Does anyone know what happens to the third party plug-ins such as Nik software when PS is subscribed?

That was great 

Adobe is playing with fire, a LOT of people will stick with CS6 forever, millions of others will stick to cracked versions.

They're only alienating their legitimate customers.

Quark managed to destroy itself as well years ago when it was market leader, and so did Macromedia, Aldus, and many others.

They know very well Photoshop is already a finished product, bloated, and suffering from feature creep.
There will be no revolutionary features added anytime soon, the healing brush was the only one in almost a decade and it could have been done easily by 3rd party addons.

For photographers it makes even less sense to switch to the cloud considering how good is Lightroom for most of our needs.

Let's face it, technologically speaking there's not much more to innovate in digital photography, the big difference is that nowadays hardware is cheap, cpus are faster, hard disks are bigger and we've also SSDs, big monitors cost a pittance.

The switch to the cloud model will be just about pushing small upgrades, maybe they'll integrate some 3rd party addons into PS but it's no big deal, i mean certainly no big deal for us, for designers it's another story they'll be locked forever into the CS Suite and i can't see any decent alternative around, this stuff is jus too complex to even dream about making a competitive product .. i hear people mentioning PixelMator, Corel, Gimp, GimpShop .. can't think a single professional would switch to that cr-ap.

Acdsee Pro 6 is a decent and better alternative to Bridge, but not even in the same league as Lightroom, Photo Mechanic great for news photographers, but for anything else hmmm ?

Quote from: Xanox on May 09, 2013, 02:16
Adobe is playing with fire, a LOT of people will stick with CS6 forever, millions of others will stick to cracked versions.

They're only alienating their legitimate customers.

I'm thinking they think their legitimate customers are the ones that buy the whole suite on a regular basis. It stinks for the little guy that just wants to buy Photoshop every 5 or 10 years, but how much should Adobe really cater to that segment of their market.

I would imagine that they didn't take this step lightly and that they looked at the numbers of subscriptions purchased in the last year or so. Let's not forget that this is a business. A savvy one that has cornered its market. They are in this to make money and keep their customers coming back.

Scott Bourne thinks 90% of those complaining are using pirated copies:
http://photofocus.com/2013/05/08/10-reasons-the-haters-are-mad-about-adobe-creative-cloud/

I've upgraded PS from CS3 to CS4 to CS5 to CS6, so clearly I'm one who should be very happy about this change. But I'm not; not at all. I do not like renting software. I plan to stay with CS6 unless they come up with some PS enhancement that I simply cannot work without (I rather doubt that will happen).

Considering Scott get paid by Adobe to push their product why should this surprise us. Scott is getting jis butt handed to him on that site and he closed the comments. I stopped listening to Scott long ago.

Adobe bought most of their competitors, discontinued applications, giving us less options to choose from. Relearning software to accomplish the same thing a different way has been such a waste of my time and money. Now, with the lack of competition, they think they've got us by the balls. I started with Photoshop 1.0 quite a few upgrades ago.

Quote from: Freedom on May 09, 2013, 00:44
Does anyone know what happens to the third party plug-ins such as Nik software when PS is subscribed?

All Plugins still work the same way, I use quite a few and had no problems. For the plugin, PS is PS, no difference between subscription and bought versions.

Quote from: KB on May 09, 2013, 04:01
Scott Bourne thinks 90% of those complaining are using pirated copies:
http://photofocus.com/2013/05/08/10-reasons-the-haters-are-mad-about-adobe-creative-cloud/

I've upgraded PS from CS3 to CS4 to CS5 to CS6, so clearly I'm one who should be very happy about this change. But I'm not; not at all. I do not like renting software. I plan to stay with CS6 unless they come up with some PS enhancement that I simply cannot work without (I rather doubt that will happen).

i think 90% of cracked copies is a realistic number

however, they will KEEP using pirated copies including the new CC Suite, do they really think it's such a hard thing to crack a callback activation ? it will be cracked in 48 hrs and thanks for all the fish.

every Adobe product has been cracked and same for all the best plugins, and in plus they've been cracked brilliantly as they all work 100%.

the only top-tier software that hasnt been cracked so far is Cubase 6 and 7.

Quote from: cthoman on May 09, 2013, 03:47

Quote from: Xanox on May 09, 2013, 02:16
Adobe is playing with fire, a LOT of people will stick with CS6 forever, millions of others will stick to cracked versions.

They're only alienating their legitimate customers.

I'm thinking they think their legitimate customers are the ones that buy the whole suite on a regular basis. It stinks for the little guy that just wants to buy Photoshop every 5 or 10 years, but how much should Adobe really cater to that segment of their market.

I would imagine that they didn't take this step lightly and that they looked at the numbers of subscriptions purchased in the last year or so. Let's not forget that this is a business. A savvy one that has cornered its market. They are in this to make money and keep their customers coming back.

of course they know what they're doing but MAYBE they're underestimating the domino effect it will create in the long term.

if we look at MS Office 365 it's not looking like a booming success no matter how microsoft is in denial.

i mean the issue here is that we're talking of switching from how software has been meant to be in the last 30 yrs to a whole new "rental" business concept.

and i don't know anybody who likes the idea of renting a software.
actually it would make more sense for hardware.

Wow! A good one. Crappy ending, however. Just for that, I'm not going to share it 

Quote from: rubyroo on May 08, 2013, 22:31

Well it had to happen... someone's done one of those Hitler spoof vids on the CC issue. I love these things:)

(Contains swearing):

Hitler learns about Adobe's new Creative Cloud model.

Quote from: Freedom on May 09, 2013, 00:44
Does anyone know what happens to the third party plug-ins such as Nik software when PS is subscribed?

EXTREMELY important point, for me anyway. 

Quote from: KB on May 09, 2013, 04:01
Scott Bourne thinks 90% of those complaining are using pirated copies:
http://photofocus.com/2013/05/08/10-reasons-the-haters-are-mad-about-adobe-creative-cloud/

I've upgraded PS from CS3 to CS4 to CS5 to CS6, so clearly I'm one who should be very happy about this change. But I'm not; not at all. I do not like renting software. I plan to stay with CS6 unless they come up with some PS enhancement that I simply cannot work without (I rather doubt that will happen).

I think scott is wrong. I have been buying adobe software since the beginning. Not pirating. And i am complaining. I am at cs5 and i will likely stay there. I whittled down my cable bill and cell phone bill because im tired of making huge monthly payments to greedy corporations who overcharge for the services because we dont have much choice. I am at cs5 and will stay there until a reasonable solution comes about. This is a great opportunity for someone to swoop in and take market share. Just like adobe did when quarkxpress screwed up.

Corel Paintshop Pro is highly underrated. If they had a Mac version, I'd use it. I don't think Corel is crap. Also GIMP is highly sophisticated. These things are far from "cr-ap". I've been a big Adobe user since the early 1990s in college through professional work. However, once a person overcomes a slight learning curve, switching to a new application is easy. With a will, it can be done. Also, many 3rd party Photoshop plugins work in stand-alone format (Noise Ninja, etc.). A tweak to workflow and you'll be free of the Adobe handcuffs. After Adobe's jacked-up cloud announcement, I'm ready to make the transition away from them—and tell all my customers and students about it.

FYI, for those interested, there is ACDsee for mac. I'm going to experiment with a free trial: http://www.acdsee.com/en/products/acdsee-pro-3-mac

Quote from: Xanox on May 09, 2013, 02:16
Adobe is playing with fire, a LOT of people will stick with CS6 forever, millions of others will stick to cracked versions.

The switch to the cloud model will be just about pushing small upgrades, maybe they'll integrate some 3rd party addons into PS but it's no big deal, i mean certainly no big deal for us, for designers it's another story they'll be locked forever into the CS Suite and i can't see any decent alternative around, this stuff is jus too complex to even dream about making a competitive product .. i hear people mentioning PixelMator, Corel, Gimp, GimpShop .. can't think a single professional would switch to that cr-ap.

Acdsee Pro 6 is a decent and better alternative to Bridge, but not even in the same league as Lightroom, Photo Mechanic great for news photographers, but for anything else hmmm ?

For most people, this will only be an issue when either ACC or one of the other programs introduces a must-have feature. Otherwise, we'd stay with whatever version of PS we currently have, at least until Adobe play really mean and won't let us register our existing software if we change computers.

Quote from: ShadySue on May 09, 2013, 13:36
For most people, this will only be an issue when either ACC or one of the other programs introduces a must-have feature. Otherwise, we'd stay with whatever version of PS we currently have, at least until Adobe play really mean and won't let us register our existing software if we change computers.

I was having this conversation with my wife yesterday. Last time I tried this it didn't work.  I deactivated my license, got a new computer and it wouldn't accept my license.  So I called Adobe and all I got was an Indian from India who in broken English told me he couldn't help me.  And this was CS4 suite.  I ended up having to purchase a new suite because Adobe customer service SUCKED!!!!!

i use AcdSee since 1997 or 98 when it was just an image viewer.

now it's maybe on par with Bridge but there are many useful batch functions.

i've never used the Pro 6 for RAW development or even for color correction, the interface is just cumbersome and i see no reason having already Lightroom and PS.

however, if you've nothing else i guess it can get the job done, more or less all the functions of LR are there.

petition:
http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model

That sucks, don't know what I am going to do about it. Hate the idea of subscribing.

Software developers have to find a new model, thanks to people's complete lack of scruples about stealing the stuff, hopefully they find a better one than this.

Quote from: luissantos84 on May 09, 2013, 14:16
petition:
http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model

signed

I use LR and Nik for everything but complicated cloning/touchup in which case I jump over to CS5.  With the supposedly markedly improved healing brush in LR5 I suspect that will be it for PS in my workflow.

Lightroom 5 will be offered as standalone software as well as in the cloud.

http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/05/lightroom-and-the-creative-cloud.html

Thanks for the headsup.  I've been using CS4, but just bought CS6 as a result of this discussion.  At least I will have the most current version BEFORE the cloud subscription nonsense kicked in.

I have no intention of renting software.  F**k that. 

Quote from: Mantis on May 09, 2013, 13:44

Quote from: ShadySue on May 09, 2013, 13:36
For most people, this will only be an issue when either ACC or one of the other programs introduces a must-have feature. Otherwise, we'd stay with whatever version of PS we currently have, at least until Adobe play really mean and won't let us register our existing software if we change computers.

I was having this conversation with my wife yesterday. Last time I tried this it didn't work.  I deactivated my license, got a new computer and it wouldn't accept my license.  So I called Adobe and all I got was an Indian from India who in broken English told me he couldn't help me.  And this was CS4 suite.  I ended up having to purchase a new suite because Adobe customer service SUCKED!!!!!

I used their online chat to fix the same problem I had with Photoshop Elements.  Had it fixed in 5 minutes.

I could easily switch to lightroom, but if everyone does that to avoid the cloud, dont you think they will end up adding it solely into the cloud?