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« on: March 30, 2022, 12:55 »
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The algorithm apparently changed a huge deal today, at least for me. My older files from the Fotolia times are keyworded in German, the newer ones in English. Now when I search for something, the translation doesn't work anymore. It means that my older, all times best sellers are not even considered by the search when the buyer uses an English keyword. This wans't the case until yesterday, because I happened to check something and it worked fine. Now even if I sort by downloads, any best seller with thousands of DLs is just not there. Can anybody run some tests and confirm this? Mat from Adobe, can you help please? I really hope something is temporarily wrong and this is not intentional. Thanks.


SVH

« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2022, 14:28 »
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The algorithm apparently changed a huge deal today, at least for me. My older files from the Fotolia times are keyworded in German, the newer ones in English. Now when I search for something, the translation doesn't work anymore. It means that my older, all times best sellers are not even considered by the search when the buyer uses an English keyword. This wans't the case until yesterday, because I happened to check something and it worked fine. Now even if I sort by downloads, any best seller with thousands of DLs is just not there. Can anybody run some tests and confirm this? Mat from Adobe, can you help please? I really hope something is temporarily wrong and this is not intentional. Thanks.
So you upload your photos on a American stocksite and you decide (because you are given the option to do so) to keyword in the German language. That was a fault to begin with. Always use English keywords and place native words if that would help sales in your own country or other ones (with their specific words).

« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2022, 15:14 »
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You misunderstood. I do keyword in English. In the old Fotolia days it was recommended to do it in your local language and it did work great. Didn't I say I'm talking about images with thousands of sales? Those were translated into English until yesterday, but not anymore.

SVH

« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2022, 15:32 »
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You misunderstood. I do keyword in English. In the old Fotolia days it was recommended to do it in your local language and it did work great. Didn't I say I'm talking about images with thousands of sales? Those were translated into English until yesterday, but not anymore.
Unless most of your buyers come from Germany then keywording in German is a waste of time. Translation, as good as it gets, will most of the time not work. So therefore it would have been wise to keyword in English, even back then. But unfortunately Adobe will not show you where your photo was bought. It might be Germany, Russia or Zimbabwe. You will never know :)

« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2022, 17:04 »
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The algorithm apparently changed a huge deal today, at least for me. My older files from the Fotolia times are keyworded in German, the newer ones in English. Now when I search for something, the translation doesn't work anymore. It means that my older, all times best sellers are not even considered by the search when the buyer uses an English keyword. This wans't the case until yesterday, because I happened to check something and it worked fine. Now even if I sort by downloads, any best seller with thousands of DLs is just not there. Can anybody run some tests and confirm this? Mat from Adobe, can you help please? I really hope something is temporarily wrong and this is not intentional. Thanks.

I have not been made aware of any changes to the system recently.

-Mat

« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2022, 00:42 »
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The algorithm apparently changed a huge deal today, at least for me. My older files from the Fotolia times are keyworded in German, the newer ones in English. Now when I search for something, the translation doesn't work anymore. It means that my older, all times best sellers are not even considered by the search when the buyer uses an English keyword. This wans't the case until yesterday, because I happened to check something and it worked fine. Now even if I sort by downloads, any best seller with thousands of DLs is just not there. Can anybody run some tests and confirm this? Mat from Adobe, can you help please? I really hope something is temporarily wrong and this is not intentional. Thanks.
So you upload your photos on a American stocksite and you decide (because you are given the option to do so) to keyword in the German language. That was a fault to begin with. Always use English keywords and place native words if that would help sales in your own country or other ones (with their specific words).

A contributor reports a site problem and you decide to dump on (and lecture) him for doing something that Fotolia encouraged at the time - how is that helpful or informative, let alone kind?

At the time (Fotolia started in 2005) it was a leader in delivering content to buyers with sites in their own language where payments could be made in local currency. Fotolia let buyers search in their native language and contributors submit in theirs and the site handled all the translations. It was innovative (and then copied by all the other sites). It wasn't a "fault" for contributors to support them in doing what they asked.

You really don't know what you're talking about.

« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2022, 01:17 »
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The algorithm apparently changed a huge deal today, at least for me. My older files from the Fotolia times are keyworded in German, the newer ones in English. Now when I search for something, the translation doesn't work anymore. It means that my older, all times best sellers are not even considered by the search when the buyer uses an English keyword. This wans't the case until yesterday, because I happened to check something and it worked fine. Now even if I sort by downloads, any best seller with thousands of DLs is just not there. Can anybody run some tests and confirm this? Mat from Adobe, can you help please? I really hope something is temporarily wrong and this is not intentional. Thanks.
So you upload your photos on a American stocksite and you decide (because you are given the option to do so) to keyword in the German language. That was a fault to begin with. Always use English keywords and place native words if that would help sales in your own country or other ones (with their specific words).

Jo Ann is right - your statement is incorrect.

In the past, Fotolia was very strongly focused on the Central European market.

For contributors whose images were recognizably from the German-speaking area and thus also appealed very strongly to German-speaking customers, it was important to use German keywords because the translation software from English to German did not work very well.
So if you had German cities or German architecture in your portfolio, for example, you were well advised to use German keywords. This is a historical fact, which was also very often discussed in the Fotolia forum at that time.

« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2022, 02:14 »
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Thank you Jo Ann and Wilm. I was in fact doing very well in the German market and whenever I tried english keywords it didn't do well at all in the algorithm, because international buyers were more likely to be shown images from their own currency's area. That was changed with Adobe.

Back to the problem: thanks Mat, but right now it has completely changed again. The translation is working again, which is good, but the algorithm was obviously radically changed. For keywords to which I had several images on the first page, I now have none. I think they are tweaking things right now and hope it will become better than it was before.

« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2022, 09:45 »
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Thank you Jo Ann and Wilm. I was in fact doing very well in the German market and whenever I tried english keywords it didn't do well at all in the algorithm, because international buyers were more likely to be shown images from their own currency's area. That was changed with Adobe.

Back to the problem: thanks Mat, but right now it has completely changed again. The translation is working again, which is good, but the algorithm was obviously radically changed. For keywords to which I had several images on the first page, I now have none. I think they are tweaking things right now and hope it will become better than it was before.

Again, I can't speak to the algorithm here as I'm not aware of any changes, however I can say that if your content is region specific, such as travel, cuisine or tradition, you should add metadata in the local language assuming you are fluent. If the region is irrelevant to the content and you are fluent in English, then index in English and allow the translator to do its job. If however, you find that you need to use Google translate or are uncertain about your English fluency, you should always index in your primary language.

-Mat
« Last Edit: March 31, 2022, 09:47 by MatHayward »

SVH

« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2022, 12:56 »
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Thank you Jo Ann and Wilm. I was in fact doing very well in the German market and whenever I tried english keywords it didn't do well at all in the algorithm, because international buyers were more likely to be shown images from their own currency's area. That was changed with Adobe.

Back to the problem: thanks Mat, but right now it has completely changed again. The translation is working again, which is good, but the algorithm was obviously radically changed. For keywords to which I had several images on the first page, I now have none. I think they are tweaking things right now and hope it will become better than it was before.

Again, I can't speak to the algorithm here as I'm not aware of any changes, however I can say that if your content is region specific, such as travel, cuisine or tradition, you should add metadata in the local language assuming you are fluent. If the region is irrelevant to the content and you are fluent in English, then index in English and allow the translator to do its job. If however, you find that you need to use Google translate or are uncertain about your English fluency, you should always index in your primary language.

-Mat

Everybody seems to be a bit touchy over here :)
However I noticed that Adobe does not always do a good job in translating your search terms. As, I assume most clients, would search therefore in the English language (to get a better result) I would say it's better to basically add English keywords and, if something is really specific, also add the native words. But maybe that is what you are saying as well but in a different way.

So for the German festival 'Oktoberfest', I would certainly add this word because if you would search under 'October feast' or 'October party' you get something totally different, namely Halloween.

But what do I know, other people seem to know better :)

« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2022, 14:28 »
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Thank you Jo Ann and Wilm. I was in fact doing very well in the German market and whenever I tried english keywords it didn't do well at all in the algorithm, because international buyers were more likely to be shown images from their own currency's area. That was changed with Adobe.

Back to the problem: thanks Mat, but right now it has completely changed again. The translation is working again, which is good, but the algorithm was obviously radically changed. For keywords to which I had several images on the first page, I now have none. I think they are tweaking things right now and hope it will become better than it was before.

Again, I can't speak to the algorithm here as I'm not aware of any changes, however I can say that if your content is region specific, such as travel, cuisine or tradition, you should add metadata in the local language assuming you are fluent. If the region is irrelevant to the content and you are fluent in English, then index in English and allow the translator to do its job. If however, you find that you need to use Google translate or are uncertain about your English fluency, you should always index in your primary language.

-Mat

Everybody seems to be a bit touchy over here :)
However I noticed that Adobe does not always do a good job in translating your search terms. As, I assume most clients, would search therefore in the English language (to get a better result) I would say it's better to basically add English keywords and, if something is really specific, also add the native words. But maybe that is what you are saying as well but in a different way.

So for the German festival 'Oktoberfest', I would certainly add this word because if you would search under 'October feast' or 'October party' you get something totally different, namely Halloween.

But what do I know, other people seem to know better :)


No, SVH, no one is touchy here.

It's that you wrote that Sandeel made a mistake because he didn't keyword in English. And this statement is not correct for contributors who started at Fotolia. Many extremely successful German fotolians wrote exclusively with German keywords. They have - of course - also tried keywording in English several times. It worked. But it worked much worse than the German keywording.

How successful Sandeel was or is, I can not judge. But to simply accuse him/her of a mistake without knowing the history has been criticized by us. That's all we wanted to say.

As far as specific terms are concerned, such as Oktoberfest, Halloween, Christkindlsmarkt, Bratwurst, blue jeans and so on, you are of course right.

SVH

« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2022, 15:28 »
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No, SVH, no one is touchy here.

It's that you wrote that Sandeel made a mistake because he didn't keyword in English. And this statement is not correct for contributors who started at Fotolia. Many extremely successful German fotolians wrote exclusively with German keywords. They have - of course - also tried keywording in English several times. It worked. But it worked much worse than the German keywording.

How successful Sandeel was or is, I can not judge. But to simply accuse him/her of a mistake without knowing the history has been criticized by us. That's all we wanted to say.

As far as specific terms are concerned, such as Oktoberfest, Halloween, Christkindlsmarkt, Bratwurst, blue jeans and so on, you are of course right.
I'm a simple person. So you are a contributor signing up with an american company, you want to sell your photos worldwide. Right? You are given a choice to put your keywords in English or your native language. Which language would you choose? I would go for English. But you apparently do not. That's fine, I am very much pro-choice, but don't complain later that your keywords are not translated correctly.

« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2022, 16:22 »
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No, SVH, no one is touchy here.

It's that you wrote that Sandeel made a mistake because he didn't keyword in English. And this statement is not correct for contributors who started at Fotolia. Many extremely successful German fotolians wrote exclusively with German keywords. They have - of course - also tried keywording in English several times. It worked. But it worked much worse than the German keywording.

How successful Sandeel was or is, I can not judge. But to simply accuse him/her of a mistake without knowing the history has been criticized by us. That's all we wanted to say.

As far as specific terms are concerned, such as Oktoberfest, Halloween, Christkindlsmarkt, Bratwurst, blue jeans and so on, you are of course right.
I'm a simple person. So you are a contributor signing up with an american company, you want to sell your photos worldwide. Right? You are given a choice to put your keywords in English or your native language. Which language would you choose? I would go for English. But you apparently do not. That's fine, I am very much pro-choice, but don't complain later that your keywords are not translated correctly.

What was your experience with fotolia? Did you use english keywords? Was that successful?

And where are you from and what do you offer?

SVH

« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2022, 16:40 »
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No, SVH, no one is touchy here.

It's that you wrote that Sandeel made a mistake because he didn't keyword in English. And this statement is not correct for contributors who started at Fotolia. Many extremely successful German fotolians wrote exclusively with German keywords. They have - of course - also tried keywording in English several times. It worked. But it worked much worse than the German keywording.

How successful Sandeel was or is, I can not judge. But to simply accuse him/her of a mistake without knowing the history has been criticized by us. That's all we wanted to say.

As far as specific terms are concerned, such as Oktoberfest, Halloween, Christkindlsmarkt, Bratwurst, blue jeans and so on, you are of course right.
I'm a simple person. So you are a contributor signing up with an american company, you want to sell your photos worldwide. Right? You are given a choice to put your keywords in English or your native language. Which language would you choose? I would go for English. But you apparently do not. That's fine, I am very much pro-choice, but don't complain later that your keywords are not translated correctly.

What was your experience with fotolia? Did you use english keywords? Was that successful?

And where are you from and what do you offer?

I offer my photos to stock companies, which most of them are based in the United States and I tend to sell my photos world wide. What do you offer? And no, I was never never with fotolia but is that really important? Was fotolia German and had only a german market to begin with? In that case I retract my words but I don't think it was :)

« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2022, 17:03 »
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No, SVH, no one is touchy here.

It's that you wrote that Sandeel made a mistake because he didn't keyword in English. And this statement is not correct for contributors who started at Fotolia. Many extremely successful German fotolians wrote exclusively with German keywords. They have - of course - also tried keywording in English several times. It worked. But it worked much worse than the German keywording.

How successful Sandeel was or is, I can not judge. But to simply accuse him/her of a mistake without knowing the history has been criticized by us. That's all we wanted to say.

As far as specific terms are concerned, such as Oktoberfest, Halloween, Christkindlsmarkt, Bratwurst, blue jeans and so on, you are of course right.
I'm a simple person. So you are a contributor signing up with an american company, you want to sell your photos worldwide. Right? You are given a choice to put your keywords in English or your native language. Which language would you choose? I would go for English. But you apparently do not. That's fine, I am very much pro-choice, but don't complain later that your keywords are not translated correctly.

What was your experience with fotolia? Did you use english keywords? Was that successful?

And where are you from and what do you offer?

I offer my photos to stock companies, which most of them are based in the United States and I tend to sell my photos world wide. What do you offer? And no, I was never never with fotolia but is that really important? Was fotolia German and had only a german market to begin with? In that case I retract my words but I don't think it was :)

First of all: I keyword everywhere in english.

Only fotolia was different. I repeat myself. At that time the translation software was not very good.

The most successful providers came from Germany, followed by Russia, Ukraine and - at a clear distance - the USA. Istock and shutterstock were particularly successful in the USA, and fotolia was king in the European market. Fotolia tried to take international market share from the other agencies, for example, through the Dollarphotoclub, but it didn't work. Only the takeover by Adobe changed that.

As Jo Ann has already written, it was advisable (and also recommended) to use the local language for keywords at fotolia if the image material could be clearly assigned to one's own region.

And that is exactly what Sandeel did at that time.

Since you were not present at fotolia, you lack this knowledge. That is completely okay. But because you don't know how it was, your criticism was just not okay.

It didn't matter where fotolia's corporate headquarters were located. It did matter where the money was to be made. And the market outside the USA played a very important role.

I hope that it is now understandable. Today is today - there were other factors back then.

SVH

« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2022, 17:16 »
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First of all: I keyword everywhere in english.

Only fotolia was different. I repeat myself. At that time the translation software was not very good.

The most successful providers came from Germany, followed by Russia, Ukraine and - at a clear distance - the USA. Istock and shutterstock were particularly successful in the USA, and fotolia was king in the European market. Fotolia tried to take international market share from the other agencies, for example, through the Dollarphotoclub, but it didn't work. Only the takeover by Adobe changed that.

As Jo Ann has already written, it was advisable (and also recommended) to use the local language for keywords at fotolia if the image material could be clearly assigned to one's own region.

And that is exactly what Sandeel did at that time.

Since you were not present at fotolia, you lack this knowledge. That is completely okay. But because you don't know how it was, your criticism was just not okay.

It didn't matter where fotolia's corporate headquarters were located. It did matter where the money was to be made. And the market outside the USA played a very important role.

I hope that it is now understandable. Today is today - there were other factors back then.

Yes, I do lack knowledge of the days back then. But if I understand correctly, from your words, translation was poor so people were aiming for the german market then, right? Otherwise people (in general, not you personally) would not have added german keywords. And now they complain that the international (English language) market doesn't see their photos with the german keywords. I am completely lost here what you are trying to say.

« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2022, 17:41 »
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@SVH
How does any of your replies in any way help the issue that I brought up in this topic? First I was talking about a search problem that fortunately was only temporary. It is obviously not in Adobe's interest that the whole translation tool stops working altogether.

As Wilm explained correctly and patiently, we were doing just fine in the German market, because back then Fotolia worked very country-specific. There was a "Fotolia Germany". We didn't know that one day the country-based algorithm would be changed drastically. One thing that still bothers me is that when a buyer looks at one of my images with english keywords, my old images that were keyworded in German do not show under it, nor do they if you click on "see more". Ande vice versa, when they look at an old best seller not a single new image is shown under it. In this regard each language is treated like a separate portfolio. I don't know if it's just imperfection or a deliberate decision, but it's not something that we were bargaining for. But anyway, please stop saying we are supposed to keyword in English, because as we repeatedly said we are doing it and you are not adding anything that we don't know. Thanks.

« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2022, 07:42 »
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First of all: I keyword everywhere in english.

Only fotolia was different. I repeat myself. At that time the translation software was not very good.

The most successful providers came from Germany, followed by Russia, Ukraine and - at a clear distance - the USA. Istock and shutterstock were particularly successful in the USA, and fotolia was king in the European market. Fotolia tried to take international market share from the other agencies, for example, through the Dollarphotoclub, but it didn't work. Only the takeover by Adobe changed that.

As Jo Ann has already written, it was advisable (and also recommended) to use the local language for keywords at fotolia if the image material could be clearly assigned to one's own region.

And that is exactly what Sandeel did at that time.

Since you were not present at fotolia, you lack this knowledge. That is completely okay. But because you don't know how it was, your criticism was just not okay.

It didn't matter where fotolia's corporate headquarters were located. It did matter where the money was to be made. And the market outside the USA played a very important role.

I hope that it is now understandable. Today is today - there were other factors back then.

Yes, I do lack knowledge of the days back then. But if I understand correctly, from your words, translation was poor so people were aiming for the german market then, right? Otherwise people (in general, not you personally) would not have added german keywords. And now they complain that the international (English language) market doesn't see their photos with the german keywords. I am completely lost here what you are trying to say.

Reading the conversation it was you that piled in telling someone off. It really doesn't matter what your intention or impression is of what you wrote you are patently wrong. The OP has explained repeatedly that they are successful doing it their way and suddenly the system altered the way its search system gives results. It changed how the OPs images were found. Now it has reverted partially. The OP was asking for help in resolving this. They were not asking how to best keyword their images. The company may be American which is irrelevant as the customers are world wide. It is a warehouse of photos which doesn't have a base and floats around the Internet for all to find. The OPs images appear to sell well in Germany and are found via the German keywording. Enough that they feel they have done well.

If you are completely lost I would suggest it is because you do NOT appear to read posts correctly before you are thumping at your keyboard. Further, despite others more knowledgeable than you attempting to explain it to you, you are still pushing your ridiculous point.

Floating warehouse full of crap that people around the world can buy.

It may be an American warehouse but it isnt in America. Its in cyberspace and it sure as crap doesn't contain only American crap.

« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2022, 18:00 »
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Thank you Lowls.

Regarding the algorithm, I observed several changes these past two days, I suppose that's what it looks like when they tweak things a bit. Now it is back to something similar to what it was before, but images got shuffled a bit, so that some old sellers that had been rather forgotten started selling again, but some great sellers got pushed back in the search results. My download numbers remained average except for the day I started this thread, when there was an unusual drop.

Something that I noticed is that when you choose a sorting like "relevance", "featured" or "downloads", it stays saved. I seem to remember that it wasn't the case before and it always jumped back to relevance. I hope this gives newer images a better chance.

« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2022, 10:22 »
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Thank you Jo Ann and Wilm. I was in fact doing very well in the German market and whenever I tried english keywords it didn't do well at all in the algorithm, because international buyers were more likely to be shown images from their own currency's area. That was changed with Adobe.

Back to the problem: thanks Mat, but right now it has completely changed again. The translation is working again, which is good, but the algorithm was obviously radically changed. For keywords to which I had several images on the first page, I now have none. I think they are tweaking things right now and hope it will become better than it was before.

Again, I can't speak to the algorithm here as I'm not aware of any changes, however I can say that if your content is region specific, such as travel, cuisine or tradition, you should add metadata in the local language assuming you are fluent. If the region is irrelevant to the content and you are fluent in English, then index in English and allow the translator to do its job. If however, you find that you need to use Google translate or are uncertain about your English fluency, you should always index in your primary language.

-Mat

if your content is region specific, such as travel, cuisine or tradition, you should add metadata in the local language assuming you are fluent.

But do NOT do it for countries, which are not supported by Adobe anymore like all poor countries especially Moslem countries. So even your travel photos from Turkey will not appear in any search, if the customer does not change the regiion on the very bottom of the page - where nobody will find it and usually nobody knows about it.

@Matt: This time you will answer?
(Sorry, but it hurts me each time again when i read about this region selection which IS discriminating!)

« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2022, 06:55 »
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As expected: No answer from Matt :'(

« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2022, 15:06 »
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another anomaly - when i submit vintage 18th c maps that i've processed, adobe consistently rejects them, saying i need a property release - but when i submit different maps from the same collection thru WS adobe accepts them!

« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2022, 15:24 »
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another anomaly - if you upload a vector editorial trademark (once approved) in the search engine of the site, the image corresponding to that trademark does not appear, as if deleting the keywords with the brand name. I got confirmation using newbielink:https://imstocker.com/ [nonactive] What sense to accept editorial vector logos if they then delete the keywords with the brand name, how do buyers find these images

« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2022, 17:38 »
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Thank you Jo Ann and Wilm. I was in fact doing very well in the German market and whenever I tried english keywords it didn't do well at all in the algorithm, because international buyers were more likely to be shown images from their own currency's area. That was changed with Adobe.

Back to the problem: thanks Mat, but right now it has completely changed again. The translation is working again, which is good, but the algorithm was obviously radically changed. For keywords to which I had several images on the first page, I now have none. I think they are tweaking things right now and hope it will become better than it was before.

Again, I can't speak to the algorithm here as I'm not aware of any changes, however I can say that if your content is region specific, such as travel, cuisine or tradition, you should add metadata in the local language assuming you are fluent. If the region is irrelevant to the content and you are fluent in English, then index in English and allow the translator to do its job. If however, you find that you need to use Google translate or are uncertain about your English fluency, you should always index in your primary language.

-Mat

if your content is region specific, such as travel, cuisine or tradition, you should add metadata in the local language assuming you are fluent.

But do NOT do it for countries, which are not supported by Adobe anymore like all poor countries especially Moslem countries. So even your travel photos from Turkey will not appear in any search, if the customer does not change the regiion on the very bottom of the page - where nobody will find it and usually nobody knows about it.

@Matt: This time you will answer?
(Sorry, but it hurts me each time again when i read about this region selection which IS discriminating!)

It sounds like you are misunderstanding the way search works. If you upload a photo taken in Turkey and you are in Turkey, there is a chance you would not see this image in search depending on the subject matter of the image. However, the image would still be available in most other countries and can be sold.

-Mat

« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2022, 02:33 »
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In the past, Fotolia was very strongly focused on the Central European market.

For contributors whose images were recognizably from the German-speaking area and thus also appealed very strongly to German-speaking customers, it was important to use German keywords because the translation software from English to German did not work very well.

And Fotolia photos are still used a lot these days. Whenever I get a new book I look up where the pictures come from and even books published in 2022 still use "Fotolia" credits.....
And the translation is indeed often rubbish when I see my own pics translated from english to german. And place names with "", "", "" are nearly unstranslateble. I always look up the english name for a place like that but you can bet lots of german buyers (who dont speak english) will not find that place. So I also use "oe" and "ae" and "ue" but thats very uncommon in german to do.

« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2022, 06:19 »
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Thank you Jo Ann and Wilm. I was in fact doing very well in the German market and whenever I tried english keywords it didn't do well at all in the algorithm, because international buyers were more likely to be shown images from their own currency's area. That was changed with Adobe.

Back to the problem: thanks Mat, but right now it has completely changed again. The translation is working again, which is good, but the algorithm was obviously radically changed. For keywords to which I had several images on the first page, I now have none. I think they are tweaking things right now and hope it will become better than it was before.

Again, I can't speak to the algorithm here as I'm not aware of any changes, however I can say that if your content is region specific, such as travel, cuisine or tradition, you should add metadata in the local language assuming you are fluent. If the region is irrelevant to the content and you are fluent in English, then index in English and allow the translator to do its job. If however, you find that you need to use Google translate or are uncertain about your English fluency, you should always index in your primary language.

-Mat

if your content is region specific, such as travel, cuisine or tradition, you should add metadata in the local language assuming you are fluent.

But do NOT do it for countries, which are not supported by Adobe anymore like all poor countries especially Moslem countries. So even your travel photos from Turkey will not appear in any search, if the customer does not change the regiion on the very bottom of the page - where nobody will find it and usually nobody knows about it.

@Matt: This time you will answer?
(Sorry, but it hurts me each time again when i read about this region selection which IS discriminating!)

It sounds like you are misunderstanding the way search works. If you upload a photo taken in Turkey and you are in Turkey, there is a chance you would not see this image in search depending on the subject matter of the image. However, the image would still be available in most other countries and can be sold.

-Mat

First of all THANK YOU for your first reply, Matt!
Joe Ann and others did their research and wrote about their search experiences in this case. So, I do not get, what you, Matt, write about the search results.
Do you mean that, if logged in in Turkey, Trukey related images are much more showing up than for example in the USA? And that is the reason that our Trukey related images might not appear. Or they appear, but because of to many from that subject, they will be not shown up in the top? With other words: If I am logged in in the USA and search for Turkey related images, then my images might showing up much higher in ranking?
What I (and many in the past already either) not understand, WHY MUST BE there a difference?
But I stop asking about this, because it makes no sense.

« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2022, 02:14 »
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Well whatever Adobe did they did something. I had a slowly increasing portfolio. And slowly increasing sales. Then end of March my last, a sale of just over 1 which was happening more often.

And then sales died. And when I say died. I mean zero since
March 26th. Not a single sale.

Shutterstock sales however have been growing slowly and regularly.

So whatever Adobe did despite claims to the contrary something has changed.

« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2022, 06:21 »
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It could depend on your content. No sales since March 26th could be caused by to few images online.
Or your best sellers are gone zero.
In my experience 80% of my sales are caused by about 10% of my images.
If there are some seasonal images in your portfolio could also cause a drop in sales.
I only have images at Adobe online, so i can't compare. But i can see no difference in sales.
 

« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2022, 14:40 »
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It could depend on your content. No sales since March 26th could be caused by to few images online.
Or your best sellers are gone zero.
In my experience 80% of my sales are caused by about 10% of my images.
If there are some seasonal images in your portfolio could also cause a drop in sales.
I only have images at Adobe online, so i can't compare. But i can see no difference in sales.

exactly - it's all too common here for someone with low sales to automatically blame the agency.  like you, myAS sales have been steady over the last 2 years, w month  to month variations.  a small portfolio will likely have more drastic ups & downs

« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2022, 14:58 »
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Well there is a few assumptions there, I of course get your point.
I have a small portfolio of 500+ images. About 200 are new. 1 year old or younger. 40 videos 4k.

Many of my images are on page 1 of thousands. A few are at the top of page one. And two are No.1 on page 1 never sold but been there for several months.

But as I know very little of the inner workings I also know you don't either. But dribbling increasing sales over normall dead periods with increasing port size shouldn't stop dead for a month.

« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2022, 15:01 »
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April is also worse for me at AS than March. But that has always been the case over the years. I can't see any change in the algorithm.

Regarding the downloads, it is about 10% less in April in the same period. In terms of revenue, I have a minus of about 25%. But that is probably more due to coincidence. Probably I had significantly more enhanced licenses in March.

« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2022, 16:17 »
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April will be my best month this year, so if they really changed something, it was in my favor. But nothing lasts forever, I don't dare to be optimistic.

« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2022, 16:37 »
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Interesting Wilm thank you. If you have noticed April is down then on a port as small as mine this could translate. Thanks again.

« Reply #33 on: April 24, 2022, 20:34 »
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April is also worse for me at AS than March. But that has always been the case over the years. I can't see any change in the algorithm.

Regarding the downloads, it is about 10% less in April in the same period. In terms of revenue, I have a minus of about 25%. But that is probably more due to coincidence. Probably I had significantly more enhanced licenses in March.
my port isn't affected by month - there are ups & downs, but they average out - which why a 35-month running average is more appropriate to such a stochastic process as ms sales(even more so for small portfolios- cf law of small numbers); and worse,  we don't have detailed reporting from the agencies to create a statistically significant result, so individual anecdotes can't explain varying results

« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2022, 01:36 »
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April is also worse for me at AS than March. But that has always been the case over the years. I can't see any change in the algorithm.

Regarding the downloads, it is about 10% less in April in the same period. In terms of revenue, I have a minus of about 25%. But that is probably more due to coincidence. Probably I had significantly more enhanced licenses in March.
my port isn't affected by month - there are ups & downs, but they average out - which why a 35-month running average is more appropriate to such a stochastic process as ms sales(even more so for small portfolios- cf law of small numbers); and worse,  we don't have detailed reporting from the agencies to create a statistically significant result, so individual anecdotes can't explain varying results

AS is the only agency where, for over 10 years, March has always been the best month of the year and April has always been significantly worse - for whatever reason. December is always my worst month there. My portfolio there is actually relatively small (about 1450 files by now). In fotolia times I had emerald status. Whether that is enough for a personal statistical statement, you may judge for yourself.

With all other agencies, there are actually no recognizable regularities for me, as far as monthly revenues and downloads are concerned.

« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2022, 01:42 »
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April is also worse for me at AS than March. But that has always been the case over the years. I can't see any change in the algorithm.

Regarding the downloads, it is about 10% less in April in the same period. In terms of revenue, I have a minus of about 25%. But that is probably more due to coincidence. Probably I had significantly more enhanced licenses in March.
my port isn't affected by month - there are ups & downs, but they average out - which why a 35-month running average is more appropriate to such a stochastic process as ms sales(even more so for small portfolios- cf law of small numbers); and worse,  we don't have detailed reporting from the agencies to create a statistically significant result, so individual anecdotes can't explain varying results

Therefore you meant to say it cannot explain it to you. With the data you have available to you.

You cannot speak for others logically because you do not have enough data from them to understand their findings, anecdotally or otherwise.

Wilms post however makes perfect sense given information I have about my port, that you do not. Other than that your anecdotal opinion had some useful views. Thank you.

« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2022, 10:10 »
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Changed algorithm means changed, not better for everyone or worse for everyone. Some images are moved further back, some are brought to the fore. That's what definitely happened. My sales are about the same as before, but there was a shift in WHAT sells. Some older best sellers were brought back from the dead and some other best sellers were disfavored. I had regularly checked the results for at least one very major keyword and I see different results on the first three pages since April, I mean all results, not just my own.

Also you can notice any algorithm changes if you go to your own portfolio and search for a keyword within it. The order that you see there is exactly how they appear in the main site's search. For example let's say you search for "flower" in your port and see image x at the top and then image y. Then you go to the main site and search for flower. Image x will be the first of your own images that you will find and image y will be the second, and so on. That's a fact, it was 100% and steadily confirmed for me, without any exceptions. Now if the algorithm changes, the sorting of your own images will suddenly be all over the place, and that's what happened.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2022, 10:14 by Sandeel »

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« Reply #37 on: April 26, 2022, 11:16 »
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Changed algorithm means changed, not better for everyone or worse for everyone. Some images are moved further back, some are brought to the fore. That's what definitely happened. My sales are about the same as before, but there was a shift in WHAT sells. Some older best sellers were brought back from the dead and some other best sellers were disfavored. I had regularly checked the results for at least one very major keyword and I see different results on the first three pages since April, I mean all results, not just my own.

Also you can notice any algorithm changes if you go to your own portfolio and search for a keyword within it. The order that you see there is exactly how they appear in the main site's search. For example let's say you search for "flower" in your port and see image x at the top and then image y. Then you go to the main site and search for flower. Image x will be the first of your own images that you will find and image y will be the second, and so on. That's a fact, it was 100% and steadily confirmed for me, without any exceptions. Now if the algorithm changes, the sorting of your own images will suddenly be all over the place, and that's what happened.

Ah, so you are saying, someone shuffled the deck and dealt our new image ranks, in a different order. Interesting.

So that whole thing in the multiple webinars and files, and advice, about the rank being set in the first 30 days, isn't true anymore?

« Reply #38 on: April 26, 2022, 11:58 »
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Ah, so you are saying, someone shuffled the deck and dealt our new image ranks, in a different order. Interesting.

So that whole thing in the multiple webinars and files, and advice, about the rank being set in the first 30 days, isn't true anymore?

I don't know anything about the first 30 days, I must have missed that piece of info. What's up with that?

« Reply #39 on: April 26, 2022, 12:02 »
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When I take a closer look at the downloads of the last days, I have to admit that the OP might be right.

I have over 30 downloads in April of files that have not sold for years. Some of them are from my first Fotolia days. This can't really be in the interest of AS, because
- the ancient vectors had to be uploaded as svg back then, and are therefore today partly hardly editable in Illustrator
- the old photos are in quite low resolution and moderate quality

« Reply #40 on: April 26, 2022, 13:52 »
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True. They absolutely do not know how to sell the good stuff.

New images hardly ever take off, and if one does, it is killed after 2-3 weeks. For example I recently landed one that sold 60 times in 3 weeks, and that inludes the time it took to climb to the top of page one, then it was selling 4-5 times a day. Now today all of a sudden it was thrown back not a little, but to the bloody midfield, into nothingness. It is good stuff, and some of the images that I have at the top never ever performed all that well. There's no logic in that. New images are not given a fair chance at all.

« Reply #41 on: April 26, 2022, 15:01 »
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Just checked the one of mine that's sat at the No.1 page 1 slot for a few months and it's slipped to No.2. Never sold. In fact I've had 4 on page 1 for probably a year now and none have sold. And a 5th has joined page 1 which is only a week old. That's out of 2000 images. No.1 don't mean sales I guess. Though if it dropped and bounced back up to 1 like it does, why does it bounce back up?

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« Reply #42 on: April 26, 2022, 19:00 »
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When I take a closer look at the downloads of the last days, I have to admit that the OP might be right.

I have over 30 downloads in April of files that have not sold for years. Some of them are from my first Fotolia days. This can't really be in the interest of AS, because
- the ancient vectors had to be uploaded as svg back then, and are therefore today partly hardly editable in Illustrator
- the old photos are in quite low resolution and moderate quality

Well there are at least two versions of this right now and other observations. If some of mine that were down pages, are suddenly pushed forward, whether it's a re-shuffle, seasonal, promotion of specific topics that are more popular right now, OK with me. I mean, if I get more downloads from images that didn't before and less from some that have been making money, and the money is the same, OK all the better for exposure.

We can only hope that Mat knows something or can get an answer and maybe tell us something about what's going on?

Ah, so you are saying, someone shuffled the deck and dealt our new image ranks, in a different order. Interesting.

So that whole thing in the multiple webinars and files, and advice, about the rank being set in the first 30 days, isn't true anymore?

I don't know anything about the first 30 days, I must have missed that piece of info. What's up with that?

There were two webinars, one on search and one on Keywording best practices. Plus Mat has reinforced the same advice here on the forum. Images get ranked during the first 30 days of their time online. According to the video, after that, changing words will not change a rank, but the words will be found in a search of course.

See if you can find the threads about the webinars and there are some discussions and Q&A plus a summary of what was said. Or maybe find the Webinar and watch it, pretty interesting and potentially useful advice.

« Reply #43 on: April 27, 2022, 11:19 »
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Actually i don't check my images at Adobe Stock. I even do no stock statistics any more.
The statistic site at Adobe Stock is doing well for me.
As far i can say, i see no much difference at Adobe Stock on average DL and $$. Everything seems OK. Though i don't care about what images are selling. Maybe there have been a change, i don't know.
There are some images from 2011 to 2022. All are good enough to sell from time to time.


SVH

« Reply #44 on: April 27, 2022, 13:35 »
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Actually i don't check my images at Adobe Stock. I even do no stock statistics any more.
The statistic site at Adobe Stock is doing well for me.
As far i can say, i see no much difference at Adobe Stock on average DL and $$. Everything seems OK. Though i don't care about what images are selling. Maybe there have been a change, i don't know.
There are some images from 2011 to 2022. All are good enough to sell from time to time.


So you don't check and you don't care if you sell something or not. Weird way of trying to sell photos, through microstock :)

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« Reply #45 on: April 27, 2022, 15:57 »
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Ah, so you are saying, someone shuffled the deck and dealt our new image ranks, in a different order. Interesting.

So that whole thing in the multiple webinars and files, and advice, about the rank being set in the first 30 days, isn't true anymore?

I don't know anything about the first 30 days, I must have missed that piece of info. What's up with that?

Sorry about the repeat, but I wanted this to show as new for you.  :) Happy watching or at least you have the threads now.

https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/adobe-stock-search-webinar/   Search Webinar

https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/adobe-stock-indexing-webinar-tuesday-september-17/  Indexing and Keywords.

1) Images initially get ranked by customer response during the first 30 days. Your keywords and title are most important during that time.

2) After 30 days, changing the keywords or order, will not have much effect on image rank, from the customers. There are other factors that still can move an image up or down.

3) Adding detailed information, location, keywords or concept word combinations, will still help get an image found. Updating older images may not change the rank, but it will make the image more searchable.

4) Categories are not very important




« Reply #46 on: April 27, 2022, 16:35 »
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Actually i don't check my images at Adobe Stock. I even do no stock statistics any more.
The statistic site at Adobe Stock is doing well for me.
As far i can say, i see no much difference at Adobe Stock on average DL and $$. Everything seems OK. Though i don't care about what images are selling. Maybe there have been a change, i don't know.
There are some images from 2011 to 2022. All are good enough to sell from time to time.

It's a bit like that for me, too. I can't see any changes in the downloads and revenue. I had already written that. It is then just struck me that there could have been a change in the algorithm, because of the more older images that are suddenly bought again. For this it is then probably a few less sales of newer images.

« Reply #47 on: April 27, 2022, 16:40 »
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Actually i don't check my images at Adobe Stock. I even do no stock statistics any more.
The statistic site at Adobe Stock is doing well for me.
As far i can say, i see no much difference at Adobe Stock on average DL and $$. Everything seems OK. Though i don't care about what images are selling. Maybe there have been a change, i don't know.
There are some images from 2011 to 2022. All are good enough to sell from time to time.


So you don't check and you don't care if you sell something or not. Weird way of trying to sell photos, through microstock :)

You don't have to bother with statistics if the sales figures are okay. As long as you sell as much as usual, it's not mandatory, is it?

I myself always find the statistics interesting. But it's not absolutely necessary as long as everything is going well.

« Reply #48 on: April 27, 2022, 17:04 »
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3) Adding detailed information, location, keywords or concept word combinations, will still help get an image found. Updating older images may not change the rank, but it will make the image more searchable.

Well that is either incorrect or outdated or both. You cannot put concept ideas in keywords. I mean I know its obvious you should and only a halfwit would think you shouldn't but it isnt permitted.
E.g you cannot have a photograph of just a tray of bulbs (plants) and use keywords like gardening, borders, flower bed, planting, etc. Although invoking words that are clearly linked to the image or conceptually linked you cannot use them.

Keywords are: type what you see.

A duck nestling in a clump of grass cannot have pond as a keyword if a pond is not visible.

The rule is so ambiguous as to be moronic but there we are.

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« Reply #49 on: April 28, 2022, 09:05 »
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3) Adding detailed information, location, keywords or concept word combinations, will still help get an image found. Updating older images may not change the rank, but it will make the image more searchable.

Well that is either incorrect or outdated or both. You cannot put concept ideas in keywords. I mean I know its obvious you should and only a halfwit would think you shouldn't but it isnt permitted.
E.g you cannot have a photograph of just a tray of bulbs (plants) and use keywords like gardening, borders, flower bed, planting, etc. Although invoking words that are clearly linked to the image or conceptually linked you cannot use them.

Keywords are: type what you see.

A duck nestling in a clump of grass cannot have pond as a keyword if a pond is not visible.

The rule is so ambiguous as to be moronic but there we are.

??? Rule? No it's a summary of what they said was happening and how the system works. My words from their webinar. GO WATCH THE TWO VIDEOS PLEASE?

Who says you can put concept ideas in keywords? Who says it's not permitted. Who's a moron, the person who includes concepts or the one who doesn't?  ::)

Yes I agree fully, keywords are pretty much only what you see and at that, the main subject and concept of an image. If there's an apple tree, way back on the horizon, someone should not include "Apple Tree"

The #3 was mostly answering the question: Will reordering or adding new words, make the image go up in the search?  "Updating older images may not change the rank, but it will make the image more searchable."

Don't miss this note:  There are other factors that still can move an image up or down.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2022, 09:08 by Uncle Pete »

« Reply #50 on: April 28, 2022, 09:46 »
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3) Adding detailed information, location, keywords or concept word combinations, will still help get an image found. Updating older images may not change the rank, but it will make the image more searchable.

Well that is either incorrect or outdated or both. You cannot put concept ideas in keywords. I mean I know its obvious you should and only a halfwit would think you shouldn't but it isnt permitted.
E.g you cannot have a photograph of just a tray of bulbs (plants) and use keywords like gardening, borders, flower bed, planting, etc. Although invoking words that are clearly linked to the image or conceptually linked you cannot use them.

Keywords are: type what you see.

A duck nestling in a clump of grass cannot have pond as a keyword if a pond is not visible.

The rule is so ambiguous as to be moronic but there we are.

??? Rule? No it's a summary of what they said was happening and how the system works. My words from their webinar. GO WATCH THE TWO VIDEOS PLEASE?

Who says you can put concept ideas in keywords? Who says it's not permitted.

The reviewer who processed my images and rejected them because I added the words pond and life. There was no pond. There was a dragonfly. There was no pond  ::) but I wasn't allowed to have pond  or pondlife nor amphibian. Fair do on that though they are amphibious for some of the year, and not aquatic so the images were rejected. I pointed out that when you search for flying pond life the images that come back are dragonflies but Matt said no but passed them as a special one time never to be repeated exception but he manually removed those keywords. No pond. Not even a puddle.

Who's a moron, the person who includes concepts or the one who doesn't?
:o erm neither what. That's not what I wrote is it? * checks* no I said the rule was moronic. I assumed you cut and paste the rules or guidelines from somehwere. But ok then point 3. I mean I quoted it but if you want to split molecules fair enough lol. I love the intensity of your reply though Peter ... WHO' S A MORON ... lol.

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« Reply #51 on: April 29, 2022, 09:29 »
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3) Adding detailed information, location, keywords or concept word combinations, will still help get an image found. Updating older images may not change the rank, but it will make the image more searchable.

Well that is either incorrect or outdated or both. You cannot put concept ideas in keywords. I mean I know its obvious you should and only a halfwit would think you shouldn't but it isnt permitted.
E.g you cannot have a photograph of just a tray of bulbs (plants) and use keywords like gardening, borders, flower bed, planting, etc. Although invoking words that are clearly linked to the image or conceptually linked you cannot use them.

Keywords are: type what you see.

A duck nestling in a clump of grass cannot have pond as a keyword if a pond is not visible.

The rule is so ambiguous as to be moronic but there we are.

??? Rule? No it's a summary of what they said was happening and how the system works. My words from their webinar. GO WATCH THE TWO VIDEOS PLEASE?

Who says you can put concept ideas in keywords? Who says it's not permitted.

The reviewer who processed my images and rejected them because I added the words pond and life. There was no pond. There was a dragonfly. There was no pond  ::) but I wasn't allowed to have pond  or pondlife nor amphibian. Fair do on that though they are amphibious for some of the year, and not aquatic so the images were rejected. I pointed out that when you search for flying pond life the images that come back are dragonflies but Matt said no but passed them as a special one time never to be repeated exception but he manually removed those keywords. No pond. Not even a puddle.

Who's a moron, the person who includes concepts or the one who doesn't?
:o erm neither what. That's not what I wrote is it? * checks* no I said the rule was moronic. I assumed you cut and paste the rules or guidelines from somehwere. But ok then point 3. I mean I quoted it but if you want to split molecules fair enough lol. I love the intensity of your reply though Peter ... WHO' S A MORON ... lol.

Yeah some days?   :) But you said, and this is what I was responding to. "You cannot put concept ideas in keywords. I mean I know its obvious you should and only a halfwit would think you shouldn't but it isnt permitted. "

Yes you can put concept ideas in keywords, and yes it is permitted.

Splitting atoms, we're going small here? Nothing special to Quark about.

Please watch the videos, I just did a summary of main points for discussion. The video is a video, there's no transcript that I know if.

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« Reply #52 on: April 29, 2022, 15:39 »
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I am seeing lately sharp increase of first-time downloads, images older than 1 year.  I did not mess with keywords.   Change of algorithm?  I don't think so ... probably just seasonal need.  But worth noting.


« Reply #53 on: April 30, 2022, 00:40 »
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Thank you Jo Ann and Wilm. I was in fact doing very well in the German market and whenever I tried english keywords it didn't do well at all in the algorithm, because international buyers were more likely to be shown images from their own currency's area. That was changed with Adobe.

Back to the problem: thanks Mat, but right now it has completely changed again. The translation is working again, which is good, but the algorithm was obviously radically changed. For keywords to which I had several images on the first page, I now have none. I think they are tweaking things right now and hope it will become better than it was before.

Again, I can't speak to the algorithm here as I'm not aware of any changes, however I can say that if your content is region specific, such as travel, cuisine or tradition, you should add metadata in the local language assuming you are fluent. If the region is irrelevant to the content and you are fluent in English, then index in English and allow the translator to do its job. If however, you find that you need to use Google translate or are uncertain about your English fluency, you should always index in your primary language.

-Mat

if your content is region specific, such as travel, cuisine or tradition, you should add metadata in the local language assuming you are fluent.

But do NOT do it for countries, which are not supported by Adobe anymore like all poor countries especially Moslem countries. So even your travel photos from Turkey will not appear in any search, if the customer does not change the regiion on the very bottom of the page - where nobody will find it and usually nobody knows about it.

@Matt: This time you will answer?
(Sorry, but it hurts me each time again when i read about this region selection which IS discriminating!)

It sounds like you are misunderstanding the way search works. If you upload a photo taken in Turkey and you are in Turkey, there is a chance you would not see this image in search depending on the subject matter of the image. However, the image would still be available in most other countries and can be sold.

-Mat
Mat, you certainly did something, my sales page suddenly got stuck! 🥹🥹


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« Reply #54 on: April 30, 2022, 00:58 »
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Im referring to videos. I know that you, Mat, youre not directly responsible for the algorithm changes, but maybe you could know if there are temporary issues with the videos search engine. Thanks


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« Reply #55 on: May 02, 2022, 11:59 »
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I carried this bit over from the SSTK area.

This must be related to your easter motifs, Firn. Maybe there is a change in the algo for easter, where images containing the search term easter are pushed for a certain period before easter.

This is towards the whole discussion of rank and search and how images are displayed on the system at Adobe.  There are other factors that still can move an image up or down.  :) And I think you're right, this is a possible other factor.

I would say that seasonal and featured subjects are a good example of that. Of course, different subjects are pushed, by Adobe, seasonal, interest, trending or whatever reason they decide. Some of us will go up, some will go down, and some day there will be another change.

Not about your post, but others from time to time.

I really don't understand why some people think their images should always be first and once something is on the early pages, those images should always stay on the first pages.

One of my images is on page 3 of 100 pages. There are 32,730 results for US Bank Note Franklin Why shouldn't I be on page 1, why am I not on page 50? Someone has to be on page 99!

But why does anyone think they are so special that they should always be on the first pages and that they should never be re-ranked? The system is impersonal and sometimes arbitrary, and sometimes keywords or subjects will be featured or pushed back, for other trending, more interesting items for the buyers.

« Reply #56 on: May 02, 2022, 13:09 »
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Urgh never mind.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2022, 14:27 by Lowls »

« Reply #57 on: May 03, 2022, 08:31 »
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Urgh never mind.

Pond is not a concept it's a Noun.

« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2022, 08:38 »
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Changed algorithm means changed, not better for everyone or worse for everyone. Some images are moved further back, some are brought to the fore. That's what definitely happened. My sales are about the same as before, but there was a shift in WHAT sells. Some older best sellers were brought back from the dead and some other best sellers were disfavored. I had regularly checked the results for at least one very major keyword and I see different results on the first three pages since April, I mean all results, not just my own.

Also you can notice any algorithm changes if you go to your own portfolio and search for a keyword within it. The order that you see there is exactly how they appear in the main site's search. For example let's say you search for "flower" in your port and see image x at the top and then image y. Then you go to the main site and search for flower. Image x will be the first of your own images that you will find and image y will be the second, and so on. That's a fact, it was 100% and steadily confirmed for me, without any exceptions. Now if the algorithm changes, the sorting of your own images will suddenly be all over the place, and that's what happened.

Ah, so you are saying, someone shuffled the deck and dealt our new image ranks, in a different order. Interesting.

So that whole thing in the multiple webinars and files, and advice, about the rank being set in the first 30 days, isn't true anymore?

But being seen can change, I see you posted a quote. Rank is the same but page and search can be different. I think I'll buy in for seasonal or trending.

« Reply #59 on: May 03, 2022, 11:41 »
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Urgh never mind.

Pond is not a concept it's a Noun.

Obviously. Pond wasn't meant to be a concept. Pond was just an obvious word in the title and keyword that someone would type to find dragonflies. The title that was rejected stated something like "Golden ringed Dragonfly basking in the sun after feeding near a pond. Scientific name (Latin name). It was rejected for the scientific name and keyword pond, life. Pond insects. Flying pond bugs all find dragonflies in the search bar. But I wasn't allowed Pond because there was no pond. It was a stupid refusal. I won't debate that any longer because it is patently obviously a pond related subject. Or stream either is correct.

I believe I did point out various examples of this rigidity being lame. I stated that we could no longer have conceptual titles because a photo titled meditation would now have to become "woman sitting oddly alone in room. But we cant have room because only one wall can be seen. Prisoner becomes "young man sitting on generic bed against a wall wearing grey overalls. No prison visible.

I guess it comes down to how badly do adobe want their photos to be found. Not very in that case. And I'm a native speaker of English. So to throw these subjective obstacles in the way is tiresome. It was removed on my behalf and then published. Well I say refused it was placed in a limbo state until I corrected mistakes. After 3 goes I couldn't work out why which is why I asked for help and the explanation given that title must be in English not foriegn languages (Latin is the only name for some insects but whatever) that I can only title what is visible which makes conceptual ideas risky and that future repeated instances of rule breaking like this could result in 'keyword spamming' and closure of account.

Pond. Ok lol  jeeze

« Reply #60 on: May 03, 2022, 12:30 »
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The algorithm apparently changed a huge deal today, at least for me. My older files from the Fotolia times are keyworded in German, the newer ones in English. Now when I search for something, the translation doesn't work anymore. It means that my older, all times best sellers are not even considered by the search when the buyer uses an English keyword. This wans't the case until yesterday, because I happened to check something and it worked fine. Now even if I sort by downloads, any best seller with thousands of DLs is just not there. Can anybody run some tests and confirm this? Mat from Adobe, can you help please? I really hope something is temporarily wrong and this is not intentional. Thanks.



I have not been made aware of any changes to the system recently.

-Mat

Hey Mat,

Is there an Email or phone number I can call at Adobe for contributors. I'm having problems with my account.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2022, 12:34 by micahbree »

« Reply #61 on: May 03, 2022, 12:51 »
0
The algorithm apparently changed a huge deal today, at least for me. My older files from the Fotolia times are keyworded in German, the newer ones in English. Now when I search for something, the translation doesn't work anymore. It means that my older, all times best sellers are not even considered by the search when the buyer uses an English keyword. This wans't the case until yesterday, because I happened to check something and it worked fine. Now even if I sort by downloads, any best seller with thousands of DLs is just not there. Can anybody run some tests and confirm this? Mat from Adobe, can you help please? I really hope something is temporarily wrong and this is not intentional. Thanks.



I have not been made aware of any changes to the system recently.

-Mat

Hey Mat,

Is there an Email or phone number I can call at Adobe for contributors. I'm having problems with my account.

[email protected]

« Reply #62 on: May 04, 2022, 08:57 »
+3
Urgh never mind.

Pond is not a concept it's a Noun.

Obviously. Pond wasn't meant to be a concept. Pond was just an obvious word in the title and keyword that someone would type to find dragonflies. The title that was rejected stated something like "Golden ringed Dragonfly basking in the sun after feeding near a pond. Scientific name (Latin name). It was rejected for the scientific name and keyword pond, life. Pond insects. Flying pond bugs all find dragonflies in the search bar. But I wasn't allowed Pond because there was no pond. It was a stupid refusal. I won't debate that any longer because it is patently obviously a pond related subject. Or stream either is correct.

I believe I did point out various examples of this rigidity being lame. I stated that we could no longer have conceptual titles because a photo titled meditation would now have to become "woman sitting oddly alone in room. But we cant have room because only one wall can be seen. Prisoner becomes "young man sitting on generic bed against a wall wearing grey overalls. No prison visible.

I guess it comes down to how badly do adobe want their photos to be found. Not very in that case. And I'm a native speaker of English. So to throw these subjective obstacles in the way is tiresome. It was removed on my behalf and then published. Well I say refused it was placed in a limbo state until I corrected mistakes. After 3 goes I couldn't work out why which is why I asked for help and the explanation given that title must be in English not foriegn languages (Latin is the only name for some insects but whatever) that I can only title what is visible which makes conceptual ideas risky and that future repeated instances of rule breaking like this could result in 'keyword spamming' and closure of account.

Pond. Ok lol  jeeze

Obviously you are wrong. I find many images with Latin names in title and many with concept words that you claim they don't allow. You are wrong or lying.

https://stock.adobe.com/search?k=dragonfly&search_type=default-asset-click&asset_id=469521372

Maybe you are just watched more because you are a keyword spammer and got caught.

« Reply #63 on: May 05, 2022, 03:01 »
0
Urgh never mind.

Pond is not a concept it's a Noun.

Obviously. Pond wasn't meant to be a concept. Pond was just an obvious word in the title and keyword that someone would type to find dragonflies. The title that was rejected stated something like "Golden ringed Dragonfly basking in the sun after feeding near a pond. Scientific name (Latin name). It was rejected for the scientific name and keyword pond, life. Pond insects. Flying pond bugs all find dragonflies in the search bar. But I wasn't allowed Pond because there was no pond. It was a stupid refusal. I won't debate that any longer because it is patently obviously a pond related subject. Or stream either is correct.

I believe I did point out various examples of this rigidity being lame. I stated that we could no longer have conceptual titles because a photo titled meditation would now have to become "woman sitting oddly alone in room. But we cant have room because only one wall can be seen. Prisoner becomes "young man sitting on generic bed against a wall wearing grey overalls. No prison visible.

I guess it comes down to how badly do adobe want their photos to be found. Not very in that case. And I'm a native speaker of English. So to throw these subjective obstacles in the way is tiresome. It was removed on my behalf and then published. Well I say refused it was placed in a limbo state until I corrected mistakes. After 3 goes I couldn't work out why which is why I asked for help and the explanation given that title must be in English not foriegn languages (Latin is the only name for some insects but whatever) that I can only title what is visible which makes conceptual ideas risky and that future repeated instances of rule breaking like this could result in 'keyword spamming' and closure of account.

Pond. Ok lol  jeeze

Obviously you are wrong. I find many images with Latin names in title and many with concept words that you claim they don't allow. You are wrong or lying.

https://stock.adobe.com/search?k=dragonfly&search_type=default-asset-click&asset_id=469521372

Maybe you are just watched more because you are a keyword spammer and got caught.

I would be very careful calling people liars if I were you. A very silly post to make. And rather than make you look even more foolish I'll just ignore the rest of what you wrote, will write, have ever written. You will now be consigned to the ridiculous draw along with feather boas, dog paw washers, and verruca socks.

« Reply #64 on: May 06, 2022, 16:55 »
+2
What the chart shows is lower prices don't translate into more sales but rather the same or less sales and lower commissions.

« Reply #65 on: May 06, 2022, 17:28 »
+1
Same here 😳

« Reply #66 on: May 13, 2022, 06:34 »
0
Urgh never mind.

Pond is not a concept it's a Noun.

Obviously. Pond wasn't meant to be a concept. Pond was just an obvious word in the title and keyword that someone would type to find dragonflies. The title that was rejected stated something like "Golden ringed Dragonfly basking in the sun after feeding near a pond. Scientific name (Latin name). It was rejected for the scientific name and keyword pond, life. Pond insects. Flying pond bugs all find dragonflies in the search bar. But I wasn't allowed Pond because there was no pond. It was a stupid refusal. I won't debate that any longer because it is patently obviously a pond related subject. Or stream either is correct.

I believe I did point out various examples of this rigidity being lame. I stated that we could no longer have conceptual titles because a photo titled meditation would now have to become "woman sitting oddly alone in room. But we cant have room because only one wall can be seen. Prisoner becomes "young man sitting on generic bed against a wall wearing grey overalls. No prison visible.

I guess it comes down to how badly do adobe want their photos to be found. Not very in that case. And I'm a native speaker of English. So to throw these subjective obstacles in the way is tiresome. It was removed on my behalf and then published. Well I say refused it was placed in a limbo state until I corrected mistakes. After 3 goes I couldn't work out why which is why I asked for help and the explanation given that title must be in English not foriegn languages (Latin is the only name for some insects but whatever) that I can only title what is visible which makes conceptual ideas risky and that future repeated instances of rule breaking like this could result in 'keyword spamming' and closure of account.

Pond. Ok lol  jeeze

Obviously you are wrong. I find many images with Latin names in title and many with concept words that you claim they don't allow. You are wrong or lying.

https://stock.adobe.com/search?k=dragonfly&search_type=default-asset-click&asset_id=469521372

Maybe you are just watched more because you are a keyword spammer and got caught.
I followed your link and many more have Latin names titles. You're right, that is allowed. Anyone who says it's not is obviously wrong and spreading misinformation.

Asian Groundling dragonfly (Brachythemis contaminata) by fish pond,

« Reply #67 on: May 14, 2022, 09:04 »
+2
Urgh never mind.

Pond is not a concept it's a Noun.

Obviously. Pond wasn't meant to be a concept. Pond was just an obvious word in the title and keyword that someone would type to find dragonflies. The title that was rejected stated something like "Golden ringed Dragonfly basking in the sun after feeding near a pond. Scientific name (Latin name). It was rejected for the scientific name and keyword pond, life. Pond insects. Flying pond bugs all find dragonflies in the search bar. But I wasn't allowed Pond because there was no pond. It was a stupid refusal. I won't debate that any longer because it is patently obviously a pond related subject. Or stream either is correct.

I believe I did point out various examples of this rigidity being lame. I stated that we could no longer have conceptual titles because a photo titled meditation would now have to become "woman sitting oddly alone in room. But we cant have room because only one wall can be seen. Prisoner becomes "young man sitting on generic bed against a wall wearing grey overalls. No prison visible.

I guess it comes down to how badly do adobe want their photos to be found. Not very in that case. And I'm a native speaker of English. So to throw these subjective obstacles in the way is tiresome. It was removed on my behalf and then published. Well I say refused it was placed in a limbo state until I corrected mistakes. After 3 goes I couldn't work out why which is why I asked for help and the explanation given that title must be in English not foriegn languages (Latin is the only name for some insects but whatever) that I can only title what is visible which makes conceptual ideas risky and that future repeated instances of rule breaking like this could result in 'keyword spamming' and closure of account.

Pond. Ok lol  jeeze

Obviously you are wrong. I find many images with Latin names in title and many with concept words that you claim they don't allow. You are wrong or lying.

https://stock.adobe.com/search?k=dragonfly&search_type=default-asset-click&asset_id=469521372

Maybe you are just watched more because you are a keyword spammer and got caught.
I followed your link and many more have Latin names titles. You're right, that is allowed. Anyone who says it's not is obviously wrong and spreading misinformation.

Asian Groundling dragonfly (Brachythemis contaminata) by fish pond,

Some children have imaginary friends, some microstockers have imaginary rules that aren't real, that they make up. When a microstocker gets a rejection they blame the review instead of admitting its their own mistake. When you are wrong, always, blame someone else and then attack the person telling the truth or correcting a lie.


 

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