makes the 60c one look good!

  :-X

It's your own fault for leaving them online at SS while you already know for weeks they're selling for peanuts, so why complain here when you can also simply remove them?

Somethings better than nothing! Thats how they justify getting 10 cents royalties.

« Reply #45 on: July 30, 2020, 01:57 »
+1
Got a 34c today for video. Makes the 60c one look good!

  :-X

The result of your choice!

« Reply #46 on: July 30, 2020, 08:03 »
+1
Got a 34c today for video. Makes the 60c one look good!

  :-X

It's your own fault for leaving them online at SS while you already know for weeks they're selling for peanuts, so why complain here when you can also simply remove them?

I was just pointing it out. I know what SS are doing.  I do not upload footage anymore and will remove my portfolio in January. Not sure its my fault. People on this site are very quick to blame others and be negative to others. One of the reasons I don't really follow this forum as much as I did years ago. No doubt I will get negative quotes back. Seems the way of the world now online.

Shelma1

« Reply #47 on: July 30, 2020, 08:42 »
+4
Negative comments because if everyone had sacrificed a few weeks of income SS would have been forced to roll back their draconian royalty cuts and we'd ALL be back to higher royalties. Instead, the vast majority stayed, accepting a big loss this year and an even bigger loss come January, rather than a temporary, much smaller loss for a few weeks in June. We own the content. The agencies are nothing without us. But whatevs.

« Reply #48 on: July 30, 2020, 08:58 »
+5
I deleted all my clips From SS. I cannot consider a sale the payment of few cents for a clip. Im not satisfied for that. I feel its very sad. Its just that it will never pay the time of shooting, keywording and uploading. Its not a job any more.

« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2020, 10:11 »
+2
Got a 34c today for video. Makes the 60c one look good!

  :-X

It's your own fault for leaving them online at SS while you already know for weeks they're selling for peanuts, so why complain here when you can also simply remove them?

I was just pointing it out. I know what SS are doing.  I do not upload footage anymore and will remove my portfolio in January. Not sure its my fault. People on this site are very quick to blame others and be negative to others. One of the reasons I don't really follow this forum as much as I did years ago. No doubt I will get negative quotes back. Seems the way of the world now online.

You are getting screwed, you know you are getting screwed, you complain about getting screwed, and yet you stay to keep getting screwed. How can you expect positive comments from that?


 

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