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« Reply #325 on: November 26, 2022, 05:22 »
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I wondered if the images were intentionally pushed back and would then be brought forward at an appropriate tine, but it seems somewhat late for that to happen.


At least that's what happened last year, so I expect the same to happen again. I do not remember the exat date, but they were pushed forward  sometime in December, and pushed back again in January.

I agree it's late. I have been selling lots of Christmas images through the whole month, so the demand is there much earlier than December.


« Reply #326 on: November 26, 2022, 11:07 »
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I wondered if the images were intentionally pushed back and would then be brought forward at an appropriate tine, but it seems somewhat late for that to happen.


At least that's what happened last year, so I expect the same to happen again. I do not remember the exat date, but they were pushed forward  sometime in December, and pushed back again in January.

I agree it's late. I have been selling lots of Christmas images through the whole month, so the demand is there much earlier than December.

none of my xmas images are on the last 5 pages of my 'most popular'

in addition, advertisers buy xmas images in sep or earlier to meet deadlines

« Reply #327 on: November 26, 2022, 11:42 »
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I wondered if the images were intentionally pushed back and would then be brought forward at an appropriate tine, but it seems somewhat late for that to happen.


At least that's what happened last year, so I expect the same to happen again. I do not remember the exat date, but they were pushed forward  sometime in December, and pushed back again in January.

I agree it's late. I have been selling lots of Christmas images through the whole month, so the demand is there much earlier than December.

none of my xmas images are on the last 5 pages of my 'most popular'

in addition, advertisers buy xmas images in sep or earlier to meet deadlines

You can't say that across the board, Cascoly.
Our customers usually don't come with their Christmas themes until mid-November.

Another question: I can only filter for "fresh images" and "top images" within my own portfolio. Do you actually get the possibility to filter by "most popular" within your own portfolio?

« Reply #328 on: November 26, 2022, 19:12 »
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Another question: I can only filter for "fresh images" and "top images" within my own portfolio. Do you actually get the possibility to filter by "most popular" within your own portfolio?

that's for image portfolio

for portfolio/catalog manager you get the other choices

« Reply #329 on: November 27, 2022, 05:42 »
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Another question: I can only filter for "fresh images" and "top images" within my own portfolio. Do you actually get the possibility to filter by "most popular" within your own portfolio?

that's for image portfolio

for portfolio/catalog manager you get the other choices

Ah, okay, thanks - found that in the catalog manager now. I just hadn't looked there at all.

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« Reply #330 on: November 27, 2022, 12:23 »
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Another question: I can only filter for "fresh images" and "top images" within my own portfolio. Do you actually get the possibility to filter by "most popular" within your own portfolio?

that's for image portfolio

for portfolio/catalog manager you get the other choices

Ah, okay, thanks - found that in the catalog manager now. I just hadn't looked there at all.

As far as I see it, the difference between Top Images (Portfolio view) sort and Most Popular (Catalog Manager) is just the name. A small test, beyond the obvious first page, Page 4 is identical to page four on either view.

Mine are identical, in the same order. Only thing different is, catalog manager offers Newest or Oldest as a choice. Portfolio calls it Fresh Images and picking the last page takes you to the oldest.

Catalog manager you have to click through for each page, portfolio you can just select a page number and ENTER. Catalog manager the filter by keywords is really nice on portfolio it's just search.

But the important part is, the order for Top Images is Identical to Most Popular.

« Reply #331 on: November 27, 2022, 14:06 »
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I have no idea, Annie. Only the suspicion that the AI or the selection team suspects keyword spamming behind it because it doesn't associate the image with Christmas.

Or I'm listed as a contributor incapable of providing saleable Christmas images.

I will delete it again, remove the word christmas and upload it again.



How is that a Christmas image?

« Reply #332 on: November 27, 2022, 14:27 »
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I have no idea, Annie. Only the suspicion that the AI or the selection team suspects keyword spamming behind it because it doesn't associate the image with Christmas.

Or I'm listed as a contributor incapable of providing saleable Christmas images.

I will delete it again, remove the word christmas and upload it again.



How is that a Christmas image?

Well, I could definitely see these embellishments being used for Christmas wrapping, Christmas cards, invitation cards, gift certificates, decorations and the like.

« Reply #333 on: November 27, 2022, 14:34 »
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Another question: I can only filter for "fresh images" and "top images" within my own portfolio. Do you actually get the possibility to filter by "most popular" within your own portfolio?

that's for image portfolio

for portfolio/catalog manager you get the other choices

Ah, okay, thanks - found that in the catalog manager now. I just hadn't looked there at all.

As far as I see it, the difference between Top Images (Portfolio view) sort and Most Popular (Catalog Manager) is just the name. A small test, beyond the obvious first page, Page 4 is identical to page four on either view.

Mine are identical, in the same order. Only thing different is, catalog manager offers Newest or Oldest as a choice. Portfolio calls it Fresh Images and picking the last page takes you to the oldest.

Catalog manager you have to click through for each page, portfolio you can just select a page number and ENTER. Catalog manager the filter by keywords is really nice on portfolio it's just search.

But the important part is, the order for Top Images is Identical to Most Popular.

Yes, Pete, by now I also realized that there is no difference between "top images" and "most popular".

« Reply #334 on: November 28, 2022, 07:43 »
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I was off Shutter for about 2 years and enabled my portfolio in September to see how my Christmas images will fare - kind of an experiment if Shutter is worth it (spoiler: it isn't, going to deactivate it on Jan 1, as soon as I fall back to 15% royalty  :D). Anyway what I noticed is that almost all of my Christmas photos sell for 10 cent (or slightly above), while other photos also go for higher prices. No idea why, my theory is that Christmas images are bought by larger buyers with large subscription plans. Or it might be just a coincidence.. Just curious: do you also observe similar price distribution?
« Last Edit: November 28, 2022, 08:34 by mike123 »

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #335 on: November 28, 2022, 11:07 »
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Another question: I can only filter for "fresh images" and "top images" within my own portfolio. Do you actually get the possibility to filter by "most popular" within your own portfolio?

that's for image portfolio

for portfolio/catalog manager you get the other choices

Ah, okay, thanks - found that in the catalog manager now. I just hadn't looked there at all.

As far as I see it, the difference between Top Images (Portfolio view) sort and Most Popular (Catalog Manager) is just the name. A small test, beyond the obvious first page, Page 4 is identical to page four on either view.

Mine are identical, in the same order. Only thing different is, catalog manager offers Newest or Oldest as a choice. Portfolio calls it Fresh Images and picking the last page takes you to the oldest.

Catalog manager you have to click through for each page, portfolio you can just select a page number and ENTER. Catalog manager the filter by keywords is really nice on portfolio it's just search.

But the important part is, the order for Top Images is Identical to Most Popular.

Yes, Pete, by now I also realized that there is no difference between "top images" and "most popular".

I figured you would. 👍 This happened a while back and I suppose that whole discussion became lost to history, because it was pretty irrelevant. But they decided to stop calling them Best Sellers and the said Most Popular, when neither is true. Then it switch on part of the site to "Top Images" which is just a mysterious for what does that mean?

Please bookmark this one (yeah I've never said that before) Top Performers 100 per page instead of the default 25. Makes things much easier to view and review.

 https://submit.shutterstock.com/earnings/top-performers?page=1&date_range=0&sort_direction=desc&per_page=100&language=en

« Reply #336 on: November 30, 2022, 09:25 »
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I have no idea, Annie. Only the suspicion that the AI or the selection team suspects keyword spamming behind it because it doesn't associate the image with Christmas.

Or I'm listed as a contributor incapable of providing saleable Christmas images.

I will delete it again, remove the word christmas and upload it again.



How is that a Christmas image?

Well, I could definitely see these embellishments being used for Christmas wrapping, Christmas cards, invitation cards, gift certificates, decorations and the like.

Wilm, the same thing has happened to me now with a new picture. A shopping center in Paris with the terms Christmas tree and decoration is now in last place on Shutter in the search of this center  >:(

« Reply #337 on: December 01, 2022, 01:22 »
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Christmas photos have now been "released" from being glued to the back of our ports, so the deadline apparently is December 1st.

Still not ranking anywhere as high as they should according to my sales.

« Reply #338 on: December 01, 2022, 03:19 »
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For me, volume of sales at SS remains largely unchanged compared to the previous years. What has changed is the near total disappearance of larger value sales over the last 2 months. These are mostly footage sales and occasional SODs. Footage especially at SS has crashed with most sales now less than $1.

However, not all bad as the this drop in SS $ is dwarfed by the uplift elsewhere. I now just focus on work for them and SS receives what ever time I have left at the end of the month... if there is any.

« Reply #339 on: December 01, 2022, 03:47 »
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Christmas photos have now been "released" from being glued to the back of our ports, so the deadline apparently is December 1st.

Still not ranking anywhere as high as they should according to my sales.

With me too, my picture has moved to the top of page one today.

« Reply #340 on: December 01, 2022, 04:42 »
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Correct, the image has moved from the last to the first position in my portfolio today. In my opinion December 1st is extremely late to push christmas images!

« Reply #341 on: December 01, 2022, 12:45 »
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Correct, the image has moved from the last to the first position in my portfolio today. In my opinion December 1st is extremely late to push christmas images!

so now, those who previously had top placements can complain their images are being pushed back! throughout this period hundreds of xmas images were getting 1st page placement, so your gain is their loss


« Reply #342 on: December 01, 2022, 12:56 »
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so now, those who previously had top placements can complain their images are being pushed back! throughout this period hundreds of xmas images were getting 1st page placement, so your gain is their loss

 This is about the placement of Christmas photos in each contributor's individual portfolio. Christmas photos were on the last pages of each contributor's ports, now they aren't anymore. This has nothing to do with the placement of other contributor's photos. No content of other contributors was "pushed back". The sorting of photos in my port has no connection to your image placement.
The overall placement in the Shutterstock search has not been changed.
« Last Edit: December 01, 2022, 12:58 by Firn »

« Reply #343 on: December 01, 2022, 14:08 »
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Correct, the image has moved from the last to the first position in my portfolio today. In my opinion December 1st is extremely late to push christmas images!

so now, those who previously had top placements can complain their images are being pushed back! throughout this period hundreds of xmas images were getting 1st page placement, so your gain is their loss

I imagine I read a certain reproach out of your words.

I am relatively indifferent to the placement of an image within my portfolio.

The image can be found on page 7 of 230 in the shutterstock search with a combination of two search terms chosen by me that contain the word Christmas.

So it may be crowding out images, but the good images are not affected.

In general, you shouldn't upload anything more if you want to prevent images from other contributors from being pushed to the back. Because at shutterstock, fresh images are initially protected, as you know.

« Reply #344 on: December 02, 2022, 13:08 »
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For me, volume of sales at SS remains largely unchanged compared to the previous years. What has changed is the near total disappearance of larger value sales over the last 2 months. These are mostly footage sales and occasional SODs. Footage especially at SS has crashed with most sales now less than $1.

However, not all bad as the this drop in SS $ is dwarfed by the uplift elsewhere. I now just focus on work for them and SS receives what ever time I have left at the end of the month... if there is any.
What other places are you talking about?

« Reply #345 on: December 03, 2022, 01:54 »
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I have no idea, Annie. Only the suspicion that the AI or the selection team suspects keyword spamming behind it because it doesn't associate the image with Christmas.

Or I'm listed as a contributor incapable of providing saleable Christmas images.

I will delete it again, remove the word christmas and upload it again.

Did you see this answer?

Wilm, I actually have an idea what the problem is. Does your new image by any chance happen to have a keyword related to Christmas? I looked at your port and noticed it is having the same weird behavior regarding Christmas images than mine: They are all glued to the back of your port.

To me this suddenly happened maybe 2 years ago. Suddenly all my Christmas images went to the back of my port.
...
And then, sometime in December all my Christmas images suddenly were sorted back to were they belong - and then after Christmas they all went back to the last pages of my port. So maybe it's not even a glitch, but an intended feature where Shutterstrock sorts Christmas images different out of season. But I never noticed anything similar with for example easter or Halloween images.

Either way, seeing as in your port all your Christmas images seem to be sorted on the last page, I suspect it's the same with your port as with mine.

And that would make it, nothing personal and at the same time, the same for everyone, which means, out of our control and not worth the worrying. Of course, yes, you can leave out the work Christmas and there you are.

Maybe more important is not where the pictures end up in your port but where they end up in the search of a customer using keywords you have added.
Wilm, you might be shooting in your own foot if you leave out Christmas just because it ends up in the back of your port but at the same time clients will not find your picture anymore when they look for Christmas pictures. So maybe, don't focus that much on your port view?

The problem is that at least the first image I wrote about also showed up on the last page when I searched the database - not just in my portfolio. I haven't checked that with the new image, but assume it's the same.

Did that image move up now?

« Reply #346 on: December 03, 2022, 03:48 »
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I have no idea, Annie. Only the suspicion that the AI or the selection team suspects keyword spamming behind it because it doesn't associate the image with Christmas.

Or I'm listed as a contributor incapable of providing saleable Christmas images.

I will delete it again, remove the word christmas and upload it again.

Did you see this answer?

Wilm, I actually have an idea what the problem is. Does your new image by any chance happen to have a keyword related to Christmas? I looked at your port and noticed it is having the same weird behavior regarding Christmas images than mine: They are all glued to the back of your port.

To me this suddenly happened maybe 2 years ago. Suddenly all my Christmas images went to the back of my port.
...
And then, sometime in December all my Christmas images suddenly were sorted back to were they belong - and then after Christmas they all went back to the last pages of my port. So maybe it's not even a glitch, but an intended feature where Shutterstrock sorts Christmas images different out of season. But I never noticed anything similar with for example easter or Halloween images.

Either way, seeing as in your port all your Christmas images seem to be sorted on the last page, I suspect it's the same with your port as with mine.

And that would make it, nothing personal and at the same time, the same for everyone, which means, out of our control and not worth the worrying. Of course, yes, you can leave out the work Christmas and there you are.

Maybe more important is not where the pictures end up in your port but where they end up in the search of a customer using keywords you have added.
Wilm, you might be shooting in your own foot if you leave out Christmas just because it ends up in the back of your port but at the same time clients will not find your picture anymore when they look for Christmas pictures. So maybe, don't focus that much on your port view?

The problem is that at least the first image I wrote about also showed up on the last page when I searched the database - not just in my portfolio. I haven't checked that with the new image, but assume it's the same.

Did that image move up now?

Yes, Diana, within my portfolio it has moved from last to first place.

And in the shutterstock search it is now at least findable if you have left the first pages behind. But it has not got a download yet.

Anyway, what Firn, Pete and others wrote is correct: On December 1, the agorithm was changed to Christmas.

« Reply #347 on: December 03, 2022, 08:48 »
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December started much worse than November.
Just a statement of fact.

« Reply #348 on: December 07, 2022, 16:04 »
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With 11335 Photos - 31,91 $ in November.
Meanwhile the others: https://www.anadolustok.com/konu-kas%C4%B1m-2022-sat%C4%B1%C5%9Flar%C4%B1

Justanotherphotographer

« Reply #349 on: December 08, 2022, 06:27 »
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With 11335 Photos - 31,91 $ in November.
Meanwhile the others: https://www.anadolustok.com/konu-kas%C4%B1m-2022-sat%C4%B1%C5%9Flar%C4%B1
OMG, that's a lot of work for $30. Have you considered another hobby!


 

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