The eyeem market place is supposed to pay out 50% and I would love to be supportive of this.

But when I heard about the Getty connection I became very discouraged. Getty usually pays 20% for RF and if we share those 20% with eyeem it will be 10%...minus the exchange rate discount getty likes to take if the customer doesn�t pay in dollars, so you might end up with only 8% of what the customer really paid. I am sure some designer will buy files from a photographer he or she knows, so eventually we will get real feedback of how much the artist is really earning. Maybe we get a positive surprise, who knows?

I am also worried that eyeem will not really be marketed as a sales plattform, that instead it will just be another content feeder agency for Getty. Similar to the content they took from flickr.

And if the files are available now at Getty first instead of launching the eyeem marketplace, then I do wonder how much attention and marketing will eyeem get? I would have thought that their sales plattform would be pushed first? With the files already visible on Getty, the content on eyeem will no longer be new or fresh to the overall market. What will their advantage be? 

I understand that you say well, it will all make money somehow. But for me I would really love to see eyeem at work and financially successful (for them and the artists) before their content goes elsewhere.

Also since eyem and getty are so closely connected already, i guess it is fair to assume that they will at some time be bought or merged in some way. Eyeem doesn�t have the independence to really do their own thing or build up connections to Offset or other companies for example.

I do look forward to seeing their marketplace and wish them good luck with sales. Any agency that pays out 50% deserves our attention. But I also hope the majority of sales will come from them.

Then why is their unique content already for sale at another agency and not on their own plattform?

It is a very strange way to start a new business.

They have some good people, I certainly wish them well. But right here, right now I am not convinced of their independence as a market place or as a business.

Oh, PS: As far as I know, if I decide to license my content through EyeEm, I do not have to license them through Getty. And not all images accepted for the EyeEm market are being accepted to Getty as well. So the EyeEm Market will definitely contain more images than the EyeEm collection on Getty Images.

So, just for the record. However, I don't know percentages how many images are being accepted and how many make it to Getty or not.

I don't think Cobalt is speculating if you have any doubts just buy one of your EyeEm-Pictures at Getty (smallest size 15, -�) and you will see with which commission you end up. I would bet it's actually less than 10% (because you will also loose on money exchange from Euro to Dollar than back to Euro).
I did that with all sub-agencies I contributed and are selling via Getty and it was always less than 10% I would be very surprised if EyeEm got a better deal with Getty.

But I don't like speculating about the percentages like you do.

I think we have to speculate.  And ask.  To not know what you are going to receive for your licensing just seems odd to me - like I said in the Spaces thread recently.

Here is another interesting statement straight from their own website (in German again)

6.March 2014

http://dl.eyeem.com/press/releases/Getty_Images_und_EyeEm_werden_Partner.pdf

They announce that eyeem images will be sold in cooperation with Getty through istock and also on the Gettyimages website as a special collection.

"Getty Images und EyeEm starten neue Foto-Kollektion
EyeEm-Fotos k�nnen k�nftig bei Getty Images lizenziert werden"

"Berlin/Seattle, 6. M�rz 2014 � EyeEm, die einzigartige Community und Verkaufsplattform f�r Fotografie wird k�nftig mit Getty Images kooperieren, dem wichtigsten Produzenten und Anbieter von visuellen Inhalten und anderen digitalen Medien der Welt. Gemeinsam wollen beide Partner ausgew�hlte Bilder von EyeEm f�r den Lizenzerwerb auf den Getty Images-Plattformen zug�nglich machen. Die Fotos stehen k�nftig u.a. bei iStock by Getty Images und als ma�geschneiderte Kollektion auf gettyimages.com zur Verf�gung.
"
...

"Dank unserer Partnerschaft mit Getty Images und dank dessen umfangreichen Vertriebsnetzwerks bekommen die Mitglieder unserer Community jetzt eine gro�artige Chance, mit ihrer kreativen Arbeit Geld zu verdienen.�"


So this is indeed going to be another feeder agency for both istock and getty.


ETA: Here is the link for the English version

http://dl.eyeem.com/press/releases/EyeEm_x_Getty_Images_Partnership_Release.pdf

"Getty Images and EyeEm partner on new crowd sourced collection
EyeEm photography to be available for licensing with Getty Images
BERLIN/SEATTLE � March 6, 2014. EyeEm, the world ́s premier community and marketplace for the photographer inside all of us, is partnering with Getty Images, the world's leading creator and distributor of visual content and other digital media, to make EyeEm images available for licensing across Getty Images platforms, including on iStock by Getty Images and a bespoke collection at gettyimages.com."

"And now because of our partnership with Getty Images and their extensive distribution network, members of our community will have a great opportunity to earn revenue from their creative work.�"

There is also a clear explanation of their social media campaign project:

"EyeEm Marketplace. The EyeEm marketplace is for those brands, agencies and small businesses who want to find easily searchable and crowd-sourced mobile stock images of places, people and environments. Since its launch, selected brands such as Lufthansa, Redbull and Vice Magazine have set up highly curated missions to crowd source new images for their (social) marketing campaigns. The community created images were successfully sold through the EyeEm platform with a revenue share for the photographers. While some brands/marketers have already purchased photos captured by the EyeEm community, the full marketplace offering will be launched later this year."

So this is the plattform they want to market.

But for stock sales, you will definetly be opted into getty with a 50% royalty cut of whatever eyeem gets.

But nowhere do they mention that Getty only pays 20%, which means artists in the end get 10% of what the customer pays

I am not sure but you keeping mentioning "20%" like a fact. Do you know if it's a fact? As far as I know Getty is paying partners usually more than the 20% they pay contributing artists directly. And they still pay more for RM, don't they? So I think the 20% is the "worst case" scenario isn't it? I don't know the number.

But frankly, considering my other options, I'm not that much worried if it's 8, 10 or 12% in this case. I just see that Fotolia Instant is selling the highest resolution (!) images for 3 credits each. Should I really supply my images there just because they pay out a higher percentage of the sales price? Is the percentage really the key number you are looking at to judge what a good deal is?

I'm certainly not a big fan of Getty as you know. And it won't become my number 1 place to submit images to. But in comparison to some other options I currently have for images that are not really "mainstream microstock" anyways... it doesn't look that bad after all.

Re the Getty distribution deal: we�ll share what we get from there also 50/50 with the photographers.

... and what you get from there would be .... ?

Re the Getty distribution deal: we�ll share what we get from there also 50/50 with the photographers.

50% of 20% is 10%. Its not work for free yet, but certainly not worthy of any of my images.

@Sean Locke Photography
Re:... and what you get from there would be .... ?
Of course, this I can�t tell for business confidiality reasons.

Why should contributors license through your distribution at Getty if they have no idea what they are going to get?  How does this hide under "confidentiality" reasons?

@Sean Locke: I should have known back from the days at iS, it�s not wise to get in a discussion with you, no offense..     But re Getty, I think it�s rather usual business practice to not publish details about such contracts. Let�s see how it works out. It might not be a sales channel for you, but for others.

@Ron: Transparent about what we do, yes indeed. But re Getty: see above.
After the first sales certainly someone will come up with a new calculation and open a new thread.

But I�m getting back to being creative now..   

@Sean Locke: I should have known back from the days at iS, it�s not wise to get in a discussion with you, no offense..     But re Getty, I think it�s rather usual business practice to not publish details about such contracts.
...
But I�m getting back to being creative now..   

Is that 'creative/economical with the truth'?
When what you should really be saying is, "you'll get 50% of what we get, but we're not telling you what that is. And anyway, some sales at Getty are really low, so manage your expectations."
For the record, I get 20% of Getty sales, and my share has been as low as 40 cents.

The EyeEm Market is now working for the photographer side, and just end of last week I saw the first of my images showing up on the Getty Images site as part of the EyeEm collection.

I was asked to write down my experiences with the EyeEm market and how things work over there. In case you are interested, here is the article now: http://www.mystockphoto.org/eyeem-market-contributor-guide/

Hello Michael, I know this is an old post, but since it is now several months since you posted this, wondering how you are finding the EyeEm market on Getty? I have some photos sitting in limbo which have been selected for the Getty collection, but which I have not approved yet. I was waiting for EyeEm to launch their own market, but this keeps getting delayed. Any updated thoughts?

Quote from: EyeEm on May 14, 2014, 11:23

@Sean Locke: I should have known back from the days at iS, it�s not wise to get in a discussion with you, no offense..     But re Getty, I think it�s rather usual business practice to not publish details about such contracts.
...
But I�m getting back to being creative now..   

Is that 'creative/economical with the truth'?
When what you should really be saying is, "you'll get 50% of what we get, but we're not telling you what that is. And anyway, some sales at Getty are really low, so manage your expectations."
For the record, I get 20% of Getty sales, and my share has been as low as 40 cents.

Mine as low as 6 cents

Michael, I looked at that link to your pasta photo, then tried to click onwards to the rest of your port via the MichaelZwahlen/EyeEm link, but got
"Server Error in '/' Application.
The resource cannot be found.
Description: HTTP 404. The resource you are looking for (or one of its dependencies) could have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.  Please review the following URL and make sure that it is spelled correctly.
Requested URL: /photographers/Michael Zwahlen / EyeEm/search"

Yes... sooooo...?

I can't change my username nor do I do the programming for the Getty website as you most likely know. No point in telling me that things don't work as they should. 

People who are involved: any sales?

I received 11 dollars in the first month, 52 in the second,5 dollars in the third. From around 100 images over on getty in the eyeem collection there. around 80% got chosen for getty, but all files will be available in their own marketplace.

But the eyeem marketplace hasn�t opened yet, so I have no idea what to expect, i don�t even know what price points they will have.

So at the moment I am sending content which the normal agencies wouldn�t take - files with very strong smartphone filters, files that have less than 3 mp etc...

My selection is not very systematic, it is a fun side project at this time.

I don�t think any of the files I send have a chance of becoming bestsellers or will turn into high volume sales. If I thought they did I would send them elsewhere.

The app is extremely easy and fun to use, so if they do get their marketplace going I can see quite a bit of my work going to eyeem because the upload is easy. But they still have to prove they can sell from their own site and it will take most of the year to understand where eyeem is going and how much time and attention they should get.

Also at the moment they have a smaller group of photographers. Once their marketplace opens, i expect them to turn on the flood, but we will see, maybe they have a plan for that.

But they take all my overfiltered stuff that nobody else likes, which makes me happy.

All are filternd with strong Smartphone filters and would have been rejected on istock under istocks old standards.

but this doesn't mean that normal photos don't sell, I simply don't have many normal images in what I send there.

So perhaps normal images would sell better on Getty, who knows?

It is much too early to draw any conclusions IMO. And Getty is not the interesting place for me, it is their own marketplace, which hasn't opened yet, that interests me.

If you are looking for good sales from Getty, then I would of course shoot more images with Models in a modern environemnt, maybe with the common outdoor against the sun, or faded 70's look...

You can try to just upload normal stock and see if they take it and if it sells. i am stickig to "Stuff I can't sell elsewhere" until the eyeem marketplace opens.

Perhaps try to follow their "Missions" that might be specific content Getty is looking for.

no, the files that are on getty will also be available on eyeem. the files are exclusive to eyeem who then sends some of them to getty.

the only real difference is that the files that move to getty can only be removed after 6 months, while the files that are only on eyeem can be removed anytime. I have done that a few times, because I changed my mind a few times and decided the file was "too normal" and I sent it elsewhere.

I don�t know the percentage that I am getting on getty, but the lowest I have had is 5 dollars, which is unusual. From my time on getty I remember there were lots of much smaller returns. So maybe they have a deal where you get more when it is a low value sale, or there is some kind of lower limit and less if it is higher? again, I have no idea, in total I have had 6 sales, you really can�t make any assumptions from that. The highest was 42 dollars, which isn�t bad. The average now is around 11 dollars. That is more than my average as an istock exclusive for normal main collection content. And again...only 6 sales...really not enough data for any kind of projection...

But for me whatever comes from getty should just be the add on, not the main income. I sincerly hope that their own marketplace will be the main focus and the majority of their money.

However, since the images I am sending now couldn�t be sold elswehere, even if I only got 10% from getty it would still be more than not selling them at all. And if the lowest return is really 5 dollars, that is much better than a sub sale. Again, maybe there are lower sales for some people and I simply haven�t had them yet.

So it is all total speculation. Until their own marketplace gets going, we are working in a cloud of mystery.

I�ll stick to the "fun images that can�t go elsewhere" and enjoy the journey. But I am not planning my financial stock life on them.

It is fun, it adds some money. no stress.

eta: this is the image I got 42 dollars for. I doubt it would have been accepted anywhere else and I don�t believe it is killer bestseller. I got lucky once and maybe this is the only sale this image will ever see.

https://www.eyeem.com/p/43060982

eta2: most of the images I have on eyeem are not in their marketplace. I am enjoying the app and just send whatever I like for fun and the community. Some of these images are available elsewhere as stock. So I am using eyeem as a mix of fun,showcase and to test the reactions to different smartphone filters on a series.  For me that has been the most valuable info, because I can use that for my regular stock work.

no, the files that are on getty will also be available on eyeem. the files are exclusive to eyeem who then sends some of them to getty.

the only real difference is that the files that move to getty can only be removed after 6 months, while the files that are only on eyeem can be removed anytime. I have done that a few times, because I changed my mind a few times and decided the file was "too normal" and I sent it elsewhere.

I don�t know the percentage that I am getting on getty, but the lowest I have had is 5 dollars, which is unusual. From my time on getty I remember there were lots of much smaller returns. So maybe they have a deal where you get more when it is a low value sale, or there is some kind of lower limit and less if it is higher? again, I have no idea, in total I have had 6 sales, you really can�t make any assumptions from that. The highest was 42 dollars, which isn�t bad. The average now is around 11 dollars. That is more than my average as an istock exclusive for normal main collection content. And again...only 6 sales...really not enough data for any kind of projection...

But for me whatever comes from getty should just be the add on, not the main income. I sincerly hope that their own marketplace will be the main focus and the majority of their money.

However, since the images I am sending now couldn�t be sold elswehere, even if I only got 10% from getty it would still be more than not selling them at all. And if the lowest return is really 5 dollars, that is much better than a sub sale. Again, maybe there are lower sales for some people and I simply haven�t had them yet.

So it is all total speculation. Until their own marketplace gets going, we are working in a cloud of mystery.

I�ll stick to the "fun images that can�t go elsewhere" and enjoy the journey. But I am not planning my financial stock life on them.

It is fun, it adds some money. no stress.

eta: this is the image I got 42 dollars for. I doubt it would have been accepted anywhere else and I don�t believe it is killer bestseller. I got lucky once and maybe this is the only sale this image will ever see.

https://www.eyeem.com/p/43060982

eta2: most of the images I have on eyeem are not in their marketplace. I am enjoying the app and just send whatever I like for fun and the community. Some of these images are available elsewhere as stock. So I am using eyeem as a mix of fun,showcase and to test the reactions to different smartphone filters on a series.  For me that has been the most valuable info, because I can use that for my regular stock work.

Oh, I think you�re returns are great! I was just trying to get some information, so thanks for that.

Maybe I�m a bit dim, but how do you tag your images? You can type some text but that�s not searchable, is it? So only those "groups" are searchable keywords?

Quote from: cobalt on February 08, 2015, 03:54

no, the files that are on getty will also be available on eyeem. the files are exclusive to eyeem who then sends some of them to getty.

Are you sure? It was my understanding that the images are *not* exclusive in any way unless you have them sent to Getty.

Yes, that's how I read it: When you upload images to the EyeEm Market, they are not exclusive. If they get selected for the Getty collection and you accept, only then you accept them to be exclusive with EyeEm & Getty.

Quote from: MarcvsTvllivs on February 08, 2015, 05:29

Quote from: cobalt on February 08, 2015, 03:54

no, the files that are on getty will also be available on eyeem. the files are exclusive to eyeem who then sends some of them to getty.

Are you sure? It was my understanding that the images are *not* exclusive in any way unless you have them sent to Getty.

Yes, that's how I read it: When you upload images to the EyeEm Market, they are not exclusive. If they get selected for the Getty collection and you accept, only then you accept them to be exclusive with EyeEm & Getty.

Really??

You see, you learn something new every day. But it still means I have to send them content that is new and isn�t available elsewhere. because if it gets selected it is exclusive. But this would mean that the files they don�t select for getty could go to other smartphone collections, like fotolia or shutterstock. Or maybe I process a second batch without smartphone filters to make them sellable elsewhere.

But how will they encourage people to prefer the eyeem marketplace over gettyimages?

I would have thought that having more exclusive content of smartphone style images was the attraction.

Anyway, it is an interesting place and I wish them well. And yes, for the first 3 months and 100 files the returns are good. But I sincerly hope that making money from their own marketplace is what they are really going for and that it will be much more money then what they can get via getty.

Quote from: MichaelJayFoto on February 08, 2015, 06:30

Quote from: MarcvsTvllivs on February 08, 2015, 05:29

Quote from: cobalt on February 08, 2015, 03:54

no, the files that are on getty will also be available on eyeem. the files are exclusive to eyeem who then sends some of them to getty.

Are you sure? It was my understanding that the images are *not* exclusive in any way unless you have them sent to Getty.

Yes, that's how I read it: When you upload images to the EyeEm Market, they are not exclusive. If they get selected for the Getty collection and you accept, only then you accept them to be exclusive with EyeEm & Getty.

You see, you learn something new every day. But it still means I have to send them content that is new and isn�t available elsewhere. because if it gets selected it is exclusive. But this would mean that the files they don�t select for getty could go to other smartphone collections, like fotolia or shutterstock. Or maybe I process a second batch without smartphone filters to make them sellable elsewhere.

I upload firstly to Eyeem and after the Getty selection and my personal selection for Getty(I try to be a small quantity) I go to the second step and upload to Fotolia and the others.

I became interested on the smart phone collection in Shutterstock. How it works?
I've tried to upload several times mobile images to Shutterstock and all rejected due the technical problems(I use iPhone 6+) After that I ask them why and the response was to not use the Shutterstock mobile application for to upload mobile images, but to upload images "taken by a professional camera". I do not know to smile or to cry, I did not expect this kind of response from Shutterstock when they have upload option for images in their mobile app. Am I missing something?

Maybe ask in their forums. But a smartphone Upload App that doesn't like images taken with smartphones is weird.

To me too. I hope this will have evaluation soon, it is not normal Shutterstock to lag behind in terms of mobile photography.

Yes, on the EyeEm/Getty collection. But not on their own Market yet.

"I am also worried that eyeem will not really be marketed as a sales plattform, that instead it will just be another content feeder agency for Getty. Similar to the content they took from flickr."

Agreed. I have over 800 images on EyeEm Market, now, with 227 of them approved for the EyeEm Collection at Getty Images, yet, when I visit the Getty Images website and search for the EyeEm Collection there, nothing turns up at all and there is no mention of EyeEm or the EyeEm Collection on Getty's site at all. Thus, I am wondering if this is a one-sided arrangement in which EyeEm Market is gaining some status from their claim to a Getty connection, while Getty is pretending EyeEm doesn't exist. It's either that or, as you say, EyeEm is just being used as a "feeder" site for Getty's purposes. Considering the overall quality of the images at EyeEm and the fact that most EyeEm members treat the site as a social networking venue, I'd say that must be the case.

Gary

Yep. Since posting, I found a link that I believe Cobalt posted to the EyeEm Collection. However, in searching the collection (All Images/USA/Seattle) I found absolutely none of my own. So, I guess what EyeEm's reviewers mean, when they email me to tell me my work has been "shortlisted for inclusion in the EyeEm Collection at Getty Images" is that my images are being considered for inclusion, but have not actually been included, yet.

Gary

I also tried to cut to the chase by searching for myself by name, under Photographers, but no luck, there. Of course, if I'm right that my images haven't yet been included in the collection, then that explains that, right?

Gary

I just entered EyeEm but I was so stupid to click a button so I receive every mail concerning other images who have the same tags. I don't want to receive a hundred emails about images in the same tags. What do I do to avoid this? And how long does it take to know if the images are accepted at the EyeEm site? I have uploaded about 15 images.
Hope to hear something.
Thnx
Patricia

Thanks, Sean.