In case you haven't seen the other thread please view http://www.microstockgroup.com/alamy-com/alamy-creativity/msg255358/?topicseen#new for info on how Veer are putting your portfolio on Alamy, I've also added details of how you can delete your portfolio from Veer if they don't allow opting out from this collection.

Quote from: RT on May 16, 2012, 08:47
In case you haven't seen the other thread please view http://www.microstockgroup.com/alamy-com/alamy-creativity/msg255358/?topicseen#new for info on how Veer are putting your portfolio on Alamy, I've also added details of how you can delete your portfolio from Veer if they don't allow opting out from this collection.

Thanks RT,  just a question, why are you opting out? is it a bad deal or what?

best.

Is it a bad deal 

Alamy pay you 60% commission - Veer will pay you a fraction of that. For anybody that already has their content on Alamy it would appear that (from peoples posts in the thread above) that content is being removed under your own Alamy psuedonym.

In other words this is a scheme that could potentially lose you huge amounts of money.

I make on Veer less than 1% of what I make on Alamy - bad deal is an understatement!

This is not acceptable.
I want to opt out Veer!!!
I prefere to clean my photos from Veer.

Wow.  I didn't know anything about this.  Thanks RT.

If the keywords were left intact, and the commission didn't drop below 50%, I'd actually be quite happy for the Veer arrangement to save me from the relatively arduous upload process at Alamy.     

Wishful thinking I know...

I see one of mine on there $245 for the largest size.
Hope I'm not getting a couple of dollars if it sells.

Quote from: rubyroo on May 16, 2012, 09:44
Wow.  I didn't know anything about this.  Thanks RT.

If the keywords were left intact, and the commission didn't drop below 50%, I'd actually be quite happy for the Veer arrangement to save me from the relatively arduous upload process at Alamy.     

Wishful thinking I know...

But that'd be 50% of the 60% Alamy would give you for the exact same image, and of course we don't actually know what percentage Veer pay for a 'partner sale', either way you'd lose a shed load of money.

Just realised -  I'm flying out of the country in a few hours so won't be able to reply to any of your responses till next week.

And on that note I've just emailed Veer asking them to close my account unless they allow me to opt out of their partner API.

Ah yes... of course I meant if the return to me was 50% rather than 60% (i.e. if Veer took only 10%).

Better still... Alamy could make the upload process less long-winded, and I'll just keep the 60%.

(Forgive me for screwy logic... I only just got out of bed).

what! OMG! This is the end of Veer for non-exclusives!

Where is Brian? We need answers about this!

Brian,  he's moved onto other stuff than answering here.

Thanks to RT for letting me know about this. Looks like I have a random couple of dozen images that have gone across. Pretty sure they are from Veer as it is under a user name I only use on a couple of sites, Veer being one.
I am also going to get onto Veer about this and will consider pulling my port from Veer if not given a choice to opt out.
Don't see why I should allow Veer to take a cut of my money for putting up images that I already have on Alamy.

We need to find out if Alamy will accept images through Veer if they already have them on the Alamy site.  If not then I will just make sure that I always upload to Alamy first.
Has anybody got any images on line through Veer that were first uploaded to Alamy?

Quote from: fotografer on May 16, 2012, 11:20
Has anybody got any images on line through Veer that were first uploaded to Alamy?

Yes so far just short of 500, hence I've terminated my Veer account. I hate all these 'partner' type agreements, and there's no way I'm going to let Veer or anyone else make money off me by uploading my images to a site I'm already on, I uploaded to them because I wanted them to market my images, not take the lazy approach and take a cut from a sale on another site that does actually do marketing.

Also yes, there are now two versions of the files up there, one under the  "Alamy Creativity / Alamy" banner (through Veer I am assuming) and one under my Alamy pseudonym

Quote from: RT on May 16, 2012, 11:25

Quote from: fotografer on May 16, 2012, 11:20
Has anybody got any images on line through Veer that were first uploaded to Alamy?

Yes so far just short of 500, hence I've terminated my Veer account. I hate all these 'partner' type agreements, and there's no way I'm going to let Veer or anyone else make money off me by uploading my images to a site I'm already on, I uploaded to them because I wanted them to market my images, not take the lazy approach and take a cut from a sale on another site that does actually do marketing.

Thankyou.

Quote from: RT on May 16, 2012, 11:25

Quote from: fotografer on May 16, 2012, 11:20
Has anybody got any images on line through Veer that were first uploaded to Alamy?

Yes so far just short of 500, hence I've terminated my Veer account. I hate all these 'partner' type agreements, and there's no way I'm going to let Veer or anyone else make money off me by uploading my images to a site I'm already on, I uploaded to them because I wanted them to market my images, not take the lazy approach and take a cut from a sale on another site that does actually do marketing.

Exactly! Completely agree!
Veer is making money on our work without marketing expenses...
I will wait next several days,then I'll decide...

Quote from: RT on May 16, 2012, 09:01
Is it a bad deal 

Alamy pay you 60% commission - Veer will pay you a fraction of that. For anybody that already has their content on Alamy it would appear that (from peoples posts in the thread above) that content is being removed under your own Alamy psuedonym.

In other words this is a scheme that could potentially lose you huge amounts of money.

I make on Veer less than 1% of what I make on Alamy - bad deal is an understatement!

Oh alright then, I asked because I havent followed this one bit and.

Does Veer generally keep money in your account that is under the payout limit if you quit?   I would just remove the images from Veer that they have transferred to Alamy Creativity but that does not seem to be possible.

fred

Quote from: RT on May 16, 2012, 09:01
it would appear that (from peoples posts in the thread above) that content is being removed under your own Alamy psuedonym.

I don't think that's what they meant. I think the point was that Alamy don't try to determine whether or not images are duplicates. It still leaves you competing against yourself with Veer hoping to take a slice of your earnings.

Quote from: qwerty on May 16, 2012, 11:01
Brian,  he's moved onto other stuff than answering here.

Hm!

Once before he was answering here with a big pleasure, or anybody else from Veer...
Maybe now they earn much more with our Alamy sales, so answering here can be beneath their dignity now, or what...?
I doubt...

I've send them the following:

"I see that you are now rerouting content to Alamy, which potentially puts me in the curious position of competing against myself in order to pass a slice of my commissions to you.

Given the level of sales here, it seems quite possible  that my loss in commission share  from Alamy will exceed any extra I make from sales through your own site.

Obviously, a situation where I risk losing money as a consequence of allowing you to represent my work makes no sense at all.  For the time being I will cease uploading. I won't close my account yet as only about 4% of my portfolio is currently in your hands and so far my work does not appear to have been transferred to Alamy, so I can wait on events.

Please let me know if you decide to offer an opt-out from this scheme or to scrap the tie-in with Alamy, in which case I will be able to resume uploading,"

Hopefully, if they get enough protests it will persuade them to alter the arrangement.

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on May 16, 2012, 14:14
I've send them the following:

"I see that you are now rerouting content to Alamy, which potentially puts me in the curious position of competing against myself in order to pass a slice of my commissions to you.

Given the level of sales here, it seems quite possible  that my loss in commission share  from Alamy will exceed any extra I make from sales through your own site.

Obviously, a situation where I risk losing money as a consequence of allowing you to represent my work makes no sense at all.  For the time being I will cease uploading. I won't close my account yet as only about 4% of my portfolio is currently in your hands and so far my work does not appear to have been transferred to Alamy, so I can wait on events.

Please let me know if you decide to offer an opt-out from this scheme or to scrap the tie-in with Alamy, in which case I will be able to resume uploading,"

Hopefully, if they get enough protests it will persuade them to alter the arrangement.

Excellent letter!

I'm so tired of all these partner programs.  Here's a messed up story for you guys: There's a woman here at MSG who has only posted once about how she terminated her account at StockXpert 2-3 weeks prior (early October 2011) and was wondering if she'd get paid whatever money was left in her account.  Since she couldn't access her account anymore, she couldn't check to see if she had been paid.  Anyway,  I found her post as she neared StockXpert's 90-day image removal deadline, and when I searched Thinkstock and Photos.com, I discovered her StockXpert images were still online...five of them, to be exact.

Fast forward to today, and not only are all five images still online...StockXpert has since added 151 images to Thinkstock (two have been removed from Photos.com, so she's down to three).  Think she's been getting paid these past seven months??  I doubt it.  I consulted an attorney about StockXpert's contract, which says they have 90 days to use "reasonable efforts" to get images removed from the partner sites, and he said she cannot sue for copyright infringement, because "reasonable efforts" is such a broad definition that favors StockXpert.  So not only is StockXpert keeping her money, she can't even sue for blatant copyright infringement.  It's ridiculous!!!  

Yep!  these PP, programs are killers and totally unpredictable. A large Swedish RF agency places pics with both Getty, Alamy and Corbis. They sell quite well actually, only the original Swedish agency has been in deep financial troubles, so no photographer have been paid for ages, in spite of their material selling well.
This is all a bunch of garbage really, ofcourse someone is making money exept the ones created the images.
Somebody I know threatened to take them to court, sure enough he was paid within 2 weeks.

This is alarming.  But I am still confused on one point.  Are Alamy, or are they not, removing the images we've uploaded ourselves, when a duplicate is uploaded through another channel?