Let me start out by saying I regret joining Veer, and wasting so much time on their site. I've decided to stop uploading, and I'm getting close to canceling my account. I wasted several hours uploading a batch of around 40 illustrations to Veer, all different subject matter. Most of them were rejected as "subject matter not suitable for the Veer marketplace". I seriously doubt they spent more that 5 minutes looking over the whole batch of around 40. There was a wide range of subjects, most were rejected. I'm mainly disgusted at the colossal waste of time this was, time that could have been spent creating new illustrations for my portfolio. Even iStock, the most rejecting agency out there, accepts 79% of my work - and they also provide Scout to rescue the images that never should have been rejected.

And that's not all, I can't get the FTP to work, and when I posted about it on this forum, I received no help whatsoever. I had to upload images one at a time, ridiculously time consuming. I'm very busy and don't have time to waste like this. Take some advice that I wished I had received to begin with - don't waste your time on Veer

Linda B

loosers always gave a new horse most of their hope.

instead of...you know it....

any idiot like to follow a new idea.....if he had bad experiences with the old, even if it is the same crap in new clothes....sorry i'm german, i better sale pictures than argue in english.

Oh, and about the "you know it"...you didn't? Well i'm for shure Veer will rule it....for you especially....red carpet, fireworks, chicks and all of this...because they had done marketing at microstockgroup, had bought a third class agency, had flattered any living idiot online and now everybody who is online at veer is a hero.

They pay not more, they have a escape period, they are going down.....that's a real good reason to join until they have ever sold any picture at microstockmarket.

Have I said this? Wasn't my attitude. I'm just extremely critical about veer.

What i tried to say and whish to communicate was just, i don't see a different between veer an other established agencies. All the veer-hipe i read here doesn't look like to be fullfilled.

If anyone here whould behave like there's any other agency more, with same marketing, better image and more reputacion but at conditions like the almost existing big six....what means...they start late, they have a problem, they really need support by constributors but the behave like they could start in seconds to the position others take years....thats high risc, and it is not honest. But unhonest and not fair p(l)aying ist also any other agency.

Pessimist is just better informed optimist :-)

And yet you have such a nice collection of icons there in your signature. 

I have had a positive experience with Veer so far.  Had my first payout sent yesterday and that is the most important factor to me.  They are doing much better than SV ever did and it is still far too early to judge them.  I should probably keep quiet, as when everyone uploads  sales might get diluted but I would like to see them do well.

My only complaint is the watermark.  Please give our images better protection.  SV had a much better watermark.

Veer is very overrated currently. It will take a very long time till they come close to the results of the big 5, sales will be very disappointing in the first year or even longer. But they are very selective that is a good sign that they will may made it in the long term. I feel sorry about your rejections but actually this give me the feeling that veer is maybe not a totally waste of time. If your avatar says something about your style of work i feel that you maybe really doesn't fit to veer.

I have had a positive experience with Veer so far.  Had my first payout sent yesterday and that is the most important factor to me.  They are doing much better than SV ever did and it is still far too early to judge them.  I should probably keep quiet, as when everyone uploads  sales might get diluted but I would like to see them do well.

My only complaint is the watermark.  Please give our images better protection.  SV had a much better watermark.

I wish it would continue to do well for everyone but the sales will be less (don't know how much less), but less once we all join in at the end of the month!

But you can be sure that it will be better than SV, even if the sales go down because their placement on Alexa is higher than CanStockPhoto and getting close to Crestock if that's any indication.

They will be worse than BigStock but who knows they may be as good when they launch the site and start advertising. Better than BigStock? It is a long shot but the prices of the images on Veer are much higher than BigStock, so kind of promising!

If you don't like Veer then why contribute to them?

I've stopped uploading to them and will not be uploading anything else. Right now I'm trying to decide if I should pull my portfolio and close my account. The fact that others claim to have had positive experiences with Veer makes wonder if perhaps the mass rejections were simply a mistake. I doubt it, though - call me a pessimist, but most likely I'll be deleting my portfolio from Veer. I've got 6 agencies I contribute to, so I would rather focus on them.

I wrote this to warn others that Veer was a waste of time for me, and could possibly be a waste for them as well. We've all heard from those who think Veer is wonderful, why not have a more balanced assessment of this new agency? Isn't that part of the reason why this group exists in the first place?
 

What you don't understand is, the images that were rejected were of all different types of subject matter. And again, if they dislike my work so much, why did they accept every single one of my initial submissions, and then go on to accept most of the illustrations in the second batch? Why didn't they just reject my initial submission, and save me a lot of trouble? It's not the rejections, this isn't a wounded ego speaking here - I resent the inconsiderate way I was treated, and how so much of my time was wasted. I believe that the third batch fell into that hands of a 'bad' inspector, but I have no way of verifying this, and no one from Veer has addressed any of my concerns.

 I know there is an unspoken taboo against complaining about rejections in the forums, but I just thought people should know that not everyone has a 'woo yay' opinion of Veer. Again, isn't this supposed to be a balanced forum? If Veer were my business I'd want the benefit of hearing about both the positive AND negative experiences of my contributors and customers. It seems to me that's only common sense.

I just sent Veer an email instructing them to close my account and remove my illustrations from the site. Case closed, time to move on. My time is worth more than this.

I am not getting why people want to close accounts and remove all their files? I simply stop uploading and observing this account.

You do what you gotta do to stay sane, even if it's an otherwise poor business decision...

Well, I can certainly relate to that statement, seeings how I resigned from my job today with nothing really lined up. Bad business decision? You bet. Worth it to quit instead of walking around with a knot in my stomach all the time because I hate my job and the people managing it? You bet.

Alisa, you gotta do what you think is right for you. It doesn't make sense what they did with your rejections, but then there are a lot of things that don't make sense with microstock and rejections.

If it makes you feel any better, I have been uploading to 5 different sites now for about 3 years. I really think I have come a long way in learning photography. But I am getting more rejections than accepts on Veer. I just don't think I'm good enough yet. I may be giving up too. At the rejection rate I'm going, I'll be lucky to get 50 good files up. If Veer is like other sites (I'm sure they will say they are not), you have to have over 100 photos just to start seeing any kind of sales.

Good luck with your other endeavors. I just reread in your post that you are a diamond at istock. That is pretty awesome!

You do what you gotta do to stay sane, even if it's an otherwise poor business decision...

Well, I can certainly relate to that statement, seeings how I resigned from my job today with nothing really lined up. Bad business decision? You bet. Worth it to quit instead of walking around with a knot in my stomach all the time because I hate my job and the people managing it? You bet.

Good for you - no job or agency is worth sacrificing your sanity. You will probably accomplish a lot more since your energies won't be drained by the constant frustrations. I try to keep emotions out of my business decisions, but sometimes protecting your sanity IS the best  choice for both you AND your business.

Don't let Veer discourage you from the micros, you can keep trying to find success with those agencies that already have proven track records. There's a lot of trail-and-error in this business.

Apparently I'm not the only one with emotional problems...

for a site that's not even started walking, i am surprised to see some ppl already making judgement to quit .
sure the rejections , more than necessary  . but i  look at in the other way . the more picky the lesser the collection, the greater the chance of getting downloads.
see it this way, "hey , so much the better for those who stay !"

as for that "intelligent" person who you thinks Veer is for idiots and a big hype .
exccuuuusse us for living !
woo hoo ,  dude! don't stay up on accounts of us idiots .
we won't lose any sleep , neither will we be staying up waiting for you..
yuk!yuk! snort, grunt ! ...( no translation possible, just unintelligible ,incohorent  gibberish!)
 
as whatalife said, "don't contribute, if you don't like Veer".

dya know where Alice is?

getting small

My experience with VEER so far is they are EXTREMELY pickey!  They seem to have ONLY very specific images which they feel are suitable for stock.  Not something I consider a big deal, but it is frustrating because I haven't been able to build up my portfolio as quickly as I would have hoped.

In addition, they made me "Fix" one of my images for keywords - TWICE ~ then proceeded to reject it.  What a waste of time that was! Wouldn't it have been better to just reject it in the beginning?  The rejection was for "Pixel quality issue (noise, compression or resizing artifacts) " ~ something I'm getting on quite a few images.  I'm not believing it at all because the same images have been accepted to very particular sites whose reviewers I respect and trust more so than the ones from VEER.

I'm trying to keep a positive attitude and give VEER the benefit of the doubt though, because they are new and are striving to be different.

dya know where Alice is?
getting small

ah, there you are . changing size to get where you need to be. ... just as i thought, adaptable as ever.

 

@pixelbytes

Congrats on your decision Cathy.

Thanks. I hope it wasn't a wrong one. I should have plenty of time to shoot photos, redo my website and fill out applications.

cathy, i am sure you'll do well. you have a sense of humor, and you know not to take yourself too seriously.
the lighter the mind the higher they fly. enjoy !

So far veer reviews have been OK.  I had a few batches with lots of rejections but that might be a strict reviewer.  Most of the sites seem to have at least one of those.  I only upload small batches, so it isn't too painful if I get the reviewer who has fallen asleep on the reject button.

I just had a large batch of 70 reviewed. I had great hopes since all my 10 application photos were accepted without any problem. The result is that 35 were rejected as "non suitable for stock". I am not finicky about rejections at all, if the shot is technically borderline, if it falls beyond the type of collection the site wants to build, or if it's borderline commercial.

But my problem with Veer's rejections is the total inconsistency. I tried to compare the rejected vs the accepted and there is no line to draw. I would have preferred if they had rejected the technically borderline ones, low sellers at other sites, or certain types of content consistently. Then it would have been clear what they want.

Now, it's not. They reject - and accept - isolated studio business shots, they reject - and accept - lifestyle and in situation, they reject - and accept landscapes and nature. It just makes no sense to see what they accept and reject from the same shoot, except they rejected good sellers at other sites (included iStock) and consistently accepted the boring or technically borderline ones.

My conclusion is that they employed Atilla and his entire family as reviewers, and/or that the reviewers are totally uneducated or clueless right now. Hopefully that will get better later. That will teach me a lesson: don't upload large batches, just small and varied ones of 10. If you fall on Atilla, at least the rest of a particular shoot isn't ruined.

For the moment, I'll just stop uploading. Their workflow is very slow if you want to do it seriously (going through the suggested keywords) - it took me a full day to upload and submit 100 photos. iStock's workflow is much faster, and at least I feel comfortable with iStock's rejects. Veer's acceptance and rejects are erratic for the moment. So better put that time in iStock for the moment again.

You do what you gotta do to stay sane, even if it's an otherwise poor business decision...

Well, I can certainly relate to that statement, seeings how I resigned from my job today with nothing really lined up. Bad business decision? You bet. Worth it to quit instead of walking around with a knot in my stomach all the time because I hate my job and the people managing it? You bet.

Yikes - scary stuff, but I bet you feel that a weight has been lifted off your shoulders!

Re: VMP. I've had regular monthly payments for the last few months from them. A few days ago I received $96 for June, which considering that they haven't officially launched is a good sign for the future. I still find the rejections a little frustrating, but I have to respect Brian and his team thus far as the dollar speaks volumes. It's a shame you are deciding to withdraw your portfolio, I think many of us have a lot to gain by partnering with this site, especially as they develop there customer base over the next six months. For me at least VFM is far from being a waste of time, good luck to them and to those who decide not to take the leap of faith.

I have had a positive experience with Veer so far.  Had my first payout sent yesterday and that is the most important factor to me.  They are doing much better than SV ever did and it is still far too early to judge them.  I should probably keep quiet, as when everyone uploads  sales might get diluted but I would like to see them do well.

My only complaint is the watermark.  Please give our images better protection.  SV had a much better watermark.

This must have been answered 1000 times, but where do I see what�s going on in my account?    Or don�t I yet?   

Quote from: sharpshot on July 16, 2009, 01:31

I have had a positive experience with Veer so far.  Had my first payout sent yesterday and that is the most important factor to me.  They are doing much better than SV ever did and it is still far too early to judge them.  I should probably keep quiet, as when everyone uploads  sales might get diluted but I would like to see them do well.

My only complaint is the watermark.  Please give our images better protection.  SV had a much better watermark.

This must have been answered 1000 times, but where do I see what�s going on in my account?    Or don�t I yet?   

You don't yet.  I only know I have sold something there because they have sent money to my paypal account.

I agree it seems to be too variable, one batch almost all accepted then a whole batch rejected for not suitable for stock. Seems a bit like a lucky dip to me.

Better than rejecting everything I suppose.

how funny...did you have a problem to call my name, you should.
I'm smart. Only a little bit oversized in communication abilities. But in english, you have a good chance to engage me. You will loose, but...it will last longer because im not natural speaker in english.

And the problem is, you're not interested in image business, you're only interested in profiling yourself at microstockgroup. You can't win because....i would sell images more than you, a lot more, even if you offend me in a hunderet of years. And i would sell more then you, for shure.

Whats you answer infant?

I agree it seems to be too variable, one batch almost all accepted then a whole batch rejected for not suitable for stock. Seems a bit like a lucky dip to me.

I had exactly the same experience. The worst was that they accepted my borderline shots and they rejected my good sellers at other sites. I don't think it's their policy, I just think their reviewers are uneducated as to what the site really wants. I will just withhold uploads now till they streamlined their reviewers team.

It's normal Nebuto because your images aren't live yet. They are gathering the images and the second phase of VMP should launch later this month.

Well, I have been anxiously awaiting Veer going live...it looked like it was going to be a good place to be selling photos, for several reasons.

I finally got my first 10 approved and have been submitting more.

I am so disappointed now (again). I have as many rejected as approved. As I scanned through the rejection reasons, composition was one reason. Two photos were rejected because "The subject matter is outside of Veer Marketplace's current needs" and yet one of them I already submitted and it was approved. This second one is the same subject, just a whole different view of the object. The second one is the same subject as the first one submitted and approved, the first was in vertical format and the second in horizontal format. Same rejection reason "The subject matter is outside of Veer Marketplace's current needs".

I give up for now. I just don't think I'm good enough. 

My current rejection rate is about 25 percent which is not great but ok. What I don't like is the pattern I see. It seems like Veer employs two reviewers with distinctly different tastes. One of them loves my work and the other rejects almost everything.

A little more predictability would be great.

I give up for now. I just don't think I'm good enough. 

No, you should never think that way. Especially with Veer this being so new.
Just keep submitting and try to grasp the kind of shots Veer likes of your portfolio.
We all have our own site that "thinks we are not good enough", whether it's SS, IS, FT, or whatnot.
You know from your own experience with the Big 6 , one should never deem rejections from one as an indication of "truth" written in stone.
Keep going  cclapper 

Great advice, Perseus.

Not only that, I was just browsing the Veer site, and noticed Cathleen Clapper on the "Latest Portfolios" page: http://ideas.veer.com/portfolios

Doesn't seem like a site that doesn't want you, Cathleen. 

@whatalife...sorry to hear about your rejections.

Something is going on...I hope once the site is up and running and everything has settled in, we can give all those rejections another shot. Do they have a second chance department?

Doesn't seem like a site that doesn't want you, Cathleen.

I have a feeling that just shuffles through all the portfolios.

I like Veer a lot

I didn't have any problems with the upload process
I actually uploaded all my illustrations, and had 100% approval...0 rejection...

the point that OP and others have been making is that veer rejects images that the big  5 accept [and sell], yet they don't have the courtesy to give a decent review -- "not suitable for stock"  is BS  - my application was rejected without any meaningfull comments - and they expect i'll just send them another set w/o knowing what they're looking for?    i dont have time for guessing games with an unproven nano-stock site

 i'm willing to try new sites, and will give them awhile t meet their claims; i still have portfolios at cut, most,panther, albumo, tho none of them have sold much; i still upl to yay since the submission is easy, again, even tho sales are slow.

but it's nt worth spending a lot of time uploading when there are batch rejections.  i've stopped upl to FT for that reason, and 123 has been getting there

s

cascoly sorry, i have to disagree on 3 counts
in the first place, Veer is NOT an unproven nano-stock site.
in the second place, you just said you stopped upl to FT for the same reason. so maybe you should ditch the ego and start looking for valid reasons to the rejections.
finally, even if Veer is unproven nano-stock site as you incorrectly call them, i would prefer a new and unproven site to be strict so that they can indeed produce sales , rather than have them give every tom , dick and harry 100% approval like all the previous new sites. after all, it's sales we are looking for, not 100% approval.

Actually this is the full text of the rejection I believe cascoly is referring to....

Rejection comments
Not suitable for stock � lack of commercial appeal. Issues with composition, subject matter and technical quality- not quite suitable for Veer Marketplace.


I think if the rejected images were technically good then the reason should just be....not quite suitable for Veer Marketplace ............I believe I've seen one of the other agencies do something like (though your image is technically sound its not quite what we are looking for)

I just had 6 of 11 images rejected for the above reason and the same images were all accepted at the Big 6 and a number of them have had sales. (the other 5 disappeared somewhere, missing in action, sent an email)

I've had some batches with 90%+ approval and others with MUCH, much less. I've learned to just move on and submit the next batch and since I am submitting to about 10 or so agencies, the images they rejected are still out there selling at one place or another.

-Don

Quote from: cascoly on July 28, 2009, 16:48

the point that OP and others have been making is that veer rejects images that the big  5 accept [and sell], yet they don't have the courtesy to give a decent review -- "not suitable for stock"  is BS  - my application was rejected without any meaningfull comments - and they expect i'll just send them another set w/o knowing what they're looking for?    i dont have time for guessing games with an unproven nano-stock site

 i'm willing to try new sites, and will give them awhile t meet their claims; i still have portfolios at cut, most,panther, albumo, tho none of them have sold much; i still upl to yay since the submission is easy, again, even tho sales are slow.

but it's nt worth spending a lot of time uploading when there are batch rejections.  i've stopped upl to FT for that reason, and 123 has been getting there

s

in the first place, Veer is NOT an unproven nano-stock site.
in the second place, you just said you stopped upl to FT for the same reason. so maybe you should ditch the ego and start looking for valid reasons to the rejections.
finally, even if Veer is unproven nano-stock site as you incorrectly call them, i would prefer a new and unproven site to be strict so that they can indeed produce sales , rather than have them give every tom , dick and harry 100% approval like all the previous new sites. after all, it's sales we are looking for, not 100% approval.

ego is irrelevant -- if you read my posts you'd see i SPECIFICALLY said that the images in questions were accepted and sell at the other major sites.   my complaint was when a site declares those SALABLE images to 'not be stock worthy' , it's up to them to describe what makes their reviews so different -- therwise it's just a waste of time trying to guess what they want.  a great example was LO - their reviews were almost always personalized and were definitely wrth paying attention to.  generic rejects in bulk just show lazy or underpaid reviewers

i've got no problem if a site is restrictive, the proof is in the sales.   in veer's case, they just opened, so s they can hardly be said to have a proven record in this
 particular area

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