I kind of like some people here (no need for them to know who they are) and just because i can't stand their drivel i decided to post what -in my opinion- i consider maybe the 3 best articles posted on the the western media regarding isis and  their motives, and the western world's role in all this including a bonus insight (not that it's difficult to figure out anyway) regarding usa's role in the whole affair.

https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-west-created-the-islamic-state-dbfa6f83bc1f
http://www.juancole.com/2014/09/defensive-rhetoric-offense.html
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Long read.

Quote from: ShadySue on November 15, 2015, 23:00

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 15, 2015, 22:34
I hope EU stop funding them too, so they'll have another reason to leave this mess.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6668/germany-migrant-crime-wave

If you ever quit micro, you'll easily find a home at the Daily Mail.

ha ha...good point!

Quote from: gcrook on November 15, 2015, 23:16
I kind of like some people here (no need for them to know who they are) and just because i can't stand their drivel i decided to post what -in my opinion- i consider maybe the 3 best articles posted on the the western media regarding isis and  their motives, and the western world's role in all this including a bonus insight (not that it's difficult to figure out anyway) regarding usa's role in the whole affair.

https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-west-created-the-islamic-state-dbfa6f83bc1f
http://www.juancole.com/2014/09/defensive-rhetoric-offense.html
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Long read.

Great links, gcrook! Especially TheAtlantic, worth a read!

There are dozens of links from german news right there in front of your eyes, but you choose not to see.

I'm sure everything is fine in Germany, as long as it's not you or your family being raped.

If you dare, watch this 19min video. WARNING - it was edited for dramatic effect and it's not a pretty video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc&feature=youtu.be

You may not agree with the opinions in it, but you can't deny the self-evident scenes.

Anyway, sooner or later the truth will come out. Back to shooting.

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 15, 2015, 22:07
Even if 99,99% of freebie seekers are not terrorists, they certainly commit a hell lot of crime especially rape, sexual harassment and robbery. They will never show this on the mainstream media obviously, but there are tons of data available.

Germany: Leaked police report reveal that 38,000 Muslim "asylum seekers" committed 100 crimes per day in 2014
Imagine what's like in 2015 with 400% more illegals. When you take Germany away from the germans, the natural reaction is nationalism. It's a matter of survival, either you fight back or you're conquered. Common sense is coming back to Europe though, Poland and Latvia already said they won't take muslims anymore. Eurosceptic anti immigration parties will gain strength across Europe because people are tired of EU failure.

For you, Muslims are rapists, for Trump, Mexicans are. Be careful, for some other extremists, East Europeans like you are no different.

This is fascism by definition.

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Quote from: Zero Talent on November 15, 2015, 23:51

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 15, 2015, 22:07
Even if 99,99% of freebie seekers are not terrorists, they certainly commit a hell lot of crime especially rape, sexual harassment and robbery. They will never show this on the mainstream media obviously, but there are tons of data available.

Germany: Leaked police report reveal that 38,000 Muslim "asylum seekers" committed 100 crimes per day in 2014
Imagine what's like in 2015 with 400% more illegals. When you take Germany away from the germans, the natural reaction is nationalism. It's a matter of survival, either you fight back or you're conquered. Common sense is coming back to Europe though, Poland and Latvia already said they won't take muslims anymore. Eurosceptic anti immigration parties will gain strength across Europe because people are tired of EU failure.

For you, Muslims are rapists, for Trump, Mexicans are. Be careful, for some other extremists, East Europeans like you are no different.

This is fascism by definition.

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Don't put words in my mouth. People from certain countries statistically commit more crimes than european average, it's a fact even if you don't like it. Notice how Saudi Arabia wants to remain arab, Japan wants to remain japanese, China wants to remain chinese and african nations want to remain african. That's perfectly understandable and it does not make them extremists in any way. Why europeans are not allowed to have a country of their own? You think you're progressive and tolerant, but you're just anti-white. Go push for diversity in Saudi Arabia and leave my country alone.

* Anathaya - don't try to "white guilt" me. Was that supposed to be funny? Full of racist jokes.
If it were a white person making fun of immigrants, he would be in prison.

* R2d2 - I know many germans who will disagree with you, but suit yourself.
Just don't come begging to us when Germany turns into a failed state and you become the refugee.

* Zero Talent - you seem to have missed history class. Hitler invaded my country and killed us by the millions.
We don't want it to happen again. Thanks and goodbye.

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 16, 2015, 00:09

Quote from: Zero Talent on November 15, 2015, 23:51

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 15, 2015, 22:07
Even if 99,99% of freebie seekers are not terrorists, they certainly commit a hell lot of crime especially rape, sexual harassment and robbery. They will never show this on the mainstream media obviously, but there are tons of data available.

Germany: Leaked police report reveal that 38,000 Muslim "asylum seekers" committed 100 crimes per day in 2014
Imagine what's like in 2015 with 400% more illegals. When you take Germany away from the germans, the natural reaction is nationalism. It's a matter of survival, either you fight back or you're conquered. Common sense is coming back to Europe though, Poland and Latvia already said they won't take muslims anymore. Eurosceptic anti immigration parties will gain strength across Europe because people are tired of EU failure.

For you, Muslims are rapists, for Trump, Mexicans are. Be careful, for some other extremists, East Europeans like you are no different.

This is fascism by definition.

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Don't put words in my mouth. People from certain countries statistically commit more crimes than european average, it's a fact even if you don't like it. Notice how Saudi Arabia wants to remain arab, Japan wants to remain japanese, China wants to remain chinese and african nations want to remain african. That's perfectly understandable and it does not make them extremists in any way. Why europeans are not allowed to have a country of their own? You think you're progressive and tolerant, but you're just anti-white. Go push for diversity in Saudi Arabia and leave my country alone. Thanks and goodbye.

OMG! Anti-white? One more time: this is exactly what Hitler said about Jews and Gypsies, when he tried to build his pure Aryan nation.

Jews and "negros" were the criminals and the rapists, in the 40s.

"Moreover the Jew has in his veins a large element of Negro blood; his frizzy hair, his wolf lips, the colour of his eyeballs proves this as effectually as the insatiable sexual greed which hesitates at no crime and finds its supremest triumph in the brutal defilement of women of another race. This bestial lust obsesses even a barely mature Jew boy"

You would make a great SS officer.

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Quote from: Nikovsk on November 16, 2015, 00:09
Why europeans are not allowed to have a country of their own?

Why Europeans, together with Americans, want to put finger into matters of every other countries?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x306wiw

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 16, 2015, 00:09

Quote from: Zero Talent on November 15, 2015, 23:51

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 15, 2015, 22:07
Even if 99,99% of freebie seekers are not terrorists, they certainly commit a hell lot of crime especially rape, sexual harassment and robbery. They will never show this on the mainstream media obviously, but there are tons of data available.

Germany: Leaked police report reveal that 38,000 Muslim "asylum seekers" committed 100 crimes per day in 2014
Imagine what's like in 2015 with 400% more illegals. When you take Germany away from the germans, the natural reaction is nationalism. It's a matter of survival, either you fight back or you're conquered. Common sense is coming back to Europe though, Poland and Latvia already said they won't take muslims anymore. Eurosceptic anti immigration parties will gain strength across Europe because people are tired of EU failure.

For you, Muslims are rapists, for Trump, Mexicans are. Be careful, for some other extremists, East Europeans like you are no different.

This is fascism by definition.

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Don't put words in my mouth. People from certain countries statistically commit more crimes than european average, it's a fact even if you don't like it. Notice how Saudi Arabia wants to remain arab, Japan wants to remain japanese, China wants to remain chinese and african nations want to remain african. That's perfectly understandable and it does not make them extremists in any way. Why europeans are not allowed to have a country of their own? You think you're progressive and tolerant, but you're just anti-white. Go push for diversity in Saudi Arabia and leave my country alone.

* You seem to have missed history class - Hitler invaded my country and killed us by the millions.
We don't want it to happen again. Thanks and goodbye.

Please do not speak for the whole EU!
Speak for you. And dont tell me how it is in my land (Germany).
I am proud of our freedom, liberty and democracy.
I will not let destroy that by terrorists and also not by right-wing minorities.

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 15, 2015, 22:34
I hope EU stop funding them too, so they'll have another reason to leave this mess.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6668/germany-migrant-crime-wave

...East European Slavic countries will leave this mess called EU - very soon... no future in EU...

And as always: From the execution of innocent people by Islamic terrorists to Godwins and the Colonial past of the West. Why?

Quote from: cobalt on November 15, 2015, 12:34
In Norway Brevik was a lonely crazy young man who used right wing extremists fake reasons to kill students.

Mostly it is lonely young men that can be radicalised and either out of themselves or with a few friends commit horrible things. For me this includes the school shootings etc...

Frustrated, lonely, disconnected from the world around them. Societies with high unemployment and low propspects for a good future have in proportion many more than countries with good quality life. But we still have enough frustrated young men that can be radicalised by extremists radical ideologies or religions.

So how do you reach out to them before they kill?

Most of the attackers in France where known to the French authorities and it was clear they had the potential to kill. But you cannot simply lock them up...just in case...there are too many people and in a democratic country you can't do this.

"His family needed the money, and this was the only opportunity to provide for them."

"Recruitment [of ISIS] plays upon desires of adventure, activism, romance, power, belonging, along with spiritual fulfillment."

"The Americans came," he said. "They took away Saddam, but they also took away our security. I didn't like Saddam, we were starving then, but at least we didn't have war. When you came here, the civil war started."

http://www.thenation.com/article/what-i-discovered-from-interviewing-isis-prisoners/

Quote from: Nikovsk on November 15, 2015, 23:49
There are dozens of links from german news right there in front of your eyes, but you choose not to see.

I'm sure everything is fine in Germany, as long as it's not you or your family being raped.

If you dare, watch this 19min video. WARNING - it was edited for dramatic effect and it's not a pretty video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc&feature=youtu.be

You may not agree with the opinions in it, but you can't deny the self-evident scenes.

Anyway, sooner or later the truth will come out. Back to shooting.

The creator of this video is a hypocrite a-hole, because he infringed on copyright by using music without the composer's permission. Then he apparently tried to avert the takedown notice by muting parts of the audio and putting a link to the video in the description. Now who is the evil one here?

What an astonishingly vulgar and propagandistic film.Who cares about formalities about copyrighted music etc after this hideous display of "journalism"?
This propagandistic film reminded me of a video that had gone viral a few years back about an allegedly evil African warlord (a mythical figure-literally as we learned-) who went by the name of Koni.
Altough these 2 films seemingly have nothing in common they share the same properties.

They are overly dramatized and edited with the sole purpose to provoke raw, thoughtless, emotion like the cheapest media reportage we see everyday that try to promote an agenda.No information is shared,only images,no objectivity, and no political message whatsoever.
Everything is out of context, juxtaposition everywhere.* Hitler would be proud of today's editing.

I consider this the careful work of a nationalist (there is nothing random in the way it's being handled) and the only thing that makes me feel somewhat better after watching it is that nationalism
is thankfully a concept out of place in todays world,although we are being told that it's recurring.

I feel for the people of Paris and all the other people that have been killed or injured in terrorist attacks but I also feel for the people in middle east countries that are killed almost every day.  I used to not like the song "Imagine" but maybe no countries and no religion are the only way to stop these conflicts.  Not so sure about no possessions, I need my camera.

I find it disappointing so many people here don't support doing anything about ISIS. They control land and have a standing Army. They aren't going away unless we make them, and flying over them isn't going to be enough.

How many deaths will it take? A thousand? Ten thousand? It's not going to end unless we stand up to these people and end it. It's going to take a worldwide effort just like World War II. We're going to have to devote our whole nations to the task.

But  I guess that's why my grandfather's generation was the "Greatest Generation" and mine is just a bunch of spoiled whiners and beggars.

Quote from: robhainer on November 17, 2015, 00:32
I find it disappointing so many people here don't support doing anything about ISIS. They control land and have a standing Army.

Who armed them?

Quote from: anathaya on November 17, 2015, 00:37

Quote from: robhainer on November 17, 2015, 00:32
I find it disappointing so many people here don't support doing anything about ISIS. They control land and have a standing Army.

Who armed them?

It doesn't really matter. What matters is stopping them.

And for a fact, the U.S. did not arm them. We armed other rebels opposed to the Syrian regime, and ISIS took their weapons. Then they took land, and recruited a greater force with money from stolen oil.

In the end, they are evil. There's no shade of gray here. If you support doing nothing about them, you are complicit in their evil.

I supposed it's easy for some to stand by while they kidnap young Yazidi girls and sell them as sex slaves while launching attacks on Paris that kill dozens with more to come.

Quote from: anathaya on November 17, 2015, 00:37

Quote from: robhainer on November 17, 2015, 00:32
I find it disappointing so many people here don't support doing anything about ISIS. They control land and have a standing Army.

Who armed them?

Who create them?

Quote from: robhainer on November 17, 2015, 00:47
And for a fact, the U.S. did not arm them. We armed other rebels opposed to the Syrian regime, and ISIS took their weapons.

So, albeit indirectly, the US (and other countries) DID, in fact, arm them.

Quote from: fritz on November 17, 2015, 00:47

Quote from: anathaya on November 17, 2015, 00:37

Quote from: robhainer on November 17, 2015, 00:32
I find it disappointing so many people here don't support doing anything about ISIS. They control land and have a standing Army.

Who armed them?

Who create them?

People like this have always existed. They have just gone by different names like *, Communists, Socialists, etc.

Quote from: ShadySue on November 17, 2015, 00:51

Quote from: robhainer on November 17, 2015, 00:47
And for a fact, the U.S. did not arm them. We armed other rebels opposed to the Syrian regime, and ISIS took their weapons.

So, albeit indirectly, the US (and other countries) DID, in fact, arm them.

So what? It has nothing to do with anything. Should we arrest Obama for arming Syrian rebels and then later have those arms captured by ISIS? Or do we take on the people who are the real problem?

Quote from: robhainer on November 17, 2015, 00:53

Quote from: ShadySue on November 17, 2015, 00:51

Quote from: robhainer on November 17, 2015, 00:47
And for a fact, the U.S. did not arm them. We armed other rebels opposed to the Syrian regime, and ISIS took their weapons.

So, albeit indirectly, the US (and other countries) DID, in fact, arm them.

So what? It has nothing to do with anything. Should we arrest Obama for arming Syrian rebels and then later have those arms captured by ISIS? Or do we take on the people who are the real problem?

For better or worse, I'd be considered far too geriatric to be considered for such an endeavour. I have no personal mandate to send my younger compatriots.

Quote from: robhainer on November 17, 2015, 00:51

Quote from: fritz on November 17, 2015, 00:47

Quote from: anathaya on November 17, 2015, 00:37

Quote from: robhainer on November 17, 2015, 00:32
I find it disappointing so many people here don't support doing anything about ISIS. They control land and have a standing Army.

Who armed them?

Who create them?

People like this have always existed. They have just gone by different names like *, Communists, Socialists, etc.

You are afraid of being a victim of ISIS, but you refuse to understand the truth behind the whole thing. You just want to stop them somehow. It doesn't work in that way. Even you stop them, there will be another group supported by someone for some reason and they will continue what ISIS is doing now. You have to kill the cause, not the result.

Quote from: robhainer on November 17, 2015, 00:51

Quote from: fritz on November 17, 2015, 00:47

Quote from: anathaya on November 17, 2015, 00:37

Quote from: robhainer on November 17, 2015, 00:32
I find it disappointing so many people here don't support doing anything about ISIS. They control land and have a standing Army.

Who armed them?

Who create them?

People like this have always existed. They have just gone by different names like *, Communists, Socialists, etc.

You are seriously equating all Communists and Socialists with so-called IS?
OK, that gives me your intellectual measure.