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wds

« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2022, 11:27 »
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Hello. How will PNG files with white objects be displayed? For example snowflakes.

Content will not be differentiated based on color. The background will be white.

Thanks,

Mat Hayward

Mat, a suggestion. It might be more useful or user friendly if the transparent background displayed as a grey checkerboard, similar to the way Photoshop would show "transparency".


« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2022, 11:55 »
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Hello. How will PNG files with white objects be displayed? For example snowflakes.

Content will not be differentiated based on color. The background will be white.

Thanks,

Mat Hayward

Mat, a suggestion. It might be more useful or user friendly if the transparent background displayed as a grey checkerboard, similar to the way Photoshop would show "transparency".

This is a great suggestio and I've just received confirmation that once PNG downloads are live in the customer facing site, the thumbnails will be displayed with checkered backgrounds for the exact reason you noted. This should be complete in plenty of time before snowflakes are trending in sales.

The white backgrounds you see now are in place to help ensure your uploads can be sold as JPG files until the PNG feature is launched.

Thanks for the feedback,

Mat Hayward

« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2022, 13:59 »
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Hello. How will PNG files with white objects be displayed? For example snowflakes.

Content will not be differentiated based on color. The background will be white.

If you look at how Adobe Stock displays 3D content - with a gray background with a perspective grid to show the surface on which the object sits - that approach allows display of everything clearly, both the objects and the transparency. Couldn't something similar to that work for PNGs?

On the Mac, if you view (in the Finder) a PNG file, it has a nice semi-transparent gray background. In Photoshop, you see the checkerboard background to indicate transparency. There are probably other examples already out there.

Seems a shame to obliterate white transparent objects by putting everything in a PNG on a white background...

wds

« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2022, 14:02 »
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Hello. How will PNG files with white objects be displayed? For example snowflakes.

Content will not be differentiated based on color. The background will be white.

If you look at how Adobe Stock displays 3D content - with a gray background with a perspective grid to show the surface on which the object sits - that approach allows display of everything clearly, both the objects and the transparency. Couldn't something similar to that work for PNGs?

On the Mac, if you view (in the Finder) a PNG file, it has a nice semi-transparent gray background. In Photoshop, you see the checkerboard background to indicate transparency. There are probably other examples already out there.

Seems a shame to obliterate white transparent objects by putting everything in a PNG on a white background...

Jo Ann, did you see Mat's response to my post just above yours? Apparently they will have a Photoshop style checkerboard for the transparent background.

« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2022, 16:28 »
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Jo Ann, did you see Mat's response to my post just above yours? Apparently they will have a Photoshop style checkerboard for the transparent background.

Oops - missed that. But it's great news it will show transparency

« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2022, 16:34 »
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Jo Ann, did you see Mat's response to my post just above yours? Apparently they will have a Photoshop style checkerboard for the transparent background.

Oops - missed that. But it's great news it will show transparency

Yes, it should work out well. I confirmed the decision to use white backgrounds on the JPG files now was intentional. Isolated objects on white backgrounds tend to sell better than they do on gray backgrounds.

Mat

« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2022, 21:39 »
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I haven't submitted there in a while, but when I used to submit PNGs with a transparent background to Canva they wanted a jpeg of the file with the metadata.  Not sure if they still do that.  Is there a way to include metadata with a PNG or will it need to be added manually?  If I understand this thread correctly, we can now go ahead and submit those PNGs to Adobe even if the jpeg was accepted long ago, but in the future should only submit the PNG and it will be converted to jpeg.  If that is the case then I have quite a few PNGs that could be submitted right away.  I got into Canva pretty early and am glad I did because I make more there than anywhere else.  I assume Adobe wants a piece of that action which will be a good move for them.

« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2022, 21:57 »
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If you save the PNG from Photoshop (and your metadata is entered there), it is preserved. You need to use the Save a Copy feature, not Export As (which only preserves some metadata when you tell it to include metadata).

« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2022, 09:18 »
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Thank you for your answers and suggestions.

« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2022, 12:21 »
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If you save the PNG from Photoshop (and your metadata is entered there), it is preserved. You need to use the Save a Copy feature, not Export As (which only preserves some metadata when you tell it to include metadata).

OK, thanks.  I thought I did it that way and it didn't work - will try uploading a few and will see what happens.

« Reply #35 on: August 12, 2022, 17:43 »
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Hi Matt, Im uploading PNGs through lightroom but they are showing up as jpegs on the contributor portal, should I not use the lightroom uploader for PNG files? Thanks

« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2022, 09:29 »
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Jo Ann, did you see Mat's response to my post just above yours? Apparently they will have a Photoshop style checkerboard for the transparent background.

Oops - missed that. But it's great news it will show transparency

Yes, it should work out well. I confirmed the decision to use white backgrounds on the JPG files now was intentional. Isolated objects on white backgrounds tend to sell better than they do on gray backgrounds.

Mat

As the contributor, I am interested: will the price for PNG be higher than the price for JPG? Will we get more for PNG?


« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2022, 11:15 »
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Hi Matt, Im uploading PNGs through lightroom but they are showing up as jpegs on the contributor portal, should I not use the lightroom uploader for PNG files? Thanks

This is a good question. If you see JPEG under the recent upload in the dashboard section then no, should not use LRC to upload the PNG. I'm not 100% on this, but I have a strong suspicion this will be the case. Try uploading direct in the portal to see the difference in the dashboard. Thanks for this question. If I learn differently, I'll be sure to update here.

-Mat Hayward

« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2022, 11:16 »
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Jo Ann, did you see Mat's response to my post just above yours? Apparently they will have a Photoshop style checkerboard for the transparent background.

Oops - missed that. But it's great news it will show transparency

Yes, it should work out well. I confirmed the decision to use white backgrounds on the JPG files now was intentional. Isolated objects on white backgrounds tend to sell better than they do on gray backgrounds.

Mat

As the contributor, I am interested: will the price for PNG be higher than the price for JPG? Will we get more for PNG?

The price and royalty structure remains the same for all images regardless of file type. Thanks for the question.

Mat Hayward

« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2022, 12:07 »
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Thanks for the updates on the new feature Mat...but it is Saturday... surely you're allowed to take a break from work?!?!  I think you've earned a pint or two... ;D

« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2022, 12:55 »
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Hello Mat, would it be possible (at some point) to implement a fix so that we can upload our existing jpegs along with PNGs for the purpose of automatically generating the IPTC info of the files?

Although I see the PNG uploads as a good opportunity, adding metadata manually to 5000+ PNG illustrations feels like an impossible task.

edit: btw, I am going to generate the PNGs from existing EPS files automatically and my existing EPS files don't have any metadata. Even if I batch export (from EPS to PNG) I would first need to manually add metadata to all my EPS files.
« Last Edit: August 14, 2022, 13:01 by cidepix »

« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2022, 22:09 »
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I got into Canva pretty early and am glad I did because I make more there than anywhere else. 

Yep, same here.

« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2022, 07:24 »
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Mat, something just occured to me - I submitted some png files and today one of them was sold. But if these images are now not sold as transparent pngs, but jpgs to the customers, isn't it highly misleading to them, when they have "transparent" in title and keywors? At least the keyword "transparent" is automatically filled in by adobe when submitting a png file. Wouldn't it be better to hide them from customers alltogether, till Adobe is ready to launch them as pngs instead of selling them as jpgs while claiming they were transparent?

« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2022, 11:58 »
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I got into Canva pretty early and am glad I did because I make more there than anywhere else. 


Yep, same here.  Canva is close to my SS sales each month and about 3x AS

« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2022, 10:30 »
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Mat, something just occured to me - I submitted some png files and today one of them was sold. But if these images are now not sold as transparent pngs, but jpgs to the customers, isn't it highly misleading to them, when they have "transparent" in title and keywors? At least the keyword "transparent" is automatically filled in by adobe when submitting a png file. Wouldn't it be better to hide them from customers alltogether, till Adobe is ready to launch them as pngs instead of selling them as jpgs while claiming they were transparent?

That's exactly how it is with me, Firn. I have uploaded a few png files - online since two days. The same images are also available in my portfolio as jpg with white background. And now the first of the png images has been sold.

I too see the danger that buyers might feel fooled when they realize that the images are not clipped at all.

Mat, what do the buyers actually get? A jpg or a png?

« Reply #45 on: August 16, 2022, 11:03 »
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Mat, something just occured to me - I submitted some png files and today one of them was sold. But if these images are now not sold as transparent pngs, but jpgs to the customers, isn't it highly misleading to them, when they have "transparent" in title and keywors? At least the keyword "transparent" is automatically filled in by adobe when submitting a png file. Wouldn't it be better to hide them from customers alltogether, till Adobe is ready to launch them as pngs instead of selling them as jpgs while claiming they were transparent?

That's exactly how it is with me, Firn. I have uploaded a few png files - online since two days. The same images are also available in my portfolio as jpg with white background. And now the first of the png images has been sold.

I too see the danger that buyers might feel fooled when they realize that the images are not clipped at all.

Mat, what do the buyers actually get? A jpg or a png?

For now, these files are only available as JPG on the customer facing site. Once the feature is launched, they can download PNG files.

Thank you for the feedback,

Mat

« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2022, 11:24 »
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I have question Mat
I have already uploaded many vector files , Is it possible to upload them again in PNG with the same title and keywords ?
I suggest that we be allowed to upload a single Zip file that contains Ai, EPS , JPG and also PNG 

« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2022, 11:37 »
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Mat, something just occured to me - I submitted some png files and today one of them was sold. But if these images are now not sold as transparent pngs, but jpgs to the customers, isn't it highly misleading to them, when they have "transparent" in title and keywors? At least the keyword "transparent" is automatically filled in by adobe when submitting a png file. Wouldn't it be better to hide them from customers alltogether, till Adobe is ready to launch them as pngs instead of selling them as jpgs while claiming they were transparent?

That's exactly how it is with me, Firn. I have uploaded a few png files - online since two days. The same images are also available in my portfolio as jpg with white background. And now the first of the png images has been sold.

I too see the danger that buyers might feel fooled when they realize that the images are not clipped at all.

Mat, what do the buyers actually get? A jpg or a png?

For now, these files are only available as JPG on the customer facing site. Once the feature is launched, they can download PNG files.

Thank you for the feedback,

Mat

Thanks for this... noticed that they were showing as jpg on the customer side but PNG on my portfolio.

I presume this won't have a negative impact on the actual jpgs files that exist already. It wouldn't be ideal if the jpgs to competed with the already established successful files. Do we have an approx time scale in terms of when the PNG service will be activated?

Thanks

« Reply #48 on: August 16, 2022, 12:00 »
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I have a few hundred object isolations in my portfolio so I did a couple of tests.  The PNG renditions from my photoshop/raw files yielded tiff sized results.  I had to reduce image size a bit to get them below 45 megs.  Reworked jpeg results were far smaller - about 5 megs.  Is higher res/less compression a selling point for the PNGs?  If so will 45 megs remain the limit? 

Overall it would take quite a bit of effort to rework a few hundred files.  (I tend to polish as I go.)  I'm wondering if it will be worth the time.  If so.. I'd like to get started. 


« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2022, 12:17 »
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Mat, something just occured to me - I submitted some png files and today one of them was sold. But if these images are now not sold as transparent pngs, but jpgs to the customers, isn't it highly misleading to them, when they have "transparent" in title and keywors? At least the keyword "transparent" is automatically filled in by adobe when submitting a png file. Wouldn't it be better to hide them from customers alltogether, till Adobe is ready to launch them as pngs instead of selling them as jpgs while claiming they were transparent?

That's exactly how it is with me, Firn. I have uploaded a few png files - online since two days. The same images are also available in my portfolio as jpg with white background. And now the first of the png images has been sold.

I too see the danger that buyers might feel fooled when they realize that the images are not clipped at all.

Mat, what do the buyers actually get? A jpg or a png?

For now, these files are only available as JPG on the customer facing site. Once the feature is launched, they can download PNG files.

Thank you for the feedback,

Mat

But why are they advertised as transparent to customers?
« Last Edit: August 16, 2022, 12:30 by Firn »


 

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