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« Reply #50 on: October 14, 2020, 17:41 »
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When I go to the doctor, the first thing they ask me--"Who is your insurance carrier"?  No insurance you will not get service ist class. So, why should I not get paid for my creative work?  I am a professional musician (Trumpet) and a retired music professor with a PHD in music and also the Ist Grand Prize winner in the Smithsonian Magazine Photocontest.  To make the story short.  What goes around comes around.  So don't worry be happy.---Oscar Williams--Karma is a Bit##.

Thanks for writing Oscar. I think you may have misunderstood the announcement and FAQ. Your work is not being given away for free. There is a select number of artists that were invited to participate in the free collection. These participating contributors were paid in advance for the temporary use of their content in the free collection.

Any time content is downloaded from your portfolio, you will receive a royalty as has always been the case.

If anyone missed the original link to the details of the program and how it impacts contributors from my original post, here it is again: https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/free-collection-contributor-information.html

Thanks again,

Mat


« Reply #51 on: October 14, 2020, 17:59 »
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Clearly everyone's work will not be free. But if I read correctly at 100 download images a day for free it will effect many of the sellers work. I guess it will help photoshop users as they can get images off the cloud for free. That is a great deal in creating work on Photoshop. (Free)  Sounds like a good deal for Photoshop and maybe not so good for stock image creators. 

« Reply #52 on: October 14, 2020, 18:02 »
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Clearly everyone's work will not be free. But if I read correctly at 100 download images a day for free it will effect many of the sellers work. I guess it will help photoshop users as they can get images off the cloud for free. That is a great deal in creating work on Photoshop. (Free)  Sounds like a good deal for Photoshop and maybe not so good for stock image creators.

Of course time will tell but I hope to prove you wrong about the impact on contributors.

Thanks for the comments,

Mat

« Reply #53 on: October 14, 2020, 18:20 »
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Matt I do have a question. Why did Adobe choice 100 free downloads a day. That seems excessive to me. For free not to hurt stock contributors the 100 free images a day seems a lot. If someone wanted to create a free image collection they could conceivably get 36,400 images a year. In my opinion maybe 5 free images a day would be a better number. Then I am just an image maker and not the owner of Adobe. I do own some Wall Street stock in Adobe which has made some money for me....maybe this will get the Wall street Adobe stock growing....A full glass if you look at it in the right light.     

« Reply #54 on: October 14, 2020, 18:24 »
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Matt I do have a question. Why did Adobe choice 100 free downloads a day. That seems excessive to me. For free not to hurt stock contributors the 100 free images a day seems a lot. If someone wanted to create a free image collection they could conceivably get 36,400 images a year. In my opinion maybe 5 free images a day would be a better number. Then I am just an image maker and not the owner of Adobe. I do own some Wall Street stock in Adobe which has made some money for me....maybe this will get the Wall street Adobe stock growing....A full glass if you look at it in the right light.   

I don't know the answer to that question. It's a starting point that will likely evolve as the customer behavior data rolls in. I don't have enough information right now to have an informed opinion on the number of downloads allowed in a day but I'll keep you posted as I learn more.

-Mat

« Reply #55 on: October 14, 2020, 18:26 »
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Matt thanks, a fair answer. I do hope they lower the 100 a day...

« Reply #56 on: October 14, 2020, 19:39 »
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Hi Matt,
I like adobe but this was tried so many times without success. usually it ends bad to contributors.
But i got idea that i like to share: Adobe pays me 1 year salary and i work 1 year for adobe. Like sw engineers work, my work becomes Adobe property. I don't write code but i write with light so during that period i do exclusive whatever footage/images adobe wants and company can sell/give it away to clients. It could be an alternative, no?
regards

« Reply #57 on: October 15, 2020, 00:37 »
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Where do I exactly find that free collection. Been looking for it but could not see it anywhere.

As for the news I've stopped bothering because I know where to get all the Adobe software for free as well. So you sabotage our work and I sabotage yours. I think it's fair.

« Reply #58 on: October 15, 2020, 01:04 »
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I've seen a number of tongue-in-cheek comments here about Adobe giving away software. I would like to remind you that we have given away tens of thousands of complimentary subscriptions through the Adobe Stock contributor Bonus Progam over the past couple of years and that we are continuing the tradition again with the 2020 program. So to answer your specific question... yes, for productive contributors Adobe is giving away a free app each year.

Mat, I think your comparison is lacking. I appreciate very much that Adobe is having the bonus programm. It's a nice bonus, but it's not "given away for free". It's tied to a condition. The condition that we contributors manage to sell a certain amount of images or footage and therefore the condition is that we earn Adobe a certain amount of money. We earn you money, you give us a bonus for that.
The proper comparison to the free image collection would be: If a customer downloads 100 paid images, he gets 1 image for free. That would be a more accurate comparison. He earns you money, he gets a bonus in return. That's how our bonus program works.  But you are giving away free images without any conditions. The "customer" doesn't have to do anything to get the free images, while we contributors have to earn you money to get the "free" softwear. Two rather different things, don't you think?


My overall opinion on this free image collection is: I do believe Adobe did this with a good intention and not to screw contributors over. After all, if we don't benefit from this, neither do they, so they really believe it will boost sales.
However, I believe the selection of free images is way too large and don't think it will have the desired effect of more paid customers.  I have a fear it might be the opposite. With such a huge collection of free high quaity images, I don't think people who usually don't pay for images will be motivated to do so now. It just means more free content to pick from for them after all. But people who have paid for images in the past might think "Why should I pay if they give away so many great pictures for free?". Other stock agencies have one free image a week or even month, not thousands of them.

I hope Adobe will monitor customer behavior closely in regards of whether peope who get free content also start buying paid content and will make the right decision to back down from this whole free collection again if they see that it does not work out as intended and I hope that by then the damage done won't be too big. People who have gotten used to getting high quality work for free will have a hard time adjusting to the thought that they should pay for it again and might just search elsewhere for free images instead of getting back to paying for content.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2020, 06:22 by Firn »

« Reply #59 on: October 15, 2020, 01:18 »
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Good news for the fortunate few added to the collection bad for the rest of us. Its really that simple. I can't really understand Adobe paying for images with actual money in the hope someone looking for free images will decide to pay for others. Sounds like a desperate gamble to me.

"We expect this collection will help educate and convert users of free content into responsible buyers," I expect it will educate users that there is free content out there and if they can't find what they want on Adobe they will look elsewhere.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2020, 01:47 by Pauws99 »

« Reply #60 on: October 15, 2020, 01:34 »
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All this will do is is hijack sales from the non free content at AS. Pond5 removed the web size format because the cheaper format was hijacking sales from the higher priced HD sales there, their data showed untapped sales potential of $millions, and this is a similar scenario. Tom Spota did a similar venture at SS some time ago when he was employed at SS, buying clips outright from contributors to sell cheap on their site and their partner sites, they only wanted clips that had sold constantly over the time it was live on the SS system, this was to try and curb the prevalence of the rise of the cheaper stock sites out there, it didn't work. For this to be implemented with issues that has already been raised by Jo Ann Snover, it appears to me as being a rushed and ill thought out concept or that it's conclusion is a marketing gimmick for Adobes CC photography software.

 "subscribe to our CC and and have access to 100 free high quality stock photos, vectors etc per day!"

Video clips will be next folks.

Never fall for marketing speak, it's a twin to political speak.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2020, 01:50 by CHDigitalMedia »

« Reply #61 on: October 15, 2020, 02:03 »
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Thanks for stepping up and explaining the news to us. Unfortunately this is not good news for contributors. It is a key for survival for Adobe (that we should remember has their main business model in licensing software and not selling stock). Every other site is lowering the bar, cutting commissions and giving away for nothing or peanuts. I get it, we are all in survival mode.

I would like my opinion on the only way out I see and have seen since many years. The dreaded word for many -exclusivity- of content. Right now the main differentiation is service but content is the same everywhere. A license can give a little more, search engine can be a little better but the apples are the same brand wherever you go. This will put always the ball on the buyers roof and not sellers. Monopolies and unique designs thrive for a reason, the handlebar is controlled by sellers.

I think agencies like Getty have known this for years, new ones like Stocksy got this from the beginning, Pond5 is also realizing that stopping the race to bottom prices the content has to be available only by one distributor. Shutterstock opted to cut prices(subs) and now commissions to contributors, others now are digging deeper in free content but this is not going to work, it might attract a few extra sales but it will definitely do more harm that good.

If Adobe or any other agency wants to start to have control over their pricing, content has to be the main differentiating point. When that is the case for most agencies, we might somewhere in the future regain reasonable prices for creative content.

JaenStock

  • Bad images can sell.
« Reply #62 on: October 15, 2020, 02:30 »
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This only works for customer that never will pay for any photo.  When stockphoto is not profitable more, i dont need photoshop, gimball, expensive lenses or camera...

Is a wrong move. Only benefit big people...

« Reply #63 on: October 15, 2020, 03:13 »
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Current customers who already know and use AdobeStock now have a free option. I find it very hard to believe that the loss of sales for us will be compensated by increased customers who currently use free sites and magically see the light of paying for content. Perhaps more likely will be new customers from other microstock sites where we will lose sales I wonder if this is this really about competition between microstock sites where anything we may (or may not) gain is lost elsewhere.

« Reply #64 on: October 15, 2020, 03:25 »
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I just checked this free section.

If the purpose of this was to drive customers towards the paying collection, the search results would include some paying images. This is so obvious to everyone here that the lack of paying images in the search can't be an error.

I'm afraid that the real purpose of this free section is a test to something else. Probably something like all our images free for Adobe sofware suscribers (with may be a paying premium collection).

This is really bad news.

« Reply #65 on: October 15, 2020, 03:31 »
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After running away from iStock and, not so long ago Shutterstock, maybe it's time to run away from Adobe Stock as well, and all the crap from Microsctock ...

« Reply #66 on: October 15, 2020, 03:44 »
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This step only damage the marketability of paid content even at other microstock agencies. Free content will cannibalize from paid content, and ultimately simply harms the content creators. This kind of promotion has never excelled in functionality for all involved. The functional model is the one that offers: Buy YX amount and get XY for free. But if you offer almost 70k free stuff(and allow 100 downloads per day) without any further restriction, where is the motivation for buying paid content? Among the 70k free stuff, there is almost always something that can be used instead of paid content. This does not provide a better chance of gaining a new buyers of paid content, but on the contrary, this step can dramatically reduce sales of paid content. And what is worse, not only at Adobe, but very simply it can hit sales on other microstock agencies. Adobe alone can make a profit from it, but for creators this can be a total disaster. I would very much like to be wrong in this regard but unfortunately this will probably not be the case.

I don't want to be a negativist, but if the sales of the creators will fall down thanks to this(a lot of creators are already affected by current events in the world), so many do not even qualify for the free Adobe CC products. Thus, creators' spending will increase again, while revenues are flying sharply down.

I feel sad as I watch where the entire microstock market is heading.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2020, 03:50 by Rumlik »

fotorob

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« Reply #67 on: October 15, 2020, 04:26 »
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@MatHayward

Is there any download limit per day/week? Can someone download all 70.000 assets without any time limit if they want?

@theendup...yes, there is a download limit. For customers without a paid subscription or credits, they are limited to a maximum of 100 downloads per day. This number is subject to change as we gather more data on customer behavior.

Thanks for the question.

-Mat

100 free downloads a day? That is way too much, I'd limit that to about 10 images per day. Whoever needs more images per day should be able to pay for it.

« Reply #68 on: October 15, 2020, 05:14 »
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So let me ask, if I am getting this right:

-> Any one with a CC account (I myself use a Photoshop/Lightroom account) is now able to download 100 images per day with each image covering the full lifetime commercial use license? Do those free images cover extended license as well?

« Reply #69 on: October 15, 2020, 05:15 »
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Good news for the fortunate few added to the collection bad for the rest of us. Its really that simple. I can't really understand Adobe paying for images with actual money in the hope someone looking for free images will decide to pay for others. Sounds like a desperate gamble to me.

"We expect this collection will help educate and convert users of free content into responsible buyers," I expect it will educate users that there is free content out there and if they can't find what they want on Adobe they will look elsewhere.
It doesn't make sense for me either. It's like reeducating a thief by giving him more free stuff of even better quality than he's used to. I know the agencies are getting desperate seeing the current trend towards "all for free" media but going ways that are proven not to work is just so silly and uninspired.

« Reply #70 on: October 15, 2020, 05:18 »
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Video clips will be next folks.
From the original Adobe email: "The collection will initially include a limited set of 70,000 free photos, vectors, illustrations, and videos now available on Adobe Stock."

Videos are already included (see image)
« Last Edit: October 15, 2020, 05:26 by JustAnImage »

« Reply #71 on: October 15, 2020, 05:31 »
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So when you sign up as a customer, can you simply sign up for a free account and just download free images, or do you have to also have a paid plan to get access? I can understand a small free section, as a promotion to paying customers, but not as an alternative to purchasing a plan. Wouldn't it be so much better to offer a 'buy 5, get one free' kind of deal?

Agree with the others that 100 free images a day is way too many but, if Adobe have already struck a deal, (and paid contributors to include free images), then they have already crunched the numbers to calculate the financial benefits to them. They are unlikely to change one of the variables any time soon.

I had really hoped that Adobe would rise above all the 'great news' Microstock deals. As a company with a more diverse offering, they are better placed than the pure microstock sites in these difficult times.

But, it's tough times for all of us, and it would be so much easier to deal with all of this  if the companies recognised the value of contributors and their assets. Adobe has been the best at this for quite some time, so let's hope they don't go down the slippery slope of forgetting who provides them with a product to sell, (or give away).

« Reply #72 on: October 15, 2020, 05:40 »
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Thanks JustAnImage

The same stunt Tom Spota pulled when he was at ShutterStock, and it seems he is doing the same thing again at Adobe Stock, it's no coincidence that Adobe stopped support for their stock on Twitter either, seeing how the storm developed with ShutterGate. All to drive more traffic to their software subscription, nothing to do with driving more sales towards the stock side. Again if it was to drive more sales towards stock, they would have included paid content along with the free stock landing page, not after the fact, this is Adobe not a third rate website, marketing is their speciality. And this must have been discussed and planned long before it was implemented.

Again these free stock assets will have been picked because they are good sellers in the paid market, reduces the risk of Adobe losing out, and raises the risk of us losing out.

As it has been said before in this thread, it's all smoke and mirrors.

Noedelhap

  • www.colincramm.com

« Reply #73 on: October 15, 2020, 07:19 »
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What a depressing news. It has been said countless times before, but:

STOP DEVALUING OUR WORK! Customers already consider graphics and video as something cheap. Don't push it further.

Any attempt to drive traffic using free content sends the wrong message that photos/vectors/video are a cheap commodity, cheap to produce and that artists are only hobbyists doing it for fun and exposure.

However agencies refuse to listen to us, because THEIR revenue, their traffic and their shareholders are more important than the artists.
This once againshows that not a single agency out there is our friend, and they're all in it for themselves, not for the artists.

Noedelhap

  • www.colincramm.com

« Reply #74 on: October 15, 2020, 07:37 »
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I've seen a number of tongue-in-cheek comments here about Adobe giving away software. I would like to remind you that we have given away tens of thousands of complimentary subscriptions through the Adobe Stock contributor Bonus Progam over the past couple of years and that we are continuing the tradition again with the 2020 program. So to answer your specific question... yes, for productive contributors Adobe is giving away a free app each year.

Not wanting to sound ungrateful for two years of free subscription on Adobe CC, but to be eligible we all had to actively produce and upload content to meet the requirements. So Adobe didn't really give it away for free, they received much more content and thus more revenue from active contributors.


 

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