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« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2012, 14:17 »
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Wow! This is for court!
I guess you'd need to go through the Veer user agreement with a fine toothcomb first.

Yes! Of course! But how Alamy can deactivate same image in our Alamy's portfolios?

Also, does is mean that we can receive commission only through Veer for any duplicate image?

P.S.

I found 773 of my images in "Creative Images" under my Name and Surname...  >:( >:( >:(
« Last Edit: May 16, 2012, 14:27 by borg »


ShadySue

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« Reply #51 on: May 16, 2012, 14:30 »
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Wow! This is for court!
I guess you'd need to go through the Veer user agreement with a fine toothcomb first.

Yes! Of course! But how Alamy can deactivate same image in our Alamy's portfolios?

Also, does is mean that we can receive commission only through Veer for any duplicate image?

P.S.

I found 773 of my images in "Creative Images" under my Name and Surname...  >:( >:( >:(

It does all sound like a shady deal. Luckily this particular one isn't a headache for me, but I do see that it would be if I had images on Veer, and on Alamy.

« Reply #52 on: May 16, 2012, 14:34 »
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I guess you'd need to go through the Veer user agreement with a fine toothcomb first.

It might be an idea to use a fine-tooth comb, unless the agreement has furry teeth!

« Reply #53 on: May 16, 2012, 14:39 »
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Found same image in two collections!
Under my pseudonim and in "Alamy creativity"...

So Alamy hasn't deleted duplicates yet!
« Last Edit: May 16, 2012, 14:48 by borg »

ShadySue

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« Reply #54 on: May 16, 2012, 14:48 »
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I guess you'd need to go through the Veer user agreement with a fine toothcomb first.

It might be an idea to use a fine-tooth comb, unless the agreement has furry teeth!
<Chuckle> You're right, of course.  :-[  :D

« Reply #55 on: May 16, 2012, 15:00 »
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Found same image in two collections!
Under my pseudonim and in "Alamy creativity"...

So Alamy hasn't deleted duplicates yet!
Well for me they did. I know that at least 3 images that I uploaded straight to Alamy were "moved" to their creativity pseudonym. These three images don't show up in my pseudonym anymore.

« Reply #56 on: May 16, 2012, 15:16 »
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i found 301 of mine, out of 2000 images on veer. but most of them now on alamy only have one keyword, lol, can't image how the imagine will get sold with only one keyword!
« Last Edit: May 16, 2012, 15:21 by dreamstock »

« Reply #57 on: May 16, 2012, 15:25 »
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I have 162 images there as RF that I did not upload to alamy. No idea what this means. With SS going public, Fotolia selling half it's business, istock doing what it has done and now this, I think we are screwed. We have no control or say about our images except to close shop and leave microstock which I can not afford to do.

Ed

« Reply #58 on: May 16, 2012, 15:58 »
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Here's the thing...Veer has to follow the same TOS and individual photographers (as far as I know).  Based on that information, if Veer already has the image on Alamy, and you requested that it be taken down today, that image would still be active for 45 more days per the terms of service.

« Reply #59 on: May 16, 2012, 16:29 »
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I don't have images with Veer anymore but would find this a real PO if I did.

« Reply #60 on: May 16, 2012, 16:35 »
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I find 475 of my images on Alamy under "Alamy Creativity", out of slightly above 1000 I have on Veer. Nothing has been removed from my Alamy Pseudonym yet.

xst

« Reply #61 on: May 16, 2012, 16:41 »
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everybody has to send e-mail to Veer.
They have to know the extent of dissatisfaction.


Unlike other sites - we do have more leverage with Veer because Veer is relatively low-earner. And for most of us it won't be big financial damage to drop them.

« Reply #62 on: May 16, 2012, 16:49 »
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Found same image in two collections!
Under my pseudonim and in "Alamy creativity"...

So Alamy hasn't deleted duplicates yet!
Well for me they did. I know that at least 3 images that I uploaded straight to Alamy were "moved" to their creativity pseudonym. These three images don't show up in my pseudonym anymore.
I don't believe alamy would delete images that you've uploaded without informing you.  There have been some glitches lately.  I had problems using the old manage images section with Firefox, it works OK with chrome.  Perhaps this is just a glitch and nothing to do with this Veer/alamy situation?

« Reply #63 on: May 16, 2012, 16:59 »
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If alamy are going to accept mass uploads from the microstock sites, they have to ensure that duplicates of images already uploaded by their contributors aren't accepted.  Otherwise, 20 microstock sites could upload the same image and there would be 21 of them on alamy.  So I do think that alamy are partly responsible for this mess.  Other sites have managed to block images that they already have in their collection.  They also remove images from 3rd parties when a contributor uploads directly to them.  There's no reason why alamy can't do this.

« Reply #64 on: May 16, 2012, 17:06 »
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Yep!  these PP, programs are killers and totally unpredictable. A large Swedish RF agency places pics with both Getty, Alamy and Corbis. They sell quite well actually, only the original Swedish agency has been in deep financial troubles, so no photographer have been paid for ages, in spite of their material selling well.
This is all a bunch of garbage really, ofcourse someone is making money exept the ones created the images.
Somebody I know threatened to take them to court, sure enough he was paid within 2 weeks.

Care to tell the name of this agency? I have my guesses but I would like to know for sure...

« Reply #65 on: May 16, 2012, 17:36 »
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File Size   Inches* | Cm* | Pixels   Price
68 KB   0.5 x 0.6   US $ 5.00
184 KB   0.7 x 0.9   US $ 15.00
330 KB   1.0 x 1.3   US $ 49.00
1.6 MB   2.2 x 2.8   US $ 95.00
6.8 MB   4.6 x 5.7   US $ 190.00
27.0 MB   9.2 x 11.5   US $ 245.00
*Dimensions at 300 dpi

Here is the pricing on one of my images there. How will we know of a sale? Will it post on Veer or Alamy?

velocicarpo

« Reply #66 on: May 16, 2012, 17:52 »
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It may be helpful to get some thoughts from Veer itself.

If the situation does not change I will doubtlessly remove my Portfolio from their site by next week.
I am sick and tired of this "business/partnership/lets screw contributors to the max" BS. Pure arrogancy that they do not give any option to opt out. And they are really not that important that I would care about the income.

« Reply #67 on: May 16, 2012, 17:54 »
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It may be helpful to get some thoughts from Veer itself.

If the situation does not change I will doubtlessly remove my Portfolio from their site by next week.
I am sick and tired of this "business/partnership/lets screw contributors to the max" BS. Pure arrogancy that they do not give any option to opt out. And they are really not that important that I would care about the income.
If Veer would make more than Alamy for me, we can talk about it but that's not the case (for me at least).

So the decision is clear.

Ed

« Reply #68 on: May 16, 2012, 18:18 »
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File Size   Inches* | Cm* | Pixels   Price
68 KB   0.5 x 0.6   US $ 5.00
184 KB   0.7 x 0.9   US $ 15.00
330 KB   1.0 x 1.3   US $ 49.00
1.6 MB   2.2 x 2.8   US $ 95.00
6.8 MB   4.6 x 5.7   US $ 190.00
27.0 MB   9.2 x 11.5   US $ 245.00
*Dimensions at 300 dpi

Here is the pricing on one of my images there. How will we know of a sale? Will it post on Veer or Alamy?

In likelihood, Alamy would take their 40% cut, and then Veer would take their cut.  So on that 1.6mb image - expect this...

$95 gross

$38.00 to Alamy (40%)
$45.60 to Veer (80% of what's left over)

Leaving you $11.40 net....out of that $95 gross Alamy sale.

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #69 on: May 16, 2012, 18:25 »
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File Size   Inches* | Cm* | Pixels   Price
68 KB   0.5 x 0.6   US $ 5.00
184 KB   0.7 x 0.9   US $ 15.00
330 KB   1.0 x 1.3   US $ 49.00
1.6 MB   2.2 x 2.8   US $ 95.00
6.8 MB   4.6 x 5.7   US $ 190.00
27.0 MB   9.2 x 11.5   US $ 245.00
*Dimensions at 300 dpi

Here is the pricing on one of my images there. How will we know of a sale? Will it post on Veer or Alamy?

To manage your expectations, even without Veer's cut, note the posts above in this thread which indicate that the 'rack rate' often isn't the rate actually paid.  :( Big discounts are often negotiated.


« Reply #71 on: May 16, 2012, 19:01 »
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File Size   Inches* | Cm* | Pixels   Price
68 KB   0.5 x 0.6   US $ 5.00
184 KB   0.7 x 0.9   US $ 15.00
330 KB   1.0 x 1.3   US $ 49.00
1.6 MB   2.2 x 2.8   US $ 95.00
6.8 MB   4.6 x 5.7   US $ 190.00
27.0 MB   9.2 x 11.5   US $ 245.00
*Dimensions at 300 dpi

Here is the pricing on one of my images there. How will we know of a sale? Will it post on Veer or Alamy?

In likelihood, Alamy would take their 40% cut, and then Veer would take their cut.  So on that 1.6mb image - expect this...

$95 gross

$38.00 to Alamy (40%)
$45.60 to Veer (80% of what's left over)

Leaving you $11.40 net....out of that $95 gross Alamy sale.

If I understood Veer's FAQ correctly, we only receive Veer's standard royalty and sales are reported on Veer as "standard" Veer sales.  They don't report PP sales as PP sales, only Veer sales.

« Reply #72 on: May 16, 2012, 19:01 »
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Hi all-

we're aware of this issue, and we are working with Alamy on addressment.  We will report back with more detailed information soon.

Thanks!

velocicarpo

« Reply #73 on: May 16, 2012, 19:16 »
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Hi all-

we're aware of this issue, and we are working with Alamy on addressment.  We will report back with more detailed information soon.

Thanks for the Info Ryan. Good to know that something is moving over there :-)

« Reply #74 on: May 16, 2012, 19:33 »
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Hi all-

we're aware of this issue, and we are working with Alamy on addressment.  We will report back with more detailed information soon.
This doesn't tell us how this partner deal with Alamy was originally intended to work out...

Is there a chance of providing more information about how our content is being submitted to Alamy in terms of just a small selection of a portfolio being submitted to Alamy from Veer and whether duplicates are supposed to stay on Alamy?

It would be great to hear Veer's original thoughts about this partnership with Alamy.

Most likely though, we (the contributors) will never hear those things...


 

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