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Quote from: Zero Talent on October 09, 2019, 08:59

https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/13884.pdf

I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, in order
to take additional steps with respect to the national emergency declared
in Executive Order 13692 of March 8, 2015 (Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela),
as amended, as relied upon for additional steps taken in subsequent Executive
Orders, and in light of the continued usurpation of power by Nicolas Maduro
and persons affiliated with him, as well as human rights abuses, including
arbitrary or unlawful arrest and detention of Venezuelan citizens, interference
with freedom of expression, including for members of the media, and ongoing
attempts to undermine Interim President Juan Guaido and the Venezuelan
National Assembly�s exercise of legitimate authority in Venezuela, hereby
order:


Speaking about human rights abuses, arbitrary and unlawful arrests and detention, etc, etc, he has no problems with the Saudi King and his government killing American residents, chopping and dissolving their bodies... 

The Nicolas Maduro government is very ruthless with the opposition. Same as the government of former President Hugo Chavez. Something I don't understand is why apply sanctions to people who are not part of the  Nicolas Maduro government.

so why russian contributor are let do business with usa company _ is the same situation even worst considering russia has invaded a country, there are already tons of  economic penalty regarding russian activities, russi is the same political dictatorship country.

Quote from: jonbull on October 09, 2019, 09:10

so why russian contributor are let do business with usa company _ is the same situation even worst considering russia has invaded a country, there are already tons of  economic penalty regarding russian activities, russi is the same political dictatorship country.

https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/13884.pdf

I, DONALD J. TRUMP, President of the United States of America, in order
to take additional steps with respect to the national emergency declared
in Executive Order 13692 of March 8, 2015 (Blocking Property and Suspending Entry of Certain Persons Contributing to the Situation in Venezuela),
as amended, as relied upon for additional steps taken in subsequent Executive
Orders, and in light of the continued usurpation of power by Nicolas Maduro
and persons affiliated with him, as well as human rights abuses, including
arbitrary or unlawful arrest and detention of Venezuelan citizens, interference
with freedom of expression, including for members of the media, and ongoing
attempts to undermine Interim President Juan Guaido and the Venezuelan
National Assembly�s exercise of legitimate authority in Venezuela, hereby
order:


Speaking about human rights abuses, arbitrary and unlawful arrests and detention, etc, etc, he has no problems with the Saudi King and his government killing American residents, chopping and dissolving their bodies... 

It is sad for Venezuela...Socialism at its finest or should I say at its worst. It our Dems in America win they are the new Socialist as they even state and brag about it these days. Look at Venezuela and for me I want no part of Socialism. As a side note I have done a lot of conceptual Socialism photos and they are selling very well. Some are pro and most are Anti....each sells but the anti sells the best. .

Quote from: mj007 on October 09, 2019, 12:49

It is sad for Venezuela...Socialism at its finest or should I say at its worst. It our Dems in America win they are the new Socialist as they even state and brag about it these days. Look at Venezuela and for me I want no part of Socialism. As a side note I have done a lot of conceptual Socialism photos and they are selling very well. Some are pro and most are Anti....each sells but the anti sells the best. .

Would you accept disbanding social security for seniors, medicare for seniors? .

Quote from: mj007 on October 09, 2019, 12:49

It is sad for Venezuela...Socialism at its finest or should I say at its worst. It our Dems in America win they are the new Socialist as they even state and brag about it these days. Look at Venezuela and for me I want no part of Socialism. As a side note I have done a lot of conceptual Socialism photos and they are selling very well. Some are pro and most are Anti....each sells but the anti sells the best. .

Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about.  America is a county of social programs - fire, police, parks, schools, libraries, etc. etc. where society works together to provide something all can use.  Discussing adding another program like universal healthcare should not be a trigger for you to run around going "SOOOOCIAALYZZMMMM!!!! BADDDDD!!!!! VENEZUELAAAAAAZZZ!!!".  Democratic socialism is far different from what they have in Venezuela as well as it is their government that is the cause of most issues.

I don't know who mj007 is or where he/she lives, but I have noticed that it's usually people who live in the taker states and use our "socialist" programs the most who yell the loudest about "socialism." I rarely hear anything about fear of "socialism" from the giver states that pay the most in federal taxes and prop up the taker states...in fact, we're willing to pay a little more for the betterment of society, and that includes helping the "socialists" who are currently using up the tax dollars we're already donating to them but are simultaneously terribly afraid of so-called "socialism."

Quote from: mj007 on October 09, 2019, 16:05

I do know what I am talking about. Sean try paying 70% of tax on what your income is. That is what the New Socialist Dems want. They have even stated that amount. Comrade Bernie will need at least 70 % to pay for all your student loans, free college for future student ,free heath care for all including illegals. 70% may in truth be low for the Socialist Dems. Yes I forgot the New Green Deal. You will not be able to use anything but solar or wind power. Who will pay for this yo Sean..it is Socialism.     

Literally none of what you said is correct.  Again, sorry.  It's like I'm reading one of the crazy emails my relatives send me.

No, none of that is fact.  You made the claim, you provide proof.  That's how an argument works.  For instance, if I say "Unicorns are real", I don't rely on you to confirm the statement.  It's my job to back it up.

What you did, was cobble together bits and pieces from here and there with some incorrect numbers and claim it as some vague party platform.  It isn't.

So, stop running around waving hands in the air crying out SOOOCCCIALZZYMMMMM!!!! - it just looks silly.