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« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2009, 16:06 »
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I like the game but I think they shouldn't mix illustrations with photos. I always pick the photo for some reason.

Also they should not mix images of very different subjects.  Once I was presented a smiling-business-people photo x an excellent clean glass-window building faade.  I picked the smiling-business-people, but I am not sure that this particular image would necessarily do better than the other.  It's easy when you have two images of people, one with lighting problems and the other perfectly lit.


« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2009, 16:47 »
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I like the game but I think they shouldn't mix illustrations with photos. I always pick the photo for some reason.

Also they should not mix images of very different subjects.  Once I was presented a smiling-business-people photo x an excellent clean glass-window building faade.  I picked the smiling-business-people, but I am not sure that this particular image would necessarily do better than the other.  It's easy when you have two images of people, one with lighting problems and the other perfectly lit.
Tell me Madelaide - and you have been around for some time in stock, what is the purpose of this?
I know it can be educational and may help submitters realise what type of image sells, but why has it to appear on everyone's profile,blogs etc.

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« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2009, 17:01 »
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Tell me Madelaide - and you have been around for some time in stock, what is the purpose of this?
I know it can be educational and may help submitters realise what type of image sells, but why has it to appear on everyone's profile,blogs etc.
-Suppose it 's a slow month, something to keep our minds off no sales no views???
-Give some work to the programmers??? y'know idle minds, not good ! ha!ha! just joking .
Seriously, I don't see any use in it. If they wanted to improve keywords, they could have got the programmers to do same thing like Veer with a keyword helper.
 
Just my two bobs worth !

« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2009, 19:05 »
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Tell me Madelaide - and you have been around for some time in stock, what is the purpose of this?
I know it can be educational and may help submitters realise what type of image sells, but why has it to appear on everyone's profile,blogs etc.

I can't tell what they really want, but it's like this is meant to be a tool to teach us what sells.  Given that top contributors and even Achilles don't get it 100% right, it isn't harming to have a so-so score.  It's just for fun anyway.

« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2009, 19:43 »
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The way that sales have plummeted at DT for me makes me think that all those admins at DT should be spending their time doing something a little more constructive!!

« Reply #30 on: July 04, 2009, 02:47 »
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The way that sales have plummeted at DT for me makes me think that all those admins at DT should be spending their time doing something a little more constructive!!

Can't agree more. It's a useless feature of the site that doesn't help any sales at all. Sales have gone down considerably for me since its peak in March.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2009, 02:49 by aremafoto »

« Reply #31 on: July 04, 2009, 03:38 »
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It has a use as a training tool, as it is showing two assets with Sales v No Sales, the higher your rating the better eye for what might sell.

Some of the assets with no sales looked to have a potential for sales, but maybe not the volume needed for microstock, but if used as an acceptance guide it could lead to many similars getting through.

I am just hitting an average of 67% after 11 attempts, but some were 9 from 10 and one was 10 from 10, so there is hope for me yet.

There is some weighting, if there was a vector v a photo, more often or not the vector seemed to win, so if I started again I could play the percentages with vectors, lifestyle, people, food and isolation, but the I would not be learning anything.

David  ;) 

« Reply #32 on: July 04, 2009, 03:51 »
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To much negativity going on here about this little game.    Whats the big deal ???    How many actually thinks this is the reason for lower sales the last month? 

« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2009, 04:48 »
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To much negativity going on here about this little game.

Agreed, it looks like with the original concept it was not designed as a contributors 'Game', but as a learning tool to help or possibly test the 'inspectors' with identifing what type of assets get downloads and Sales.

If you just click away and do not take in any information then it is just a game, however some posts here have already identifed what style of assets are selling with this tool, if anyone then chooses to use that information by creating targetted new assets for their own portfolio, increasing their sales and the stocksites, then the tool has a bigger value than the original idea.

It is designed to 'help' you see how good an eye you have to identify stock assets that have sales, that should really be a positive for everyone.

David  ;)     

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« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2009, 08:53 »
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if anyone then chooses to use that information by creating targetted new assets for their own portfolio, increasing their sales and the stocksites, then the tool has a bigger value than the original idea.

It is designed to 'help' you see how good an eye you have to identify stock assets that have sales, that should really be a positive for everyone.

David  ;)     

fine points David. however, this is based on historical datas. like the real stock market, such data are never workable. in fact, actually works only in good times of bull market, and performs worst of all
in bear market. we are in the bear market now, where buyers tighten their belts. even worse, many buyers are probably sacked or laid off for their too liberal use of company's funds,this also affects stock photography, as much as pro photo sales (first hand experience here).

furthermore, as mentioned lately. to stay afloat, one must now think out of the box. competition gets stiffer, and even the Big 1 and 2 of the Big 6 cannot assume their position , without thinking of new ideas. fire the old reviewers, get some fresh minds so you can not only stay ahead of the game, but create a new slant.

we now have a new runner in the game, ie. Veer Marketplace. and the big boys are conglomerating.
Dreamstime , if their editors continue to dream (no pun intended), they are in dream world. They better wake up to the change, or else, slow summer time is going to be all for the other 3 seasons.

remember, the dinosaurs perished because they hung on to their old ways and did not see the comet coming. Dreamstime, it may be time to wake up... or else?  enough said ! ;)

update:
oh, i forgot to mentioned Istock's vetta. this promises more rewards to exclusive
to make images that stand aside from the sub priced commissions.
now, that even from someone who is not enjoying this as i am independent,
i too wish the other sites stop playing games, or creating games for us to play,
and do something similar.
enough already !
« Last Edit: July 04, 2009, 08:57 by puravida »

« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2009, 08:57 »
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It's quite easy to play.
Photo vs illustration, choose illustration.
People vs no people, chose people.
In case of people, chose the sexiest girl.
In case of 2 sexy girls, chose the simplest or isolated one.

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« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2009, 09:02 »
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It's quite easy to play.
Photo vs illustration, choose illustration.
People vs no people, chose people.
In case of people, chose the sexiest girl.
In case of 2 sexy girls, chose the simplest or isolated one.


rofl yes, and then zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (snore). turns you into zombies and you forget all about  no views no sales status...
thanks alot, but i 'd rather be sailing then play this game !

« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2009, 09:19 »
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thanks alot, but i 'd rather be sailing then play this game !

I'd rather be selling than sailing, or even better, selling while sailing.  :P

« Reply #38 on: July 04, 2009, 09:29 »
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How many actually thinks this is the reason for lower sales the last month?

Subtracting EL, I had my BME at DT last June. But I wish they imposed a size restriction on subscription, or an opt-out on it. 0.35$ for a maximum size just doesn't sound right, and when I ever upgrade to a 21-24MP cam, they will get my downsized versions.

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« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2009, 09:30 »
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thanks alot, but i 'd rather be sailing then play this game !

I'd rather be selling than sailing, or even better, selling while sailing.  :P

lol, true , true ! but why not sailing and make potential  images for Vetta ?
more rewarding, more prospective, more constructive,.. than playing the DT stock rank game ;)

« Reply #40 on: July 04, 2009, 09:37 »
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thanks alot, but i 'd rather be sailing then play this game !

I'd rather be selling than sailing, or even better, selling while sailing.  :P

lol, true , true ! but why not sailing and make potential  images for Vetta ?
more rewarding, more prospective, more constructive,.. than playing the DT stock rank game ;)

Puravida, as usual stirring the pot !  Still I have to admit you do say meaningful things that bear consideration. I am indeed pondering much about what you said [re: Vetta]

« Reply #41 on: July 04, 2009, 09:46 »
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fine points David. however, this is based on historical datas. like the real stock market, such data are never workable.
Puravia,
Thanks for your comments, it is good to get another perspective on trends, my view on things and my opinions are slightly different though, in times of recession people play safe and hanker for the 'good old days', within the toy industry more traditional family games often become good sellers and make a comeback, new games for an existing console often do better than new consoles and games, many people I know are looking to their comfort zones, traditional, country, domestic holidays, home, family life, days out, community events etc:, and they are playing safer with purchases, to me historical data can be a friend in these times.

What is selling well before and now may continue to do so, if I was planning a shoot for thanksgiving October 12th, November 26th or Christmas images 25th December, then I would think about comfort zones and a traditional family theame, steady and traditional images to protect revenue first, then maybe some feel good out the box concept shots, once I have the bread and butter images uploaded. ;D

David (IMHO) :)  
« Last Edit: July 04, 2009, 09:51 by Adeptris »

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« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2009, 11:56 »
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fine points David. however, this is based on historical datas. like the real stock market, such data are never workable.
Puravia,
Thanks for your comments, it is good to get another perspective on trends, my view on things and my opinions are slightly different though, in times of recession people play safe and hanker for the 'good old days', within the toy industry more traditional family games often become good sellers and make a comeback, new games for an existing console often do better than new consoles and games, many people I know are looking to their comfort zones, traditional, country, domestic holidays, home, family life, days out, community events etc:, and they are playing safer with purchases, to me historical data can be a friend in these times.

What is selling well before and now may continue to do so, if I was planning a shoot for thanksgiving October 12th, November 26th or Christmas images 25th December, then I would think about comfort zones and a traditional family theame, steady and traditional images to protect revenue first, then maybe some feel good out the box concept shots, once I have the bread and butter images uploaded. ;D

David (IMHO) :)   

once again fine points David. i can see where you sit in the real stock market ie. bonds, 70/30 mix long term works out. i am in the contrarian school and sell when the horde buys and v.v.
it's good to hear another's point of view, i think somewhere in between our two points is a safe bet to do well in micro stock ;)     for me, since i don't rely on stock photos for a living, i am better with the
out of the box. let's wish each other success, regardless of our paths.

p.s.
in your point of comfort levels, you said old ways work best. trad is old ways too, don't forget that.
good old days go further back to trad then micro ;)

vonkara

« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2009, 15:25 »
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« Reply #44 on: July 05, 2009, 00:00 »
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The game is great, I average around 70% and am always kicking myself when I choose the wrong answer. They already had the game, so didn't really spend any resources in sharing it with us. I personally think that microstock should be fun. This year I'm not getting too much joy with Dt, over the last 2 months I've been getting an 80% rejection rate. Alas, it seems my photography is getting worse. However, sales remain steady. Maybe the game is perfect for people like me, I go to the site and instead of trying to get my photos online, I just play the game instead.

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« Reply #45 on: July 05, 2009, 17:51 »
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The game is great, I average around 70% and am always kicking myself when I choose the wrong answer. They already had the game, so didn't really spend any resources in sharing it with us. I personally think that microstock should be fun. This year I'm not getting too much joy with Dt, over the last 2 months I've been getting an 80% rejection rate. Alas, it seems my photography is getting worse. However, sales remain steady. Maybe the game is perfect for people like me, I go to the site and instead of trying to get my photos online, I just play the game instead.

lol Komar, don't encourage the big wigs at DT . if you want fun, join flickr, facebook,lavalife, etc.. or else soon, you will see DT also moving out of selling images for you and just being interested in free images and traffic.



« Reply #48 on: July 07, 2009, 07:06 »
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Two suggestions that could make this game more useful, and less "just a game"
a) Give the player an opportunity to see all twenty pictures after he has finished, so he can rethink and decide why he was wrong. Maybe make these pictures clickable, so the player can go to the pictures page and study age, number of downloads, or even buy a file ;)

b) As several others in the thread have suggested; compare similar files, not random. It is more likely that a photographer can find ideas to improve her photography skills, than that she will switch to illustration.

« Reply #49 on: July 07, 2009, 07:14 »
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b) As several others in the thread have suggested; compare similar files, not random. It is more likely that a photographer can find ideas to improve her photography skills, than that she will switch to illustration.

The most clever game would be that you can predefine a set like in a regular search operation, like limited to photos, not illustrations - and with keywords. Pairs should be made at random but with equal age on the site out of the search result set. The guess should be which of the pair sold most. That would be a real life situation, like a decision a buyer makes.


 

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