Think of the revenue stream Adobe will produce (assuming they were to keep all their customers).  For me, I would need PS so that is $20 a month in perpetuity.  In 10 years I would spend $2400.  Normally I use a release for 5 years, so in that 10 years I'd make two purchases for, say at $700 a pop, totals $1400.  They pull in an extra grand from one single person for that 10 year subscription.  I know cloud services is the way of the future but it will come at a heavy expense to some people, while making profits head over heels for Adobe.  Not having to mass produce DVD's, packaging, warehousing, shipping, etc will add to their operating income I'd bet significantly.  Yes, they will have expenses to manage the cloud, but I doubt at the same financial requirements as producing & maintaining inventory for a global market.

And I bet all those who currently use it for free will still find ways of doing so.

I remember years ago Microsoft floated this idea to its corporate accounts and the response was a big NO. I bet if a large number of the customers said that were not going to use this model it would go away

why are the FAQs just rehashes of the info provided?

what happens after 12 months? is it like a gym membership, I get to lock in my price and stay on that plan month to month. they haven't thought that part through yet, I suspect.

QuoteYou can purchase a single-app membership plan; however, it is more cost effective to purchase the Creative Cloud complete individual plan, which gives you access to our most popular desktop apps and services.

lol, well true, if you use the other stuff.
seriously, who writes this stuff??
they may finally sucker me into paying more to get Lightroom.

is this a concern?

QuoteThe following Creative Cloud apps support Mac OS X v10.6.8 and later:

Extension Manager
Illustrator CC
InCopy® CC
InDesign CC
Adobe Muse CC
Products not listed here are not supported on Mac OS X v10.6.

um, not seeing Photoshop on that list.

Quote from: gillian on May 07, 2013, 00:03
why are the FAQs just rehashes of the info provided?

what happens after 12 months? is it like a gym membership, I get to lock in my price and stay on that plan month to month. they haven't thought that part through yet, I suspect.

Prior to 12 months, they sent me an email saying that my subscription would auto-renew. If I wanted to adjust my renewal options, I could log in to my account.

CS2 works fine for me. I dont need fancy filters in new versions.

Quote from: Suljo on May 07, 2013, 00:38
CS2 works fine for me. I dont need fancy filters in new versions.

It all depends on your workflow, I suppose.   For me, Adobe always wins when I buy a new camera body and my older version of Camera RAW doesn't support the new RAW file.   Then I shake my fist in the air and yell "Adoooooobeeeeee!" in my best Captain Kirk.

(And, yes, I know I can use the software the comes in the camera to process RAW files, and that might even produce better results, but I don't want to add another step or more file types to my current process)

On the website it mentions photoshop but not lightroom.

^ interesting point. They've created Lr to sell to those who can't afford PS, but now that's a moot point? you'll pay the same to have a single application.  Presuming ACR is still bundled with PS then it's a far better option to have that combo.

Quote from: fieldsphotos on May 07, 2013, 02:36

Quote from: Suljo on May 07, 2013, 00:38
CS2 works fine for me. I dont need fancy filters in new versions.

It all depends on your workflow, I suppose.   For me, Adobe always wins when I buy a new camera body and my older version of Camera RAW doesn't support the new RAW file.   Then I shake my fist in the air and yell "Adoooooobeeeeee!" in my best Captain Kirk.

(And, yes, I know I can use the software the comes in the camera to process RAW files, and that might even produce better results, but I don't want to add another step or more file types to my current process)

Why not just use the free Adobe DNG Converter?  It's easy to convert a folder of images.

it's amazing that some of my clients claim microstock photos are expansive !

I have been using Photoshop since version 3 I started using it in the first place because My clients wanted a standard file that they could edit. I only work for myself now so that's not an issue. I will not pay a subscription for software. CS6 works fine for me and I will stick with it until something better comes along  with no subscription. ( I don't want to work out how much money I have spent on software but it is somewhere between a new car and a new House).

lol, where I live that's about $1.2M. are you sure you're not exaggerating just a wee bit?

Quote from: gillian on May 07, 2013, 11:39
lol, where I live that's about $1.2M. are you sure you're not exaggerating just a wee bit?

Yikes!
It depends where you live.
Hereabouts a new car equivalent to the one I have just now is under £10K and I could happily live in a house currently selling around here for £100,000, but of course you can get cheaper and much more expensive versions of both.
I dread to count it up, but almost certainly I've spent more on software than my current car is worth.
I need to buy shares in Adobe!

I utilize most of Adobe software and I am excited by subscription...access to all their software and always having the latest version is a huge plus...and $50 a month is less than I pay for most things...as a freelancer it's actually better than having to pay $$$$ to upgrade an entire suite...I'm excited by this. Adobe has a cloud connected stylus and ruler coming that also looks awesome and can be used on our tablet.

This seems to be he way a lt of software is going.

Quote from: sharpshot on May 07, 2013, 07:24

Quote from: fieldsphotos on May 07, 2013, 02:36

Quote from: Suljo on May 07, 2013, 00:38
CS2 works fine for me. I dont need fancy filters in new versions.

It all depends on your workflow, I suppose.   For me, Adobe always wins when I buy a new camera body and my older version of Camera RAW doesn't support the new RAW file.   Then I shake my fist in the air and yell "Adoooooobeeeeee!" in my best Captain Kirk.

(And, yes, I know I can use the software the comes in the camera to process RAW files, and that might even produce better results, but I don't want to add another step or more file types to my current process)

Why not just use the free Adobe DNG Converter?  It's easy to convert a folder of images.

That's what I do - put all new raws in a To Be Converted folder, open DNG Converter and convert them all with one click, then move them to my current work folder.  Fast and easy.  After that they will open up in ACR for white balance adjustments, etc.

Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on May 07, 2013, 12:54

Quote from: sharpshot on May 07, 2013, 07:24

Quote from: fieldsphotos on May 07, 2013, 02:36

Quote from: Suljo on May 07, 2013, 00:38
CS2 works fine for me. I dont need fancy filters in new versions.

It all depends on your workflow, I suppose.   For me, Adobe always wins when I buy a new camera body and my older version of Camera RAW doesn't support the new RAW file.   Then I shake my fist in the air and yell "Adoooooobeeeeee!" in my best Captain Kirk.

(And, yes, I know I can use the software the comes in the camera to process RAW files, and that might even produce better results, but I don't want to add another step or more file types to my current process)

Why not just use the free Adobe DNG Converter?  It's easy to convert a folder of images.

That's what I do - put all new raws in a To Be Converted folder, open DNG Converter and convert them all with one click, then move them to my current work folder.  Fast and easy.  After that they will open up in ACR for white balance adjustments, etc.

I think I'll forget I read that.
I was thinking that the sub deal, combined with not being able to upgrade PS alone, would mean I could forget totally about upgrading cameras, though of course the Mk2s should do me for years yet.

"UPDATE: It appears Adobe will still offer perpetual licenses (also see video below where the Creative Cloud is touted "as an option," not the de facto way of procuring Adobe software). They're just down playing it in order to push their Creative Cloud offerings."

http://ryanholmes.me/cutcolorpost/2013/4/7/adobe-and-creative-cloud

Quote from: Eyedesign on May 07, 2013, 13:08
"UPDATE: It appears Adobe will still offer perpetual licenses (also see video below where the Creative Cloud is touted "as an option," not the de facto way of procuring Adobe software). They're just down playing it in order to push their Creative Cloud offerings."

http://ryanholmes.me/cutcolorpost/2013/4/7/adobe-and-creative-cloud

Check the date on that article.

I was talking about how much I have spent an all software not just adobe although I have over the years had to buy 11 versions of adobe software for PC and 5 for Mac. 3ds max and Maya are the most expensive at £3200 each for current versions.( they used to be a lot lot more). and plug-in's are often over a K.

I was talking to a friend who does alot of remote location shoots without internet connections -- the cloud will be worthless to him.

Quote from: oxman on May 07, 2013, 15:44
I was talking to a friend who does alot of remote location shoots without internet connections -- the cloud will be worthless to him.

From Adobe's FAQ:

QuoteDo I need ongoing Internet access to use my Creative Cloud desktop applications?

No.  Your Creative Cloud desktop applications (such as Photoshop and Illustrator) are installed directly on your computer, so you won't need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis.

You will need to be online when you install and license your software. If you have an annual membership, you'll be asked to connect to the web to validate your software licenses every 30 days.  However, you'll be able to use products for 180 days even if you're offline.

If you upgrade on a regular basis is the $20 per month cheaper than a once ever 12 month or so regular upgrade. If you skip one or two versions like I do it's not.

Quote from: Zeus on May 07, 2013, 16:10
If you upgrade on a regular basis is the $20 per month cheaper than a once ever 12 month or so regular upgrade. If you skip one or two versions like I do it's not.

People like you are the reason for this.  You are costing Adobe Money.   

Just kidding.

Adobe is a pack of greedy slobs.

Quote from: fieldsphotos on May 06, 2013, 19:05
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/05/06/adobe-launches-new-creative-cloud-only-apps-and-services-photoshop-cc-indesign-cc-illustrator-cc-dreamweaver-cc-and-more/


Man, I don't like having to pay a subscription for software - I was on the "every other verision" with my Photoshop purchases.   I currently have PS 5 and was waiting until PS 7 for a possible upgrade.   

I may think about changing my workflow.  Lightroom has become almost all of my workflow - as soon as they add perspective corrections to it, I might not need Photoshop for much anymore.     

I also have a purchased copy of Illustrator, which I guess is going to be doing the same thing.  Guess that is the last Illustrator copy I will buy for a loooong time, as I am not enough of a vector artist to justify the subscription price.