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« on: October 25, 2022, 07:13 »
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Were excited to announce that we are partnering with OpenAI to bring the tools and experiences to the Shutterstock marketplace that will enable our customers to instantly generate and download images based on the keywords they enter.

As we step into this emerging space, we are going to do it in the best way we know howwith an approach that both compensates our contributor community and protects our customers.

In this spirit, we will not accept content generated by AI to be directly uploaded and sold by contributors in our marketplace because its authorship cannot be attributed to an individual person consistent with the original copyright ownership required to license rights. Please see our latest guidelines here. When the work of many contributed to the creation of a single piece of AI-generated content, we want to ensure that the many are protected and compensated, not just the individual that generated the content.

In the spirit of compensating our contributor community, we are excited to announce an additional form of earnings for our contributors. Given the collective nature of generative content, we developed a revenue share compensation model where contributors whose content was involved in training the model will receive a share of the earnings from datasets and downloads of ALL AI-generated content produced on our platform.

We see generative as an exciting new opportunityan opportunity that were committed to sharing with our contributor community. For more information, please see our FAQ on the subject, which will be updated regularly.


« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2022, 07:17 »
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Not sure how much more excitement i can take.
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2022, 07:18 »
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I think it isn't a terrible model considering. I just wish I could trust SS to give us anything resembling a fair cut.

« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2022, 07:37 »
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Yahoo!   Let the millionths of a penny start rolling in....

« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2022, 07:37 »
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It is SS. so I expect: your photo of the happy young man on a mountain + my sky background combined to a new image= 33% of shared 0.01 USD commission for each.  ;D

« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2022, 07:40 »
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It is SS. so I expect: your photo of the happy young man on a mountain + my sky background combined to a new image= 33% of shared 0.01 USD commission for each.  ;D

More like:  the AI looked at 300 million images to learn how images and keywords work and you had 5 images in there that were relevant.  You do the math.

« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2022, 07:41 »
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I'd strongly advise any contributors not to participate in providing content for datasets.

« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2022, 07:44 »
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When SS say something new is 'exciting'. You just know it probably isn't.

« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2022, 07:49 »
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Well, this ought to drive away the rest of their contributors.

« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2022, 08:01 »
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I'd strongly advise any contributors not to participate in providing content for datasets.
How will that help?  Looks like they already fed current images into the dataset, so I'm not sure how much smarter the AI can get.  Opting out of payment will only be a good idea for everyone else, assuming it narrows the payment pool.

« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2022, 08:11 »
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This will work only for exclusive contributors. Shutterstock dont have exclusive contributors or I am wrong?

« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2022, 08:29 »
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This will work only for exclusive contributors.
Why?  DALL E may be able to use any dataset fed into it.  If it's the SS dataset, then exclusivity is not relevant.

« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2022, 09:40 »
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I'd strongly advise any contributors not to participate in providing content for datasets.
How will that help?  Looks like they already fed current images into the dataset, so I'm not sure how much smarter the AI can get.  Opting out of payment will only be a good idea for everyone else, assuming it narrows the payment pool.

How will that help? I assume Shutterstock will let this be an opt-in program - if not they definitely should. The more quality content they feed into these datasets, the closer we all are to going out of work. It's clear that it will lead to derivative work!

Look for example at this article: https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/09/16/1059598/this-artist-is-dominating-ai-generated-art-and-hes-not-happy-about-it/.

wds

« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2022, 09:40 »
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My fear is that if an image is opted in to "train" the AI, what does that exactly mean? Will I see AI images generated that have AI people that happen to look a lot like a model in one of my images? or image concepts that are reused in AI generated images?

« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2022, 09:48 »
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I'd strongly advise any contributors not to participate in providing content for datasets.

I agree, but is this even an option?

« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2022, 09:55 »
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I'd strongly advise any contributors not to participate in providing content for datasets.

I agree, but is this even an option?

It has to be. I've contacted Shutterstock to get clarification on this.

« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2022, 10:10 »
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So now the buyers will start generating the images more instead of buying and since there is revenue share so start expecting more incoming pennies with decreasing the real downloads.


« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2022, 10:32 »
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Re Opt-out:

If you look at the FAQ they published (https://support.submit.shutterstock.com/s/article/Shutterstock-ai-and-Computer-Vision-Contributor-FAQ?language=en_US), it says at the bottom of the page:

"Can I opt out of having my content included in future datasets?

Yes, in the coming months we will be adding an option in the contributor account settings that will allow you to opt out of having your content included in future datasets. "

Which also means, they have already sold these "datasets" (i.e. content including metadata) in the past, without any agreement of the affected contributors.

They also say "Shutterstock maintains an internal database of all assets used in all datasets that have been created since the launch of this product, so we can compensate our contributors accordingly.", but - obviously - contributors will not be notified if their "assets" habe been included.

Typical Shutterstock move.
I would expect the compensation to be a (very low) token amount that doesn't add up to much...

So glad that I have deactivated my "assets" after their commission cut. Although, who says they didn't include deactivated images?

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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2022, 10:41 »
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Shutterstock: Working together to lead the way with AI

Were excited to announce that we are partnering with OpenAI to bring the tools and experiences to the Shutterstock marketplace that will enable our customers to instantly generate and download images based on the keywords they enter.


I predicted this was coming earlier in this thread (bold part).

So yes, AI is on track for making us redundant unless legal/copyright prevents it from happening.

Just because it was relevant and from a different thread. We knew that some agency would adopt this and create their own dataset, from their own images, because that way they control the distribution, and have the rights, because artists will be paid a share.

 


« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2022, 12:06 »
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I'm starting to submit images with irrelevant keywords  8)

« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2022, 12:57 »
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By partnering with OpenAI for the training AI model for their content generation tool, we are ensuring that the new technology coming to our platform was created in an ethical and responsible way, which compensates the contributing artists whose original content was used in developing this tool.
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Given the availability of various AI content generation models in the marketplace, we are unable to verify the model source for most AI-generated content and therefore are unable to ensure all artists who were involved in the generation of each piece of content are compensated.
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will directly compensate Shutterstock contributors if their IP was used in the development of AI-generative models,
https://support.submit.shutterstock.com/s/article/Shutterstock-ai-and-Computer-Vision-Contributor-FAQ

Shutterstock needs to be more transparent:
  • in ML the original images in the training dataset are not used for creating new content. The trained app doesn't have the original creator info.  How can they identify each artist involved w/o knowing which images were used from the millions in dataset? most likely ALL images used in training generate 'income' for artists? So even if the
  • How do they identify the IP of each image? why IP rather than artist ID since "Shutterstock maintains an internal database of all assets used in all datasets that have been created since the launch of this product, so we can compensate our contributors accordingly."
  • What about users who don't have a dedicated IP but have a shared IP? The internet knows your IP address because it's assigned to your device and is required to browse the internet. Your IP address changes, though, every time you connect to a different Wi-Fi network or router.

« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2022, 16:13 »
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If your images are part of the dataset used, SS will pay a % of the overall fee OpenAI paid to train Dalle based on the number of images you have in the dataset. At your royalty rate. I see them doing a simple calculation split evenly between all files in the dataset. They're not going to be able to say what files are used in what images, or to what % they matter in the dataset. If we define:

F (fee paid for dataset)
T (total number of images in dataset)
N (number of your images in dataset)
R% (your royalty rate)

(F/T) * N * R% = how much you get paid.

These numbers are all hypothetical, and may be all wrong but....

Let's assume that 300M images were used and the fee they paid is $1M. Then SS would have had $1M / 300M = $0.003333333333 per image used to train.

If you have 10 images that were used you'll end up with 10 x $0.003333333333 = $0.03333333333 / your royalty rate. So between $0.004999999999 and $0.01333333333 per 10 images in the dataset.

Then as images are generated, everyone with images in that dataset gets their cut the same way each 6 months.

$10M in revenue for SS, ends up being $0.04999999999 - $0.1333333333 per 10 images you have in the dataset.
If you have 10,000 images in the dataset you'd end up with 1000 times this cut of course - $49.99999999 - $133.3333333 per 10,000 images in the dataset.

Plenty of money to last you another 6 months!  :o

I have no idea how many images are in the dataset, so if you think 300M is too many images, and you want to use 100M instead - just multiply the above numbers by 3.. Please check my math, but overall however you slice it, the contributors who's IP has been used will get the shaft here. SS will bank the fat cash.

« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2022, 20:41 »
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So Open AI (Dalle2) is now charging approx .13 cents per query (4 images)... say SS is negotiated 50% of that fee from OpenAi (maybe free in exchange for contributor content data), what are the realistic commission paid to contributors? ...fraction of a cent??

Its a joke, everyone should opt out unless you want to wake up with sub dollar monthly sales in your account!

« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2022, 01:45 »
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Don't like the idea of having to "opt out" I've contacted SS to ask why we are automatically opted in without our consent, not that I'm expecting them to listen.  I guess they are relying on contributors forgetting or just not bothering. 

Hopefully we'll get some kind of notification when the opt out option is available.

« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2022, 05:36 »
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When will these old farts ever learn. So blinded by the theory of AI are they that they have no idea how this will bite them in the arse. They should do their research.

Amazon used a powerful AI to hire the beat and brightest. It filtered thousands of applications and was doing really well. Until one day the higher ups looked at their workforce and struggled to find a female.

What had happened was that the AI had become a misogynist. In fact it made the decision to deliberately seek out any female application and avoid processing it. It learnt rather interesting and efficient ways to do this. It would look at their applications and search for their school. If it was an all female school it rejected them immediately. If that didn't work it searched their social media.

And now we are going to enjoy SS's budget version. Which will do what. AIs generally become with each iteration more feral.

I would imagine it will completely destroy SS by using data sets that are completely false and will skew everything.


 

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