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« Reply #200 on: July 13, 2012, 13:39 »
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Sounds like illustrators do considerably better on GL than photographers.  I only get around $30/month there, and they are 0% of my overall stock income.  That's with 6500 images. 

cant be 0% ;D


lisafx

« Reply #201 on: July 13, 2012, 13:42 »
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Sounds like illustrators do considerably better on GL than photographers.  I only get around $30/month there, and they are 0% of my overall stock income.  That's with 6500 images. 

cant be 0% ;D

Tell that to my MS Office Spreadsheet. ;)

I do my stats in a spreadsheet every month and fractions less than 1% show as 0%.  If it's less than 1%, I am not going to fret over working out exactly how tiny a fraction of a % it actually is.  FWIW there are several sites that are higher than GL and still show as 0%, so it is really down there. 

Microbius

« Reply #202 on: July 13, 2012, 13:56 »
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Sounds like illustrators do considerably better on GL than photographers.  I only get around $30/month there, and they are 0% of my overall stock income.  That's with 6500 images. 
Wow, okay then I guess illustrators do do better at GL.

Lagereek

« Reply #203 on: July 13, 2012, 14:07 »
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In their search, they should really keep their illustrations and photography apart, the very name Graphic, imply its all graphics, illustrations, etc and it could very well be that buyers simply dont associate GL with much photography.
Dont know but its a thought. I have sent them a few buyers and a couple have actually asked me if they, ALSO,  do photography.

WarrenPrice

« Reply #204 on: July 13, 2012, 14:11 »
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In their search, they should really keep their illustrations and photography apart, the very name Graphic, imply its all graphics, illustrations, etc and it could very well be that buyers simply dont associate GL with much photography.
Dont know but its a thought. I have sent them a few buyers and a couple have actually asked me if they, ALSO,  do photography.


Graphics - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics

Lagereek

« Reply #205 on: July 13, 2012, 14:15 »
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In their search, they should really keep their illustrations and photography apart, the very name Graphic, imply its all graphics, illustrations, etc and it could very well be that buyers simply dont associate GL with much photography.
Dont know but its a thought. I have sent them a few buyers and a couple have actually asked me if they, ALSO,  do photography.


Graphics - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics


Sure! known that for around 30 years but buyers, micro buyers, do they know?  doubt it!  and thats the whole point. What you and I know is totally and utterly irrelevant.

« Reply #206 on: July 13, 2012, 14:44 »
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Sounds like illustrators do considerably better on GL than photographers.  I only get around $30/month there, and they are 0% of my overall stock income.  That's with 6500 images. 

cant be 0% ;D

Tell that to my MS Office Spreadsheet. ;)

I do my stats in a spreadsheet every month and fractions less than 1% show as 0%.  If it's less than 1%, I am not going to fret over working out exactly how tiny a fraction of a % it actually is.  FWIW there are several sites that are higher than GL and still show as 0%, so it is really down there. 

sure I was kidding ;)

lisafx

« Reply #207 on: July 13, 2012, 19:28 »
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What you and I know is totally and utterly irrelevant.

Amen to that!  I find most of what I know to be more and more irrelevant generally ;)  :'(

Lagereek

« Reply #208 on: July 14, 2012, 00:38 »
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What you and I know is totally and utterly irrelevant.

Amen to that!  I find most of what I know to be more and more irrelevant generally ;)  :'(

Yeah, same here and especially in micro, hey?  :)

grafix04

« Reply #209 on: July 14, 2012, 01:01 »
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In their search, they should really keep their illustrations and photography apart, the very name Graphic, imply its all graphics, illustrations, etc and it could very well be that buyers simply dont associate GL with much photography.
Dont know but its a thought. I have sent them a few buyers and a couple have actually asked me if they, ALSO,  do photography.


Graphics - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics


Sure! known that for around 30 years but buyers, micro buyers, do they know?  doubt it!  and thats the whole point. What you and I know is totally and utterly irrelevant.


You've lost me.  Why wouldn't buyers know that photography is included in the definition of 'graphics'?

I always thought that illustrations do better on GL because they've had a head start.  Uploading photography was only allowed there recently, wasn't it?

Lagereek

« Reply #210 on: July 14, 2012, 01:32 »
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In their search, they should really keep their illustrations and photography apart, the very name Graphic, imply its all graphics, illustrations, etc and it could very well be that buyers simply dont associate GL with much photography.
Dont know but its a thought. I have sent them a few buyers and a couple have actually asked me if they, ALSO,  do photography.


Graphics - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics


Sure! known that for around 30 years but buyers, micro buyers, do they know?  doubt it!  and thats the whole point. What you and I know is totally and utterly irrelevant.


You've lost me.  Why wouldn't buyers know that photography is included in the definition of 'graphics'?

I always thought that illustrations do better on GL because they've had a head start.  Uploading photography was only allowed there recently, wasn't it?


Blimey!  why is it so hard to grasp?  some agencies are from buyers point of view, associated with Video, some with 3D, some with News, some with Illustrations/drawings and some with Photography, etc, etc, etc.
The name, "Graphic"  is more associated with illustrations rather then photography, simple as that. Or else some clients that I did send to GL, wouldnt ask me: do they also do Photography?  would they?

best.

grafix04

« Reply #211 on: July 14, 2012, 02:23 »
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Blimey!  why is it so hard to grasp?  some agencies are from buyers point of view, associated with Video, some with 3D, some with News, some with Illustrations/drawings and some with Photography, etc, etc, etc.
The name, "Graphic"  is more associated with illustrations rather then photography, simple as that. Or else some clients that I did send to GL, wouldnt ask me: do they also do Photography?  would they?

best.

Maybe I can't understand why you would assume all buyers are stupid just because a few ditzy ones asked you that question. 

The word "graphic" is not more associated with "illustrations" rather than photography.  The word graphic has always been associated with anything graphic which includes photography.  The word "illustration" - despite it including photography - is associated with vectors etc, rather than photography, but that's because stock photo sites have differentiated it that way.  The word "graphic" hasn't really been used that way.  When we use the word "graphic design" we know it includes photography.  Graphic designers are buyers so I can't understand why you would think they wouldn't associate the word "graphic" with photography as well as other images.

That aside though, it's still interesting to see that GL favors illustrations rather than photos. 

Microbius

« Reply #212 on: July 14, 2012, 02:30 »
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I would associate "graphic" more with illustrations, I guess because of the overlap between graphic designer and illustrator (when we are talking about vector illustrations), and because I would just say "photo" when I mean photo. But then again that could just be me.

grafix04

« Reply #213 on: July 14, 2012, 02:43 »
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I would associate "graphic" more with illustrations, I guess because of the overlap between graphic designer and illustrator (when we are talking about vector illustrations), and because I would just say "photo" when I mean photo. But then again that could just be me.

You mean the overlap between graphic artist and illustrator but the keyword there is 'artist' and that's why they're disassociated from photography.  With graphic design it's all about composition and layout of text, illustrations, photography, backgrounds and any element they use. 

I don't know, maybe it's just me then.  Maybe I should assume all buyers are stupid  ;D

Microbius

« Reply #214 on: July 14, 2012, 03:11 »
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Or maybe because the term "graphic photographer" doesn't exist, as the the "graphic" part would be redundant?

Lagereek

« Reply #215 on: July 14, 2012, 04:37 »
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I would associate "graphic" more with illustrations, I guess because of the overlap between graphic designer and illustrator (when we are talking about vector illustrations), and because I would just say "photo" when I mean photo. But then again that could just be me.

Exactly!  spot on!  graphic design, etc, etc,  much more associated with illustrations, drawings then plain and simple photography. Back in the old film days there was an agency called " photo-graphics" Ltd,  all photos of layouts and designs for sale. Ofcourse nobody consulted them for conventional photography.

Lagereek

« Reply #216 on: July 14, 2012, 04:39 »
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I would associate "graphic" more with illustrations, I guess because of the overlap between graphic designer and illustrator (when we are talking about vector illustrations), and because I would just say "photo" when I mean photo. But then again that could just be me.

You mean the overlap between graphic artist and illustrator but the keyword there is 'artist' and that's why they're disassociated from photography.  With graphic design it's all about composition and layout of text, illustrations, photography, backgrounds and any element they use. 

I don't know, maybe it's just me then.  Maybe I should assume all buyers are stupid  ;D

Youre right in assuming buyers are stupid! I mean lets face it, they buy our micro pics. :D


lisafx

« Reply #217 on: July 14, 2012, 17:04 »
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For whatever reason, be it confusion about the name "Graphic" Leftovers, or because when GL started out they were more focused on illustration, 3d renders, etc. (they only began accepting people photography a bit over a year ago), or some other reason, the fact remains that illustrators seem to do a LOT better on GL than photographers. 

« Reply #218 on: July 14, 2012, 23:44 »
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I do both photography and illustration. My meager sales on GL have been a 50% split been the two but the photos that have sold have been quite GRAPHIC.

Lagereek

« Reply #219 on: July 15, 2012, 01:23 »
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For whatever reason, be it confusion about the name "Graphic" Leftovers, or because when GL started out they were more focused on illustration, 3d renders, etc. (they only began accepting people photography a bit over a year ago), or some other reason, the fact remains that illustrators seem to do a LOT better on GL than photographers. 

Correct, 100%.

Microbius

« Reply #220 on: July 15, 2012, 04:52 »
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Sorry to go back to it again, but I feel really silly now. Have been thinking while away from the computer.
Graphic is from the Greek to write (γραφω to γραφικός), graphics really means drawings. As in calligraphy (καλοι-γραφω)= good writing/ drawing. Photo-graphy is "drawing with light" (φως=light: φωτο-γραφία). I can speak Greek too, but wasn't thinking too deeply.
This is why (some) people feel graphics refers more to illustration, it does. The graphic part of photo-graphic is there because photos are like illustrations made with light.
Feel better now.

Lagereek

« Reply #221 on: July 15, 2012, 05:13 »
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Sorry to go back to it again, but I feel really silly now. Have been thinking while away from the computer.
Graphic is from the Greek to write (γραφω to γραφικός), graphics really means drawings. As in calligraphy (καλοι-γραφω)= good writing/ drawing. Photo-graphy is "drawing with light" (φως=light: φωτο-γραφία). I can speak Greek too, but wasn't thinking too deeply.
This is why (some) people feel graphics refers more to illustration, it does. The graphic part of photo-graphic is there because photos are like illustrations made with light.
Feel better now.

Youve really investigated in it!  good!  more then most ppl, do here. Yes and Im sure many buyers looks upon GL in this manner, they somehow associate GL more with graphics, illustrations then photography. No harm in that ofcourse but it does reflect on saLES OF FILES.

Microbius

« Reply #222 on: July 15, 2012, 06:37 »
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I don't want to seem like I spent ages looking into it  ;) I just had to switch my brain to thinking about in Greek really, which for some reason I didn't in the spur of the moment. It's a good habit to get into whenever you are having a discussion on semantics, as most words have either Greek or Latin roots.

NB One more connection I didn't make. "Graphics" is searched for as much as "illustrations" on SS (according to darkroom). I don't think anyone looking for a photo is using the word "graphics" to search for it so I guess buyers use the word for illustrations too.
« Last Edit: July 15, 2012, 06:42 by Microbius »

grafix04

« Reply #223 on: July 15, 2012, 07:00 »
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Sorry to go back to it again, but I feel really silly now. Have been thinking while away from the computer.
Graphic is from the Greek to write (γραφω to γραφικός), graphics really means drawings. As in calligraphy (καλοι-γραφω)= good writing/ drawing. Photo-graphy is "drawing with light" (φως=light: φωτο-γραφία). I can speak Greek too, but wasn't thinking too deeply.
This is why (some) people feel graphics refers more to illustration, it does. The graphic part of photo-graphic is there because photos are like illustrations made with light.
Feel better now.

Youve really investigated in it!  good!  more then most ppl, do here. Yes and Im sure many buyers looks upon GL in this manner, they somehow associate GL more with graphics, illustrations then photography. No harm in that ofcourse but it does reflect on saLES OF FILES.

Microbius, looks like you picked that up straight from Wiki, which is wrong.  The word 'photography' doesn't come from two Greek words otherwise it would be 'phosgraphy'.  It comes from two Latin words: 'foto' which means 'light' and 'grafia' which means 'write/draw'.  In Greek a drawing or design is actually σχέδιο not 'γραφω' which means 'write'.  I'm Greek by the way and I've never associated the word "Graphics" with drawings just because γραφω or γράφει means to write.  I've always associated it with the actual defined meaning of the word and have to assume that most others go by the actual definition too.  I really don't believe people sit there deciphering a word by looking at ancient Greek or Latin meanings when we have modern day dictionaries available to us.  There is no real ancient Latin or Greek word for 'photography' because photography never existed back then.  

As I've mentioned earlier, buyers probably relate the word "illustration" to images that aren't photography because the stock industry has used the word to mean any image other than a photograph - even though photos are in fact illustrations.  However, I don't believe this has happened with the word "graphics".

Buyers probably don't associate GL with photos because GL didn't have them in the beginning.  Buyers probably checked them out back in '08 when they started up and found that they didn't have photos and that's probably why photos don't do well there.  Aside from that, vector artists would have better placement in the search rankings because they signed up first years before photographers.  

I'd say it's probably only a matter of time before photographers catch up and it wouldn't hurt if GL marketed the site to make more buyers aware that they now include photos.  

Lagereek

« Reply #224 on: July 15, 2012, 07:09 »
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Absoloutely! thay should market the site a LOT MORE!  its a smashing site with knowledgable people,  so lets take advatage of that. Please.


 

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