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« on: July 15, 2009, 20:39 »
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Let me start out by saying I regret joining Veer, and wasting so much time on their site. I've decided to stop uploading, and I'm getting close to canceling my account. I wasted several hours uploading a batch of around 40 illustrations to Veer, all different subject matter. Most of them were rejected as "subject matter not suitable for the Veer marketplace". I seriously doubt they spent more that 5 minutes looking over the whole batch of around 40. There was a wide range of subjects, most were rejected. I'm mainly disgusted at the colossal waste of time this was, time that could have been spent creating new illustrations for my portfolio. Even iStock, the most rejecting agency out there, accepts 79% of my work - and they also provide Scout to rescue the images that never should have been rejected.

And that's not all, I can't get the FTP to work, and when I posted about it on this forum, I received no help whatsoever. I had to upload images one at a time, ridiculously time consuming. I'm very busy and don't have time to waste like this. Take some advice that I wished I had received to begin with - don't waste your time on Veer >:(

Linda B


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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2009, 20:59 »
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I'm sorry that you had a bad experience, but not everyone has.

The FTP situation is frustrating (and they have posted in response to it several times), but the browser upload allows you to select multiple images and upload them all at once, so you do not necessarily have to upload images one at a time unless you choose to do so.

Anyway, hope you are able to find more rewarding ways to spend your time. :)

« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2009, 22:31 »
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loosers always gave a new horse most of their hope.

instead of...you know it....
« Last Edit: July 15, 2009, 22:33 by werkmann »

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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2009, 23:31 »
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loosers always gave a new horse most of their hope.

instead of...you know it....

I'm sorry but my cryptic translator is in the shop. Would you mind explaining your comment?

« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2009, 23:45 »
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any idiot like to follow a new idea.....if he had bad experiences with the old, even if it is the same crap in new clothes....sorry i'm german, i better sale pictures than argue in english.

Oh, and about the "you know it"...you didn't? Well i'm for shure Veer will rule it....for you especially....red carpet, fireworks, chicks and all of this...because they had done marketing at microstockgroup, had bought a third class agency, had flattered any living idiot online and now everybody who is online at veer is a hero.

They pay not more, they have a escape period, they are going down.....that's a real good reason to join until they have ever sold any picture at microstockmarket.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2009, 00:04 by werkmann »

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« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2009, 00:00 »
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Oh okay, so to join a new site makes one an idiot.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2009, 00:07 »
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Have I said this? Wasn't my attitude. I'm just extremely critical about veer.

What i tried to say and whish to communicate was just, i don't see a different between veer an other established agencies. All the veer-hipe i read here doesn't look like to be fullfilled.

If anyone here whould behave like there's any other agency more, with same marketing, better image and more reputacion but at conditions like the almost existing big six....what means...they start late, they have a problem, they really need support by constributors but the behave like they could start in seconds to the position others take years....thats high risc, and it is not honest. But unhonest and not fair p(l)aying ist also any other agency.

« Last Edit: July 16, 2009, 00:26 by werkmann »

« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2009, 00:13 »
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Pessimist is just better informed optimist :-)

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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2009, 00:19 »
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Pessimist is just better informed optimist :-)
And yet you have such a nice collection of icons there in your signature.  ;)

« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2009, 00:37 »
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sorry, to understoodd my mails you have to take some time...but...if you are paid by o,oo1 cent by hour take the time. Otherwise you have to wait until i optimise it.
I'm now going to bed.....but i'm ashamed of my bad english....

« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2009, 01:31 »
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I have had a positive experience with Veer so far.  Had my first payout sent yesterday and that is the most important factor to me.  They are doing much better than SV ever did and it is still far too early to judge them.  I should probably keep quiet, as when everyone uploads  sales might get diluted but I would like to see them do well.

My only complaint is the watermark.  Please give our images better protection.  SV had a much better watermark.

« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2009, 01:53 »
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I am please to hear that you got a payout already, when the site is not properly launched. That is encouraging.
Can I be cheeky and ask for a link to your portfolio on Veer. I am keen to see what kind of pictures are selling on there. IM it if you don't want it on the main message board. I have been away for a number of days every week, and not had the time to do a lot of snooping round the sites.

Werkman, your English is better than my German! We are excited about Veer not because it is a new site, but because of who owns it!

grp_photo

« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2009, 02:42 »
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Veer is very overrated currently. It will take a very long time till they come close to the results of the big 5, sales will be very disappointing in the first year or even longer. But they are very selective that is a good sign that they will may made it in the long term. I feel sorry about your rejections but actually this give me the feeling that veer is maybe not a totally waste of time. If your avatar says something about your style of work i feel that you maybe really doesn't fit to veer.

« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2009, 07:25 »
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If your avatar says something about your style of work i feel that you maybe really doesn't fit to veer.

If Veer doesn't want my style of work, fine - they should have rejected my application. Sure my ego would have been wounded, but at least least I wouldn't have wasted any more time on it. All ten of my initial submissions were accepted. Then I uploaded around 34 more images - only four of these were rejected. That was encouraging, so I submitted around 38 more images, and nearly all of these were rejected.

Now what would you think? Honestly, what would anyone think? Would you assume you were dealing with a professional, well run agency, with a thoroughly trained, high quality inspection team? Or would you think you had just wasted a massive amount of time on yet another poorly run, highly overrated agency? That was the conclusion I reached, and I posted about it to warn others. OK, I admit, I wanted to blow off a little steam, too. But my main intention was to spare others a similar experience to mine, and to add another voice to counter all the hype I've been hearing on this forum about Veer.

I have yet to hear a response from Veer, but then there was no response when I had the FTP problems, either. You may not like my avatar, but don't assume that my work is of poor quality. I've been in the micro business since 2004, and I have been successful at it. Am I supposed to believe that a portfolio that earned diamond status at iStock is of poor quality? Don't make assumptions.

Linda B

« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2009, 08:15 »
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I have had a positive experience with Veer so far.  Had my first payout sent yesterday and that is the most important factor to me.  They are doing much better than SV ever did and it is still far too early to judge them.  I should probably keep quiet, as when everyone uploads  sales might get diluted but I would like to see them do well.

My only complaint is the watermark.  Please give our images better protection.  SV had a much better watermark.

I wish it would continue to do well for everyone but the sales will be less (don't know how much less), but less once we all join in at the end of the month!

But you can be sure that it will be better than SV, even if the sales go down because their placement on Alexa is higher than CanStockPhoto and getting close to Crestock if that's any indication.

They will be worse than BigStock but who knows they may be as good when they launch the site and start advertising. Better than BigStock? It is a long shot but the prices of the images on Veer are much higher than BigStock, so kind of promising!

« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2009, 11:50 »
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If you don't like Veer then why contribute to them?

« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2009, 13:27 »
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If you don't like Veer then why contribute to them?

I've stopped uploading to them and will not be uploading anything else. Right now I'm trying to decide if I should pull my portfolio and close my account. The fact that others claim to have had positive experiences with Veer makes wonder if perhaps the mass rejections were simply a mistake. I doubt it, though - call me a pessimist, but most likely I'll be deleting my portfolio from Veer. I've got 6 agencies I contribute to, so I would rather focus on them.

I wrote this to warn others that Veer was a waste of time for me, and could possibly be a waste for them as well. We've all heard from those who think Veer is wonderful, why not have a more balanced assessment of this new agency? Isn't that part of the reason why this group exists in the first place?
 

« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2009, 14:04 »
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Okay. I am in microstock since 2006. Was exclusive on IS and cancelled my exclusivity. Now i am uploading to 10 agencies. Everybody whose uploading to several agencies knows, that every company has own rules and acceptances. So if you got a rejection "subject matter not suitable for the Veer marketplace" why do you upload such files. I had also this rejection reason, but meanwhile my acceptance ratio is nearly about 90%.
FTP-Uploads working fine for me and are very fast (using FileZilla).

I know, sometimes it is very frustrating (closed my FT account). So if your decision is closing your veer account, close it.
I am waiting till my pics are available later this summer ;)
 

If you don't like Veer then why contribute to them?

I've stopped uploading to them and will not be uploading anything else. Right now I'm trying to decide if I should pull my portfolio and close my account. The fact that others claim to have had positive experiences with Veer makes wonder if perhaps the mass rejections were simply a mistake. I doubt it, though - call me a pessimist, but most likely I'll be deleting my portfolio from Veer. I've got 6 agencies I contribute to, so I would rather focus on them.

I wrote this to warn others that Veer was a waste of time for me, and could possibly be a waste for them as well. We've all heard from those who think Veer is wonderful, why not have a more balanced assessment of this new agency? Isn't that part of the reason why this group exists in the first place?
 

« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2009, 14:30 »
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What you don't understand is, the images that were rejected were of all different types of subject matter. And again, if they dislike my work so much, why did they accept every single one of my initial submissions, and then go on to accept most of the illustrations in the second batch? Why didn't they just reject my initial submission, and save me a lot of trouble? It's not the rejections, this isn't a wounded ego speaking here - I resent the inconsiderate way I was treated, and how so much of my time was wasted. I believe that the third batch fell into that hands of a 'bad' inspector, but I have no way of verifying this, and no one from Veer has addressed any of my concerns.

 I know there is an unspoken taboo against complaining about rejections in the forums, but I just thought people should know that not everyone has a 'woo yay' opinion of Veer. Again, isn't this supposed to be a balanced forum? If Veer were my business I'd want the benefit of hearing about both the positive AND negative experiences of my contributors and customers. It seems to me that's only common sense.

« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2009, 14:38 »
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A small "woo yay" for Veer. I just got my first payment and it was half of SX earnings, and about the same as Crestock, Bigstock or 123rf. And it was about the same amount as whole year at snapvillage...
And they haven't even started marketing the marketplace properly.

I haven't yet any info if my images get accepted, I just had my snapvillage portfolio moved over there.

« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2009, 14:59 »
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I just sent Veer an email instructing them to close my account and remove my illustrations from the site. Case closed, time to move on. My time is worth more than this. :-\

« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2009, 15:53 »
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I don't feel there is any "unspoken taboo against complaining" about anything at all. That's what forums like this are for.  I find "complaints" like this interesting and informative.   Some people seem to be annoyed by complaints. I don't get that.  I'm not here to sing company songs.  This isn't a Shaklee convention.


« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2009, 16:00 »
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I am not getting why people want to close accounts and remove all their files? I simply stop uploading and observing this account.

« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2009, 16:14 »
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I am not getting why people want to close accounts and remove all their files? I simply stop uploading and observing this account.

You're right, that would be the logical response. But my emotions were getting the best of me, and so in the interest of emotional stability, I decided that the account had to be closed. Take a look at my avatar, I'm not the most stable person in the world  ;)

You do what you gotta do to stay sane, even if it's an otherwise poor business decision...

« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2009, 16:32 »
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You do what you gotta do to stay sane, even if it's an otherwise poor business decision...

Well, I can certainly relate to that statement, seeings how I resigned from my job today with nothing really lined up. Bad business decision? You bet. Worth it to quit instead of walking around with a knot in my stomach all the time because I hate my job and the people managing it? You bet.

Alisa, you gotta do what you think is right for you. It doesn't make sense what they did with your rejections, but then there are a lot of things that don't make sense with microstock and rejections.

If it makes you feel any better, I have been uploading to 5 different sites now for about 3 years. I really think I have come a long way in learning photography. But I am getting more rejections than accepts on Veer. I just don't think I'm good enough yet. I may be giving up too. At the rejection rate I'm going, I'll be lucky to get 50 good files up. If Veer is like other sites (I'm sure they will say they are not), you have to have over 100 photos just to start seeing any kind of sales.

Good luck with your other endeavors. I just reread in your post that you are a diamond at istock. That is pretty awesome!


« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2009, 16:49 »
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Well, I can certainly relate to that statement, seeings how I resigned from my job today with nothing really lined up. Bad business decision? You bet. Worth it to quit instead of walking around with a knot in my stomach all the time because I hate my job and the people managing it? You bet.



Congrats on your decision Cathy.   It was brave - getting rid of something that was NOT working so you will have room in your life for the right opportunity.

That's why I do micro - hated every other job I ever had.  Love this one (most of the time).

Sorry to hear people having bad experiences with Veer.  I haven't had any bad experience yet.  Some rejections - more than I thought necessary, but not so many to discourage me from uploading there.

Probably once the site opens and a consensus begins to form about sales volume there then we'll have a better idea whether it's worth uploading there.  For now I plan to continue chugging along submitting my limit every week.

« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2009, 17:01 »
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You do what you gotta do to stay sane, even if it's an otherwise poor business decision...

Well, I can certainly relate to that statement, seeings how I resigned from my job today with nothing really lined up. Bad business decision? You bet. Worth it to quit instead of walking around with a knot in my stomach all the time because I hate my job and the people managing it? You bet.


Good for you - no job or agency is worth sacrificing your sanity. You will probably accomplish a lot more since your energies won't be drained by the constant frustrations. I try to keep emotions out of my business decisions, but sometimes protecting your sanity IS the best  choice for both you AND your business.

Don't let Veer discourage you from the micros, you can keep trying to find success with those agencies that already have proven track records. There's a lot of trail-and-error in this business.

puravida

  • diablo como vd
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2009, 17:05 »
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for a site that's not even started walking, i am surprised to see some ppl already making judgement to quit .
sure the rejections , more than necessary  . but i  look at in the other way . the more picky the lesser the collection, the greater the chance of getting downloads.
see it this way, "hey , so much the better for those who stay !"

as for that "intelligent" person who you thinks Veer is for idiots and a big hype .
exccuuuusse us for living !
woo hoo ,  dude! don't stay up on accounts of us idiots .
we won't lose any sleep , neither will we be staying up waiting for you..
yuk!yuk! snort, grunt ! ...( no translation possible, just unintelligible ,incohorent  gibberish!)
 
as whatalife said, "don't contribute, if you don't like Veer".

« Last Edit: July 16, 2009, 17:28 by puravida »

« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2009, 17:32 »
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Apparently I'm not the only one with emotional problems...


for a site that's not even started walking, i am surprised to see some ppl already making judgement to quit .
sure the rejections , more than necessary  . but i  look at in the other way . the more picky the lesser the collection, the greater the chance of getting downloads.
see it this way, "hey , so much the better for those who stay !"

as for that "intelligent" person who you thinks Veer is for idiots and a big hype .
exccuuuusse us for living !
woo hoo ,  dude! don't stay up on accounts of us idiots .
we won't lose any sleep , neither will we be staying up waiting for you..
yuk!yuk! snort, grunt ! ...( no translation possible, just unintelligible ,incohorent  gibberish!)
 
as whatalife said, "don't contribute, if you don't like Veer".



puravida

  • diablo como vd
« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2009, 18:18 »
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Apparently I'm not the only one with emotional problems...


rofl, the whole world's an asylum !
& i am  mad hatter !   ;D
dya know where Alice is?  :P
« Last Edit: July 16, 2009, 18:20 by puravida »

« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2009, 18:25 »
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dya know where Alice is?

getting small

« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2009, 18:28 »
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@pixelbytes

Congrats on your decision Cathy.

Thanks. I hope it wasn't a wrong one. I should have plenty of time to shoot photos, redo my website and fill out applications.

« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2009, 20:30 »
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My experience with VEER so far is they are EXTREMELY pickey!  They seem to have ONLY very specific images which they feel are suitable for stock.  Not something I consider a big deal, but it is frustrating because I haven't been able to build up my portfolio as quickly as I would have hoped.

In addition, they made me "Fix" one of my images for keywords - TWICE ~ then proceeded to reject it.  What a waste of time that was! Wouldn't it have been better to just reject it in the beginning?  The rejection was for "Pixel quality issue (noise, compression or resizing artifacts) " ~ something I'm getting on quite a few images.  I'm not believing it at all because the same images have been accepted to very particular sites whose reviewers I respect and trust more so than the ones from VEER.

I'm trying to keep a positive attitude and give VEER the benefit of the doubt though, because they are new and are striving to be different.

« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2009, 20:31 »
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cclapper, I too once quit a job with nothing else lined up.  It's a great feeling. And after doing it once you will always know that you can stand up and walk away if pushed too far.  People will sense that about you - not something rude or belligerent, just a bit of self respect that they realize they won't be able to compromise.




puravida

  • diablo como vd
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2009, 21:42 »
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dya know where Alice is?
getting small

ah, there you are . changing size to get where you need to be. ... just as i thought, adaptable as ever. :D

 
@pixelbytes

Congrats on your decision Cathy.

Thanks. I hope it wasn't a wrong one. I should have plenty of time to shoot photos, redo my website and fill out applications.

cathy, i am sure you'll do well. you have a sense of humor, and you know not to take yourself too seriously.
the lighter the mind the higher they fly. enjoy !

« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2009, 21:54 »
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two batches mostly approved, then an almost an entire batch rejected. sounds like a new reviewer or a reviewer having a bad day, like what happens to me every site from time to time. Personally I'd just upload my next batch and see how that went and then if positive reupload the rejected ones, at least that way you'd know.

got my payout yesterday, 2nd one from them.  I'd like to see what had sold, but oh well, I'm not complaining when they earnt more for me than crestock or any of the smaller sites last month and they only have about half my port transferred over from snap. I'll wait a bit longer for things to settle before uploading :)

« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2009, 02:25 »
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So far veer reviews have been OK.  I had a few batches with lots of rejections but that might be a strict reviewer.  Most of the sites seem to have at least one of those.  I only upload small batches, so it isn't too painful if I get the reviewer who has fallen asleep on the reject button.

« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2009, 02:52 »
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Sounds like Atilla has got a job at Veer.   :o

« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2009, 04:39 »
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I just had a large batch of 70 reviewed. I had great hopes since all my 10 application photos were accepted without any problem. The result is that 35 were rejected as "non suitable for stock". I am not finicky about rejections at all, if the shot is technically borderline, if it falls beyond the type of collection the site wants to build, or if it's borderline commercial.

But my problem with Veer's rejections is the total inconsistency. I tried to compare the rejected vs the accepted and there is no line to draw. I would have preferred if they had rejected the technically borderline ones, low sellers at other sites, or certain types of content consistently. Then it would have been clear what they want.

Now, it's not. They reject - and accept - isolated studio business shots, they reject - and accept - lifestyle and in situation, they reject - and accept landscapes and nature. It just makes no sense to see what they accept and reject from the same shoot, except they rejected good sellers at other sites (included iStock) and consistently accepted the boring or technically borderline ones.

My conclusion is that they employed Atilla and his entire family as reviewers, and/or that the reviewers are totally uneducated or clueless right now. Hopefully that will get better later. That will teach me a lesson: don't upload large batches, just small and varied ones of 10. If you fall on Atilla, at least the rest of a particular shoot isn't ruined.

For the moment, I'll just stop uploading. Their workflow is very slow if you want to do it seriously (going through the suggested keywords) - it took me a full day to upload and submit 100 photos. iStock's workflow is much faster, and at least I feel comfortable with iStock's rejects. Veer's acceptance and rejects are erratic for the moment. So better put that time in iStock for the moment again.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2009, 04:47 by cevapcici »

grp_photo

« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2009, 09:45 »
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as for that "intelligent" person who you thinks Veer is for idiots and a big hype .
exccuuuusse us for living !
woo hoo ,  dude! don't stay up on accounts of us idiots .
we won't lose any sleep , neither will we be staying up waiting for you..
yuk!yuk! snort, grunt ! ...( no translation possible, just unintelligible ,incohorent  gibberish!)
 
as whatalife said, "don't contribute, if you don't like Veer".


I do like Veer and I do contribute to them as I did contribute to SV! But I have enough information to judge now. There will be no new Fotolia over night not even close to it. There is no need to believe me now just watch the threads and earning reports in autumn  ;).

« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2009, 12:53 »
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You do what you gotta do to stay sane, even if it's an otherwise poor business decision...

Well, I can certainly relate to that statement, seeings how I resigned from my job today with nothing really lined up. Bad business decision? You bet. Worth it to quit instead of walking around with a knot in my stomach all the time because I hate my job and the people managing it? You bet.


Yikes - scary stuff, but I bet you feel that a weight has been lifted off your shoulders!

Re: VMP. I've had regular monthly payments for the last few months from them. A few days ago I received $96 for June, which considering that they haven't officially launched is a good sign for the future. I still find the rejections a little frustrating, but I have to respect Brian and his team thus far as the dollar speaks volumes. It's a shame you are deciding to withdraw your portfolio, I think many of us have a lot to gain by partnering with this site, especially as they develop there customer base over the next six months. For me at least VFM is far from being a waste of time, good luck to them and to those who decide not to take the leap of faith.

« Reply #41 on: July 17, 2009, 14:11 »
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I don't know if I am wasting my time or not until they prove one way or the other.

My approval rate is 75% which does not look too bad. However if you take consideration that most of the images were proven winners with other major sites, the approval standard is still rather strict. I am most frustrated by the keyword rejections because they are not telling me which keywords they don't like.

If they launch it on time and I see decent sales, I will be more motivated to upload more. Now I am just uploading when I have time. If I see sales, I will make the time.

« Reply #42 on: July 17, 2009, 14:18 »
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I have had a positive experience with Veer so far.  Had my first payout sent yesterday and that is the most important factor to me.  They are doing much better than SV ever did and it is still far too early to judge them.  I should probably keep quiet, as when everyone uploads  sales might get diluted but I would like to see them do well.

My only complaint is the watermark.  Please give our images better protection.  SV had a much better watermark.

This must have been answered 1000 times, but where do I see whats going on in my account?    Or dont I yet?   

« Reply #43 on: July 17, 2009, 14:59 »
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It's a shame you are deciding to withdraw your portfolio, I think many of us have a lot to gain by partnering with this site, especially as they develop there customer base over the next six months. For me at least VFM is far from being a waste of time, good luck to them and to those who decide not to take the leap of faith.

I just have no tolerance for mass rejections, especially from a new and unproven site. If contributors refused to tolerate that sort of treatment, Veer would be forced to adjust. As it is, they don't seem all that concerned about wasting contributors time. Call it a personality clash, but I have no desire whatsoever to do business with Veer. Usually new sites go out of their way to encourage contributors, and then as they get more successful, they tend to get less user friendly. Eventually, you start seeing rejections increase as their libraries get larger. Veer is starting out with mass rejections, and IMO it can only get worse from here - count me out.

« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2009, 15:17 »
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I have had a positive experience with Veer so far.  Had my first payout sent yesterday and that is the most important factor to me.  They are doing much better than SV ever did and it is still far too early to judge them.  I should probably keep quiet, as when everyone uploads  sales might get diluted but I would like to see them do well.

My only complaint is the watermark.  Please give our images better protection.  SV had a much better watermark.

This must have been answered 1000 times, but where do I see whats going on in my account?    Or dont I yet?   
You don't yet.  I only know I have sold something there because they have sent money to my paypal account.

« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2009, 15:25 »
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It's a shame you are deciding to withdraw your portfolio, I think many of us have a lot to gain by partnering with this site, especially as they develop there customer base over the next six months. For me at least VFM is far from being a waste of time, good luck to them and to those who decide not to take the leap of faith.

I just have no tolerance for mass rejections, especially from a new and unproven site. If contributors refused to tolerate that sort of treatment, Veer would be forced to adjust. As it is, they don't seem all that concerned about wasting contributors time. Call it a personality clash, but I have no desire whatsoever to do business with Veer. Usually new sites go out of their way to encourage contributors, and then as they get more successful, they tend to get less user friendly. Eventually, you start seeing rejections increase as their libraries get larger. Veer is starting out with mass rejections, and IMO it can only get worse from here - count me out.

How dare they reject your files, what do they know, you'll be better off with out them. That will teach them to waste your time.

« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2009, 18:13 »
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I agree it seems to be too variable, one batch almost all accepted then a whole batch rejected for not suitable for stock. Seems a bit like a lucky dip to me.

Better than rejecting everything I suppose.

« Reply #47 on: July 17, 2009, 19:12 »
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@ stockastic
cclapper, I too once quit a job with nothing else lined up.  It's a great feeling. And after doing it once you will always know that you can stand up and walk away if pushed too far.  People will sense that about you - not something rude or belligerent, just a bit of self respect that they realize they won't be able to compromise.


That's a nice thing to say, stockastic. I appreciate it. And thanks, too, puravida for the encouragement. I'm a hero to some of my co-workers, but when I turn around, there's never anyone behind me.  :-\ It's very lonely being brave.

Regarding the erratic rejections...I am feeling the same thing. I am considering stopping the uploads until things settle down. Every new site has gone through these problems, I should know by now. You just have to give them time to work the problems out. It shouldn't be that way, but sadly, it is.

« Reply #48 on: July 17, 2009, 20:50 »
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how funny...did you have a problem to call my name, you should.
I'm smart. Only a little bit oversized in communication abilities. But in english, you have a good chance to engage me. You will loose, but...it will last longer because im not natural speaker in english.

And the problem is, you're not interested in image business, you're only interested in profiling yourself at microstockgroup. You can't win because....i would sell images more than you, a lot more, even if you offend me in a hunderet of years. And i would sell more then you, for shure.

Whats you answer infant?

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« Reply #49 on: July 17, 2009, 21:17 »
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how funny...did you have a problem to call my name, you should.

Well it gets more challenging when you can't decide what it is.

« Reply #50 on: July 19, 2009, 09:38 »
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I agree it seems to be too variable, one batch almost all accepted then a whole batch rejected for not suitable for stock. Seems a bit like a lucky dip to me.

I had exactly the same experience. The worst was that they accepted my borderline shots and they rejected my good sellers at other sites. I don't think it's their policy, I just think their reviewers are uneducated as to what the site really wants. I will just withhold uploads now till they streamlined their reviewers team.

« Reply #51 on: July 20, 2009, 15:03 »
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Humm I uploade last week 64 Images made in 3d 63 was approve 1 goes rejected. But right now i dosent sell anything. Does any one sell   more as 10 graphic on veer?

« Reply #52 on: July 20, 2009, 15:04 »
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It's normal Nebuto because your images aren't live yet. They are gathering the images and the second phase of VMP should launch later this month.

« Reply #53 on: July 20, 2009, 15:13 »
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how funny...did you have a problem to call my name, you should.

Well it gets more challenging when you can't decide what it is.

Well played, Whatalife ;D

« Reply #54 on: July 27, 2009, 14:46 »
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Well, I have been anxiously awaiting Veer going live...it looked like it was going to be a good place to be selling photos, for several reasons.

I finally got my first 10 approved and have been submitting more.

I am so disappointed now (again). I have as many rejected as approved. As I scanned through the rejection reasons, composition was one reason. Two photos were rejected because "The subject matter is outside of Veer Marketplace's current needs" and yet one of them I already submitted and it was approved. This second one is the same subject, just a whole different view of the object. The second one is the same subject as the first one submitted and approved, the first was in vertical format and the second in horizontal format. Same rejection reason "The subject matter is outside of Veer Marketplace's current needs".

I give up for now. I just don't think I'm good enough.  :-[

« Reply #55 on: July 27, 2009, 14:54 »
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No reason to give up.  If you are getting half your pics approved that is still good.  Veer is rejecting lots of my stuff too - stuff that is selling on all other sites including the picky ones. 

No way to know if they are a waste of time until we see how the sales are there. 

« Reply #56 on: July 27, 2009, 16:23 »
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My current rejection rate is about 25 percent which is not great but ok. What I don't like is the pattern I see. It seems like Veer employs two reviewers with distinctly different tastes. One of them loves my work and the other rejects almost everything.

A little more predictability would be great.

« Reply #57 on: July 27, 2009, 16:27 »
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Well, I have been anxiously awaiting Veer going live...it looked like it was going to be a good place to be selling photos, for several reasons.

I finally got my first 10 approved and have been submitting more.

I am so disappointed now (again). I have as many rejected as approved. As I scanned through the rejection reasons, composition was one reason. Two photos were rejected because "The subject matter is outside of Veer Marketplace's current needs" and yet one of them I already submitted and it was approved. This second one is the same subject, just a whole different view of the object. The second one is the same subject as the first one submitted and approved, the first was in vertical format and the second in horizontal format. Same rejection reason "The subject matter is outside of Veer Marketplace's current needs".

I give up for now. I just don't think I'm good enough.  :-[

No, you should never think that way. Especially with Veer this being so new.
Just keep submitting and try to grasp the kind of shots Veer likes of your portfolio.
We all have our own site that "thinks we are not good enough", whether it's SS, IS, FT, or whatnot.
You know from your own experience with the Big 6 , one should never deem rejections from one as an indication of "truth" written in stone.
Keep going  cclapper  ;)

KB

« Reply #58 on: July 27, 2009, 17:02 »
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I give up for now. I just don't think I'm good enough.  :-[

No, you should never think that way. Especially with Veer this being so new.
Just keep submitting and try to grasp the kind of shots Veer likes of your portfolio.
We all have our own site that "thinks we are not good enough", whether it's SS, IS, FT, or whatnot.
You know from your own experience with the Big 6 , one should never deem rejections from one as an indication of "truth" written in stone.
Keep going  cclapper  ;)

Great advice, Perseus.

Not only that, I was just browsing the Veer site, and noticed Cathleen Clapper on the "Latest Portfolios" page: http://ideas.veer.com/portfolios

Doesn't seem like a site that doesn't want you, Cathleen.  ;D

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« Reply #59 on: July 27, 2009, 17:39 »
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Wow, I've been definitely empathetic, but kinda keeping my mouth shut about the inspections because up until a few minutes ago, I had a 95% acceptance rate. I just checked and had all 14 of my last submissions rejected in one fell swoop, with the note "The subject matter is outside of Veer Marketplace's current needs."

This is a little discouraging and also confusing since there is varied subject matter within the group, and the illustrations are for the most part in the styles that are most prevalent in my portfolio, and which have been accepted up until now. Not sure how to interpret the meaning of this rejection, other than it sounds like they have enough of my styles of illustration and I shouldn't bother to upload anymore?  :-\

« Reply #60 on: July 27, 2009, 23:55 »
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@whatalife...sorry to hear about your rejections.

Something is going on...I hope once the site is up and running and everything has settled in, we can give all those rejections another shot. Do they have a second chance department?

Doesn't seem like a site that doesn't want you, Cathleen.

I have a feeling that just shuffles through all the portfolios.

puravida

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« Reply #61 on: July 28, 2009, 00:05 »
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Sounds like Atilla has got a job at Veer.   :o

Maybe Clivia is right. 8)

« Reply #62 on: July 28, 2009, 01:10 »
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I like Veer a lot

I didn't have any problems with the upload process
I actually uploaded all my illustrations, and had 100% approval...0 rejection...








« Reply #63 on: July 28, 2009, 16:48 »
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..... But I am getting more rejections than accepts on Veer. I just don't think I'm good enough yet. I may be giving up too. At the rejection rate I'm going, I'll be lucky to get 50 good files up. If Veer is like other sites (I'm sure they will say they are not), you have to have over 100 photos just to start seeing any kind of sales.

the point that OP and others have been making is that veer rejects images that the big  5 accept [and sell], yet they don't have the courtesy to give a decent review -- "not suitable for stock"  is BS  - my application was rejected without any meaningfull comments - and they expect i'll just send them another set w/o knowing what they're looking for?    i dont have time for guessing games with an unproven nano-stock site

 i'm willing to try new sites, and will give them awhile t meet their claims; i still have portfolios at cut, most,panther, albumo, tho none of them have sold much; i still upl to yay since the submission is easy, again, even tho sales are slow.

but it's nt worth spending a lot of time uploading when there are batch rejections.  i've stopped upl to FT for that reason, and 123 has been getting there

s

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« Reply #64 on: July 28, 2009, 17:00 »
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the point that OP and others have been making is that veer rejects images that the big  5 accept [and sell], yet they don't have the courtesy to give a decent review -- "not suitable for stock"  is BS  - my application was rejected without any meaningfull comments - and they expect i'll just send them another set w/o knowing what they're looking for?    i dont have time for guessing games with an unproven nano-stock site

 i'm willing to try new sites, and will give them awhile t meet their claims; i still have portfolios at cut, most,panther, albumo, tho none of them have sold much; i still upl to yay since the submission is easy, again, even tho sales are slow.

but it's nt worth spending a lot of time uploading when there are batch rejections.  i've stopped upl to FT for that reason, and 123 has been getting there

s

cascoly sorry, i have to disagree on 3 counts
in the first place, Veer is NOT an unproven nano-stock site.
in the second place, you just said you stopped upl to FT for the same reason. so maybe you should ditch the ego and start looking for valid reasons to the rejections.
finally, even if Veer is unproven nano-stock site as you incorrectly call them, i would prefer a new and unproven site to be strict so that they can indeed produce sales , rather than have them give every tom , dick and harry 100% approval like all the previous new sites. after all, it's sales we are looking for, not 100% approval.



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« Reply #65 on: July 28, 2009, 17:05 »
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And they are not giving "not suitable as stock" rejections...they are giving "not suitable for Veer MP" rejections. There is a difference.

« Reply #66 on: July 28, 2009, 19:48 »
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Actually this is the full text of the rejection I believe cascoly is referring to....

Rejection comments
Not suitable for stock lack of commercial appeal. Issues with composition, subject matter and technical quality- not quite suitable for Veer Marketplace.


I think if the rejected images were technically good then the reason should just be....not quite suitable for Veer Marketplace ............I believe I've seen one of the other agencies do something like (though your image is technically sound its not quite what we are looking for)

I just had 6 of 11 images rejected for the above reason and the same images were all accepted at the Big 6 and a number of them have had sales. (the other 5 disappeared somewhere, missing in action, sent an email)

I've had some batches with 90%+ approval and others with MUCH, much less. I've learned to just move on and submit the next batch and since I am submitting to about 10 or so agencies, the images they rejected are still out there selling at one place or another.

-Don

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« Reply #67 on: July 28, 2009, 19:58 »
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Actually this is the full text of the rejection I believe cascoly is referring to....

Rejection comments
Not suitable for stock lack of commercial appeal. Issues with composition, subject matter and technical quality- not quite suitable for Veer Marketplace.


I think if the rejected images were technically good then the reason should just be....not quite suitable for Veer Marketplace

The reason you quoted stated that there were issues with technical quality.

I thought cascoly was referring to one of the other ones, which simply state: "The subject matter is not suitable for Veer Marketplace" or  "The subject matter is outside of Veer Marketplace's current needs"

Sorry about that.

« Reply #68 on: July 30, 2009, 21:15 »
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the point that OP and others have been making is that veer rejects images that the big  5 accept [and sell], yet they don't have the courtesy to give a decent review -- "not suitable for stock"  is BS  - my application was rejected without any meaningfull comments - and they expect i'll just send them another set w/o knowing what they're looking for?    i dont have time for guessing games with an unproven nano-stock site

 i'm willing to try new sites, and will give them awhile t meet their claims; i still have portfolios at cut, most,panther, albumo, tho none of them have sold much; i still upl to yay since the submission is easy, again, even tho sales are slow.

but it's nt worth spending a lot of time uploading when there are batch rejections.  i've stopped upl to FT for that reason, and 123 has been getting there

s



in the first place, Veer is NOT an unproven nano-stock site.
in the second place, you just said you stopped upl to FT for the same reason. so maybe you should ditch the ego and start looking for valid reasons to the rejections.
finally, even if Veer is unproven nano-stock site as you incorrectly call them, i would prefer a new and unproven site to be strict so that they can indeed produce sales , rather than have them give every tom , dick and harry 100% approval like all the previous new sites. after all, it's sales we are looking for, not 100% approval.




ego is irrelevant -- if you read my posts you'd see i SPECIFICALLY said that the images in questions were accepted and sell at the other major sites.   my complaint was when a site declares those SALABLE images to 'not be stock worthy' , it's up to them to describe what makes their reviews so different -- therwise it's just a waste of time trying to guess what they want.  a great example was LO - their reviews were almost always personalized and were definitely wrth paying attention to.  generic rejects in bulk just show lazy or underpaid reviewers

i've got no problem if a site is restrictive, the proof is in the sales.   in veer's case, they just opened, so s they can hardly be said to have a proven record in this
 particular area

s

« Reply #69 on: July 30, 2009, 21:21 »
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Actually this is the full text of the rejection I believe cascoly is referring to....

Rejection comments
Not suitable for stock lack of commercial appeal. Issues with composition, subject matter and technical quality- not quite suitable for Veer Marketplace.


I think if the rejected images were technically good then the reason should just be....not quite suitable for Veer Marketplace

The reason you quoted stated that there were issues with technical quality.

I thought cascoly was referring to one of the other ones, which simply state: "The subject matter is not suitable for Veer Marketplace" or  "The subject matter is outside of Veer Marketplace's current needs"

Sorry about that.

   right i was referring to both the veer and other generic rejections - saying it's not suitable for them is of course their right, but it'ss still pretty useless information - a simple 'rejected' would give the same info.  this is esp'ly true since most times i get one of these type of rejects, other reviewers at that site have acceted or will accept such images in the future !  and, as others have commented, i dont pay much attentin to these, and jsut move on.


s


 

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