Author Topic: EyeEm Market is working, first images showing at Getty now (Read 31860 times)

MichaelJayFoto · « **on:** May 13, 2014, 05:47 »

The EyeEm Market is now working for the photographer side, and just end of last week I saw the first of my images showing up on the Getty Images site as part of the EyeEm collection.

I was asked to write down my experiences with the EyeEm market and how things work over there. In case you are interested, here is the article now: http://www.mystockphoto.org/eyeem-market-contributor-guide/

cobalt · « **Reply #1 on:** May 13, 2014, 06:31 »

The eyeem market place is supposed to pay out 50% and I would love to be supportive of this.

But when I heard about the Getty connection I became very discouraged. Getty usually pays 20% for RF and if we share those 20% with eyeem it will be 10%...minus the exchange rate discount getty likes to take if the customer doesn´t pay in dollars, so you might end up with only 8% of what the customer really paid. I am sure some designer will buy files from a photographer he or she knows, so eventually we will get real feedback of how much the artist is really earning. Maybe we get a positive surprise, who knows?

I am also worried that eyeem will not really be marketed as a sales plattform, that instead it will just be another content feeder agency for Getty. Similar to the content they took from flickr.

And if the files are available now at Getty first instead of launching the eyeem marketplace, then I do wonder how much attention and marketing will eyeem get? I would have thought that their sales plattform would be pushed first? With the files already visible on Getty, the content on eyeem will no longer be new or fresh to the overall market. What will their advantage be?

I understand that you say well, it will all make money somehow. But for me I would really love to see eyeem at work and financially successful (for them and the artists) before their content goes elsewhere.

Also since eyem and getty are so closely connected already, i guess it is fair to assume that they will at some time be bought or merged in some way. Eyeem doesn´t have the independence to really do their own thing or build up connections to Offset or other companies for example.

I do look forward to seeing their marketplace and wish them good luck with sales. Any agency that pays out 50% deserves our attention. But I also hope the majority of sales will come from them.

Amos Struck · « **Reply #2 on:** May 13, 2014, 06:37 »

@Cobalt: As far as i heard from EyeEm they do not plan to be another "feeder" for Getty - they will heavily market their "Market" as they told me. It also makes more sense to me.

cobalt · « **Reply #3 on:** May 13, 2014, 06:44 »

Then why is their unique content already for sale at another agency and not on their own plattform?

It is a very strange way to start a new business.

They have some good people, I certainly wish them well. But right here, right now I am not convinced of their independence as a market place or as a business.

MichaelJayFoto · « **Reply #4 on:** May 13, 2014, 07:08 »

I don't know the future either, Jasmin. But I don't like speculating about the percentages like you do. Nor speculating about potential acquisitions (which I don't even see as very likely).

I think EyeEm is not a stock agency and you can't compare it to stock agencies. It's a photo community and sharing app and service. With a market for image licenses being added soon. I think the cooperation with Getty makes sense to a certain degree, bringing in sales quicker than they could do it themselves.

On the other hand, EyeEm will be able to attract potential customers (and photographers) who never heard about the possibility to license images before.

I don't know how it is going to work out. And I won't start focusing my time only on this venture. But I think the potential is interesting enough for me to be part of it.

MichaelJayFoto · « **Reply #5 on:** May 13, 2014, 07:14 »

Oh, PS: As far as I know, if I decide to license my content through EyeEm, I do not have to license them through Getty. And not all images accepted for the EyeEm market are being accepted to Getty as well. So the EyeEm Market will definitely contain more images than the EyeEm collection on Getty Images.

So, just for the record. However, I don't know percentages how many images are being accepted and how many make it to Getty or not.

cobalt · « **Reply #6 on:** May 13, 2014, 07:21 »

Quote from: MichaelJayFoto on May 13, 2014, 07:14

Oh, PS: As far as I know, if I decide to license my content through EyeEm, I do not have to license them through Getty. And not all images accepted for the EyeEm market are being accepted to Getty as well. So the EyeEm Market will definitely contain more images than the EyeEm collection on Getty Images.

For me this would make eyeem more interesting, if I could opt out of partner and distribution deals for instance. Like I said, any market place opening their doors with a 50% promise has my attention. Just on reading more about it I became really very disappointed.

I do like speculating not about percentage but about what kind of earnings might be possible and if a business model looks promising. So i opted out of dpc because it didn´t make any business sense to me.

But I also agree that sometimes things just need to be tried. I just don´t know if this is one of them. They are marketing that they share 50% with artists, but how will artists feel if they actually received much less than the customer paid for from their partner agency?

We will see what happens and like you say, it does not have to be anyones primary focus. But I would love to see a new 50% agency and community succeed. So I hope they will make 99% of their sales from their own plattform.

stocked · « **Reply #7 on:** May 13, 2014, 08:06 »

I don't think Cobalt is speculating if you have any doubts just buy one of your EyeEm-Pictures at Getty (smallest size 15, -€) and you will see with which commission you end up. I would bet it's actually less than 10% (because you will also loose on money exchange from Euro to Dollar than back to Euro).
I did that with all sub-agencies I contributed and are selling via Getty and it was always less than 10% I would be very surprised if EyeEm got a better deal with Getty.

stocked · « **Reply #8 on:** May 13, 2014, 08:32 »

Nothing against Eyeem though I wish them success with their own market-place, I just think these Partner-deals sucks in general and their only purpose is to bring the already low commission even further down. (in the case of Deposhit/Shotshop-deal to even a new low of 1%)

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #9 on:** May 13, 2014, 09:14 »

Quote from: MichaelJayFoto on May 13, 2014, 07:08

But I don't like speculating about the percentages like you do.

I think we have to speculate. And ask. To not know what you are going to receive for your licensing just seems odd to me - like I said in the Spaces thread recently.

cobalt · « **Reply #10 on:** May 13, 2014, 11:30 »

I´ve looked at several articles in German about eyeem. All articles say that the stock part of selling images to professional image buyers will be done via their cooperation with Gettyimages. But nowhere do they mention that Getty only pays 20%, which means artists in the end get 10% of what the customer pays while the agencies together pocket 90%. You just keep reading that "eyeem will share 50 % of their income" without explaining what this means.

Once the artists start doing test buys to check on their percentage, what will happen? Or is anyone believing the the artists will be happy with a 10% revenue?

http://www.chip.de/news/EyeEm-Foto-Plattform-macht-Instagram-Konkurrenz_69708057.html

"Anders bei der Kooperation mit Getty Images: Mit dem Sidekick "EyeEm Market" will das Unternehmen professionellen Bildkäufern Material von Fotografen aus aller Welt bereitstellen. Diese entscheiden selbst, welche ihrer Bilder angeboten werden und sollen mit 50 Prozent an den Einnahmen beteiligt werden. "

http://www.connect.de/news/eyeem-foto-app-plattform-konkurrenz-instagram-2319891.html

http://www.swp.de/ulm/nachrichten/wirtschaft/Mit-Handy-Fotos-Geld-verdienen;art4325,2600917

http://webmagazin.de/social/EyeEm-startet-Angriff-auf-Instagram-Flickr-Co-173409

http://www.pcgames.de/Internet-Thema-34041/GNews/EyeEm-Berliner-Startup-tueftelt-an-Instagram-Konkurrenten-1120789/

etc..

The information is always the same. The sales will be done via the cooperation with Getty. And the artists can decide wether to offer files via this sales path, but this does not mean they can opt out of Getty. Gettyimages is the eyeem marketplace. This is very clear in all articles. And also explains why the images are now visible there and not on a marketplace on eyeem. I am not seeing anything in there that says eyeem is ever planning to sell stock directly without Getty.

That is why I think the "50% of all earnings" for the eyeem stock marketplace statement is misleading. I am sure people reading will misinterpret this as meaning they are going to get 50% of what the customer paid.

The articles also mention that eyeem is testing a service for large companies who need specific images for their advertising. They have done projects with Nike,Lufthansa etc...and chosen images for their advertising campaign. So far the artists have not been paid for this but in the future they will be. Sounds to me like a sort of image brief for smartphone images. Maybe this is where they will share a fair revenue of 50% directly with their artists.

In the end it is their start up and their own community. But if people discover the 10% royalty from getty and there is a community backlash, please don´t complain. It is not possible to hide the real royalty rate, maybe it would be better to give clear examples of what people will earn from the start to avoid misunderstandings at a later stage.

And if it is not the artists that will discover the 10%, they can rely on their competition to do it for them...so I believe transparency and honest earnings examples are better.

cobalt · « **Reply #11 on:** May 13, 2014, 17:53 »

Here is another interesting statement straight from their own website (in German again)

6.March 2014

http://dl.eyeem.com/press/releases/Getty_Images_und_EyeEm_werden_Partner.pdf

They announce that eyeem images will be sold in cooperation with Getty through istock and also on the Gettyimages website as a special collection.

"Getty Images und EyeEm starten neue Foto-Kollektion
EyeEm-Fotos können künftig bei Getty Images lizenziert werden"

"Berlin/Seattle, 6. März 2014 – EyeEm, die einzigartige Community und Verkaufsplattform für Fotografie wird künftig mit Getty Images kooperieren, dem wichtigsten Produzenten und Anbieter von visuellen Inhalten und anderen digitalen Medien der Welt. Gemeinsam wollen beide Partner ausgewählte Bilder von EyeEm für den Lizenzerwerb auf den Getty Images-Plattformen zugänglich machen. Die Fotos stehen künftig u.a. bei iStock by Getty Images und als maßgeschneiderte Kollektion auf gettyimages.com zur Verfügung.
"
...

"Dank unserer Partnerschaft mit Getty Images und dank dessen umfangreichen Vertriebsnetzwerks bekommen die Mitglieder unserer Community jetzt eine großartige Chance, mit ihrer kreativen Arbeit Geld zu verdienen.“"

So this is indeed going to be another feeder agency for both istock and getty.

ETA: Here is the link for the English version

http://dl.eyeem.com/press/releases/EyeEm_x_Getty_Images_Partnership_Release.pdf

"Getty Images and EyeEm partner on new crowd sourced collection
EyeEm photography to be available for licensing with Getty Images
BERLIN/SEATTLE – March 6, 2014. EyeEm, the world ́s premier community and marketplace for the photographer inside all of us, is partnering with Getty Images, the world's leading creator and distributor of visual content and other digital media, to make EyeEm images available for licensing across Getty Images platforms, including on iStock by Getty Images and a bespoke collection at gettyimages.com."

"And now because of our partnership with Getty Images and their extensive distribution network, members of our community will have a great opportunity to earn revenue from their creative work.”"

There is also a clear explanation of their social media campaign project:

"EyeEm Marketplace. The EyeEm marketplace is for those brands, agencies and small businesses who want to find easily searchable and crowd-sourced mobile stock images of places, people and environments. Since its launch, selected brands such as Lufthansa, Redbull and Vice Magazine have set up highly curated missions to crowd source new images for their (social) marketing campaigns. The community created images were successfully sold through the EyeEm platform with a revenue share for the photographers. While some brands/marketers have already purchased photos captured by the EyeEm community, the full marketplace offering will be launched later this year."

So this is the plattform they want to market.

But for stock sales, you will definetly be opted into getty with a 50% royalty cut of whatever eyeem gets.

KerinF · « **Reply #12 on:** May 13, 2014, 20:23 »

I just logged into EyeEm to see if there are any updates on their own marketplace. It still says: "EyeEm Market will launch by summer 2014. During BETA, you have the opportunity to prepare your images for sale to maximize your earning potential when it goes live." Nothing that I could see on EyeEm's own site announcing that the Getty collection has already gone live.

Apart from all the other reasons already given, I wouldn't anyway be approving them because EyeEm/Getty (oh, and their affiliates) want minimum 6 months exclusivity. I already have the same images up for sale at other agencies, so not going to happen.

I have a small number of iPhone images that I have put forward for the Market. Most, but not all, of those have been "shortlisted" for the Getty collection. So far as I can see, nothing happens to those "shortlisted" images unless and until I press the "approve" button for inclusion in the Getty collection. (There is no "disapprove" button). But what I can't work out is, if I don't approve these images for sale on Getty, will the same images still being on the EyeEm Market when and if it launches. The tab of reviewed images says: "Images below are ready for sale on EyeEm Market.", however, only the ones not selected for Getty have a "tick" and say "available". The rest have a little "Getty" icon in the corner but since I won't be approving these, its not clear what happens to them. Do they just sit in limbo perhaps?

I also can't work out how they will be found through searching. At present, on EyeEm, you are limited to putting 4 tags. A lot of these having nothing to do with keywords people might use commercially.

I quite like EyeEm as an occasional photo-sharing site, but I mainly post up images that are not at all "stocky". I might just leave the small selection marked out for the Market there and see what happens when (or if) EyeEm's own Market goes live.

MichaelJayFoto · « **Reply #13 on:** May 14, 2014, 04:28 »

Quote from: cobalt on May 13, 2014, 11:30

But nowhere do they mention that Getty only pays 20%, which means artists in the end get 10% of what the customer pays

I am not sure but you keeping mentioning "20%" like a fact. Do you know if it's a fact? As far as I know Getty is paying partners usually more than the 20% they pay contributing artists directly. And they still pay more for RM, don't they? So I think the 20% is the "worst case" scenario isn't it? I don't know the number.

But frankly, considering my other options, I'm not that much worried if it's 8, 10 or 12% in this case. I just see that Fotolia Instant is selling the highest resolution (!) images for 3 credits each. Should I really supply my images there just because they pay out a higher percentage of the sales price? Is the percentage really the key number you are looking at to judge what a good deal is?

I'm certainly not a big fan of Getty as you know. And it won't become my number 1 place to submit images to. But in comparison to some other options I currently have for images that are not really "mainstream microstock" anyways... it doesn't look that bad after all.

EyeEm · « **Reply #14 on:** May 14, 2014, 05:46 »

Full disclaimer (as you might assume from the user name): I´ll add some official EyeEm opinion here. First of all, thanks everyone for taking an unprejudiced and rather kind approach regarding our concept, it´s a really exciting project for all of us.

MichaelJay wrote a great blog post at newbielink:http://www.mystockphoto.org/eyeem-market-contributor-guide/ [nonactive] which explains our whole model pretty good.

@cobalt: Our own EyeEm market will be launched later this year. The Getty deal was just a precursor and prove of our concept. It gives our photographers a nice global outreach and another channel (for some of them the first ever) to sell their images. At the EyeEm market we´ll split revenues 50/50. Re the Getty distribution deal: we´ll share what we get from there also 50/50 with the photographers.

Everything is opt-in. So you can opt-in to license images of yours at the EyeEm market. None, just one, some, or all: your choice. And if some of these opted-in images are shortlisted for the Getty collection you´ll be contacted and, again, you decide if you want to license them on the Getty site or not.

@KerinF: the 6 months exclusivity is only valid for images at Getty.
Re: search - we´re working hard to come up with a completely new search concept soon, keywords/tags are just a fraction of the overall data.
And: uploading "images that are not at all "stocky" as you write - that´s exactly the point

EyeEm means "real photography".
I will update you what happens to the images you won´t approve for Getty distribution, I assume they keep being available at the EyeEm market.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #15 on:** May 14, 2014, 06:11 »

Quote from: EyeEm on May 14, 2014, 05:46

Re the Getty distribution deal: we´ll share what we get from there also 50/50 with the photographers.

... and what you get from there would be .... ?

cobalt · « **Reply #16 on:** May 14, 2014, 08:41 »

Hi eyeem,

thank you for getting in here. It is exciting to see a start up from Germany in the stock world.

I am glad to hear that you will also offer an additional market place where you sell direct and the artist will get a true 50% of what the customer spent.

But like I have pointed out before you are advertising that you share 50% with the artist and will have to then face up to the disappointment that this will mean only 10% royalty from sales via the getty connection. The agencies keep 90%. Unless of course you were able to negotiate a much higher rate than the usual 20% Getty pays out...but since you are a start up....

I mean Getty cancelled the flickr deal and is now sourcing "real life" images from you. From Flickr the artists were paid 15-20%. I´d say there is a high probability the deal Getty has with you is even cheaper for Getty...

And in addition to that your artists will painfully discover that the high prices on the Getty website are just list prices. Getty has a lot of customers who get huge discounts, over 90% of the list price. So your artists will not just discover the 10% royalty they are getting, they will also learn about 5 dollar sales for images that are listed for several hundred dollars...and their 50 cent returns...

And then some artists might realise that if it is stock worthy content,i.e. without logos and with releases, they could have offered it elsewhere for more money...but they probably cannot move the content because once it is opted in the content is exclusive for a given time frame,no? Or can your artists offer the same content at Eyeem and at Fotolia?

I am just trying to point out potential pitfalls, or more clearly the looming internet shitstorms you are probably heading towards if artists feel they were disinformed (or not informed)

I am sure you are following what has been going on in the industry. Getty Google deal, shotshop/deposit deal and currently the dpc drama that fotolia is going through. These issues can blow up very fast very quickly, DPC apparently lost 25% of their content, over 6 million files, in a very short time.

Since you have already signed everything, you will now have to find a way to handle it when it happens.

I genuinly wish you all the best and hope I get to see you sometime at an industry event.

And most of all I hope you make 99% of your sales from your own marketplace.

Viel Erfolg!

Ron · « **Reply #17 on:** May 14, 2014, 09:41 »

Quote

Re the Getty distribution deal: we´ll share what we get from there also 50/50 with the photographers.

50% of 20% is 10%. Its not work for free yet, but certainly not worthy of any of my images.

EyeEm · « **Reply #18 on:** May 14, 2014, 10:25 »

Quote from: MichaelJayFoto on May 13, 2014, 07:14

Oh, PS: As far as I know, if I decide to license my content through EyeEm, I do not have to license them through Getty. And not all images accepted for the EyeEm market are being accepted to Getty as well. So the EyeEm Market will definitely contain more images than the EyeEm collection on Getty Images.

Exactly.

@Sean Locke Photography
Re:... and what you get from there would be .... ?
Of course, this I can´t tell for business confidiality reasons.

@cobalt: thx for recommendations about pitfalls and all the good wishes. It is of course quite an undertaking to launch such a project. And we try to educate our community the best we can via our blog, faqs etc. So we´re totally transparent there, and as said this 6 months exclusivity is only valid when an image was opted-in and selected for the collection at GI. I can´t tell you about the rev share there, though. And btw, we already met at an industry event, back when I was with iS...

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #19 on:** May 14, 2014, 10:30 »

Quote from: EyeEm on May 14, 2014, 10:25

@Sean Locke Photography
Re:... and what you get from there would be .... ?
Of course, this I can´t tell for business confidiality reasons.

Why should contributors license through your distribution at Getty if they have no idea what they are going to get? How does this hide under "confidentiality" reasons?

Ron · « **Reply #20 on:** May 14, 2014, 10:57 »

Quote from: EyeEm on May 14, 2014, 10:25

....this I can´t tell for business confidiality reasons...

...we´re totally transparent ...

EyeEm · « **Reply #21 on:** May 14, 2014, 11:23 »

@Sean Locke: I should have known back from the days at iS, it´s not wise to get in a discussion with you, no offense..

But re Getty, I think it´s rather usual business practice to not publish details about such contracts. Let´s see how it works out. It might not be a sales channel for you, but for others.

@Ron: Transparent about what we do, yes indeed. But re Getty: see above.
After the first sales certainly someone will come up with a new calculation and open a new thread.

But I´m getting back to being creative now..

Ron · « **Reply #22 on:** May 14, 2014, 11:31 »

Who wants 10% for their work? Who in their right mind would accept that someone else is getting 90%?

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #23 on:** May 14, 2014, 12:07 »

Quote from: EyeEm on May 14, 2014, 11:23

@Sean Locke: I should have known back from the days at iS, it´s not wise to get in a discussion with you, no offense.. But re Getty, I think it´s rather usual business practice to not publish details about such contracts. Let´s see how it works out. It might not be a sales channel for you, but for others.

How can I know if it's a sales channel for me without knowing how I am being compensated?

cobalt · « **Reply #24 on:** May 14, 2014, 13:40 »

Quote from: EyeEm on May 14, 2014, 10:25

And btw, we already met at an industry event, back when I was with iS...

Ok, so maybe when you attach a name to your alias I will know more

Like I said, best of luck. I am just trying to point out what I have seen can happen again and again if artist expectations are not properly managed. With good and clear upfront information, disasters are easy to avoid.

ShadySue · « **Reply #25 on:** May 14, 2014, 19:13 »

Quote from: EyeEm on May 14, 2014, 11:23

@Sean Locke: I should have known back from the days at iS, it´s not wise to get in a discussion with you, no offense.. But re Getty, I think it´s rather usual business practice to not publish details about such contracts.
...
But I´m getting back to being creative now..

Is that 'creative/economical with the truth'?
When what you should really be saying is, "you'll get 50% of what we get, but we're not telling you what that is. And anyway, some sales at Getty are really low, so manage your expectations."
For the record, I get 20% of Getty sales, and my share has been as low as 40 cents.

cobalt · « **Reply #26 on:** May 14, 2014, 19:52 »

Well, Michael already has files on getty. maybe when a designer he knows buys one of his files, he can share with us what percentage he got.

I am sure many people would like to know what they can realistically expect.

I also didn't here from eyem that they think artists will be getting more than 10%. I mean if they had managed to negotiate a brilliant 40% deal for RF content (which would translate to 20% for their own artists ) wouldn't they at least want to give an indication that earnings through them will be an excellent deal?

Or at least higher than uploading the images to istock as normal indie content and get 15% plus income from any other site that takes them? They are not working in a vacuum if they want to attract good artists, they will have to explain how they want to bring in the money to attract the interesting people.

I like the 6 months exclusivity. At least files won't be tied in forever. I'd say that is a real improvement.

Fotolia might be offering files for 3 credits, but the files are not exclusive, so you can go and earn money wherever else you want with them. Is it a better offer? I have no idea. But since the images are not exclusive you can get income from several channels for your files.

And if the volume is higher I wouldn't be surprised if returns are similar to 10% from a normal getty sale. Obviously I am not thinking of the list prices but the real average sales.

But now I am curious about their own marketplace. The prices they choose, the strategies they will follow. And the most important: do they know how to sell?

stocksy set a great example how a newcomer can find their place and grow rapidly in an overcrowded stock market.

What kind of experiences will the eyeem artists have? Will shooting smartphone stock become a part time or maybe even full time source of income? Is the assignement work from Red Bull, lufthansa etc...that they offer lucrative? Better than Imagebrief? Or can you realistically build a shoot around it? What are the chances of getting selected...usw...

So following eyeem as a German agency will be really interesting.

KerinF · « **Reply #27 on:** October 01, 2014, 18:13 »

Quote from: MichaelJayFoto on May 13, 2014, 05:47

The EyeEm Market is now working for the photographer side, and just end of last week I saw the first of my images showing up on the Getty Images site as part of the EyeEm collection.

I was asked to write down my experiences with the EyeEm market and how things work over there. In case you are interested, here is the article now: http://www.mystockphoto.org/eyeem-market-contributor-guide/

Hello Michael, I know this is an old post, but since it is now several months since you posted this, wondering how you are finding the EyeEm market on Getty? I have some photos sitting in limbo which have been selected for the Getty collection, but which I have not approved yet. I was waiting for EyeEm to launch their own market, but this keeps getting delayed. Any updated thoughts?

MichaelJayFoto · « **Reply #28 on:** October 03, 2014, 09:25 »

Quote from: KerinF on October 01, 2014, 18:13

Quote from: MichaelJayFoto on May 13, 2014, 05:47
The EyeEm Market is now working for the photographer side, and just end of last week I saw the first of my images showing up on the Getty Images site as part of the EyeEm collection.

I was asked to write down my experiences with the EyeEm market and how things work over there. In case you are interested, here is the article now: http://www.mystockphoto.org/eyeem-market-contributor-guide/

Hello Michael, I know this is an old post, but since it is now several months since you posted this, wondering how you are finding the EyeEm market on Getty? I have some photos sitting in limbo which have been selected for the Getty collection, but which I have not approved yet. I was waiting for EyeEm to launch their own market, but this keeps getting delayed. Any updated thoughts?

Hey there, someone pointed me to this thread. Unfortunately I'm not on MSG regularly these days, so if you have questions to me personally, my blog (and all the social media channels attached to it) is the best way to get in touch.

However, since I found it now: I can't tell you a lot more as I don't know any details of the progress yet. It's all a startup thing, so I'm pretty patient. I have some 120 images approved for the market, 110 of them supposed to go to Getty and 80 made it there.

From the images I have at Getty, I can see they are priced within the usual price range, no discount because it was shot with a mobile. Check one out here as an example: http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/photo/directly-above-shot-of-pasta-on-table-royalty-free-image/511833425

I have found one of my images in use a couple of weeks ago but as we all know, selling through Getty can take some time until the money arrives. And we won't be able to draw any conclusions as Getty is often discounting images heavily for larger buyers...

But given the standard prices, I'll be happy if some of my images sell every now and then. It's basically not the kind of image I would plan to shoot or invest money in. It's just on top of the regular stock images, random shots I find somewhere or experiments with the mobile.

hjalmeida · « **Reply #29 on:** October 03, 2014, 11:08 »

Quote from: ShadySue on May 14, 2014, 19:13

Quote from: EyeEm on May 14, 2014, 11:23
@Sean Locke: I should have known back from the days at iS, it´s not wise to get in a discussion with you, no offense.. But re Getty, I think it´s rather usual business practice to not publish details about such contracts.
...
But I´m getting back to being creative now..
Is that 'creative/economical with the truth'?
When what you should really be saying is, "you'll get 50% of what we get, but we're not telling you what that is. And anyway, some sales at Getty are really low, so manage your expectations."
For the record, I get 20% of Getty sales, and my share has been as low as 40 cents.

Mine as low as 6 cents

ShadySue · « **Reply #30 on:** October 03, 2014, 11:34 »

Michael, I looked at that link to your pasta photo, then tried to click onwards to the rest of your port via the MichaelZwahlen/EyeEm link, but got
"Server Error in '/' Application.
The resource cannot be found.
Description: HTTP 404. The resource you are looking for (or one of its dependencies) could have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. Please review the following URL and make sure that it is spelled correctly.
Requested URL: /photographers/Michael Zwahlen / EyeEm/search"

MichaelJayFoto · « **Reply #31 on:** October 05, 2014, 04:08 »

Quote from: ShadySue on October 03, 2014, 11:34

Michael, I looked at that link to your pasta photo, then tried to click onwards to the rest of your port via the MichaelZwahlen/EyeEm link, but got
"Server Error in '/' Application.
The resource cannot be found.
Description: HTTP 404. The resource you are looking for (or one of its dependencies) could have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. Please review the following URL and make sure that it is spelled correctly.
Requested URL: /photographers/Michael Zwahlen / EyeEm/search"

Yes... sooooo...?

I can't change my username nor do I do the programming for the Getty website as you most likely know. No point in telling me that things don't work as they should.

ShadySue · « **Reply #32 on:** October 05, 2014, 07:50 »

Quote from: MichaelJayFoto on October 05, 2014, 04:08

Quote from: ShadySue on October 03, 2014, 11:34
Michael, I looked at that link to your pasta photo, then tried to click onwards to the rest of your port via the MichaelZwahlen/EyeEm link, but got
"Server Error in '/' Application.
The resource cannot be found.
Description: HTTP 404. The resource you are looking for (or one of its dependencies) could have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. Please review the following URL and make sure that it is spelled correctly.
Requested URL: /photographers/Michael Zwahlen / EyeEm/search"

Yes... sooooo...?

I can't change my username nor do I do the programming for the Getty website as you most likely know. No point in telling me that things don't work as they should.

True, but if I can't do it, n either can a buyer, and I thought you might have access to a forum or somewhere to report the issue.
OTOH, maybe Getty are no more inclined than iS to fix site issues.

spike · « **Reply #33 on:** November 14, 2014, 16:13 »

People who are involved: any sales?

amabu · « **Reply #34 on:** February 07, 2015, 11:16 »

Quote from: spike on November 14, 2014, 16:13

People who are involved: any sales?

Nobody?

cobalt · « **Reply #35 on:** February 07, 2015, 11:49 »

I received 11 dollars in the first month, 52 in the second,5 dollars in the third. From around 100 images over on getty in the eyeem collection there. around 80% got chosen for getty, but all files will be available in their own marketplace.

But the eyeem marketplace hasn´t opened yet, so I have no idea what to expect, i don´t even know what price points they will have.

So at the moment I am sending content which the normal agencies wouldn´t take - files with very strong smartphone filters, files that have less than 3 mp etc...

My selection is not very systematic, it is a fun side project at this time.

I don´t think any of the files I send have a chance of becoming bestsellers or will turn into high volume sales. If I thought they did I would send them elsewhere.

The app is extremely easy and fun to use, so if they do get their marketplace going I can see quite a bit of my work going to eyeem because the upload is easy. But they still have to prove they can sell from their own site and it will take most of the year to understand where eyeem is going and how much time and attention they should get.

Also at the moment they have a smaller group of photographers. Once their marketplace opens, i expect them to turn on the flood, but we will see, maybe they have a plan for that.

But they take all my overfiltered stuff that nobody else likes, which makes me happy.

Deyan Georgiev Photography · « **Reply #36 on:** February 08, 2015, 00:27 »

Quote from: cobalt on February 07, 2015, 11:49

I received 11 dollars in the first month, 52 in the second,5 dollars in the third. From around 100 images over on getty in the eyeem collection there. around 80% got chosen for getty, but all files will be available in their own marketplace.

But the eyeem marketplace hasn´t opened yet, so I have no idea what to expect, i don´t even know what price points they will have.

So at the moment I am sending content which the normal agencies wouldn´t take - files with very strong smartphone filters, files that have less than 3 mp etc...

My selection is not very systematic, it is a fun side project at this time.

I don´t think any of the files I send have a chance of becoming bestsellers or will turn into high volume sales. If I thought they did I would send them elsewhere.

The app is extremely easy and fun to use, so if they do get their marketplace going I can see quite a bit of my work going to eyeem because the upload is easy. But they still have to prove they can sell from their own site and it will take most of the year to understand where eyeem is going and how much time and attention they should get.

Also at the moment they have a smaller group of photographers. Once their marketplace opens, i expect them to turn on the flood, but we will see, maybe they have a plan for that.

But they take all my overfiltered stuff that nobody else likes, which makes me happy.

Hi Jasmin,

Are this sales from over filtered images, lightly filtered or without?

cobalt · « **Reply #37 on:** February 08, 2015, 03:10 »

All are filternd with strong Smartphone filters and would have been rejected on istock under istocks old standards.

but this doesn't mean that normal photos don't sell, I simply don't have many normal images in what I send there.

So perhaps normal images would sell better on Getty, who knows?

It is much too early to draw any conclusions IMO. And Getty is not the interesting place for me, it is their own marketplace, which hasn't opened yet, that interests me.

If you are looking for good sales from Getty, then I would of course shoot more images with Models in a modern environemnt, maybe with the common outdoor against the sun, or faded 70's look...

You can try to just upload normal stock and see if they take it and if it sells. i am stickig to "Stuff I can't sell elsewhere" until the eyeem marketplace opens.

Perhaps try to follow their "Missions" that might be specific content Getty is looking for.

amabu · « **Reply #38 on:** February 08, 2015, 03:37 »

Quote from: cobalt on February 08, 2015, 03:10

All are filternd with strong Smartphone filters and would have been rejected on istock under istocks old standards.

but this doesn't mean that normal photos don't sell, I simply don't have many normal images in what I send there.

So perhaps normal images would sell better on Getty, who knows?

It is much too early to draw any conclusions IMO. And Getty is not the interesting place for me, it is their own marketplace, which hasn't opened yet, that interests me.

If you are looking for good sales from Getty, then I would of course shoot more images with Models in a modern environemnt, maybe with the common outdoor against the sun, or faded 70's look...

You can try to just upload normal stock and see if they take it and if it sells. i am stickig to "Stuff I can't sell elsewhere" until the eyeem marketplace opens.

Perhaps try to follow their "Missions" that might be specific content Getty is looking for.

But the files that went to Getty are exclusive to Getty, aren´t they? So they won´t even be availabe on the marketplace...?

And can you tell if you got 10% for those Getty sales - or what percentage is it?

cobalt · « **Reply #39 on:** February 08, 2015, 03:54 »

no, the files that are on getty will also be available on eyeem. the files are exclusive to eyeem who then sends some of them to getty.

the only real difference is that the files that move to getty can only be removed after 6 months, while the files that are only on eyeem can be removed anytime. I have done that a few times, because I changed my mind a few times and decided the file was "too normal" and I sent it elsewhere.

I don´t know the percentage that I am getting on getty, but the lowest I have had is 5 dollars, which is unusual. From my time on getty I remember there were lots of much smaller returns. So maybe they have a deal where you get more when it is a low value sale, or there is some kind of lower limit and less if it is higher? again, I have no idea, in total I have had 6 sales, you really can´t make any assumptions from that. The highest was 42 dollars, which isn´t bad. The average now is around 11 dollars. That is more than my average as an istock exclusive for normal main collection content. And again...only 6 sales...really not enough data for any kind of projection...

But for me whatever comes from getty should just be the add on, not the main income. I sincerly hope that their own marketplace will be the main focus and the majority of their money.

However, since the images I am sending now couldn´t be sold elswehere, even if I only got 10% from getty it would still be more than not selling them at all. And if the lowest return is really 5 dollars, that is much better than a sub sale. Again, maybe there are lower sales for some people and I simply haven´t had them yet.

So it is all total speculation. Until their own marketplace gets going, we are working in a cloud of mystery.

I´ll stick to the "fun images that can´t go elsewhere" and enjoy the journey. But I am not planning my financial stock life on them.

It is fun, it adds some money. no stress.

eta: this is the image I got 42 dollars for. I doubt it would have been accepted anywhere else and I don´t believe it is killer bestseller. I got lucky once and maybe this is the only sale this image will ever see.

https://www.eyeem.com/p/43060982

eta2: most of the images I have on eyeem are not in their marketplace. I am enjoying the app and just send whatever I like for fun and the community. Some of these images are available elsewhere as stock. So I am using eyeem as a mix of fun,showcase and to test the reactions to different smartphone filters on a series. For me that has been the most valuable info, because I can use that for my regular stock work.

Deyan Georgiev Photography · « **Reply #40 on:** February 08, 2015, 04:23 »

The future will show us more, but what I can say now is that I like Eyeem and it is so easy to upload.

amabu · « **Reply #41 on:** February 08, 2015, 04:34 »

Quote from: cobalt on February 08, 2015, 03:54

no, the files that are on getty will also be available on eyeem. the files are exclusive to eyeem who then sends some of them to getty.

the only real difference is that the files that move to getty can only be removed after 6 months, while the files that are only on eyeem can be removed anytime. I have done that a few times, because I changed my mind a few times and decided the file was "too normal" and I sent it elsewhere.

I don´t know the percentage that I am getting on getty, but the lowest I have had is 5 dollars, which is unusual. From my time on getty I remember there were lots of much smaller returns. So maybe they have a deal where you get more when it is a low value sale, or there is some kind of lower limit and less if it is higher? again, I have no idea, in total I have had 6 sales, you really can´t make any assumptions from that. The highest was 42 dollars, which isn´t bad. The average now is around 11 dollars. That is more than my average as an istock exclusive for normal main collection content. And again...only 6 sales...really not enough data for any kind of projection...

But for me whatever comes from getty should just be the add on, not the main income. I sincerly hope that their own marketplace will be the main focus and the majority of their money.

However, since the images I am sending now couldn´t be sold elswehere, even if I only got 10% from getty it would still be more than not selling them at all. And if the lowest return is really 5 dollars, that is much better than a sub sale. Again, maybe there are lower sales for some people and I simply haven´t had them yet.

So it is all total speculation. Until their own marketplace gets going, we are working in a cloud of mystery.

I´ll stick to the "fun images that can´t go elsewhere" and enjoy the journey. But I am not planning my financial stock life on them.

It is fun, it adds some money. no stress.

eta: this is the image I got 42 dollars for. I doubt it would have been accepted anywhere else and I don´t believe it is killer bestseller. I got lucky once and maybe this is the only sale this image will ever see.

https://www.eyeem.com/p/43060982

eta2: most of the images I have on eyeem are not in their marketplace. I am enjoying the app and just send whatever I like for fun and the community. Some of these images are available elsewhere as stock. So I am using eyeem as a mix of fun,showcase and to test the reactions to different smartphone filters on a series. For me that has been the most valuable info, because I can use that for my regular stock work.

Oh, I think you´re returns are great! I was just trying to get some information, so thanks for that.

Maybe I´m a bit dim, but how do you tag your images? You can type some text but that´s not searchable, is it? So only those "groups" are searchable keywords?

MarcvsTvllivs · « **Reply #42 on:** February 08, 2015, 05:29 »

Quote from: cobalt on February 08, 2015, 03:54

no, the files that are on getty will also be available on eyeem. the files are exclusive to eyeem who then sends some of them to getty.

Are you sure? It was my understanding that the images are *not* exclusive in any way unless you have them sent to Getty.

MichaelJayFoto · « **Reply #43 on:** February 08, 2015, 06:30 »

Quote from: MarcvsTvllivs on February 08, 2015, 05:29

Quote from: cobalt on February 08, 2015, 03:54
no, the files that are on getty will also be available on eyeem. the files are exclusive to eyeem who then sends some of them to getty.

Are you sure? It was my understanding that the images are *not* exclusive in any way unless you have them sent to Getty.

Yes, that's how I read it: When you upload images to the EyeEm Market, they are not exclusive. If they get selected for the Getty collection and you accept, only then you accept them to be exclusive with EyeEm & Getty.

MichaelJayFoto · « **Reply #44 on:** February 08, 2015, 06:35 »

Quote from: amabu on February 07, 2015, 11:16

Quote from: spike on November 14, 2014, 16:13
People who are involved: any sales?

Nobody?

Yes, I had several sales. All of them on images that were too small and/or too overfiltered to be accepted anywhere else (well, except maybe some microstock which accept everything these days...).

Sales are valued much higher than what I get from microstock, $5 and above in royalty. As we don't know how much they were effectively sold for, we can't be sure about percentages. But I have had several sales that were far above what my best selling mobile images in microstock have made me to date.

cobalt · « **Reply #45 on:** February 08, 2015, 06:47 »

Quote from: MichaelJayFoto on February 08, 2015, 06:30

Quote from: MarcvsTvllivs on February 08, 2015, 05:29
Quote from: cobalt on February 08, 2015, 03:54
no, the files that are on getty will also be available on eyeem. the files are exclusive to eyeem who then sends some of them to getty.

Are you sure? It was my understanding that the images are *not* exclusive in any way unless you have them sent to Getty.

Yes, that's how I read it: When you upload images to the EyeEm Market, they are not exclusive. If they get selected for the Getty collection and you accept, only then you accept them to be exclusive with EyeEm & Getty.

Really??

You see, you learn something new every day. But it still means I have to send them content that is new and isn´t available elsewhere. because if it gets selected it is exclusive. But this would mean that the files they don´t select for getty could go to other smartphone collections, like fotolia or shutterstock. Or maybe I process a second batch without smartphone filters to make them sellable elsewhere.

But how will they encourage people to prefer the eyeem marketplace over gettyimages?

I would have thought that having more exclusive content of smartphone style images was the attraction.

Anyway, it is an interesting place and I wish them well. And yes, for the first 3 months and 100 files the returns are good. But I sincerly hope that making money from their own marketplace is what they are really going for and that it will be much more money then what they can get via getty.

cobalt · « **Reply #46 on:** February 08, 2015, 06:58 »

Quote from: amabu on February 08, 2015, 04:34

Maybe I´m a bit dim, but how do you tag your images? You can type some text but that´s not searchable, is it? So only those "groups" are searchable keywords?

I just add a few of these group tags, I don´t see any other way to add keywords, title or description. The files for getty are described and keyworded by getty, but apparently the keyworders don´t have any file info. So I am getting some weird descriptions and keywording:

"View of calm beach against clear sky"

but the picture is from the desert Wadi Rum in Jordan, no sea anywhere near it or in the picture. If it is not keyworded with Jordan and wadi rum nobody will buy it.

https://www.eyeem.com/p/42669494

Most of the other files have good keywording and descriptions.

I haven´t written to them to have it changed, I am waiting until they have everything ready and their own marketplace is set up. They must give us better tools eventually. Also stockperformer integration etc...but since they are in Berlin, I am sure they will talk to Luis and Oliver at some point.

Deyan Georgiev Photography · « **Reply #47 on:** February 08, 2015, 09:00 »

Quote from: cobalt on February 08, 2015, 06:47

Quote from: MichaelJayFoto on February 08, 2015, 06:30
Quote from: MarcvsTvllivs on February 08, 2015, 05:29
Quote from: cobalt on February 08, 2015, 03:54
no, the files that are on getty will also be available on eyeem. the files are exclusive to eyeem who then sends some of them to getty.

Are you sure? It was my understanding that the images are *not* exclusive in any way unless you have them sent to Getty.

Yes, that's how I read it: When you upload images to the EyeEm Market, they are not exclusive. If they get selected for the Getty collection and you accept, only then you accept them to be exclusive with EyeEm & Getty.

You see, you learn something new every day. But it still means I have to send them content that is new and isn´t available elsewhere. because if it gets selected it is exclusive. But this would mean that the files they don´t select for getty could go to other smartphone collections, like fotolia or shutterstock. Or maybe I process a second batch without smartphone filters to make them sellable elsewhere.

I upload firstly to Eyeem and after the Getty selection and my personal selection for Getty(I try to be a small quantity) I go to the second step and upload to Fotolia and the others.

I became interested on the smart phone collection in Shutterstock. How it works?
I've tried to upload several times mobile images to Shutterstock and all rejected due the technical problems(I use iPhone 6+) After that I ask them why and the response was to not use the Shutterstock mobile application for to upload mobile images, but to upload images "taken by a professional camera". I do not know to smile or to cry, I did not expect this kind of response from Shutterstock when they have upload option for images in their mobile app. Am I missing something?

cobalt · « **Reply #48 on:** February 08, 2015, 11:02 »

Maybe ask in their forums. But a smartphone Upload App that doesn't like images taken with smartphones is weird.

Deyan Georgiev Photography · « **Reply #49 on:** February 08, 2015, 14:19 »

Quote from: cobalt on February 08, 2015, 11:02

Maybe ask in their forums. But a smartphone Upload App that doesn't like images taken with smartphones is weird.

To me too. I hope this will have evaluation soon, it is not normal Shutterstock to lag behind in terms of mobile photography.

MaZvone · « **Reply #50 on:** May 27, 2015, 12:51 »

Did anyone contributing on Eyeem, do you have any sales?

m00n · « **Reply #51 on:** May 27, 2015, 13:56 »

Yes, on the EyeEm/Getty collection. But not on their own Market yet.

MaZvone · « **Reply #52 on:** May 27, 2015, 14:16 »

What is average sale price on Getty collection $$?

GaryR62 · « **Reply #53 on:** October 13, 2015, 13:34 »

"I am also worried that eyeem will not really be marketed as a sales plattform, that instead it will just be another content feeder agency for Getty. Similar to the content they took from flickr."

Agreed. I have over 800 images on EyeEm Market, now, with 227 of them approved for the EyeEm Collection at Getty Images, yet, when I visit the Getty Images website and search for the EyeEm Collection there, nothing turns up at all and there is no mention of EyeEm or the EyeEm Collection on Getty's site at all. Thus, I am wondering if this is a one-sided arrangement in which EyeEm Market is gaining some status from their claim to a Getty connection, while Getty is pretending EyeEm doesn't exist. It's either that or, as you say, EyeEm is just being used as a "feeder" site for Getty's purposes. Considering the overall quality of the images at EyeEm and the fact that most EyeEm members treat the site as a social networking venue, I'd say that must be the case.

Gary

hatman12 · « **Reply #54 on:** October 13, 2015, 13:48 »

I went to the Getty web site and, using the RF Collection filter, I was able to select the Eyeem and Eyeem Premium collections. Total of 734,771 files are shown.

GaryR62 · « **Reply #55 on:** October 13, 2015, 16:19 »

Yep. Since posting, I found a link that I believe Cobalt posted to the EyeEm Collection. However, in searching the collection (All Images/USA/Seattle) I found absolutely none of my own. So, I guess what EyeEm's reviewers mean, when they email me to tell me my work has been "shortlisted for inclusion in the EyeEm Collection at Getty Images" is that my images are being considered for inclusion, but have not actually been included, yet.

Gary

GaryR62 · « **Reply #56 on:** October 13, 2015, 16:23 »

Another gripe I have with the EyeEm Collection is the lack of sufficient filters there. Where are the filters for any of the tags I've so laboriously spent my time entering on each of my images? I would expect, at minimum, that a client looking through the collection should be able to specify, for example, black and white.

Gary

GaryR62 · « **Reply #57 on:** October 13, 2015, 16:25 »

I also tried to cut to the chase by searching for myself by name, under Photographers, but no luck, there. Of course, if I'm right that my images haven't yet been included in the collection, then that explains that, right?

Gary

cobalt · « **Reply #58 on:** October 13, 2015, 18:15 »

It can take a month or more for files to move over to Getty...just ask the istock exclusives.... Files will also get a new description and keywords.

The quality of description and keywords is debatable...but you can write to their support if it is really out of line.

Eyeem is community and visual fun first and shouldn't be seen as a stonehard stock agency, although I am sure some people that specialize on them will make money, like always.

Maybe once their marketplace grows it will be different, but building a worldwide stock community takes time. The world is a big place, lots of people to connect...

Their support is very friendly and helpful, often answers within one hour, sometimes 20 minutes.

Everyone will have their own way of working, but I really love eyeem just the way it is.

hofhoek · « **Reply #59 on:** October 14, 2015, 13:00 »

I just entered EyeEm but I was so stupid to click a button so I receive every mail concerning other images who have the same tags. I don't want to receive a hundred emails about images in the same tags. What do I do to avoid this? And how long does it take to know if the images are accepted at the EyeEm site? I have uploaded about 15 images.
Hope to hear something.
Thnx
Patricia