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Title: OMG America!!!
Post by: KnowYourOnions on March 15, 2016, 18:56
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results (http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Shelma1 on March 15, 2016, 19:11
And?
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: KnowYourOnions on March 15, 2016, 19:30
And?

Trump winning...seriously!?!  :o
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Post by: Shelma1 on March 15, 2016, 19:45
Both Hillary and Bernie beat him in national polls. Madame President will do a great job.
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Post by: noodle on March 15, 2016, 20:00
If Trump ends up winning it'll be the biggest PUNK'D America has ever seen! LOL!
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Post by: Leo on March 15, 2016, 20:00
And?

Trump winning...seriously!?!  :o

"and justice for all" or "you will reap what you sow" in the end all is fair. I don't vote  8)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 15, 2016, 20:12
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.
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Post by: Sean Locke Photography on March 15, 2016, 21:03
^ That doesn't surprise me for some reason.
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Post by: wordplanet on March 15, 2016, 23:22
Go Hillary!
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Post by: Allsa on March 16, 2016, 01:38
Feel the Bern!
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Post by: Justanotherphotographer on March 16, 2016, 01:46
I don't understand the mentality. If people think the system is corrupt why vote in some super rich guy? Why not vote in someone that wants to reform the system like Bernie. Does the electorate think the solution is to only have super rich politicians from now on? And by the way rich doesn't mean incorruptible, they didn't get rich by not being greedy or knowing enough is enough.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Chichikov on March 16, 2016, 02:27
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.

I have no pro or con for Trump.
But do you really believe that he will not be, him too, one of these "who promise things and never deliver"?
I am sure he will; all politicians are…
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Ronnie on March 16, 2016, 03:17
Good luck to USAmerica
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: click_click on March 16, 2016, 04:13
Looking at the presidential race with a European perspective but also having experienced a couple of elections while living in the US I think that Trump has one simple advantage over most of his competitors (both Republican or Democrat):

He has no background in politics and he speaks his mind.

No matter how crazy his ideas are, he just speaks the way he feels and it looks genuine and authentic. Something the other candidates do not show!!!

Ever since I somewhat followed the presidential elections in the US I felt like all candidates are not "real". They didn't look, talk and present themselves as a natural person rather than something that their advisors tell them to be.

Political correctness gone mad if you will. Always being careful what to say. Trying not offend anyone (which obviously is impossible).

Trump on the other hand loves to offend, to be difficult and nasty. He surely f$%&ed up many businesses and pi$$ed off many people on the way but still he managed to build a little empire. He is definitely not an economical loser.

Anyhow, IMO as long as there is no other candidate standing up like a genuine, authentic person who also says things that not everybody likes, this may be a big wake up call for America.

I'm not saying that Trump would be a good president but so far it shows that he is doing something right.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sharpshot on March 16, 2016, 04:20
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.
Why would Trump be any different?  Do you really think he wont be helping his rich friends and himself get richer?  Are people really that naive? The system doesn't work, it really doesn't matter who makes the false promises before the election.  I wouldn't trust Trump or Clinton, they both have a shady past.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sharpshot on March 16, 2016, 04:33
Looking at the presidential race with a European perspective but also having experienced a couple of elections while living in the US I think that Trump has one simple advantage over most of his competitors (both Republican or Democrat):

He has no background in politics and he speaks his mind.

No matter how crazy his ideas are, he just speaks the way he feels and it looks genuine and authentic. Something the other candidates do not show!!!

Ever since I somewhat followed the presidential elections in the US I felt like all candidates are not "real". They didn't look, talk and present themselves as a natural person rather than something that their advisors tell them to be.

Political correctness gone mad if you will. Always being careful what to say. Trying not offend anyone (which obviously is impossible).

Trump on the other hand loves to offend, to be difficult and nasty. He surely f$%&ed up many businesses and pi$$ed off many people on the way but still he managed to build a little empire. He is definitely not an economical loser.

Anyhow, IMO as long as there is no other candidate standing up like a genuine, authentic person who also says things that not everybody likes, this may be a big wake up call for America.

I'm not saying that Trump would be a good president but so far it shows that he is doing something right.
Do you really think trump is genuine?  Even his hair is made up :)  He gets angry and walks away whenever someone makes allegations about his business deals.  An honest genuine person could admit to past mistakes but politicians can't do that, so I think Donald Trump is just another politician.  He isn't PC but he has his own way to not answer questions or to make the person asking an awkward question look stupid.  He is so verbally abusive to anyone that seriously questions him, how can anyone think that makes him genuine?
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: click_click on March 16, 2016, 05:56
Looking at the presidential race with a European perspective but also having experienced a couple of elections while living in the US I think that Trump has one simple advantage over most of his competitors (both Republican or Democrat):

He has no background in politics and he speaks his mind.

No matter how crazy his ideas are, he just speaks the way he feels and it looks genuine and authentic. Something the other candidates do not show!!!

Ever since I somewhat followed the presidential elections in the US I felt like all candidates are not "real". They didn't look, talk and present themselves as a natural person rather than something that their advisors tell them to be.

Political correctness gone mad if you will. Always being careful what to say. Trying not offend anyone (which obviously is impossible).

Trump on the other hand loves to offend, to be difficult and nasty. He surely f$%&ed up many businesses and pi$$ed off many people on the way but still he managed to build a little empire. He is definitely not an economical loser.

Anyhow, IMO as long as there is no other candidate standing up like a genuine, authentic person who also says things that not everybody likes, this may be a big wake up call for America.

I'm not saying that Trump would be a good president but so far it shows that he is doing something right.
Do you really think trump is genuine?  Even his hair is made up :)  He gets angry and walks away whenever someone makes allegations about his business deals.  An honest genuine person could admit to past mistakes but politicians can't do that, so I think Donald Trump is just another politician.  He isn't PC but he has his own way to not answer questions or to make the person asking an awkward question look stupid.  He is so verbally abusive to anyone that seriously questions him, how can anyone think that makes him genuine?
That is just my feeling. Your experience may vary. Any half-brained person would not vote for someone that suggests building a wall to Mexico etc. - that being another issue, how it's possible that so many Americans still support someone who makes such claims.

THAT, is something America has to worry about. We experience a similar issue in Germany with AfD (strong right party). They do not have a proper politcal plan but still they manage to mobilize people to go vote.

Such "politicians" also understand how to make people vote who haven't been voting for years. This is all stuff Trump is doing right.

Again, I'm not claiming he is a good politician or president. But it baffles me that all other candidates and the media is acting all surprised about his success when obviously previously elected politicians failed to understand how to address those people that now vote for Trump.

Anyway, this will be an endless discussion. I'm not in the US anymore so I will just get my popcorn and watch the show.
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Post by: Zero Talent on March 16, 2016, 10:02
Roger Waters - In the Flesh! A great song with timeless lyrics, a metaphor for all dictators, fascists or communists
from Pink Floyd's album: The Wall!!!

Are there any queers in the theater tonight?
Get 'em up against the wall
(Yes the wall)
There's one in the spotlight now he don't look right to me
Get him up against the wall
(Yes the wall)
And that one looks Jewish and that one's a coon
Who let all this riffraff into the room?
There's one smoking a joint and that one's got spots
If I had my way I'd have all of you shot


Trump:
He actually wants to build a Wall!  :o
Are there any Muslims/Mexicans in the rally tonight? Deport them, etc (or get them up against the wall)
"I hope these guys get thrown into a jail" (or get them up against the wall) - exact quote
"I'd like to punch him in the face" (If I had my way I'd have all of you shot) - exact quote

Perfect analogy for the future fascist president!
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Copidosoma on March 16, 2016, 10:04
Ultimately, you get the government you deserve.

I really worry about some of the rhetoric coming out of Trump's mouth and the fact that he gets more support from saying it. Americans are pretty quick to deride communism, socialism etc but apparently very few have any understanding of what fascism is and why it is so dangerous (and seductive).

But, it is none of my business what happens south of the border. I'm strapped to the bomb but can't control it. Just along for the ride.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Zero Talent on March 16, 2016, 10:25
Ultimately, you get the government you deserve.

I really worry about some of the rhetoric coming out of Trump's mouth and the fact that he gets more support from saying it. Americans are pretty quick to deride communism, socialism etc but apparently very few have any understanding of what fascism is and why it is so dangerous (and seductive).

But, it is none of my business what happens south of the border. I'm strapped to the bomb but can't control it. Just along for the ride.

This concert, with the audience playing along, looks like a Trump rally!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvl0MDXH96M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvl0MDXH96M)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAlVEbjusLk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAlVEbjusLk)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: wordplanet on March 16, 2016, 10:43
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I really worry about some of the rhetoric coming out of Trump's mouth and the fact that he gets more support from saying it. Americans are pretty quick to deride communism, socialism etc but apparently very few have any understanding of what fascism is and why it is so dangerous (and seductive).
...

There are many of us who recognize fascist rhetoric when we see it. I just hope there are enough of us.
 
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Post by: Copidosoma on March 16, 2016, 10:46
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I really worry about some of the rhetoric coming out of Trump's mouth and the fact that he gets more support from saying it. Americans are pretty quick to deride communism, socialism etc but apparently very few have any understanding of what fascism is and why it is so dangerous (and seductive).
...

There are many of us who recognize fascist rhetoric when we see it. I just hope there are enough of us.

Alot of us hope so.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Chichikov on March 16, 2016, 11:02
It is undeniable that in recent years we are witnessing a rise of populism in many countries.
People are tired of those who for years did nothing more than to f#%k them in any possible way.
People feel that they have to move to something else (but do they really know what to do?)…

But the problem is that, contrary to the view of most people, it is not the politicians who rule the world, and changing politicians or political currents actually changes nothing for 99,99% of the population…
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Post by: sooner_foto on March 16, 2016, 11:24
Trump is the George Wallace for 2016.  GW didn't work out so well as a general candidate. 

A two party system works best when there are two strong parties.  Unfortunately the GOPs insistence of fighting lost battles (social change, changing demographics, general progress) and trying to turn back the clocks to the 1930s is a losing strategy.

The exclusive strategy didn't work with the last rich business man they ran - Mitt Romney and the numbers haven't changed.  America didn't become more white, more straight, more male dominated in the past few years but on the surface it appears to have become stupider.

Trump will keep his percentage of uneducated, racist, angry voters but will lose in a landslide in the national election dragging his party down with him.

As it is the GOP only appears viable due to gerrymandering and the use of fear as a governing tactic.  There aren't any actual ideas and they've given up on trying to govern.  At this point they are so weak they are afraid of the supreme court nomination process.

Meanwhile, as with the last election cycle, the media will play along with the notion that the race is tight even though the results are rather well predicted - you can't win by excluding women, minorities, unions, LGBT community etc.  There just aren't enough poorly educated, angry white men to pull it off.

At this point Bernie is done.  Time to start bringing the party in around Hillary to make sure we don't elect our own version of Putin.
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Post by: chairboy on March 16, 2016, 13:16
Bernie Sanders will raise all contributor shares to 50%!!!!!

Bob
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Post by: PixelBytes on March 16, 2016, 13:16
Trump is the George Wallace for 2016.  GW didn't work out so well as a general candidate. 

A two party system works best when there are two strong parties.  Unfortunately the GOPs insistence of fighting lost battles (social change, changing demographics, general progress) and trying to turn back the clocks to the 1930s is a losing strategy.

The exclusive strategy didn't work with the last rich business man they ran - Mitt Romney and the numbers haven't changed.  America didn't become more white, more straight, more male dominated in the past few years but on the surface it appears to have become stupider.

Trump will keep his percentage of uneducated, racist, angry voters but will lose in a landslide in the national election dragging his party down with him.

As it is the GOP only appears viable due to gerrymandering and the use of fear as a governing tactic.  There aren't any actual ideas and they've given up on trying to govern.  At this point they are so weak they are afraid of the supreme court nomination process.

Meanwhile, as with the last election cycle, the media will play along with the notion that the race is tight even though the results are rather well predicted - you can't win by excluding women, minorities, unions, LGBT community etc.  There just aren't enough poorly educated, angry white men to pull it off.

At this point Bernie is done.  Time to start bringing the party in around Hillary to make sure we don't elect our own version of Putin.

Best analysis of the situation!
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: asiseeit on March 16, 2016, 13:18
I don't understand the mentality. If people think the system is corrupt why vote in some super rich guy? Why not vote in someone that wants to reform the system like Bernie. Does the electorate think the solution is to only have super rich politicians from now on? And by the way rich doesn't mean incorruptible, they didn't get rich by not being greedy or knowing enough is enough.

Most Americans trust successful business leaders far more than they trust politicians.

Bernie hasn't a chance, Hillary was anointed by the Dems a long time ago. The only thing that would keep her out is a trip to prison.
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Post by: Hongover on March 16, 2016, 13:31
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.
Why would Trump be any different?  Do you really think he wont be helping his rich friends and himself get richer?  Are people really that naive? The system doesn't work, it really doesn't matter who makes the false promises before the election.  I wouldn't trust Trump or Clinton, they both have a shady past.

At this point in time, it doesn't matter what I think. I can't stop the inevitable and neither can anyone else. Trump and Hillary will be the nominees and one of them will become president.

What I do know is this. Every candidate that has receive campaign funding is going to have to return the favor in one way or another. It's going to be favorable business deals that are part of bills or other backdoor deals. Bush Jr wasted hundreds of billions with Halliburton and wasted a over a trillion dollars on unnecessary wars. Obama has done his share of giving hundreds of billions away as well.

Trump has barely received any campaign funding. He doesn't have to return many favors. The Republican establishment is trying everything to stop Trump for one simple reason...their friends won't be getting any deals. Trump is more of an independent in the way he thinks and he's not going to allow a lot of pork to go through to friends of either party. Behind all the rhetoric is a successful businessman who has ran a gigantic organization with a structure similar to a government. Will he build a wall? Maybe. Will he do some of the crazy things he talked about? probably not. What I do know is that he knows how to efficiently run a huge organization. I also happen to value people who are honest and straight shooting.

He is the most dangerous candidate for Hillary to run against. He can and will take Hillary out of her game and make her look bad. Whether anyone likes it or not, Trump has a near 50% chance to become president of the United States. In boxing, there is a term called "Styles make fights", and I actually think Trump could actually be a favorite against Hillary because of their personalities.



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Post by: Justanotherphotographer on March 16, 2016, 13:43
Of course Trumps business buddies will be getting deals. It will work like in the UK. The politicians can do favours in advance of cushy speaking deals or consultation positions worth millions after they finish their term, it's just as easy doing deals for those funding their campaign in advance of coming to office.
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Post by: Copidosoma on March 16, 2016, 13:56
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.
Why would Trump be any different?  Do you really think he wont be helping his rich friends and himself get richer?  Are people really that naive? The system doesn't work, it really doesn't matter who makes the false promises before the election.  I wouldn't trust Trump or Clinton, they both have a shady past.


Trump has barely received any campaign funding. He doesn't have to return many favors. The Republican establishment is trying everything to stop Trump for one simple reason...their friends won't be getting any deals. Trump is more of an independent in the way he thinks and he's not going to allow a lot of pork to go through to friends of either party. Behind all the rhetoric is a successful businessman who has ran a gigantic organization with a structure similar to a government. Will he build a wall? Maybe. Will he do some of the crazy things he talked about? probably not. What I do know is that he knows how to efficiently run a huge organization. I also happen to value people who are honest and straight shooting.



That is quite an over simplification. I'm not saying that it isn't partially true but I'd bet that they are trying to stop him because if he actually gets in power it will ruin not only the economy but the GOP "brand" for a long long time.

It doesn't totally matter if he actually goes through with some of his crazy schemes (frankly, some of them would be illegal and unconstitutional) but the fact that he even suggests them should cause concern. Saying things without putting a mental filter on them is great for getting popular support. It is NOT what you want a leader to do.
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Post by: cascoly on March 16, 2016, 14:01
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.

I have no pro or con for Trump.
But do you really believe that he will not be, him too, one of these "who promise things and never deliver"?
I am sure he will; all politicians are…

hard to deliver since he hasn't made any concrete promises other than everything will be great.  he's a demagogue playing to sexist, racist, nationalist and anti-immigrant feelings. 

even the republican party can't back him! 

meanwhile Obama has come thru on many of his promises:
-affordable care act giving health care to over 10 million more
-stimulus which pulled us out of Bush's recession
-steady jobs growth over 6 years
-an historic climate change agreement
-opening relations with Cuba
-fewer prisoners in Guantanamo (remainder are there because of republican congress' refusal to act)

as far as trump as a 'successful' business man - that's no where near the same as running a govt in which you have to actually work WITH the other branches of govt; business owners already run too much in the US while paying little or no taxes
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Post by: Hongover on March 16, 2016, 15:15
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.

I have no pro or con for Trump.
But do you really believe that he will not be, him too, one of these "who promise things and never deliver"?
I am sure he will; all politicians are…

hard to deliver since he hasn't made any concrete promises other than everything will be great.  he's a demagogue playing to sexist, racist, nationalist and anti-immigrant feelings. 

even the republican party can't back him! 

meanwhile Obama has come thru on many of his promises:
-affordable care act giving health care to over 10 million more
-stimulus which pulled us out of Bush's recession
-steady jobs growth over 6 years
-an historic climate change agreement
-opening relations with Cuba
-fewer prisoners in Guantanamo (remainder are there because of republican congress' refusal to act)

as far as trump as a 'successful' business man - that's no where near the same as running a govt in which you have to actually work WITH the other branches of govt; business owners already run too much in the US while paying little or no taxes

I think Obama has been a great president. I give him credit for a correcting a lot of Bush's mistakes and doing a lot for this country. He will leave a nice legacy behind and his successor will have a lot to live up to.

I do disagree with one thing though. The steady job growth has less to do with the president and more to do with a few companies (Apple's App platform & Google's app platform) and a group of wealthy individuals (Angel investors and venture capitalist) investing in startup and post-startup companies that created millions of jobs around the country.

People can dislike Trump as much as they want, but no Republican candidate other than him has any chance against Hillary Clinton. Cruz is close to an extremist and so is Bernie Sanders. We're facing trillion dollar debts and neither guy would know how to handle it...in fact, they would probably greatly contribute to it. Trump is probably better at dealing with budgets than any candidate because of his business background. I'm sure he'll have his share of favorable deals, but feel better about him giving a few Billion away than wasting hundreds of billion on bad deals.

Trump is a good salesman. He's a great marketer. He's telling people what they want to hear and it's working for him. He's going to tone things down if he's in office, but what I do like is his willingness to walk away from deals that put the US in a lose-lose situation.
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Post by: sgoodwin4813 on March 16, 2016, 15:51
Behind all the rhetoric is a successful businessman who has ran a gigantic organization with a structure similar to a government.

Not even close - there is very little similarity to running a business versus government, the goals are completely different (i.e., making profits for owners versus not making a profit).

Trump is terrible at budgets and planning - his businesses declared bankruptcy four times in only 18 years due to unsustainable spending.  Thanks to the largesse of the courts he was able to walk away and reorganize.  If he bankrupts the US Government - which is exactly what will happen based on his economic proposals - he can't just forgive the debts, we taxpayers will be on the hook for the rest of our lives.  We still haven't paid off the huge debts accumulated under Reagan and Bush, a Trump budget would just be the final nail in the coffin.

Trump certainly has tapped into something and he is very good at telling people what they want to hear and pumping up a certain kind of crowd.  However, his speaking and writing are both at about a fourth-grade vocabulary level which is not encouraging.  He clearly suffers from - in fact is a textbook case according to many psychologists - narcissistic personality disorder, and very likely is a charismatic psychopath.  Not the kind of person I want to see in charge of anything, and definitely not any country with nuclear weapons.
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Post by: Pixart on March 16, 2016, 16:36
CBC posted this yesterday.  Can't imagine this donkey in power - but I have to admit it would be very entertaining.  Kinda like when Rob Ford was mayor of Toronto.  Fun to watch - from another Province/Country.

 http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/anti-donald-trump-ad-women-reading-sexist-trump-quotes-1.3492861 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/anti-donald-trump-ad-women-reading-sexist-trump-quotes-1.3492861)
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Post by: noodle on March 16, 2016, 16:39
Imagine all the sound bytes that we would get from Trump

Just when we thought it was all over when Bush and Quayle left  :)
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Post by: VB inc on March 16, 2016, 16:49
I don't understand the mentality. If people think the system is corrupt why vote in some super rich guy? Why not vote in someone that wants to reform the system like Bernie. Does the electorate think the solution is to only have super rich politicians from now on? And by the way rich doesn't mean incorruptible, they didn't get rich by not being greedy or knowing enough is enough.

People that vote Trump are the ones with lots of anger (mainly at other people). They do not have any sympathy for anyone except for themselves and their immediate family. They get his message as they have the same mentality as him. Basically the haters of the world. Surprising how many of them are out there. I just think this is another by product of nature. There will always be a certain amount of people like this no matter what. Otherwise, we wouldn't be so different.
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Post by: stockastic on March 16, 2016, 17:06
Anyone thinking Trump is actually "speaking his mind" will find themselves disappointed if he's elected.  There's only one thing on Trump's mind: Trump.
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Post by: YadaYadaYada on March 16, 2016, 18:03
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I really worry about some of the rhetoric coming out of Trump's mouth and the fact that he gets more support from saying it. Americans are pretty quick to deride communism, socialism etc but apparently very few have any understanding of what fascism is and why it is so dangerous (and seductive).
...

There are many of us who recognize fascist rhetoric when we see it. I just hope there are enough of us.

And some who recognize the Socialist and Communist leanings of Hillary, with her rich friends, dealings and just as bad as all the rest. She and her liberals want to tax and spend and give handouts for votes.

I'd vote for Bernie.
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Post by: Microstockphoto on March 16, 2016, 18:15
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In God We Trust that we will not get that nut case running the country, Hilary for me, basically because she is a decent woman. all politicians are crap but lets not go with the worst possible option since bush. Trump makes Bush look like Einstein.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 16, 2016, 18:18
Behind all the rhetoric is a successful businessman who has ran a gigantic organization with a structure similar to a government.

Not even close - there is very little similarity to running a business versus government, the goals are completely different (i.e., making profits for owners versus not making a profit).

Trump is terrible at budgets and planning - his businesses declared bankruptcy four times in only 18 years due to unsustainable spending.  Thanks to the largesse of the courts he was able to walk away and reorganize.  If he bankrupts the US Government - which is exactly what will happen based on his economic proposals - he can't just forgive the debts, we taxpayers will be on the hook for the rest of our lives.  We still haven't paid off the huge debts accumulated under Reagan and Bush, a Trump budget would just be the final nail in the coffin.

Trump certainly has tapped into something and he is very good at telling people what they want to hear and pumping up a certain kind of crowd.  However, his speaking and writing are both at about a fourth-grade vocabulary level which is not encouraging.  He clearly suffers from - in fact is a textbook case according to many psychologists - narcissistic personality disorder, and very likely is a charismatic psychopath.  Not the kind of person I want to see in charge of anything, and definitely not any country with nuclear weapons.

Well, he is in charge of the Trump organization and it's pretty well-run. Risk is something every businessman has to face in his lifetime and competition on is something everyone of us have to face in our lifetime. So a few of his ventures fell to competition and he used the system to help him. What intelligent person wouldn't if given the opportunity?

To make it as far as he has in this election is no accident. Not even Michael Bloomberg, someone I hold in high regard was able to accomplish this. Trump is good at what he does and this primary showed me that can get good at anything he put his mind to.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Microstockphoto on March 16, 2016, 18:28
Mincer, running a business and being a salesman is not really a good resume to run a country that if it were a person could be described as a schizophrenic borderline trigger happy maniac with a nuclear weapon trying to feed 319 million people
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 16, 2016, 18:29
Minscer, Trump lies the most of all candidates [url]http://2016-presidential-candidates-fact-check.silk.co/[/url] ([url]http://2016-presidential-candidates-fact-check.silk.co/[/url])

In God We Trust that we will not get that nut case running the country, Hilary for me, basically because she is a decent woman. all politicians are crap but lets not go with the worst possible option since bush. Trump makes Bush look like Einstein.


I would say that Trump uses a lot of hyperbole. There are lies like Bush getting into a trillion dollar war and there are lies like Trump claiming his book is a bestseller. And his claim about true employment numbers being closer to 18-20% isn't that far from the truth.

Let's not talk about Bush. He has caused more damaged to this country than any recent president in memory. Trump is not even close to as dumb as Bush.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Microstockphoto on March 16, 2016, 18:33
a lie is a lie and he tells most lies, what is preventing him to lie about basically anything when he runs office? he is a compulsive liar, but because he has a few popular sound bites that appeal to the angry racist mob, he gets votes in. worst thing that can ever happen to our country is to have Trump in charge of it.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 16, 2016, 18:38
Mincer, running a business and being a salesman is not really a good resume to run a country that if it were a person could be described as a schizophrenic borderline trigger happy maniac with a nuclear weapon trying to feed 319 million people

I actually fear Cruz being on the trigger than Trump. Cruz is the type of crackpot that would start a religious war and cause social unrest. Trump maybe be slightly hotheaded, but he's not an extremist.

If North Korea aims a nuclear weapon at Manhattan, I wouldn't complain if Trump nukes it first.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: KnowYourOnions on March 16, 2016, 18:39
I don't understand the mentality. If people think the system is corrupt why vote in some super rich guy? Why not vote in someone that wants to reform the system like Bernie. Does the electorate think the solution is to only have super rich politicians from now on? And by the way rich doesn't mean incorruptible, they didn't get rich by not being greedy or knowing enough is enough.


Most Americans trust successful business leaders far more than they trust politicians.

Bernie hasn't a chance, Hillary was anointed by the Dems a long time ago. The only thing that would keep her out is a trip to prison.


Simply NOT true! After last night Hillary only increased her delegate lead by 57, leaving Sanders plenty of room to eliminate her advantage in the 24 remaining states. A candidate needs 2,383 delegates to clinch the Democratic nomination, and as of March 16, Clinton only has 1,139 delegates to Sanders’ 825. All of the states most favorable to Clinton have already voted, and the states most favorable to Sanders are still on the calendar.

Feel the Bern!  8)

http://artists4bernie.com/2016/01/16/bernie-so-punk-by-abcnt/ (http://artists4bernie.com/2016/01/16/bernie-so-punk-by-abcnt/)

It's not over till it's over!
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sharpshot on March 16, 2016, 18:50
Minscer, Trump lies the most of all candidates [url]http://2016-presidential-candidates-fact-check.silk.co/[/url] ([url]http://2016-presidential-candidates-fact-check.silk.co/[/url])

In God We Trust that we will not get that nut case running the country, Hilary for me, basically because she is a decent woman. all politicians are crap but lets not go with the worst possible option since bush. Trump makes Bush look like Einstein.


I would say that Trump uses a lot of hyperbole. There are lies like Bush getting into a trillion dollar war and there are lies like Trump claiming his book is a bestseller. And his claim about true employment numbers being closer to 18-20% isn't that far from the truth.

Let's not talk about Bush. He has caused more damaged to this country than any recent president in memory. Trump is not even close to as dumb as Bush.
I think its dumb to move so far to the right in the republican nominations that he will lose the middle ground.  I also think its dumb to be headline news for making outlandish comments when that gets broadcast to the rest of the world.  If he gets in to power, the US could be in another financial crisis because those crazy comments make him look like a big risk.  The comments about women could lose him the election, or the comments about Putin.  Beating some lame candidates for the republican nomination doesn't mean much if he has ruined his chance of becoming president in the process.  If Trump has an IQ higher than Bush, he is sure doing a great job of hiding it.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 16, 2016, 18:54
I don't understand the mentality. If people think the system is corrupt why vote in some super rich guy? Why not vote in someone that wants to reform the system like Bernie. Does the electorate think the solution is to only have super rich politicians from now on? And by the way rich doesn't mean incorruptible, they didn't get rich by not being greedy or knowing enough is enough.


Most Americans trust successful business leaders far more than they trust politicians.

Bernie hasn't a chance, Hillary was anointed by the Dems a long time ago. The only thing that would keep her out is a trip to prison.


Simply NOT true! After last night Hillary only increased her delegate lead by 57, leaving Sanders plenty of room to eliminate her advantage in the 24 remaining states. A candidate needs 2,383 delegates to clinch the Democratic nomination, and as of March 16, Clinton only has 1,139 delegates to Sanders’ 825. All of the states most favorable to Clinton have already voted, and the states most favorable to Sanders are still on the calendar.

Feel the Bern!  8)

[url]http://artists4bernie.com/2016/01/16/bernie-so-punk-by-abcnt/[/url] ([url]http://artists4bernie.com/2016/01/16/bernie-so-punk-by-abcnt/[/url])

It's not over till it's over!


This I agree with. Bernie Sanders is gaining momentum. Hillary's super-delegate advantage is being chipped away by Bernie's persistence. There are some really big states could still go either way and those will decide the outcome of the democratic primary.

If bad news continue to pour in regarding her private email server, that lead will continue to deteriorate. Sanders would actually be a better opponent against Trump. Hillary would get hammered badly by trump on the topic of private emails alone.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 16, 2016, 19:03
Minscer, Trump lies the most of all candidates [url]http://2016-presidential-candidates-fact-check.silk.co/[/url] ([url]http://2016-presidential-candidates-fact-check.silk.co/[/url])

In God We Trust that we will not get that nut case running the country, Hilary for me, basically because she is a decent woman. all politicians are crap but lets not go with the worst possible option since bush. Trump makes Bush look like Einstein.


I would say that Trump uses a lot of hyperbole. There are lies like Bush getting into a trillion dollar war and there are lies like Trump claiming his book is a bestseller. And his claim about true employment numbers being closer to 18-20% isn't that far from the truth.

Let's not talk about Bush. He has caused more damaged to this country than any recent president in memory. Trump is not even close to as dumb as Bush.
I think its dumb to move so far to the right in the republican nominations that he will lose the middle ground.  I also think its dumb to be headline news for making outlandish comments when that gets broadcast to the rest of the world.  If he gets in to power, the US could be in another financial crisis because those crazy comments make him look like a big risk.  The comments about women could lose him the election, or the comments about Putin.  Beating some lame candidates for the republican nomination doesn't mean much if he has ruined his chance of becoming president in the process.  If Trump has an IQ higher than Bush, he is sure doing a great job of hiding it.


The country is already showing small signs of falling into a crisis. Layoffs (Living Social, Doordash, Optimizely) has intensified recently and a number of companies have folded (SpoonRocket). VC funding of tech companies has fallen and it's causing a small panic in the tech arena. If this continues, I wouldn't blame it on the next president.

The media, like the GOP is trying to stop Trump. Rupert Murdock, head of News Corp, who I used to work for, is only running negative headlines on Trump. They have been doing it since late last year once they realized that Trump has a chance. Based on what I've seen of Trump, he's leagues above Bush, who is as dumb as a president can get.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sharpshot on March 16, 2016, 19:30
The media don't really have to do anything, the quotes straight from Trumps mouth do all the damage.  I think he is regarded as more of a joke than Bush in the UK.  I never thought there would be a US presidential candidate that appeared to be worse than Bush but Trump has managed it.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: etudiante_rapide on March 16, 2016, 20:00
to me, a non="american" (ie mexico, usa, cda)...
bill gates is the best person to be president.
he knows what it's like to be a person who works to be great at what he does.
he has track record of philantropy
he can reduce cost by firing all the corrupted politicians
he can run USA with robots

he is already ruling the world with his compute;
why not his own country???
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: stockastic on March 16, 2016, 20:40
I'd vote for Gates in a nanosecond - he knows what's really happening in the world, and how things might actually be improved.   
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: PixelBytes on March 16, 2016, 21:48
Gates is not stupid enough to run for POTUS.  But if he did, I  sure hope he wouldn't botch things up like he did with Windows 8.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sooner_foto on March 16, 2016, 22:11
Trumps newest twist is he is moving from promoting violence at his rallies to threatening to unleash riots on the streets of America if he doesn't get the nomination. 

This is how he operates.  His way or else.

I'm surprised he hasn't promised to make the trains run on time.
.....


http://www.salon.com/2016/03/15/its_already_happening_here_donald_trump_and_americas_creeping_fascism_partner/ (http://www.salon.com/2016/03/15/its_already_happening_here_donald_trump_and_americas_creeping_fascism_partner/)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: asiseeit on March 16, 2016, 22:51
Most Americans trust successful business leaders far more than they trust politicians.

Bernie hasn't a chance, Hillary was anointed by the Dems a long time ago. The only thing that would keep her out is a trip to prison.


Simply NOT true! After last night Hillary only increased her delegate lead by 57, leaving Sanders plenty of room to eliminate her advantage in the 24 remaining states. A candidate needs 2,383 delegates to clinch the Democratic nomination, and as of March 16, Clinton only has 1,139 delegates to Sanders’ 825. All of the states most favorable to Clinton have already voted, and the states most favorable to Sanders are still on the calendar.

Feel the Bern!  8)

[url]http://artists4bernie.com/2016/01/16/bernie-so-punk-by-abcnt/[/url] ([url]http://artists4bernie.com/2016/01/16/bernie-so-punk-by-abcnt/[/url])

It's not over till it's over!


You must be getting your facts from a Bernie email. The count is 1,606 Hillary to 851 Bernie. She only needs 776 (33% of the rest) more to clinch it.

http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/delegate-count-tracker (http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/delegate-count-tracker)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_delegate_count.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_delegate_count.html)

I don't like either of them fyi, so I have no dog in that hunt.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 16, 2016, 23:16
Trumps newest twist is he is moving from promoting violence at his rallies to threatening to unleash riots on the streets of America if he doesn't get the nomination.

I believe his remark was made in response to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Vv4kRTPLI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Vv4kRTPLI)

Curly Haugland wanted to make a mockery of the democratic process by saying "We choose the nominee, not the voters", and Trump wasn't going to have any of it.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: VB inc on March 16, 2016, 23:20
Mincer, running a business and being a salesman is not really a good resume to run a country that if it were a person could be described as a schizophrenic borderline trigger happy maniac with a nuclear weapon trying to feed 319 million people

I actually fear Cruz being on the trigger than Trump. Cruz is the type of crackpot that would start a religious war and cause social unrest. Trump maybe be slightly hotheaded, but he's not an extremist.

If North Korea aims a nuclear weapon at Manhattan, I wouldn't complain if Trump nukes it first.

So your ok with killing 10s of thousands of your own troops thats on the border of N korea as well as the south korean population?
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: KnowYourOnions on March 17, 2016, 01:40
Most Americans trust successful business leaders far more than they trust politicians.

Bernie hasn't a chance, Hillary was anointed by the Dems a long time ago. The only thing that would keep her out is a trip to prison.


Simply NOT true! After last night Hillary only increased her delegate lead by 57, leaving Sanders plenty of room to eliminate her advantage in the 24 remaining states. A candidate needs 2,383 delegates to clinch the Democratic nomination, and as of March 16, Clinton only has 1,139 delegates to Sanders’ 825. All of the states most favorable to Clinton have already voted, and the states most favorable to Sanders are still on the calendar.

Feel the Bern!  8)

[url]http://artists4bernie.com/2016/01/16/bernie-so-punk-by-abcnt/[/url] ([url]http://artists4bernie.com/2016/01/16/bernie-so-punk-by-abcnt/[/url])

It's not over till it's over!


You must be getting your facts from a Bernie email. The count is 1,606 Hillary to 851 Bernie. She only needs 776 (33% of the rest) more to clinch it.

[url]http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/delegate-count-tracker[/url] ([url]http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/delegate-count-tracker[/url])
[url]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_delegate_count.html[/url] ([url]http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_delegate_count.html[/url])

I don't like either of them fyi, so I have no dog in that hunt.


Stop misinforming people! Let the facts speak! >:(
Your math included superdelegates, which is wrong because they can change their votes!!!!  ::)

2,383 to win nomination
Hillary Clinton
1,139
Bernie Sanders
825

Superdelegates Clinton 467, Sanders 26
Superdelegates are democratic party leaders who are free to support any candidate. The majority of the 712 superdelegates have declared support for Mrs. Clinton, though they could switch candidates if she were to lose the lead in pledged delegates, which are awarded based on election results.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/primary-calendar-and-results.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/primary-calendar-and-results.html?_r=0)

Who knows what will happen over the next two months. Hillary Clinton's support could completely collapse and Sanders could easily roll up huge margins in every state. Possible.
All of the states most favorable to Clinton have already voted, and the states most favorable to Sanders are still on the calendar.

It's not over till it's over!
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 17, 2016, 01:42
Mincer, running a business and being a salesman is not really a good resume to run a country that if it were a person could be described as a schizophrenic borderline trigger happy maniac with a nuclear weapon trying to feed 319 million people

I actually fear Cruz being on the trigger than Trump. Cruz is the type of crackpot that would start a religious war and cause social unrest. Trump maybe be slightly hotheaded, but he's not an extremist.

If North Korea aims a nuclear weapon at Manhattan, I wouldn't complain if Trump nukes it first.

So your ok with killing 10s of thousands of your own troops thats on the border of N korea as well as the south korean population?

Don't take it too literally. If NK has the capability, an ICBM missile defense system will be deployed in Asia as well as Hawaii. The missile may not be able to reach Manhattan. If they have first strike capability and it's DEFCON5 and there was no way to stop it from reaching Manhattan, then yes, surgically nuke them first before they launch theirs.

Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on March 17, 2016, 09:25
Don't take it too literally. If NK has the capability, an ICBM missile defense system will be deployed in Asia as well as Hawaii. The missile may not be able to reach Manhattan. If they have first strike capability and it's DEFCON5 and there was no way to stop it from reaching Manhattan, then yes, surgically nuke them first before they launch theirs.

It's very sad and scary to be casually talking about this as a possible future.  Kim has the same psychological profile as Trump - a narcissistic psychopath - except that with absolute control over his country he is even more dangerous.  They both have serious hair issues as well, although I don't know anything about the size of Kim's hands.  Hopefully the electorate in the US can deal with the threat of Trump.  I just hope the North Korean military will take care of the Kim problem so it doesn't come to anything else.  They must realize that nutcase could have them executed on a whim, hopefully one of them will take action just as some of Hitler's officers tried to assassinate him once they realized he was taking them all down.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Nikovsk on March 17, 2016, 11:11
Obama hates Trump.
The GOP hates Trump.
Marxist pope hates Trump.
George Soros hates Trump.
Goldman Sachs hates Trump.
Mainstream media hates Trump.

With enemies like this... how bad can he really be? The establishment will do everything they can to stop him. Most likely the GOP will steal his nomination and if he still manages to win as independent he will end up like JFK. Nobody can mess with the one party system disguised as a two party system.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on March 17, 2016, 11:23
Obama hates Trump.
The GOP hates Trump.
Marxist pope hates Trump.
George Soros hates Trump.
Goldman Sachs hates Trump.
Mainstream media hates Trump.

With enemies like this... how bad can he really be? The establishment will do everything they can to stop him. Most likely the GOP will steal his nomination and if he still manages to win as independent he will end up like JFK. Nobody can mess with the one party system disguised as a two party system.

I'm sure you missed a few - a lot more hate him than that!  Of course it isn't him so much as his policies and what he says that are the problem.

Statistically speaking, the only people who love him are poorly educated, underemployed, angry white guys.  Oh, and Vladimir Putin.  Trump is about as bad as you can get, other than Kim Jong-un, of course (who also has endorsed Trump, BTW).
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sooner_foto on March 17, 2016, 12:14
"Donald Trump would lose handily to Hillary Clinton in a general election for one key reason, former Bush 43 aide Tony Fratto said Thursday.

"In the very best of years, when you have a unified GOP, Republicans have an electoral disadvantage relative to the Democratic candidate; that's pretty clear," Fratto told CNBC's "Squawk Box."
"Trump is not going to bring unity to the party. If it's a contested convention, and it's someone else, that's not going to resolve unity either. So, [with] a divided GOP and a fairly unified Democratic candidate, I don't think this is a hard question," said Fratto, the former deputy White House press secretary and now managing director at consulting firm Hamilton Place Strategies."
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/17/strategist-clintontrump-race-wouldnt-even-be-close.html (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/17/strategist-clintontrump-race-wouldnt-even-be-close.html)

As far as Bernie is concerned. He's proven that he can't connect with minorities.  A guy from one of the whitest most rural states in the country just doesn't resonate with urban voters.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Zero Talent on March 17, 2016, 12:32
Obama hates Trump.
The GOP hates Trump.
Marxist pope hates Trump.
George Soros hates Trump.
Goldman Sachs hates Trump.
Mainstream media hates Trump.

With enemies like this... how bad can he really be? The establishment will do everything they can to stop him. Most likely the GOP will steal his nomination and if he still manages to win as independent he will end up like JFK. Nobody can mess with the one party system disguised as a two party system.

Just replace Trump with Hitler in your nice little poem. All your statements will still be true, but you'll realize how wrong you are. Unless you admire both (+Putin, of course)

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Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sharpshot on March 17, 2016, 12:37
The kids see how wrong Trump is for president.
https://youtu.be/D0ZTKaMcqCM
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Tryingmybest on March 17, 2016, 14:06
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.

The rich gambling hustler who inherited wealth and bullied his way through life is not the honest deliverer of promises you believe him to be. He may not be a bribed politician because he is the one bribing them. He cares nothing for Jesus, the Constitution nor poor people. He has always put wealth as the marker of success and will only help his rich friends get richer. He cares nothing for you and probably would mock you as a microstock photographer.

Meanwhile, he tricks you into believing that Mexicans, Muslims and young Black Americans tired of being treated like beasts are the cause of your problems.

He threatens people in America and worldwide with violence and war, but probably cannot shoot a gun or take down an attacker without paid bodyguards. He says he is tough, but he cancelled his speech in Chicago because he was afraid. He is a bully and all bullies are weak. I grew up being bullied and I always fought them. He sounds like them and he acts like them. He has no honor and hides his white supremacist ideals and history with the KKK behind the guise of "not being tied to political correctness."

He is the worst option and the only shot in the arm you presume he is, will be from the bullets of riots and civil war he threatens upon the Americans. He makes immigrant and Muslim children in this country fear for their safety as parents of other children cheer USA! USA! as a he mocks them. If you were an immigrant or Muslim, you would understand. In fact, after he foments the riots and civil war, you will have no nation left. He and the Republicans not only want riots, but they want to destroy the government. You will then emigrate to other countries and be rejected like you reject them. Most likely, you will flee to Norway, Sweden, Denmark or another country with universal healthcare and pensions (which Republicans hate). You might even be so bold to discriminate against native born Black and brown skinned Swedes in your new refugee camp.

Nevertheless, if you and all the other worshipers of this false god get your way, I hope that a Black Muslim doctor and a Mexican immigrant nurse attend to your wounds for the chaos that will envelope this nation because this man's arrogance.  >:(

May God save us all from this madness.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Zero Talent on March 17, 2016, 14:14
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.


The rich gambling hustler who inherited wealth and bullied his way through life is not the honest deliverer of promises you believe him to be. He may not be a bribed politician because he is the one bribing them. He cares nothing for Jesus, the Constitution nor poor people. He has always put wealth as the marker of success and will only help his rich friends get richer. He cares nothing for you and probably would mock you as a microstock photographer.

Meanwhile, he tricks you into believing that Mexicans, Muslims and young Black Americans tired of being treated like beasts are the cause of your problems.

He threatens people in America and worldwide with violence and war, but probably cannot shoot a gun or take down an attacker without paid bodyguards. He says he is tough, but he cancelled his speech in Chicago because he was afraid. He is a bully and all bullies are weak. I grew up being bullied and I always fought them. He sounds like them and he acts like them. He has no honor and hides his white supremacist ideals and history with the KKK behind the guise of "not being tied to political correctness."

He is the worst option and the only shot in the arm you presume he is, will be from the bullets of riots and civil war he threatens upon the Americans. He makes immigrant and Muslim children in this country fear for their safety as parents of other children cheer USA! USA! as a he mocks them. If you were an immigrant or Muslim, you would understand. In fact, after he foments the riots and civil war, you will have no nation left. He and the Republicans not only want riots, but they want to destroy the government. You will then emigrate to other countries and be rejected like you reject them. Most likely, you will flee to Norway, Sweden, Denmark or another country with universal healthcare and pensions (which Republicans hate). You might even be so bold to discriminate against native born Black and brown skinned Swedes in your new refugee camp.

Nevertheless, if you and all the other worshipers of this false god get your way, I hope that a Black Muslim doctor and a Mexican immigrant nurse attend to your wounds for the chaos that will envelope this nation because this man's arrogance.  >:(

May God save us all from this madness.


All that + "Don't forget, Donald Trump wants to bang his daughter"  ;D

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/73fxht/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-don-t-forget--donald-trump-wants-to-bang-his-daughter (http://www.cc.com/video-clips/73fxht/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-don-t-forget--donald-trump-wants-to-bang-his-daughter)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: PixelBytes on March 17, 2016, 14:18
Anyone that thinks Trump is a plain speaker and an honest guy, rather than a fraud and huckster should Google Trump University. 

And if you think he will bring jobs and higher pay to the US, you should know that many of his products, including Ivanka's fashion line, are made in China.  Plus he has said he thinks wages in the US are too high.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Zero Talent on March 17, 2016, 14:33
Anyone that thinks Trump is a plain speaker and an honest guy, rather than a fraud and huckster should Google Trump University. 

And if you think he will bring jobs and higher pay to the US, you should know that many of his products, including Ivanka's fashion line, are made in China.  Plus he has said he thinks wages in the US are too high.

From this point of view both Trump and Sanders are wrong.
Free trade is key to progress and economical growth, but both candidates are against it, because they claim it leads to US job losses.

This is a fallacy.

Yes, it might lead to job losses in inefficient domains. But once China put their hands on dollars paid by Ivanka for her fashion line, they have to spend them somehow (unless they want to burn them in a big green fire)
These dollars will end-up being spent, directly or indirectly, on US goods, in areas where US is really competitive, which will create jobs in those domains, more jobs and better paid jobs than the jobs "lost" to China, in the first place.

In simple terms: even when a lawyer is slightly better than his secretary at typing letters, he is better off when he has his secretary doing this job, because he has more time to focus on what he is really good at: being a lawyer.

A self proclaimed specialist in "great deals" should understand these simple economics. A great deal is a win-win deal.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Shelma1 on March 17, 2016, 14:35
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.

The rich gambling hustler who inherited wealth and bullied his way through life is not the honest deliverer of promises you believe him to be. He may not be a bribed politician because he is the one bribing them. He cares nothing for Jesus, the Constitution nor poor people. He has always put wealth as the marker of success and will only help his rich friends get richer. He cares nothing for you and probably would mock you as a microstock photographer.

Meanwhile, he tricks you into believing that Mexicans, Muslims and young Black Americans tired of being treated like beasts are the cause of your problems.

He threatens people in America and worldwide with violence and war, but probably cannot shoot a gun or take down an attacker without paid bodyguards. He says he is tough, but he cancelled his speech in Chicago because he was afraid. He is a bully and all bullies are weak. I grew up being bullied and I always fought them. He sounds like them and he acts like them. He has no honor and hides his white supremacist ideals and history with the KKK behind the guise of "not being tied to political correctness."

He is the worst option and the only shot in the arm you presume he is, will be from the bullets of riots and civil war he threatens upon the Americans. He makes immigrant and Muslim children in this country fear for their safety as parents of other children cheer USA! USA! as a he mocks them. If you were an immigrant or Muslim, you would understand. In fact, after he foments the riots and civil war, you will have no nation left. He and the Republicans not only want riots, but they want to destroy the government. You will then emigrate to other countries and be rejected like you reject them. Most likely, you will flee to Norway, Sweden, Denmark or another country with universal healthcare and pensions (which Republicans hate). You might even be so bold to discriminate against native born Black and brown skinned Swedes in your new refugee camp.

Nevertheless, if you and all the other worshipers of this false god get your way, I hope that a Black Muslim doctor and a Mexican immigrant nurse attend to your wounds for the chaos that will envelope this nation because this man's arrogance.  >:(

May God save us all from this madness.

I doubt there'd be much of a civil war, but we all know how the last one turned out. That's what makes the losers so angry that they're willing to vote for a demagogue oompa loompa.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 17, 2016, 14:41
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.


The rich gambling hustler who inherited wealth and bullied his way through life is not the honest deliverer of promises you believe him to be. He may not be a bribed politician because he is the one bribing them. He cares nothing for Jesus, the Constitution nor poor people. He has always put wealth as the marker of success and will only help his rich friends get richer. He cares nothing for you and probably would mock you as a microstock photographer.

Meanwhile, he tricks you into believing that Mexicans, Muslims and young Black Americans tired of being treated like beasts are the cause of your problems.

He threatens people in America and worldwide with violence and war, but probably cannot shoot a gun or take down an attacker without paid bodyguards. He says he is tough, but he cancelled his speech in Chicago because he was afraid. He is a bully and all bullies are weak. I grew up being bullied and I always fought them. He sounds like them and he acts like them. He has no honor and hides his white supremacist ideals and history with the KKK behind the guise of "not being tied to political correctness."

He is the worst option and the only shot in the arm you presume he is, will be from the bullets of riots and civil war he threatens upon the Americans. He makes immigrant and Muslim children in this country fear for their safety as parents of other children cheer USA! USA! as a he mocks them. If you were an immigrant or Muslim, you would understand. In fact, after he foments the riots and civil war, you will have no nation left. He and the Republicans not only want riots, but they want to destroy the government. You will then emigrate to other countries and be rejected like you reject them. Most likely, you will flee to Norway, Sweden, Denmark or another country with universal healthcare and pensions (which Republicans hate). You might even be so bold to discriminate against native born Black and brown skinned Swedes in your new refugee camp.

Nevertheless, if you and all the other worshipers of this false god get your way, I hope that a Black Muslim doctor and a Mexican immigrant nurse attend to your wounds for the chaos that will envelope this nation because this man's arrogance.  >:(

May God save us all from this madness.


All that + "Don't forget, Donald Trump wants to bang his daughter"  ;D

[url]http://www.cc.com/video-clips/73fxht/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-don-t-forget--donald-trump-wants-to-bang-his-daughter[/url] ([url]http://www.cc.com/video-clips/73fxht/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-don-t-forget--donald-trump-wants-to-bang-his-daughter[/url])


With a daughter like that, how can any father named Trump resist?
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 17, 2016, 14:45
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.

The rich gambling hustler who inherited wealth and bullied his way through life is not the honest deliverer of promises you believe him to be. He may not be a bribed politician because he is the one bribing them. He cares nothing for Jesus, the Constitution nor poor people. He has always put wealth as the marker of success and will only help his rich friends get richer. He cares nothing for you and probably would mock you as a microstock photographer.

Meanwhile, he tricks you into believing that Mexicans, Muslims and young Black Americans tired of being treated like beasts are the cause of your problems.

He threatens people in America and worldwide with violence and war, but probably cannot shoot a gun or take down an attacker without paid bodyguards. He says he is tough, but he cancelled his speech in Chicago because he was afraid. He is a bully and all bullies are weak. I grew up being bullied and I always fought them. He sounds like them and he acts like them. He has no honor and hides his white supremacist ideals and history with the KKK behind the guise of "not being tied to political correctness."

He is the worst option and the only shot in the arm you presume he is, will be from the bullets of riots and civil war he threatens upon the Americans. He makes immigrant and Muslim children in this country fear for their safety as parents of other children cheer USA! USA! as a he mocks them. If you were an immigrant or Muslim, you would understand. In fact, after he foments the riots and civil war, you will have no nation left. He and the Republicans not only want riots, but they want to destroy the government. You will then emigrate to other countries and be rejected like you reject them. Most likely, you will flee to Norway, Sweden, Denmark or another country with universal healthcare and pensions (which Republicans hate). You might even be so bold to discriminate against native born Black and brown skinned Swedes in your new refugee camp.

Nevertheless, if you and all the other worshipers of this false god get your way, I hope that a Black Muslim doctor and a Mexican immigrant nurse attend to your wounds for the chaos that will envelope this nation because this man's arrogance.  >:(

May God save us all from this madness.

That whole message is very Trump-like. But I believe you're a much more reasonable man in real life, just like Trump is when he's away from the cameras.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on March 17, 2016, 15:10
How can you possibly say an elegantly and intelligently written statement is Trump-like?  Trump wouldn't understand half of the words in there much less their meaning.  Trump likes Twitter because 140 characters is about the limit of his thinking capacity.  Trump writes and speaks like a fourth grader - he doesn't come close to the way Tryingmybest writes.

(Full disclosure - I have no idea who Tryingmybest is other than what they write in these forums)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: cascoly on March 17, 2016, 15:10
  Simply NOT true! After last night Hillary only increased her delegate lead by 57, leaving Sanders plenty of room to eliminate her advantage in the 24 remaining states. A candidate needs 2,383 delegates to clinch the Democratic nomination, and as of March 16, Clinton only has 1,139 delegates to Sanders’ 825. All of the states most favorable to Clinton have already voted, and the states most favorable to Sanders are still on the calendar.

Feel the Bern!  8)

[url]http://artists4bernie.com/2016/01/16/bernie-so-punk-by-abcnt/[/url] ([url]http://artists4bernie.com/2016/01/16/bernie-so-punk-by-abcnt/[/url])

  It's not over till it's over!





While Sanders comes closest to my own views as any candidate I've ever had the chance to vote for, he's got a STEEP hill to climb -- he hasn't done well enough in any of his wins to close the gap, while Hillary has won larger % -- he'll need to win by 60% or more in western states just to keep it close; a win by 2-5% won't do it

after 3/15 Hillary is 100 delegates ahead of what she needs while Bernie dropped farther behind to 150 under his 'targets'

pundits keep talking about momentum and expectations (how far did that carry Rubio?!)   538 does an excellent job of outlining and analyzing the races:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/ (http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 17, 2016, 15:35
How can you possibly say an elegantly and intelligently written statement is Trump-like?  Trump wouldn't understand half of the words in there much less their meaning.  Trump likes Twitter because 140 characters is about the limit of his thinking capacity.  Trump writes and speaks like a fourth grader - he doesn't come close to the way Tryingmybest writes.

(Full disclosure - I have no idea who Tryingmybest is other than what they write in these forums)

Well-written? Yes. It's also full of hyperbole, something Trump is very good at.

I don't see your point for continuing to compare him to a 4th grader. Exaggeration doesn't make the argument stronger...it has the opposite effect. He has come this far without the backing of the GOP, the media and pretty much every important organization out there, so he must be doing something right. And if you look at past the the surface, he has done a lot of things right.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on March 17, 2016, 16:16
How can you possibly say an elegantly and intelligently written statement is Trump-like?  Trump wouldn't understand half of the words in there much less their meaning.  Trump likes Twitter because 140 characters is about the limit of his thinking capacity.  Trump writes and speaks like a fourth grader - he doesn't come close to the way Tryingmybest writes.

(Full disclosure - I have no idea who Tryingmybest is other than what they write in these forums)

Well-written? Yes. It's also full of hyperbole, something Trump is very good at.

I don't see your point for continuing to compare him to a 4th grader. Exaggeration doesn't make the argument stronger...it has the opposite effect. He has come this far without the backing of the GOP, the media and pretty much every important organization out there, so he must be doing something right. And if you look at past the the surface, he has done a lot of things right.

It certainly isn't exaggeration.  He speaks like an elementary school child.  Everything is either "tremendous" or involves "winning" or it's "awful" and "losing".  He has no vocabulary that I've seen, aside from those simple words, and playground insults at others.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: cobalt on March 17, 2016, 16:33
He is great entertainment to watch, but certainly is doing all he can to discredit the USA. China and many other places can now tell their population - see Donald Trump? That is democracy!!

He does know how to connect online and on TV. I do get the "not part of the establishment" thing.

But he sees the presidency as the one challenge left for him, what else is there for him to do? And he is hardly spending any money on it, compared to all the others.

It is a masterful marketing achievement.

He would be a complete disaster, I thought Palin was bad, this is just unreal.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on March 17, 2016, 16:34
Palin aspires to talk like a 4th grader, lol.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Shelma1 on March 17, 2016, 16:34
How can you possibly say an elegantly and intelligently written statement is Trump-like?  Trump wouldn't understand half of the words in there much less their meaning.  Trump likes Twitter because 140 characters is about the limit of his thinking capacity.  Trump writes and speaks like a fourth grader - he doesn't come close to the way Tryingmybest writes.

(Full disclosure - I have no idea who Tryingmybest is other than what they write in these forums)

Well-written? Yes. It's also full of hyperbole, something Trump is very good at.

I don't see your point for continuing to compare him to a 4th grader. Exaggeration doesn't make the argument stronger...it has the opposite effect. He has come this far without the backing of the GOP, the media and pretty much every important organization out there, so he must be doing something right. And if you look at past the the surface, he has done a lot of things right.

So then every murderous maniac who's risen to power must have been doing something right. Right?
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: r2d2 on March 17, 2016, 16:37

He would be a complete disaster, I thought Palin was bad, this is just unreal.

Amerika ist wunderbar. Coca cola wonderbra...
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: cascoly on March 17, 2016, 16:38

.....It certainly isn't exaggeration.  He speaks like an elementary school child.  Everything is either "tremendous" or involves "winning" or it's "awful" and "losing".  He has no vocabulary that I've seen, aside from those simple words, and playground insults at others.

there's some confusion since these statements seem to refer to an analysis of trump's speeches showing a 4th grade READING level, while Cruz's are several  grades higher

these are based a standard test using # of syllables and sentence length & complexity, with no reflection on actual content -- Hemingway wrote at a 4th grade level, and most fiction is at grade 9 or less (including David Foster Wallace!)

"Cormac McCarthy, Jane Austen, and Hunter S. Thompson join J.K. Rowling in the readability realm of pre-teens. The content of McCarthy’s and Thompson’s novels isn’t meant for children, but these writers’ comprehensibility is rather universal."
---  https://contently.com/strategist/2015/01/28/this-surprising-reading-level-analysis-will-change-the-way-you-write/
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 17, 2016, 17:08
How can you possibly say an elegantly and intelligently written statement is Trump-like?  Trump wouldn't understand half of the words in there much less their meaning.  Trump likes Twitter because 140 characters is about the limit of his thinking capacity.  Trump writes and speaks like a fourth grader - he doesn't come close to the way Tryingmybest writes.

(Full disclosure - I have no idea who Tryingmybest is other than what they write in these forums)

Well-written? Yes. It's also full of hyperbole, something Trump is very good at.

I don't see your point for continuing to compare him to a 4th grader. Exaggeration doesn't make the argument stronger...it has the opposite effect. He has come this far without the backing of the GOP, the media and pretty much every important organization out there, so he must be doing something right. And if you look at past the the surface, he has done a lot of things right.

It certainly isn't exaggeration.  He speaks like an elementary school child.  Everything is either "tremendous" or involves "winning" or it's "awful" and "losing".  He has no vocabulary that I've seen, aside from those simple words, and playground insults at others.

And based on the same "study", the other candidates were not much better. Hillary was was middle school level, as well as many other candidates. Sanders barely made it to 10th grade on the same scale. Based on that same scale, we're all probably around middle school as well.

So yes, it's an exaggeration that's based on a comparison to written text as opposed to everyday speech. Just because someone published this report doesn't make it factual. Trump no doubt has read numerous contracts that are beyond college level and he probably understands them better than any of us do.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on March 17, 2016, 17:21
I didn't purport to classify his reading level.  We're talking about his almost embarrassing "speechifying" (as Bush would say).
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 17, 2016, 17:38
I didn't purport to classify his reading level.  We're talking about his almost embarrassing "speechifying" (as Bush would say).

I see that as his marketing persona. I'm sure he is very aware of that as well. It's his way of connecting with people and it's working for him.

Trump is anything but dumb. Watch this interview from 25 years ago and he's the same guy, though he's a bit less angry and more articulate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbzTyhIv2B8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbzTyhIv2B8)

This is a man who loves his country, maybe too much. People claimed that he his sexist, but in the interview, he acknowledged the possibility of a female president.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: robhainer on March 17, 2016, 18:18
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.

I have no pro or con for Trump.
But do you really believe that he will not be, him too, one of these "who promise things and never deliver"?
I am sure he will; all politicians are…

hard to deliver since he hasn't made any concrete promises other than everything will be great.  he's a demagogue playing to sexist, racist, nationalist and anti-immigrant feelings. 

even the republican party can't back him! 

meanwhile Obama has come thru on many of his promises:
-affordable care act giving health care to over 10 million more
-stimulus which pulled us out of Bush's recession
-steady jobs growth over 6 years
-an historic climate change agreement
-opening relations with Cuba
-fewer prisoners in Guantanamo (remainder are there because of republican congress' refusal to act)

as far as trump as a 'successful' business man - that's no where near the same as running a govt in which you have to actually work WITH the other branches of govt; business owners already run too much in the US while paying little or no taxes

"Affordable" health care. Not. It's more expensive and covers less. I went to a cardiologist. He ordered three tests for me. I didn't do them because the crappy Obamacare insurance won't pay a penny for them, and I have the best plan you can get out of the batch. The other insurance plans wouldn't have even covered the doctor's visit. Those 10 million people you mention may have health insurance, but they don't have health care.

So you can listen to the rhetoric about how great the insurance is, or you can try using it to get a taste of the reality. And I make a decent income. All those other people who didn't have insurance before because they couldn't afford it sure aren't going to be able to pay for all the things it doesn't cover.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: stuttershock on March 17, 2016, 18:53
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results[/url] ([url]http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results[/url])


...so?

I mean, seriously, why is that so OMG-America? Remember, there were Obama and Bush already. How could Trump possibly be worse than these characters?

And that total incompetent by the name of Clinton who has a track record of criminal wrongdoing since Watergate (destroying evidence and skewing the outcome any way her masters wanted her to), and who later on enriched herself with illegal funds (laundering them trough fake Refco accounts disguised as "commodities profits" she never really made), and possible dozens of similar other goings on that only haven't made it into the news -- does THAT inspire so much more confidence?

That Sanders-freak who believes he has "overcome the laws of supply and demand"...? All the other puppets out there who are just waiting to take "orders from above" and sell even more of us to their "masters". Is this so much better than the madman Trump who is obviously running just because that's the only spleen he hasn't tried yet?

I know that this is a stronghold of socialist do-gooders here, you guys are proving it with about every word coming out of your mouths, your views about how "we need to eliminate competition" by not having new stock photographers getting into the agencies, how it is "a good thing" when artists are leaving "so there is more of the cake" left for yourselves etc etc.

This is exactly the kind of loser thinking that's so painfully dominant here -- and this is not even coming from my mouth, but Yuri Acurs'  from socialist Denmark who said as much in one of his blog posts last year because he's talking from experience he must have gathered back in his home country -- , and I grant you that most of you guys, for these very reasons and views of yourselves alone, will likely hate anyone who threatens to "spoil your party" of "Obama money" food stamps and free lunches. But when (not if) the music stops, anyone with a mindset like that will be having a rough awakening anyway.

Just to be clear, I wouldn't want to see the risk of Trump becoming president materializing but -- come on -- it would by no means spell more disaster than any of the "alternatives" (who are not alternatives but yet-more-of-the same).

>Trump:
>He actually wants to build a Wall!  :o

@zero_talent, Bush built Guantanamo, Obama promised to do away with it but did not, so what's the shocker with that "wall", anyway? You don't seem to know the first thing about this country, if you try making "a point" out of that: there are camera-and-drone-enforced fences down there for a long time already (and they date back to Clinton's and Bush-the-Older-One's years).

Apart from @cobalt and very few others, how many here do have any real opinion or some real knowledge of their own, or why is there hardly anyone coming up with anything more original than what the mainstream media talking heads are feeding you? Doesn't look like it -- and THAT is the real "OMG America" thing :)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: VB inc on March 17, 2016, 20:21
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.

I have no pro or con for Trump.
But do you really believe that he will not be, him too, one of these "who promise things and never deliver"?
I am sure he will; all politicians are…

hard to deliver since he hasn't made any concrete promises other than everything will be great.  he's a demagogue playing to sexist, racist, nationalist and anti-immigrant feelings. 

even the republican party can't back him! 

meanwhile Obama has come thru on many of his promises:
-affordable care act giving health care to over 10 million more
-stimulus which pulled us out of Bush's recession
-steady jobs growth over 6 years
-an historic climate change agreement
-opening relations with Cuba
-fewer prisoners in Guantanamo (remainder are there because of republican congress' refusal to act)

as far as trump as a 'successful' business man - that's no where near the same as running a govt in which you have to actually work WITH the other branches of govt; business owners already run too much in the US while paying little or no taxes

"Affordable" health care. Not. It's more expensive and covers less. I went to a cardiologist. He ordered three tests for me. I didn't do them because the crappy Obamacare insurance won't pay a penny for them, and I have the best plan you can get out of the batch. The other insurance plans wouldn't have even covered the doctor's visit. Those 10 million people you mention may have health insurance, but they don't have health care.

So you can listen to the rhetoric about how great the insurance is, or you can try using it to get a taste of the reality. And I make a decent income. All those other people who didn't have insurance before because they couldn't afford it sure aren't going to be able to pay for all the things it doesn't cover.

Is it obamacare or is it the totally bs health care system that we have in place where the insurance companies and the healthcare physicians are colluding to just keep raking in the money from patients.

I went to see this specialist a couple of months ago. For a brief 15 minute consultation with basically me telling her what my issues were and her ordering some blood samples, she puts in her invoice $1400 for first time consultation. What kind of bs system have we gotten ourselves into because the people/corporations that make the big money lobby money to politicians that make our laws and keep the fat cats fat.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Leo on March 17, 2016, 20:47
Quote
The President in particular is very much a figurehead—he wields no real power whatsoever. […] His job is not to wield power but to draw attention away from it. (4.14 footnote)

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

I'm not qualified to judge the potential of a would-be president, but I do like to observe how they became an option in the first place.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: douglas on March 17, 2016, 20:49


I know that this is a stronghold of socialist do-gooders here .... kind of loser thinking ....   from socialist Denmark who said as much in one of his blog posts last year because he's talking from experience he must have gathered back in his home country


And what precisely is wrong with 'socialist do-gooders'? Say, for example in terrible Denmark which you mention? The country which has once again been assesed by those crypto-communists at Forbes Magazine as the best country in the world to do business (with USA falling for the 6th consecutive year to 22nd) http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/ (http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/) And it seems to suit the do-gooders as the annual Happiness Index from the UN's Sustainable Development Solutions Network http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35824033 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35824033) has it as the happest country in the world followed by four other Nordic countries. 

These seems to be the models Mr Sanders is enthusiastic about, Ridiculous - why would anyone want happiness and economic success, must be a * commie.

Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 17, 2016, 20:50
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.

I have no pro or con for Trump.
But do you really believe that he will not be, him too, one of these "who promise things and never deliver"?
I am sure he will; all politicians are…

hard to deliver since he hasn't made any concrete promises other than everything will be great.  he's a demagogue playing to sexist, racist, nationalist and anti-immigrant feelings. 

even the republican party can't back him! 

meanwhile Obama has come thru on many of his promises:
-affordable care act giving health care to over 10 million more
-stimulus which pulled us out of Bush's recession
-steady jobs growth over 6 years
-an historic climate change agreement
-opening relations with Cuba
-fewer prisoners in Guantanamo (remainder are there because of republican congress' refusal to act)

as far as trump as a 'successful' business man - that's no where near the same as running a govt in which you have to actually work WITH the other branches of govt; business owners already run too much in the US while paying little or no taxes

"Affordable" health care. Not. It's more expensive and covers less. I went to a cardiologist. He ordered three tests for me. I didn't do them because the crappy Obamacare insurance won't pay a penny for them, and I have the best plan you can get out of the batch. The other insurance plans wouldn't have even covered the doctor's visit. Those 10 million people you mention may have health insurance, but they don't have health care.

So you can listen to the rhetoric about how great the insurance is, or you can try using it to get a taste of the reality. And I make a decent income. All those other people who didn't have insurance before because they couldn't afford it sure aren't going to be able to pay for all the things it doesn't cover.

Is it obamacare or is it the totally bs health care system that we have in place where the insurance companies and the healthcare physicians are colluding to just keep raking in the money from patients.

I went to see this specialist a couple of months ago. For a brief 15 minute consultation with basically me telling her what my issues were and her ordering some blood samples, she puts in her invoice $1400 for first time consultation. What kind of bs system have we gotten ourselves into because the people/corporations that make the big money lobby money to politicians that make our laws and keep the fat cats fat.

I hope that didn't have to come out of your pockets. I ran into a similar, but less dramatic situation a couple days ago. My wife went to see a dentist for a 15 minute consultation and they charged a ridiculous $275 dollars, because she decided to use someone else. I think my wife panicked and paid. I had to call them up the next day to get a refund. They refused to waive the fee, but agreed to refund the original payment and charge her half of the original fee. It's incredible to see what they get away with.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: cascoly on March 17, 2016, 20:52
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.

I have no pro or con for Trump.
But do you really believe that he will not be, him too, one of these "who promise things and never deliver"?
I am sure he will; all politicians are…

hard to deliver since he hasn't made any concrete promises other than everything will be great.  he's a demagogue playing to sexist, racist, nationalist and anti-immigrant feelings. 

even the republican party can't back him! 

meanwhile Obama has come thru on many of his promises:
-affordable care act giving health care to over 10 million more
-stimulus which pulled us out of Bush's recession
-steady jobs growth over 6 years
-an historic climate change agreement
-opening relations with Cuba
-fewer prisoners in Guantanamo (remainder are there because of republican congress' refusal to act)

as far as trump as a 'successful' business man - that's no where near the same as running a govt in which you have to actually work WITH the other branches of govt; business owners already run too much in the US while paying little or no taxes

"Affordable" health care. Not. It's more expensive and covers less. I went to a cardiologist. He ordered three tests for me. I didn't do them because the crappy Obamacare insurance won't pay a penny for them, and I have the best plan you can get out of the batch. The other insurance plans wouldn't have even covered the doctor's visit. Those 10 million people you mention may have health insurance, but they don't have health care.

So you can listen to the rhetoric about how great the insurance is, or you can try using it to get a taste of the reality. And I make a decent income. All those other people who didn't have insurance before because they couldn't afford it sure aren't going to be able to pay for all the things it doesn't cover.

that may be your experience with a poor health care plan - it's not a reflection of the real world == unfortunately, we're well behind every other industrial nation in having universal health care -- the ACA was a small step in the right direction -- miles ahead of ANY republican alternative

that's the big difference - republicans are ALL demagogues - saying No to anything without ANY actual ALTERNATIVES

**** European and other members who have real UNIVERSAL health care, feel free to laugh at our pathetic American attempts to bring our country up to MINIMAL world standards, but Obama's ACA was the best we could do considering the overwhelming negativity of republicans (and some democrats)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 17, 2016, 21:10


I know that this is a stronghold of socialist do-gooders here .... kind of loser thinking ....   from socialist Denmark who said as much in one of his blog posts last year because he's talking from experience he must have gathered back in his home country


And what precisely is wrong with 'socialist do-gooders'? Say, for example in terrible Denmark which you mention? The country which has once again been assesed by those crypto-communists at Forbes Magazine as the best country in the world to do business (with USA falling for the 6th consecutive year to 22nd) [url]http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/[/url] ([url]http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/[/url]) And it seems to suit the do-gooders as the annual Happiness Index from the UN's Sustainable Development Solutions Network [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35824033[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35824033[/url]) has it as the happest country in the world followed by four other Nordic countries. 

These seems to be the models Mr Sanders is enthusiastic about, Ridiculous - why would anyone want happiness and economic success, must be a * commie.


When you compare a country of 300 million people to a country of 5.6 million, the math becomes problematic. For Sanders to accomplish what he wants to accomplish, it would take trillions of dollars and that money will have to come out of the pockets of anyone earning more than $50K a year to the people who are not. We're talking 50% or more for income tax. And that is very problematic.

The point Shuttershock is trying to make isn't bashing people with socialist beliefs, but rather pointing out the hypocrisy of people who favors socialism, but show fiercely capitalistic behavior when their sales are falling.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Zero Talent on March 17, 2016, 21:11
>Trump:
>He actually wants to build a Wall!  :o

@zero_talent, Bush built Guantanamo, Obama promised to do away with it but did not, so what's the shocker with that "wall", anyway? You don't seem to know the first thing about this country, if you try making "a point" out of that: there are camera-and-drone-enforced fences down there for a long time already (and they date back to Clinton's and Bush-the-Older-One's years).

I'm afraid you missed the whole point. The wall is a symbol. A symbol for alienation, isolation, paranoia. The wall is the opposite of freedom and liberty!
You better check that album Pink Floyd album, it might be a revelation.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: PixelBytes on March 17, 2016, 21:56
How can you possibly say an elegantly and intelligently written statement is Trump-like?  Trump wouldn't understand half of the words in there much less their meaning.  Trump likes Twitter because 140 characters is about the limit of his thinking capacity.  Trump writes and speaks like a fourth grader - he doesn't come close to the way Tryingmybest writes.

(Full disclosure - I have no idea who Tryingmybest is other than what they write in these forums)

Well-written? Yes. It's also full of hyperbole, something Trump is very good at.

I don't see your point for continuing to compare him to a 4th grader. Exaggeration doesn't make the argument stronger...it has the opposite effect. He has come this far without the backing of the GOP, the media and pretty much every important organization out there, so he must be doing something right. And if you look at past the the surface, he has done a lot of things right.

It certainly isn't exaggeration.  He speaks like an elementary school child.  Everything is either "tremendous" or involves "winning" or it's "awful" and "losing".  He has no vocabulary that I've seen, aside from those simple words, and playground insults at others.

Don't forget YUGE and TERRIFIC.

If anyone watches The Nightly Show with Larry Wilmore, he has a dead on Donald Trump impersonator who is hilarious!
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: marthamarks on March 17, 2016, 22:41
Good luck to USAmerica

Thanks. We need it!
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: marthamarks on March 17, 2016, 22:43
Palin aspires to talk like a 4th grader, lol.

Yep. And then she fails.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: dpimborough on March 18, 2016, 03:22
Just be careful what you wish for you may get it (Chinese proverb)  ;D
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sharpshot on March 18, 2016, 04:14
How can you possibly say an elegantly and intelligently written statement is Trump-like?  Trump wouldn't understand half of the words in there much less their meaning.  Trump likes Twitter because 140 characters is about the limit of his thinking capacity.  Trump writes and speaks like a fourth grader - he doesn't come close to the way Tryingmybest writes.

(Full disclosure - I have no idea who Tryingmybest is other than what they write in these forums)


Well-written? Yes. It's also full of hyperbole, something Trump is very good at.

I don't see your point for continuing to compare him to a 4th grader. Exaggeration doesn't make the argument stronger...it has the opposite effect. He has come this far without the backing of the GOP, the media and pretty much every important organization out there, so he must be doing something right. And if you look at past the the surface, he has done a lot of things right.
It can't be hard for someone worth 4.5 billion to fund themselves.  He tells people he is worth 10 billion but as he seems to exaggerate everything about himself, that's unbelievable.  He has been taking donations, is there a list of his donators and how much they have donated?  According to this, he has loaned himself 17.5 million and might not pay it back http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/politics/Its-Unlikely-Trump-Will-Reimburse-Campaign-Loan-372032972.html (http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/politics/Its-Unlikely-Trump-Will-Reimburse-Campaign-Loan-372032972.html)
For everything he has done right in the past, if you do your research, you will find all the times when he has made mistakes that have lost other people money.  It isn't that difficult to become rich when you inherit great wealth and don't mind gambling with other peoples money.  I don't see it as admirable, most entrepreneurs lose their own money at some point but the good ones learn the lesson and they don't keep losing their investors money.  Then there's the questions about who Trump has been doing business with.  How anyone that has researched his business past could think he is suitable as president is beyond me.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: SpaceStockFootage on March 18, 2016, 04:35
I'm from the UK and all my family is from the UK, but last year my brother and his family became US citizens... so they're able to vote for the first time this year. My sister in law is big into her politics and she's campaigning for Bernie this year. She goes on his rallies and holds open house type things. All very exciting! I think he should have somehow incorporated Bert and Ernie from Sesame Street in his marketing campaign. He missed a trick there.

As for Trump, I don't really know enough about the guy to have a fully informed opinion. He does seem a bit like some kind of comedy villain in a pantomime though. Although worryingly... people are cheering when he comes on stage, rather than the expected booing.

 
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sharpshot on March 18, 2016, 04:59
I'm from the UK and all my family is from the UK, but last year my brother and his family became US citizens... so they're able to vote for the first time this year. My sister in law is big into her politics and she's campaigning for Bernie this year. She goes on his rallies and holds open house type things. All very exciting! I think he should have somehow incorporated Bert and Ernie from Sesame Street in his marketing campaign. He missed a trick there.

As for Trump, I don't really know enough about the guy to have a fully informed opinion. He does seem a bit like some kind of comedy villain in a pantomime though. Although worryingly... people are cheering when he comes on stage, rather than the expected booing.

 
They don't have pantomime in the US, he would probably still get cheers if he dressed as an ugly sister.  He already has the hair for it :)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on March 18, 2016, 05:02
Trump has only spent $250,000 odd of his own money so far.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35713168 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35713168)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sooner_foto on March 18, 2016, 07:34
Trump likes to talk about winning all the time.  The problem with winning is there is one winner and the rest are losers. 

Trump wins when he kicks an old lady to the curb to build his casino parking lot.  Trump wins when brings in cheap temporary imported labor for his Florida resort.

I'd rather see a politician speak about empowering people and raising up those who are hurting. 

The anger show at his rallies comes from people who are losing.  What makes them think a self centered, megalomaniac greedy businessman who has built his company around creating gilded play-lands for the rich is going to care about them?

He doesn't care about the middle class - the middle class isn't his customer base.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Nikovsk on March 18, 2016, 07:47
I'm sure having a great time watching the globalists freak out over Trump  8)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sooner_foto on March 18, 2016, 08:15
The thought of Trump in the White House is making the world nervous.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/mar/17/president-trump-sixth-list-major-threats-global-economy-republican-trade-eiu (http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/mar/17/president-trump-sixth-list-major-threats-global-economy-republican-trade-eiu)

Of course it has been suggested that Trump told the NY Times off the record that he really isn't going to do half the things he says he would do.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Zero Talent on March 18, 2016, 09:59
I'm sure having a great time watching the globalists freak out over Trump  8)
As a representative of extreme nationalism (=nazi), I'm sure you do.

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Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Shelma1 on March 18, 2016, 11:13
Trump: Making America Grating Again..
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: stuttershock on March 18, 2016, 12:16


I know that this is a stronghold of socialist do-gooders here .... kind of loser thinking ....   from socialist Denmark who said as much in one of his blog posts last year because he's talking from experience he must have gathered back in his home country


And what precisely is wrong with 'socialist do-gooders'? Say, for example in terrible Denmark which you mention? The country which has once again been assesed by those crypto-communists at Forbes Magazine as the best country in the world to do business (with USA falling for the 6th consecutive year to 22nd) [url]http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/[/url] ([url]http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/[/url]) And it seems to suit the do-gooders as the annual Happiness Index from the UN's Sustainable Development Solutions Network [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35824033[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35824033[/url]) has it as the happest country in the world followed by four other Nordic countries. 

These seems to be the models Mr Sanders is enthusiastic about, Ridiculous - why would anyone want happiness and economic success, must be a * commie.


@douglas -- I'll tell you what's wrong with socialist do-gooders: it is that they are usually freeloaders and want more free lunches no matter whether society can pay for them or not, just like so many on this nice forum here.

As for your glorifying Denmark, I am asking myself whether you are only regurgitating statistics you learnt  (as most Scandinavians do) or if you actually have any real-life knowledge of your own (as, for example, Yuri Acurs who, quite tellingly, preferred moving his business from  socialist Denmark to South Africa because splendid Denmark does not work out so good in the real world with its darn taxes and big government and 25% moms, or "VAT" -- it did almost the same thing for the same reasons as Arcurs)...

If Sanders is your idea of "happiness and freedom" or if you vote for him out of pity for the old Joe-Biden-style fool then you might as well vote for someone who promotes outlawing gravity :)

Try to make sense of your obscure feelings before participating in the political process.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: stockastic on March 18, 2016, 12:32
One thing we can be sure of is that the day after he wins the nomination, Trump starts dramatically changing his pitch and showing us Trump 2.0.  He knows that to get the Republican nomination, you run off the rails to the right, but to win the election you move back to the center.  So expect to see an all new Trump, more mainstream and less crazy, and also expect the news media to continue to play right along with him and give him exactly the sort of coverage he wants - while at the same time badgering Clinton about an email server. 
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on March 18, 2016, 12:43
"@douglas -- I'll tell you what's wrong with socialist do-gooders: it is that they are usually freeloaders and want more free lunches no matter whether society can pay for them or not, just like so many on this nice forum here."

There's a documentary about this called "Turkeys Voting For Christmas" or something similar. It breaks down the demographics of left and right wing voters. Basically the states that lean most to the right and complain about the government the most are the ones where people receive the most federal assistance, while those lefty "free-loaders" are actually paying for most of the taxes funding them, while they continue to complain about it.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: stuttershock on March 18, 2016, 12:45
I'm sure having a great time watching the globalists freak out over Trump  8)
As a representative of extreme nationalism (=nazi), I'm sure you do.

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@zero_talent, you might want to notice that one need not be a nazi to not like "alternatives" like collectivist (=nazi) Sanders or collectivist (=nazi, and also proven-criminal) Hillary Clinton.

Throwing around with terms like "nazi", maybe this would be a good time for you to learn something about the basics of the political spectrum in an easy manner: https://quizlet.com/10206031/communism-vs-fascism-venn-diagram-flash-cards/ (https://quizlet.com/10206031/communism-vs-fascism-venn-diagram-flash-cards/)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sooner_foto on March 18, 2016, 12:59
I find the people who get all upset about the "turning of America into X,Y,Z European country" are usually people who have never traveled. 

You just have to look at the education rates, life expectancy rates, access to health care, and overall satisfaction levels where the US falls far down the list.  Just believing that the US does everything perfectly isn't enough to change reality.

Or better yet, actually leave the country and travel the world to see for yourself.

Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: chuckcars on March 18, 2016, 13:08
Trump followers an supporters are more insane than The Donald.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: YadaYadaYada on March 18, 2016, 13:08
One thing we can be sure of is that the day after he wins the nomination, Trump starts dramatically changing his pitch and showing us Trump 2.0.  He knows that to get the Republican nomination, you run off the rails to the right, but to win the election you move back to the center.  So expect to see an all new Trump, more mainstream and less crazy, and also expect the news media to continue to play right along with him and give him exactly the sort of coverage he wants - while at the same time badgering Clinton about an email server.

After the election the lefties move to the right, forget their promises and it's politics as usual. None of this is unexpected from either party.

Clintoon has many skeletons in her closet, financial insider stock trading, but putting national secrets on a server in your basement to hide the rest of your underhanded dealings email is wrong.

Trump could forget half of what he promises and still start turning the country around, run like a business, and I'd be happy. Build that wall, stop illegals from draining the system, lower taxes and the reduce freeloading people. Ask somebody who lives near the South border, in AZ or in LA CA. The ones who pay the taxes, have the crime and are mad as hell. Melting pot means joining and becoming part, not refusing to become part of the nation, or learn the language, but taking free medical and education, without paying taxes.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: stockastic on March 18, 2016, 13:13
One thing we can be sure of is that the day after he wins the nomination, Trump starts dramatically changing his pitch and showing us Trump 2.0.  He knows that to get the Republican nomination, you run off the rails to the right, but to win the election you move back to the center.  So expect to see an all new Trump, more mainstream and less crazy, and also expect the news media to continue to play right along with him and give him exactly the sort of coverage he wants - while at the same time badgering Clinton about an email server.

After the election the lefties move to the right, forget their promises and it's politics as usual. None of this is unexpected from either party.

Clintoon has many skeletons in her closet, financial insider stock trading, but putting national secrets on a server in your basement to hide the rest of your underhanded dealings email is wrong.

Trump could forget half of what he promises and still start turning the country around, run like a business, and I'd be happy. Build that wall, stop illegals from draining the system, lower taxes and the reduce freeloading people. Ask somebody who lives near the South border, in AZ or in LA CA. The ones who pay the taxes, have the crime and are mad as hell. Melting pot means joining and becoming part, not refusing to become part of the nation, or learn the language, but taking free medical and education, without paying taxes.

"Insider trading", "underhanded dealings", what are you referring too, specifically, and where is there a scrap of evidence for any of it?   Are you imagining that Trump would even bring up the "wall" again after being elected?   Or that there are no skeletons in Trump's very large closet? Or that a guy who's been through 4 bankruptcies is the one to run the government "like a business"? 
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Pixart on March 18, 2016, 13:23
He's pissed off Anonymous.  Today they published  his SS# and cell phone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvCC2qONQFg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvCC2qONQFg)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Zero Talent on March 18, 2016, 13:26
I'm sure having a great time watching the globalists freak out over Trump  8)
As a representative of extreme nationalism (=nazi), I'm sure you do.

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@zero_talent, you might want to notice that one need not be a nazi to not like "alternatives" like collectivist (=nazi) Sanders or collectivist (=nazi, and also proven-criminal) Hillary Clinton.

Throwing around with terms like "nazi", maybe this would be a good time for you to learn something about the basics of the political spectrum in an easy manner: https://quizlet.com/10206031/communism-vs-fascism-venn-diagram-flash-cards/ (https://quizlet.com/10206031/communism-vs-fascism-venn-diagram-flash-cards/)

Nazi or nazism is short for national-socialism. It manifests itself, in practice, much more through extreme nationalism, and much less through socialism.
Actually all known fascist regimes were the best crony-capitalism examples: regimes where only government's friends can prosper, as long as they obey the government. All fascism/Nazism boxes are ticked by Trump (heavy military and police state, hate propaganda, exacerbated national pride, aggressive external and internal policies, etc)

The bad news is that a lot of modern governments have a certain degree of fascism embedded, including today's USA. Trump has discovered a hole in the system and he is pushing his fascism with full force through it.

On the other hand, why people think that when you dislike a typical fascist like Trump you must necessarily like a socialist like Sanders?
I dislike both! Unfortunately in US there is no 3rd way. You can only choose the lesser evil. The political spectrum is as uni-dimensional as your Venn diagrams.

A third force, promoting social freedom and liberties (the way the democrats do) as well as economical freedom and liberties (the way most republicans do), while putting a stop to all military interventionism, is what America (and the world) really needs, today.

America must start cherishing again the true freedom and liberty, Americans are very proud about, without realizing how little they have left from it.

Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Microstockphoto on March 18, 2016, 13:45
if this was a rap battle zero talent would have owned stutter
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: stuttershock on March 18, 2016, 13:58
I'm sure having a great time watching the globalists freak out over Trump  8)
As a representative of extreme nationalism (=nazi), I'm sure you do.

Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

@zero_talent, you might want to notice that one need not be a nazi to not like "alternatives" like collectivist (=nazi) Sanders or collectivist (=nazi, and also proven-criminal) Hillary Clinton.

Throwing around with terms like "nazi", maybe this would be a good time for you to learn something about the basics of the political spectrum in an easy manner: https://quizlet.com/10206031/communism-vs-fascism-venn-diagram-flash-cards/ (https://quizlet.com/10206031/communism-vs-fascism-venn-diagram-flash-cards/)
typical fascist like Trump you must necessarily like a socialist like Sanders?
I dislike both! Unfortunately in US there is no 3rd way. You can only choose the lesser evil. The political spectrum is as uni-dimensional as your Venn diagrams.

A third force, promoting social freedom and liberties (the way the democrats do) as well as economical freedom and liberties (the way most republicans do), while putting a stop to all military interventionism, is what America (and the world) really needs, today.

America must start cherishing again the true freedom and liberty, Americans are very proud about, without realizing how little they have left from it.

then it turns out we have a lot more consensus between you and me than I initially thought!

(I do hope you also realized that I am not at all favoring Trump either. Although I'd love to see him taking apart that incompetent Hillary-joke, I don't think he is an acceptable candidate himself, and I never said anything to that effect here.)

With that pathetic lack of a true "third" party or maybe a non-party approach and with everything locked in to that two-party polarity (or rather bipartisan "consensus" to the detriment of "[Us] The People", there is rather little hope for any improvement in America in the near future. Add to this the Republicans' failure at producing a useful candidate potentially for the THIRD time in a row now (rather SEVENTH time, because BushJr-BushJr-BushSr-BushSr ought to be added to this row), and you might have me even subscribing to the title of the OP for that reason.

(I just thought that the mere existence of the "Trump show" isn't enough justification for something like that.)

As long as there isn't another Ron Paul coming along -- who pretty much stands for everything you list up there! -- we'll continue to be in deep sh#t. Ted Cruz may or may not be a partial fix for the problem but, then again, he might as well turn out to be part of that Republicrat junta inside that awfully rigged U. S. political system that brought us here in the first place...
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 18, 2016, 14:03
He's pissed off Anonymous.  Today they published  his SS# and cell phone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvCC2qONQFg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvCC2qONQFg)

They better hope Trump doesn't become president. When the FBI knocks down their parent's basement doors, they won't have enough time to close all the browser windows with porn on it.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Zero Talent on March 18, 2016, 15:18
I'm sure having a great time watching the globalists freak out over Trump  8)
As a representative of extreme nationalism (=nazi), I'm sure you do.

Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

@zero_talent, you might want to notice that one need not be a nazi to not like "alternatives" like collectivist (=nazi) Sanders or collectivist (=nazi, and also proven-criminal) Hillary Clinton.

Throwing around with terms like "nazi", maybe this would be a good time for you to learn something about the basics of the political spectrum in an easy manner: https://quizlet.com/10206031/communism-vs-fascism-venn-diagram-flash-cards/ (https://quizlet.com/10206031/communism-vs-fascism-venn-diagram-flash-cards/)
typical fascist like Trump you must necessarily like a socialist like Sanders?
I dislike both! Unfortunately in US there is no 3rd way. You can only choose the lesser evil. The political spectrum is as uni-dimensional as your Venn diagrams.

A third force, promoting social freedom and liberties (the way the democrats do) as well as economical freedom and liberties (the way most republicans do), while putting a stop to all military interventionism, is what America (and the world) really needs, today.

America must start cherishing again the true freedom and liberty, Americans are very proud about, without realizing how little they have left from it.

then it turns out we have a lot more consensus between you and me than I initially thought!

Good!

The only difference between us, is that in the absence of a 3rd voice, my "lesser evil" is the protection of social liberties and freedom (including the liberty to take photos from public property, without being harassed by the police, or to run in a public park, after sunset, without being fined  ;) )

If a true social liberty is achieved, happiness and economical liberty have better chances to be achieved than the other way around.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: marquixHD on March 18, 2016, 16:25
to me, a non="american" (ie mexico, usa, cda)...
bill gates is the best person to be president.
he knows what it's like to be a person who works to be great at what he does.
he has track record of philantropy
he can reduce cost by firing all the corrupted politicians
he can run USA with robots

he is already ruling the world with his compute;
why not his own country???

this must be a joke, right?

- so you think Windows is great? Then why do advanced users -- most notably photographers -- use MacOS (not to mention Linux)?
- his "track record" is bullying an industry with a little help from his father shelling out some dubious license depriving a poor little programmer guy of his (not Gates'!) invention
- his "track record" of "philanthropy" is contaminating the world with Zica (his mosquito experiment in Panama went sour), abusing little girls in India as guinea pigs for his questionable HPV vaccines, and dodging U. S. taxes by way of thinking up some "foundation" that really is nothing more than a tax shelter for his billions not to go to Uncle Sam (the latter part I don't mind, but it's not "for others" either)
- reducing cost by firing people is usually not the way to improve the outcome (surprised that "firing" all of a sudden should be an acceptable thing to do in this union-friendly underdog forum her -- what a laugh),
- do you want to live in a world "rulded" or rather controlled by robots?! I am an IT systems developer but have quite enough of this pseudo-technophile attitude...
- that "rule of his computers" is, thank God, diminishing for the benefit of better solutions than an insecure monolithic OS like Windoze
- and finally (and for your information), the U. S. is not "his" country, nor anyone else's. Where I come from, countries are not owned but civil servants and politicians are supposed to serve the electorate in a political system

As for the bullying part and for (ab)using mechanisms in order to see his stuff through Gates would be "qualified" though for fighting a few more wars, occupy countries "for democracy" and unilaterally "change regimes" at will, I grant you that much, @etudiante_trop_lentement
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 18, 2016, 17:04
to me, a non="american" (ie mexico, usa, cda)...
bill gates is the best person to be president.
he knows what it's like to be a person who works to be great at what he does.
he has track record of philantropy
he can reduce cost by firing all the corrupted politicians
he can run USA with robots

he is already ruling the world with his compute;
why not his own country???

this must be a joke, right?

- so you think Windows is great? Then why do advanced users -- most notably photographers -- use MacOS (not to mention Linux)?
- his "track record" is bullying an industry with a little help from his father shelling out some dubious license depriving a poor little programmer guy of his (not Gates'!) invention
- his "track record" of "philanthropy" is contaminating the world with Zica (his mosquito experiment in Panama went sour), abusing little girls in India as guinea pigs for his questionable HPV vaccines, and dodging U. S. taxes by way of thinking up some "foundation" that really is nothing more than a tax shelter for his billions not to go to Uncle Sam (the latter part I don't mind, but it's not "for others" either)
- reducing cost by firing people is usually not the way to improve the outcome (surprised that "firing" all of a sudden should be an acceptable thing to do in this union-friendly underdog forum her -- what a laugh),
- do you want to live in a world "rulded" or rather controlled by robots?! I am an IT systems developer but have quite enough of this pseudo-technophile attitude...
- that "rule of his computers" is, thank God, diminishing for the benefit of better solutions than an insecure monolithic OS like Windoze
- and finally (and for your information), the U. S. is not "his" country, nor anyone else's. Where I come from, countries are not owned but civil servants and politicians are supposed to serve the electorate in a political system

As for the bullying part and for (ab)using mechanisms in order to see his stuff through Gates would be "qualified" though for fighting a few more wars, occupy countries "for democracy" and unilaterally "change regimes" at will, I grant you that much, @etudiante_trop_lentement

While there is no conclusive evidence, all signs points to the Gates funded project that caused the outbreak. It's quite disturbing and people are not aware of it. I agree with a number of your points and I'll add one more.

- MS's monopolistic IE and their dirty tactics caused the death of Netscape. From 2001-2005, in which many called it the "Dark Ages of the Internet", little to no progress was made to internet browser technology and it was all because of the man pulling the strings behind Microsoft.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sharpshot on March 18, 2016, 18:15
One thing we can be sure of is that the day after he wins the nomination, Trump starts dramatically changing his pitch and showing us Trump 2.0.  He knows that to get the Republican nomination, you run off the rails to the right, but to win the election you move back to the center.  So expect to see an all new Trump, more mainstream and less crazy, and also expect the news media to continue to play right along with him and give him exactly the sort of coverage he wants - while at the same time badgering Clinton about an email server.


After the election the lefties move to the right, forget their promises and it's politics as usual. None of this is unexpected from either party.

Clintoon has many skeletons in her closet, financial insider stock trading, but putting national secrets on a server in your basement to hide the rest of your underhanded dealings email is wrong.

Trump could forget half of what he promises and still start turning the country around, run like a business, and I'd be happy. Build that wall, stop illegals from draining the system, lower taxes and the reduce freeloading people. Ask somebody who lives near the South border, in AZ or in LA CA. The ones who pay the taxes, have the crime and are mad as hell. Melting pot means joining and becoming part, not refusing to become part of the nation, or learn the language, but taking free medical and education, without paying taxes.


"Insider trading", "underhanded dealings", what are you referring too, specifically, and where is there a scrap of evidence for any of it?   Are you imagining that Trump would even bring up the "wall" again after being elected?   Or that there are no skeletons in Trump's very large closet? Or that a guy who's been through 4 bankruptcies is the one to run the government "like a business"?
When I was doing a bit of trading on the stock market, I read a book and was surprised to see the author put in print that Hillary Clinton had been doing illegal insider trading.  I can't remember the book, it was over 10 years ago.  The author challenged her to sue him if she thought his accusations were false, as far as I know, she didn't do anything to clear her name.  Then there's the Bosnia sniper story http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1582795/Hillary-Clintons-Bosnia-sniper-story-exposed.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1582795/Hillary-Clintons-Bosnia-sniper-story-exposed.html)

I don't think she's a fit person to be president of the US but if Trump is the only other alternative, she is by far the better option.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Mantis on March 18, 2016, 18:17
Politics and religion....there are no winners.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: PixelBytes on March 18, 2016, 22:20


While there is no conclusive evidence, all signs points to the Gates funded project that caused the outbreak. It's quite disturbing and people are not aware of it.


OMG.  A quick Google search on Bill Gates Zika Virus turns up a few crazy a$$ conspiracy sites, and this very credible article from a legitimate news source:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/zika-virus-conspiracy-theories-about-gmo-mosquitoes-and-intentional-infection-spread-as-fears-of-a6861156.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/zika-virus-conspiracy-theories-about-gmo-mosquitoes-and-intentional-infection-spread-as-fears-of-a6861156.html)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Leo on March 18, 2016, 22:53
Politics and religion....there are no winners.
They really are the same thing.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: KnowYourOnions on March 19, 2016, 01:20
One thing we can be sure of is that the day after he wins the nomination, Trump starts dramatically changing his pitch and showing us Trump 2.0.  He knows that to get the Republican nomination, you run off the rails to the right, but to win the election you move back to the center.  So expect to see an all new Trump, more mainstream and less crazy, and also expect the news media to continue to play right along with him and give him exactly the sort of coverage he wants - while at the same time badgering Clinton about an email server.


After the election the lefties move to the right, forget their promises and it's politics as usual. None of this is unexpected from either party.

Clintoon has many skeletons in her closet, financial insider stock trading, but putting national secrets on a server in your basement to hide the rest of your underhanded dealings email is wrong.

Trump could forget half of what he promises and still start turning the country around, run like a business, and I'd be happy. Build that wall, stop illegals from draining the system, lower taxes and the reduce freeloading people. Ask somebody who lives near the South border, in AZ or in LA CA. The ones who pay the taxes, have the crime and are mad as hell. Melting pot means joining and becoming part, not refusing to become part of the nation, or learn the language, but taking free medical and education, without paying taxes.


"Insider trading", "underhanded dealings", what are you referring too, specifically, and where is there a scrap of evidence for any of it?   Are you imagining that Trump would even bring up the "wall" again after being elected?   Or that there are no skeletons in Trump's very large closet? Or that a guy who's been through 4 bankruptcies is the one to run the government "like a business"?
When I was doing a bit of trading on the stock market, I read a book and was surprised to see the author put in print that Hillary Clinton had been doing illegal insider trading.  I can't remember the book, it was over 10 years ago.  The author challenged her to sue him if she thought his accusations were false, as far as I know, she didn't do anything to clear her name.  Then there's the Bosnia sniper story [url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1582795/Hillary-Clintons-Bosnia-sniper-story-exposed.html[/url] ([url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1582795/Hillary-Clintons-Bosnia-sniper-story-exposed.html[/url])

I don't think she's a fit person to be president of the US but if Trump is the only other alternative, she is by far the better option.
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Hmmm...  8)

More on her...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kypl1MYuKDY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kypl1MYuKDY)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCYI7rppBOE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCYI7rppBOE)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNVi1wXPEto (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNVi1wXPEto)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfgTcgk8-mFPE3FGuO3I6ig (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfgTcgk8-mFPE3FGuO3I6ig)

And Trump Steaks etc ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFz-XpHTqI4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFz-XpHTqI4)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_mTiDeQvWg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_mTiDeQvWg)

Great weekend u ALL!
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sharpshot on March 19, 2016, 04:30
Looks like Trump even cheats at golf.  I wonder who would win between him and Kim Jong-un :)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/film/hateful-eight/samuel-l-jackson-donald-trump-photo-golf-cheat/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/film/hateful-eight/samuel-l-jackson-donald-trump-photo-golf-cheat/)

And the Simpsons did Trump as president 16 years ago.
http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/mar/17/simpsons-president-trump-prediction-was-meant-as-warning-to-us (http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2016/mar/17/simpsons-president-trump-prediction-was-meant-as-warning-to-us)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: douglas on March 19, 2016, 05:24


I know that this is a stronghold of socialist do-gooders here .... kind of loser thinking ....   from socialist Denmark who said as much in one of his blog posts last year because he's talking from experience he must have gathered back in his home country


And what precisely is wrong with 'socialist do-gooders'? Say, for example in terrible Denmark which you mention? The country which has once again been assesed by those crypto-communists at Forbes Magazine as the best country in the world to do business (with USA falling for the 6th consecutive year to 22nd) [url]http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/[/url] ([url]http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/[/url]) And it seems to suit the do-gooders as the annual Happiness Index from the UN's Sustainable Development Solutions Network [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35824033[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35824033[/url]) has it as the happest country in the world followed by four other Nordic countries. 

These seems to be the models Mr Sanders is enthusiastic about, Ridiculous - why would anyone want happiness and economic success, must be a * commie.


@douglas -- I'll tell you what's wrong with socialist do-gooders: it is that they are usually freeloaders and want more free lunches no matter whether society can pay for them or not, just like so many on this nice forum here.

As for your glorifying Denmark, I am asking myself whether you are only regurgitating statistics you learnt  (as most Scandinavians do) or if you actually have any real-life knowledge of your own (as, for example, Yuri Acurs who, quite tellingly, preferred moving his business from  socialist Denmark to South Africa because splendid Denmark does not work out so good in the real world with its darn taxes and big government and 25% moms, or "VAT" -- it did almost the same thing for the same reasons as Arcurs)...

If Sanders is your idea of "happiness and freedom" or if you vote for him out of pity for the old Joe-Biden-style fool then you might as well vote for someone who promotes outlawing gravity :)

Try to make sense of your obscure feelings before participating in the political process.


Perhaps English is not your first language, neither is it mine, but I fail to understand what you mean by ‘obscure feelings’. 

Posting a response to an ill-informed rant on a photography forum does not in my book qualify as engaging in ‘the political process’.  I will not be voting for any of the candidates in the US election as I am neither a citizen nor a resident.  I did live and work in the US for some years and later founded a company there and this, with having worked in around 30 countries (including Denmark), been a resident and taxpayer in eight and running businesses in four is my ‘real world experience’. However, rather than rely on that subjective experience I provided you with independent data from Forbes Magazine and the United Nations.  You have not challenged its validity, merely accused me of memorising statistics which you suggest is a heinous crime characteristic of Scandinavians (with the grasp you appear to have of the world perhaps you classify my birthplace of Scotland within that grouping) and relied on Yuri Arcurs’ move to encapsulate the country’s entire economic history.

I don’t hold up Denmark as an example of anything: I simply pointed out the inaccuracy of your remarks.  Furthermore, Mr Rasmussen, the current prime minister of that country, would likely take umbrage at your remarks about socialism, he being the leader of the centre-right liberals who chose to govern as a minority government after failing to form a right-wing coalition most notably with the extreme right-wing (OK, maybe not in Trump terms) anti-immigration DPP, the parliament’s second largest party.

Your objection to VAT is strange. It’s a business neutral tax where effectively the company collects tax from consumers for the government whilst being able to claim back the VAT it pays on the goods and services it buys so the rate is irrelevant.

My own ‘real-world experience’ of Mr Trump is the way he treated the residents of the Menie Estate in Aberdeenshire, Scotland (see the award-winning film Trumped if you want to know the story) where the half-developed golf resort should give you a feel for what to expect from his promises. Further experience came from my attempt to return my post-graduate degree to the Robert Gordon University in Aberdeen which foolishly awarded Mr Trump an honorary doctorate.  Many others felt the same as I did and his degree was revoked. 

Were your postings typical of the level of political discourse in the United States then the country probably would deserve President Trump.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sooner_foto on March 19, 2016, 09:58
Don't forget - Two-thirds of Trump's wives are/were immigrants.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: stockastic on March 19, 2016, 10:01
to me, a non="american" (ie mexico, usa, cda)...
bill gates is the best person to be president.
he knows what it's like to be a person who works to be great at what he does.
he has track record of philantropy
he can reduce cost by firing all the corrupted politicians
he can run USA with robots

he is already ruling the world with his compute;
why not his own country???

this must be a joke, right?

- so you think Windows is great? Then why do advanced users -- most notably photographers -- use MacOS (not to mention Linux)?
- his "track record" is bullying an industry with a little help from his father shelling out some dubious license depriving a poor little programmer guy of his (not Gates'!) invention
- his "track record" of "philanthropy" is contaminating the world with Zica (his mosquito experiment in Panama went sour), abusing little girls in India as guinea pigs for his questionable HPV vaccines, and dodging U. S. taxes by way of thinking up some "foundation" that really is nothing more than a tax shelter for his billions not to go to Uncle Sam (the latter part I don't mind, but it's not "for others" either)
- reducing cost by firing people is usually not the way to improve the outcome (surprised that "firing" all of a sudden should be an acceptable thing to do in this union-friendly underdog forum her -- what a laugh),
- do you want to live in a world "rulded" or rather controlled by robots?! I am an IT systems developer but have quite enough of this pseudo-technophile attitude...
- that "rule of his computers" is, thank God, diminishing for the benefit of better solutions than an insecure monolithic OS like Windoze
- and finally (and for your information), the U. S. is not "his" country, nor anyone else's. Where I come from, countries are not owned but civil servants and politicians are supposed to serve the electorate in a political system

As for the bullying part and for (ab)using mechanisms in order to see his stuff through Gates would be "qualified" though for fighting a few more wars, occupy countries "for democracy" and unilaterally "change regimes" at will, I grant you that much, @etudiante_trop_lentement

While there is no conclusive evidence, all signs points to the Gates funded project that caused the outbreak. It's quite disturbing and people are not aware of it. I agree with a number of your points and I'll add one more.

- MS's monopolistic IE and their dirty tactics caused the death of Netscape. From 2001-2005, in which many called it the "Dark Ages of the Internet", little to no progress was made to internet browser technology and it was all because of the man pulling the strings behind Microsoft.

The idea that the Gates Foundation had anything to do with the spread of this virus is complete nonsense, as a minute spent Googling the issue - and reading actual news sources - makes clear.   
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: etudiante_rapide on March 19, 2016, 12:20
The idea that the Gates Foundation had anything to do with the spread of this virus is complete nonsense, as a minute spent Googling the issue - and reading actual news sources - makes clear.   

agree.
why would gates do such a thing???
i am speaking not from stories, of the man. ..
i actually met and work with people who worked for the man,
and not one of those people had anything bad to say about bill gates.
he was always the one to help someone who wants to succeed, because he was a self-made man himself.

if he really wanted to spread some silly virus, he does not have to do it in such a way
that it all ends up in your face. bill gates has better things to do.

anyway, sorry to get a bit off-topic.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Lizard on March 19, 2016, 16:54
So people are still buying stories about different sides in high politics knowing that governments budgets are nothing more than corporate or private properties and the countries them self are registered companies ?

Chill down, they are just picking a face thats gonna stare at you from the screen more frequently announcing decision which will empty your pockets more explaing how you are gonna benefit from that in the future.  ;D
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: YadaYadaYada on March 20, 2016, 16:53
So people are still buying stories about different sides in high politics knowing that governments budgets are nothing more than corporate or private properties and the countries them self are registered companies ?

Chill down, they are just picking a face thats gonna stare at you from the screen more frequently announcing decision which will empty your pockets more explaing how you are gonna benefit from that in the future.  ;D

How do you know when a politician is lying? answer, their lips are moving. I trust none of them to be doing anything except what is for their own ego, power and financial gain. Noone with any sense would run for President.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: KnowYourOnions on March 21, 2016, 02:19
So people are still buying stories about different sides in high politics knowing that governments budgets are nothing more than corporate or private properties and the countries them self are registered companies ?

Chill down, they are just picking a face thats gonna stare at you from the screen more frequently announcing decision which will empty your pockets more explaing how you are gonna benefit from that in the future.  ;D

How do you know when a politician is lying? answer, their lips are moving. I trust none of them to be doing anything except what is for their own ego, power and financial gain. Noone with any sense would run for President.

I agree, but still ... still curious to see would Bernie be any different.  :-\
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sharpshot on March 21, 2016, 05:24
Bernie Sanders might be almost as bad for the US as Trump.  High taxes on the rich looks like a good idea but it doesn't work because they get around them and don't pay them.  He wants to spend more and wont be able to get more in.  So the US would soon be in a mess, as the debt is already $19,135,778,280,520 (will be more by the time you read this :) ).  No idea why people would want to implement something that has already been proven not to work?  As the great philosophers Benny Andersson, Björn Ulvaeus and Stig Anderson wrote "The history book on the shelf, is always repeating itself"
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on March 21, 2016, 08:39
Bernie Sanders might be almost as bad for the US as Trump.  High taxes on the rich looks like a good idea but it doesn't work because they get around them and don't pay them.  He wants to spend more and wont be able to get more in.  So the US would soon be in a mess, as the debt is already $19,135,778,280,520 (will be more by the time you read this :) ).  No idea why people would want to implement something that has already been proven not to work?  As the great philosophers Benny Andersson, Björn Ulvaeus and Stig Anderson wrote "The history book on the shelf, is always repeating itself"

What's been proven not to work is the Republican idea of cutting taxes for the rich and increasing spending on the military - we did that under Reagan, and Bush II did the same thing on steroids and it was a disaster for the debt both times.  Bush I called Reagan's plan "voodoo economics" and when he tried to make things better was voted out of office.  Now his sons and all of the Republication candidates have embraced voodoo economics as their main platform - I guess due to the backlash against Bush I, even though what he did was working (and got even better under Clinton and now Obama).

Before Reagan, the rich paid more of a fair share of taxes and the economy seemed to work pretty well.  As far as I know the US has never tried the kinds of things Sanders is proposing so there is no way to know whether it will work.  I have been very skeptical about whether he can come even close to paying for some of the things he wants - free higher education, expanded social security, etc - but a couple of independent economic analyses have said that his education plan might work (although I am still skeptical).  Of course that assumes that Congress would cooperate and help out instead of actively trying to sabotage everything as they have done against Obama the past seven years.

For economic policies, all of the Republicans are proposing the same old voodoo economics that we know doesn't work.  Sanders is proposing something entirely different and wants to make radical changes that would be almost impossible to get through Congress with very unpredictable results - we could make some analyses based on other countries, particularly Europe, but trying such things on a larger scale here would be a huge experiment that very few would be wiling to test.  That leaves Hillary as proposing to mostly continue the policies of Obama and make some incremental changes.  For some reason I have never liked Hillary and the Clintons are just too enamored of their celebrity status for my taste.  She hasn't driven a car in 20 years - totally out of touch with real life for most of us, despite what she tries to say.  Not driving may be true of many top members of Government, I don't know, but the idea of someone who always has a driver seems very elitist to me.  However, she is the only one in the middle between the extremes of the Republicans and Sanders so to me seems to be our best choice among the available options.  I have been on her side since she survived 11 hours of grilling by Grand Inquisitor Gowdy during the Benghazi show hearings in Congress - the Republicans went way over the top on that one wasting over $5 million in taxpayer dollars for no benefit except to further their political goals.  Such nonsense does not happen (or at least not very much) when the Democrats are in charge of Congress - they usually actually try to govern, unlike their Republican counterparts nowadays.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Shelma1 on March 21, 2016, 08:56
For some reason I have never liked Hillary

If Bill was running against Drumpf, would you vote for him?
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sharpshot on March 21, 2016, 11:05
Bernie Sanders might be almost as bad for the US as Trump.  High taxes on the rich looks like a good idea but it doesn't work because they get around them and don't pay them.  He wants to spend more and wont be able to get more in.  So the US would soon be in a mess, as the debt is already $19,135,778,280,520 (will be more by the time you read this :) ).  No idea why people would want to implement something that has already been proven not to work?  As the great philosophers Benny Andersson, Björn Ulvaeus and Stig Anderson wrote "The history book on the shelf, is always repeating itself"


What's been proven not to work is the Republican idea of cutting taxes for the rich and increasing spending on the military - we did that under Reagan, and Bush II did the same thing on steroids and it was a disaster for the debt both times.  Bush I called Reagan's plan "voodoo economics" and when he tried to make things better was voted out of office.  Now his sons and all of the Republication candidates have embraced voodoo economics as their main platform - I guess due to the backlash against Bush I, even though what he did was working (and got even better under Clinton and now Obama).

Before Reagan, the rich paid more of a fair share of taxes and the economy seemed to work pretty well.  As far as I know the US has never tried the kinds of things Sanders is proposing so there is no way to know whether it will work.  I have been very skeptical about whether he can come even close to paying for some of the things he wants - free higher education, expanded social security, etc - but a couple of independent economic analyses have said that his education plan might work (although I am still skeptical).  Of course that assumes that Congress would cooperate and help out instead of actively trying to sabotage everything as they have done against Obama the past seven years.

For economic policies, all of the Republicans are proposing the same old voodoo economics that we know doesn't work.  Sanders is proposing something entirely different and wants to make radical changes that would be almost impossible to get through Congress with very unpredictable results - we could make some analyses based on other countries, particularly Europe, but trying such things on a larger scale here would be a huge experiment that very few would be wiling to test.  That leaves Hillary as proposing to mostly continue the policies of Obama and make some incremental changes.  For some reason I have never liked Hillary and the Clintons are just too enamored of their celebrity status for my taste.  She hasn't driven a car in 20 years - totally out of touch with real life for most of us, despite what she tries to say.  Not driving may be true of many top members of Government, I don't know, but the idea of someone who always has a driver seems very elitist to me.  However, she is the only one in the middle between the extremes of the Republicans and Sanders so to me seems to be our best choice among the available options.  I have been on her side since she survived 11 hours of grilling by Grand Inquisitor Gowdy during the Benghazi show hearings in Congress - the Republicans went way over the top on that one wasting over $5 million in taxpayer dollars for no benefit except to further their political goals.  Such nonsense does not happen (or at least not very much) when the Democrats are in charge of Congress - they usually actually try to govern, unlike their Republican counterparts nowadays.
I don't think the rich paid a fairer share before Reagan.  There was a much higher top tax rate but just look at the last graph here, they found ways not to pay it.
http://mercatus.org/publication/tax-rates-vs-tax-revenues (http://mercatus.org/publication/tax-rates-vs-tax-revenues) 
It isn't just right wing people that use schemes to avoid tax, lots of wealthy people with more socialist views have done it as well.  So I think anyone proposing to raise income tax to bring in more money either hasn't done their research or is trying to fool people.  Lots of politicians have said they will close the loopholes and make people pay what they should but they haven't succeeded for at least 50 years so why do they think they will do it now?
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: suwanneeredhead on March 21, 2016, 13:22
Feel the Bern!
Feel the Bread Line!
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 21, 2016, 23:09
Trump is starting to change his strategy. It's been happening in the last couple of weeks and it seems like I'm not the only one who has noticed it.

The 'angry' Trump is starting to fade away and he's showing off his presidential side. His speech to the AIPAC tonight basically confirms this shift in strategy. I expect him to start gaining more and more support in the upcoming weeks and it wouldn't surprise me if he starts to warm up to the Republican establishment as well.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: PixelBytes on March 21, 2016, 23:47
Bernie Sanders might be almost as bad for the US as Trump.  High taxes on the rich looks like a good idea but it doesn't work because they get around them and don't pay them.  He wants to spend more and wont be able to get more in.  So the US would soon be in a mess, as the debt is already $19,135,778,280,520 (will be more by the time you read this :) ).  No idea why people would want to implement something that has already been proven not to work?  As the great philosophers Benny Andersson, Björn Ulvaeus and Stig Anderson wrote "The history book on the shelf, is always repeating itself"

Great ABBA reference. :)

Other problem with Bernie is there is no way a republican congress will implement any of the promises he's making.  Unlikely even if there was a democrat majority.  Presidents arent dictators or kings.  They cant do much unless they can get congress on board.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: PixelBytes on March 21, 2016, 23:55
For some reason I have never liked Hillary

If Bill was running against Drumpf, would you vote for him?

Been watching John Oliver?  That was a great piece he did on his show.  Hilarious!
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: PixelBytes on March 21, 2016, 23:57
Trump is starting to change his strategy. It's been happening in the last couple of weeks and it seems like I'm not the only one who has noticed it.

The 'angry' Trump is starting to fade away and he's showing off his presidential side. His speech to the AIPAC tonight basically confirms this shift in strategy. I expect him to start gaining more and more support in the upcoming weeks and it wouldn't surprise me if he starts to warm up to the Republican establishment as well.

Wonder how David Duke and the KKK will feel about his Jewish grandkids? 
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: KnowYourOnions on March 22, 2016, 01:59
Bernie Sanders wins global primary of Democrats living abroad

"With turnout up 50% from 2008, 34,570 US citizens living in 38 countries voted by internet, mail, fax or in person. Sanders took 69% of the vote to earn nine delegates to the national convention in August; Hillary Clinton took 31% and four."

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/21/bernie-sanders-wins-global-primary-democrats-abroad?CMP=fb_gu (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/21/bernie-sanders-wins-global-primary-democrats-abroad?CMP=fb_gu)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sharpshot on March 22, 2016, 03:54
Trump is starting to change his strategy. It's been happening in the last couple of weeks and it seems like I'm not the only one who has noticed it.

The 'angry' Trump is starting to fade away and he's showing off his presidential side. His speech to the AIPAC tonight basically confirms this shift in strategy. I expect him to start gaining more and more support in the upcoming weeks and it wouldn't surprise me if he starts to warm up to the Republican establishment as well.
If he pulls back from the extreme views, he will look like a hypocrite.  Every stupid comment he has made in the past will be used against him and I don't think his ego can take admitting that he has done anything wrong.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Shelma1 on March 22, 2016, 08:47
For some reason I have never liked Hillary

If Bill was running against Drumpf, would you vote for him?

Been watching John Oliver?  That was a great piece he did on his show.  Hilarious!

Yes...love Oliver. Love him even more after the show licensed one of my illustrations. A very pleasant surprise!
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on March 22, 2016, 09:07
For some reason I have never liked Hillary

If Bill was running against Drumpf, would you vote for him?

I live in Indiana where most people are quite conservative and the state almost always goes Republican.  For that reason we usually have almost no ads for presidential candidates and no visits from the candidates - the Republicans take Indiana for granted and the Democrats don't think it's worth their while.  However, in 2008 Indiana actually was in play and Bill Clinton came to give a talk at nearby West Lafayette High School.  My girlfriend and I went to hear him.  Too bad I wasn't doing stock then or I would have tried to get credentials through SS.

He was an incredible speaker and I finally understood what people meant about his personal magnetism.  I'm a scientist in real life and not easily swayed by charisma, but Bill Clinton really made an impression - it was the best political speech I have ever heard and he gave the feeling of really caring about everyone.  My girlfriend wanted to have his baby (just kidding, but she was impressed).  After hearing him in person I would have definitely voted for him again, despite his stupidity with "that woman", Ms Lewinsky.  By the end of his term the economy was doing well, the budget was running a surplus and he almost got Osama with a missile strike - just think how much of a difference a few hours made in that case.  It's too bad George Bush and crew came in next and trashed the economy.  If Hillary can get in and continue many of the policies of her husband maybe we can start having surpluses again and start to pay down some of the debt that has been accumulating since Reagan.  Much as I don't like Hilary, I would vote for any Clinton over Trump - I cannot imagine any scenario that would cause me to vote for Trump for anything, ever.

BTW, when Reagan was President, Republicans were so in love with him that they wanted to change the Constitution to get rid of Presidential term limits.  By the end of his term the economy was starting to have problems and his dementia was really starting to show so it is doubtful whether he would have been elected again.  However, if they had changed it then Bill would have been able to run again and the US might be a very different country.  It just goes to show that you should be careful what you wish for - Republican shenanigans with the current Supreme Court nominee might come back to bite them in their rears in 20 years.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: YadaYadaYada on March 22, 2016, 11:21
Honest, I'm more worried about what's going on in Europe, Belgium, France and with ISIS. The President becomes a figurehead after the election. People overrate the power and control of one person. It's not like the 1800s
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Pixart on March 22, 2016, 11:37
I am a neighbor to to the North.  I keep comparing Trump to Toronto's Rob Ford (who passed away this morning).  If you don't remember the name he was the obese, crack smoking, heavy drinking, straight shooting, lovable, hateable, football loving kid next door who became Mayor of North America's 4th largest city.   People loved/loathed how utterly real he was and the $hit that came out of his mouth was deliciously entertaining (even more so because I was not longer a Toronto resident).  He got more than his 5 minutes of U.S. Media and tabloid attention - even appeared on Kimmel.  RIP Rob

And how the heck was a baffoon like Rob Ford elected?  They say that he was elected by people that never vote.  I'm afraid this may happen with Trump.  The haters will get off their lazy boys and vote, because for once there is someone who is as much of a racist and misogynist as they are.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: stockastic on March 22, 2016, 12:19
Something similar happened here in Minnesota a few years ago, when we elected former pro wrestler Jesse Ventura as Governor.   Apparently a lot of people thought it would be cool to tell their friends they voted for him.   Actually he was not a bad guy, and he brought some experienced and reasonable people with him to run the government - although as it turned out, he had little interest in doing that himself.

We can elect a celebrity doofus as mayor or Governor and life goes on, because other people can run things for them while they mug for the cameras.   But the Presidency isn't a joke, it's life and death for thousands of people around the world.  You don't vote for some idiot just to "send a message to Washington", that's beyond foolish. 
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Pixart on March 22, 2016, 13:04
This video that was on facebook yesterday reminded me of who is running. 

I am not going to fact check so I may be passing on more propaganda but quite interesting.
https://youtu.be/aAHMJs-jaDY (https://youtu.be/aAHMJs-jaDY)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: PixelBytes on March 22, 2016, 13:47
For some reason I have never liked Hillary

If Bill was running against Drumpf, would you vote for him?

Been watching John Oliver?  That was a great piece he did on his show.  Hilarious!

Yes...love Oliver. Love him even more after the show licensed one of my illustrations. A very pleasant surprise!

Congrats!  Thats a fun surprise to find one of your own on a show you're watching!
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: PixelBytes on March 22, 2016, 13:56
I am a neighbor to to the North.  I keep comparing Trump to Toronto's Rob Ford (who passed away this morning).  If you don't remember the name he was the obese, crack smoking, heavy drinking, straight shooting, lovable, hateable, football loving kid next door who became Mayor of North America's 4th largest city.   People loved/loathed how utterly real he was and the $hit that came out of his mouth was deliciously entertaining (even more so because I was not longer a Toronto resident).  He got more than his 5 minutes of U.S. Media and tabloid attention - even appeared on Kimmel.  RIP Rob

And how the heck was a baffoon like Rob Ford elected?  They say that he was elected by people that never vote.  I'm afraid this may happen with Trump.  The haters will get off their lazy boys and vote, because for once there is someone who is as much of a racist and misogynist as they are.

Rob Ford is DEAD?!!  He was a pretty young guy.  Guess the lifestyle killed him.  But yeah, he is impossible to forget,  charging thru the city assembly like a rhino, looking like Chris Farley on crack.  My favorite line of his was "I got plenty to eat at home".  Sorry to hear the drugs got him (I assume it was drugs?).
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Copidosoma on March 22, 2016, 14:01
I am a neighbor to to the North.  I keep comparing Trump to Toronto's Rob Ford (who passed away this morning).  If you don't remember the name he was the obese, crack smoking, heavy drinking, straight shooting, lovable, hateable, football loving kid next door who became Mayor of North America's 4th largest city.   People loved/loathed how utterly real he was and the $hit that came out of his mouth was deliciously entertaining (even more so because I was not longer a Toronto resident).  He got more than his 5 minutes of U.S. Media and tabloid attention - even appeared on Kimmel.  RIP Rob

And how the heck was a baffoon like Rob Ford elected?  They say that he was elected by people that never vote.  I'm afraid this may happen with Trump.  The haters will get off their lazy boys and vote, because for once there is someone who is as much of a racist and misogynist as they are.


Rob Ford is DEAD?!!  He was a pretty young guy.  Guess the lifestyle killed him.  But yeah, he is impossible to forget,  charging thru the city assembly like a rhino, looking like Chris Farley on crack.  My favorite line of his was "I got plenty to eat at home".  Sorry to hear the drugs got him (I assume it was drugs?).

It was cancer actually.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: PixelBytes on March 22, 2016, 14:13
I am a neighbor to to the North.  I keep comparing Trump to Toronto's Rob Ford (who passed away this morning).  If you don't remember the name he was the obese, crack smoking, heavy drinking, straight shooting, lovable, hateable, football loving kid next door who became Mayor of North America's 4th largest city.   People loved/loathed how utterly real he was and the $hit that came out of his mouth was deliciously entertaining (even more so because I was not longer a Toronto resident).  He got more than his 5 minutes of U.S. Media and tabloid attention - even appeared on Kimmel.  RIP Rob

And how the heck was a baffoon like Rob Ford elected?  They say that he was elected by people that never vote.  I'm afraid this may happen with Trump.  The haters will get off their lazy boys and vote, because for once there is someone who is as much of a racist and misogynist as they are.


Rob Ford is DEAD?!!  He was a pretty young guy.  Guess the lifestyle killed him.  But yeah, he is impossible to forget,  charging thru the city assembly like a rhino, looking like Chris Farley on crack.  My favorite line of his was "I got plenty to eat at home".  Sorry to hear the drugs got him (I assume it was drugs?).

It was cancer actually.

Thanks for explaining.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on March 22, 2016, 16:41
Honest, I'm more worried about what's going on in Europe, Belgium, France and with ISIS. The President becomes a figurehead after the election. People overrate the power and control of one person. It's not like the 1800s

Actually it is like the 1880s  The President has never had much real power - it was designed that way from the beginning.  For example, only Congress can declare war or appropriate funds.  The President proposes a budget, but then Congress will do what they want and if they don't appropriate the money then nothing will happen.  That's why Trump shows a remarkable lack of understanding about how the Government works when he says he will do things that can only be done with the approval of Congress - it is not like being the CEO of your own company.

However, the President is far more than a figurehead and recent Presidents have found ways to get more power for themselves.  A bad President can cause tons of damage, especially if Congress is on their side.  They are in charge of diplomacy with foreign countries and can persuade Congress to do the wrong thing. For example, Bush II talked Congress into invading Iraq with faked evidence about weapons of mass destruction, and also as a personal vendetta against Saddam for a supposed plot to assassinate Bush I.  A figurehead would not be able to lead the country into war.  Who is in charge is very important and those of us who can vote need to take the coming election very seriously.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Leo on March 22, 2016, 17:34
Honest, I'm more worried about what's going on in Europe, Belgium, France and with ISIS. The President becomes a figurehead after the election. People overrate the power and control of one person. It's not like the 1800s

Actually it is like the 1880s  The President has never had much real power - it was designed that way from the beginning.  For example, only Congress can declare war or appropriate funds.  The President proposes a budget, but then Congress will do what they want and if they don't appropriate the money then nothing will happen.  That's why Trump shows a remarkable lack of understanding about how the Government works when he says he will do things that can only be done with the approval of Congress - it is not like being the CEO of your own company.

However, the President is far more than a figurehead and recent Presidents have found ways to get more power for themselves.  A bad President can cause tons of damage, especially if Congress is on their side.  They are in charge of diplomacy with foreign countries and can persuade Congress to do the wrong thing. For example, Bush II talked Congress into invading Iraq with faked evidence about weapons of mass destruction, and also as a personal vendetta against Saddam for a supposed plot to assassinate Bush I.  A figurehead would not be able to lead the country into war.  Who is in charge is very important and those of us who can vote need to take the coming election very seriously.

I appreciate comments like this that mention history, original intentions, and original structure. That is extremely important.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: stockastic on March 22, 2016, 17:37
I don't think it's correct to say that Bush convinced Congress to invade Iraq. Rather, Bush invaded Iraq and later convinced Congress to pass a resolution supporting what he had already done.   Now, with the prospect of an utter fool like Trump as President, we see what a dangerous precedent Bush has set. 
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sgoodwin4813 on March 22, 2016, 17:52
I don't think it's correct to say that Bush convinced Congress to invade Iraq. Rather, Bush invaded Iraq and later convinced Congress to pass a resolution supporting what he had already done.   Now, with the prospect of an utter fool like Trump as President, we see what a dangerous precedent Bush has set.

It depends on the Bush.  The first President Bush deployed troops to the Gulf during the second half of 1990 and then asked Congress for a resolution during January of 1991, after he had the troops there but before entering Iraq.  Bush II convinced Congress to give him his resolution for war during October of 2002 before invading in March of 2003 (can you remember where you were during the whole "shock and awe" spectacle?).  Although it seemed like they both invaded first and asked for resolutions later it isn't exactly true.  However, I agree completely about the precedent and how scary it would be if Trump were in charge.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: stockastic on March 22, 2016, 19:39
I don't think it's correct to say that Bush convinced Congress to invade Iraq. Rather, Bush invaded Iraq and later convinced Congress to pass a resolution supporting what he had already done.   Now, with the prospect of an utter fool like Trump as President, we see what a dangerous precedent Bush has set.

It depends on the Bush.  The first President Bush deployed troops to the Gulf during the second half of 1990 and then asked Congress for a resolution during January of 1991, after he had the troops there but before entering Iraq.  Bush II convinced Congress to give him his resolution for war during October of 2002 before invading in March of 2003 (can you remember where you were during the whole "shock and awe" spectacle?).  Although it seemed like they both invaded first and asked for resolutions later it isn't exactly true.  However, I agree completely about the precedent and how scary it would be if Trump were in charge.

Yes it's coming back to me now.   Bush did get a resolution, although not an actual declaration of war.  By that point the runup was well under way, the drums were pounding and voting against it would have been political suicide.   I'm pretty sure he made it clear the invasion would take place with or without the resolution.   And Congress hadn't declared war against Afghanistan, which we'd already attacked.   The details don't matter, because someone like Trump doesn't care about legalities or historical precedents.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: PixelBytes on March 22, 2016, 20:51
Let's not forget the president's power to appoint Supreme Court justices.  Although congress is getting more and more aggressive and overreaching in it advise and CONSENT function.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: PixelBytes on March 22, 2016, 21:02
This video that was on facebook yesterday reminded me of who is running. 

I am not going to fact check so I may be passing on more propaganda but quite interesting.
https://youtu.be/aAHMJs-jaDY (https://youtu.be/aAHMJs-jaDY)

May I suggest a WARNING that anyone who does not want to look at historic footage of emaciated dead bodies from concentration camps stacked in piles like firewood PASS on watching this one.  :(
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: KnowYourOnions on March 23, 2016, 01:56
Millions Raised and Spent So Far....what a * waste!  :'(
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/election-2016-campaign-money-race.html?ref=politics&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/election-2016-campaign-money-race.html?ref=politics&_r=0)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Chichikov on March 23, 2016, 06:42
https://media.giphy.com/media/l2R0aGz3xItkVZc5O/giphy.gif
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: topol on March 23, 2016, 08:38
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.
Why would Trump be any different?  Do you really think he wont be helping his rich friends and himself get richer?  Are people really that naive? The system doesn't work, it really doesn't matter who makes the false promises before the election.  I wouldn't trust Trump or Clinton, they both have a shady past.

You seriously think he can do it better this way, than from the behind the scene, hidden from the public eye? That's just pure nonsense. You actually likely to erode most of your ability for corruption if you become the world's most watched person. Going thru all this hassle probably means losing influence for a super rich person. If what you said had any truth to it, the last 3 decades would have been about rich businessmen being candidates, and it never happened - for a good reason

Even if his intentions are shady, it's definitely not business. He is solely losing on the business side with this. An overwhelming sense of pride an ego, to achieve everything there is to be achieved would be the best bet... but people who try smear Trump every way possible don't like mention that, because all that urge to prove himself to the world might work out to the benefit of USA in this situation.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: topol on March 23, 2016, 08:42
I don't think it's correct to say that Bush convinced Congress to invade Iraq. Rather, Bush invaded Iraq and later convinced Congress to pass a resolution supporting what he had already done.   Now, with the prospect of an utter fool like Trump as President, we see what a dangerous precedent Bush has set.

Like Obama, doing everything thru executive orders.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: topol on March 23, 2016, 08:52
So people are still buying stories about different sides in high politics knowing that governments budgets are nothing more than corporate or private properties and the countries them self are registered companies ?

Chill down, they are just picking a face thats gonna stare at you from the screen more frequently announcing decision which will empty your pockets more explaing how you are gonna benefit from that in the future.  ;D

How do you know when a politician is lying? answer, their lips are moving. I trust none of them to be doing anything except what is for their own ego, power and financial gain. Noone with any sense would run for President.

I agree, but still ... still curious to see would Bernie be any different.  :-\

It baffles he why anyone thinks Bernie is any more honest than the rest of the politicians. I listened to few hours of him, and he shamelessly hurls up old, worn out hypocrisy after hypocrisy, every second sentence. I guess people are even more simple than I thought. :(
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: topol on March 23, 2016, 08:53
Don't forget - Two-thirds of Trump's wives are/were immigrants.

So what?
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: topol on March 23, 2016, 09:00
Bernie Sanders might be almost as bad for the US as Trump.  High taxes on the rich looks like a good idea but it doesn't work because they get around them and don't pay them.  He wants to spend more and wont be able to get more in.  So the US would soon be in a mess, as the debt is already $19,135,778,280,520 (will be more by the time you read this :) ).  No idea why people would want to implement something that has already been proven not to work?  As the great philosophers Benny Andersson, Björn Ulvaeus and Stig Anderson wrote "The history book on the shelf, is always repeating itself"

Bernie is the worst, even worse than Robot Clinton. The top rich would pay a bit more taxes to save face, not an inch more, so to make up for it, Bernie would tax . out of middle class people to make up for it, most likely totally impoverishing society. All he has to do is make sure his main voting block is told that even families making something like 80 000-150 000+ are some dirty rich top x% ppl, who "need to contribute more"... and from than on, it's gonna be a downward spiral to third world...
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: topol on March 23, 2016, 09:15
Trump likes to talk about winning all the time.  The problem with winning is there is one winner and the rest are losers. 

Trump wins when he kicks an old lady to the curb to build his casino parking lot.  Trump wins when brings in cheap temporary imported labor for his Florida resort.

I'd rather see a politician speak about empowering people and raising up those who are hurting. 

The anger show at his rallies comes from people who are losing.  What makes them think a self centered, megalomaniac greedy businessman who has built his company around creating gilded play-lands for the rich is going to care about them?

He doesn't care about the middle class - the middle class isn't his customer base.

The "anger show"? It's not Trump supporters disrupting other people's rallies, thinking they don't deserve democracy, it's Trump's rallies that are being sabotaged by thugs.

"Trump wins when he kicks an old lady to the curb to build his casino parking lot. "

That's a lie. You are the angry crowd fed by lies. You are juts seeing yourself in the mirror.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Shelma1 on March 23, 2016, 11:42
Trump likes to talk about winning all the time.  The problem with winning is there is one winner and the rest are losers. 

Trump wins when he kicks an old lady to the curb to build his casino parking lot.  Trump wins when brings in cheap temporary imported labor for his Florida resort.

I'd rather see a politician speak about empowering people and raising up those who are hurting. 

The anger show at his rallies comes from people who are losing.  What makes them think a self centered, megalomaniac greedy businessman who has built his company around creating gilded play-lands for the rich is going to care about them?

He doesn't care about the middle class - the middle class isn't his customer base.


The "anger show"? It's not Trump supporters disrupting other people's rallies, thinking they don't deserve democracy, it's Trump's rallies that are being sabotaged by thugs.

"Trump wins when he kicks an old lady to the curb to build his casino parking lot. "

That's a lie. You are the angry crowd fed by lies. You are juts seeing yourself in the mirror.


Lol. Article about woman who fought Trump's attempt to have her house condemned in order to build a parking lot for one of his casinos:

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/kicks-sand-trump-face-sneers-donald-bucks-article-1.815484 (http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/kicks-sand-trump-face-sneers-donald-bucks-article-1.815484)

Those of us who live in the New York area and have been to Atlantic City are long aware of Trump's bullying of the lower and middle classes to put up his buildings.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Zero Talent on March 23, 2016, 11:58
This video that was on facebook yesterday reminded me of who is running. 

I am not going to fact check so I may be passing on more propaganda but quite interesting.
https://youtu.be/aAHMJs-jaDY (https://youtu.be/aAHMJs-jaDY)
This statement made by the CBS CEO tells a similar story (speaking about Trump's media coverage):

It May Not Be Good for America, but It’s * Good for CBS

"Man, who would have expected the ride we’re all having right now?” Moonves said.

“The money’s rolling in and this is fun. I’ve never seen anything like this, and this going to be a very good year for us."

“Sorry. It’s a terrible thing to say. But, bring it on, Donald. Keep going."


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Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on March 23, 2016, 12:00
There's that documentary about him building the golf course in Scotland that's supposed to be good too.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: stockastic on March 23, 2016, 12:13
The U.S. media wants Trump to be elected; it's the political story of a lifetime.  To that end they've given him 10 times the coverage of other candidates - free of charge.  And they'll continue playing ball with him until the election - by running soft-pitch stories like "Trump refuses to back down" instead of going after his ridiculous and inconsistent statements.

But if Trump somehow manages to get elected, that all changes and the media sets out to bring him down.  That's when they'll start to pull all the skeletons out of the closet, and go for his blood.  They'll do their best to push it all the way to impeachment.  It won't be pretty.  Chaos and conflict is what they want, what they sell, and what they know how to create.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: stockastic on March 23, 2016, 13:39
This video that was on facebook yesterday reminded me of who is running. 

I am not going to fact check so I may be passing on more propaganda but quite interesting.
https://youtu.be/aAHMJs-jaDY (https://youtu.be/aAHMJs-jaDY)
This statement made by the CBS CEO tells a similar story (speaking about Trump's media coverage):

It May Not Be Good for America, but It’s * Good for CBS

"Man, who would have expected the ride we’re all having right now?” Moonves said.

“The money’s rolling in and this is fun. I’ve never seen anything like this, and this going to be a very good year for us."

“Sorry. It’s a terrible thing to say. But, bring it on, Donald. Keep going."


Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk

These statements by Moonves are beneath contempt.  I wonder if - even in the jaded world of media greed - he's gotten some pushback by investors on this.  Nah.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: etudiante_rapide on March 23, 2016, 13:41
The U.S. media wants Trump to be elected; it's the political story of a lifetime.  To that end they've given him 10 times the coverage of other candidates - free of charge.  And they'll continue playing ball with him until the election - by running soft-pitch stories like "Trump refuses to back down" instead of going after his ridiculous and inconsistent statements.

But if Trump somehow manages to get elected, that all changes and the media sets out to bring him down.  That's when they'll start to pull all the skeletons out of the closet, and go for his blood.  They'll do their best to push it all the way to impeachment.  It won't be pretty.  Chaos and conflict is what they want, what they sell, and what they know how to create.

the wisest comment on this topic so far.
the real story is not how good trump is, but who brings the most watch-rating.
that's all the US media is interested. they are not out to find the w w w w w of journalism
but selling ads and making big profit.

and yes, after the election, if he wins, they will go for blood...
because that will be the news that sells .
US media is all about that. that's why those lettermen talk-trash shows go on forever...

remember once, the girl who married van halen got an interview
and when she said the marriage is going well, the media stopped asking.

more recently, same thing with jackson browne...
he wanted to talk about the common issues that need to be told,
but when the media heard what it was, they told him to forget it..

that's US media for sure.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: goober on March 23, 2016, 21:06
Many jobs were exported to developing nations and we're now starting to feel the pain.

My suspicion is that Trump is saying all the right things and he looks like an outsider, being attacked from the establishment, but he is in reality just playing a part. A bit like 'hope and change' but this time for the righthand side of politics.

Everyone knows something is wrong and we're heading towards an endgame so the candidates are more extreme, such as Berni and Trump. The death throws are getting more extreme.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: topol on March 24, 2016, 08:14
Trump likes to talk about winning all the time.  The problem with winning is there is one winner and the rest are losers. 

Trump wins when he kicks an old lady to the curb to build his casino parking lot.  Trump wins when brings in cheap temporary imported labor for his Florida resort.

I'd rather see a politician speak about empowering people and raising up those who are hurting. 

The anger show at his rallies comes from people who are losing.  What makes them think a self centered, megalomaniac greedy businessman who has built his company around creating gilded play-lands for the rich is going to care about them?

He doesn't care about the middle class - the middle class isn't his customer base.


The "anger show"? It's not Trump supporters disrupting other people's rallies, thinking they don't deserve democracy, it's Trump's rallies that are being sabotaged by thugs.

"Trump wins when he kicks an old lady to the curb to build his casino parking lot. "

That's a lie. You are the angry crowd fed by lies. You are juts seeing yourself in the mirror.


Lol. Article about woman who fought Trump's attempt to have her house condemned in order to build a parking lot for one of his casinos:

[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/kicks-sand-trump-face-sneers-donald-bucks-article-1.815484[/url] ([url]http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/kicks-sand-trump-face-sneers-donald-bucks-article-1.815484[/url])

Those of us who live in the New York area and have been to Atlantic City are long aware of Trump's bullying of the lower and middle classes to put up his buildings.


no lol. The bulldozing is a total lie, never happened, and the old lady was offered money twice what her house was worth, how is the 'kicking someone to the curb'? Just pure nonsense as always...
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: topol on March 24, 2016, 08:16
Many jobs were exported to developing nations and we're now starting to feel the pain.

My suspicion is that Trump is saying all the right things and he looks like an outsider, being attacked from the establishment, but he is in reality just playing a part. A bit like 'hope and change' but this time for the righthand side of politics.

Everyone knows something is wrong and we're heading towards an endgame so the candidates are more extreme, such as Berni and Trump. The death throws are getting more extreme.

He could be "playing a part".. the rest are for sure playing a part.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: topol on March 24, 2016, 08:39
The U.S. media wants Trump to be elected; it's the political story of a lifetime.  To that end they've given him 10 times the coverage of other candidates - free of charge.  And they'll continue playing ball with him until the election - by running soft-pitch stories like "Trump refuses to back down" instead of going after his ridiculous and inconsistent statements.

But if Trump somehow manages to get elected, that all changes and the media sets out to bring him down.  That's when they'll start to pull all the skeletons out of the closet, and go for his blood.  They'll do their best to push it all the way to impeachment.  It won't be pretty.  Chaos and conflict is what they want, what they sell, and what they know how to create.

Really? Have you read huffpo for example nowadays? How is saying that Trump incites violence, will get someone killed at his rallies, is part of the mob so he should be banned, or this note et the end of each Trump article: "Editor's note: Donald Trump is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist, birther and bully who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims - 1.6 billion members of an entire religion - from entering the U.S."... is "playing ball with him" ? :)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sharpshot on March 24, 2016, 09:18
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.
Why would Trump be any different?  Do you really think he wont be helping his rich friends and himself get richer?  Are people really that naive? The system doesn't work, it really doesn't matter who makes the false promises before the election.  I wouldn't trust Trump or Clinton, they both have a shady past.

You seriously think he can do it better this way, than from the behind the scene, hidden from the public eye? That's just pure nonsense. You actually likely to erode most of your ability for corruption if you become the world's most watched person. Going thru all this hassle probably means losing influence for a super rich person. If what you said had any truth to it, the last 3 decades would have been about rich businessmen being candidates, and it never happened - for a good reason

Even if his intentions are shady, it's definitely not business. He is solely losing on the business side with this. An overwhelming sense of pride an ego, to achieve everything there is to be achieved would be the best bet... but people who try smear Trump every way possible don't like mention that, because all that urge to prove himself to the world might work out to the benefit of USA in this situation.
As president, Trump could lower taxes for the rich and lower taxes for his businesses.  I don't think being president would hinder him in any way, just look at other leaders around the world, many of them use it to increase their wealth.  This week, the multi millionaire George Osborne lowered his taxes while attempting to take money away from disabled people in the UK.

If Trump didn't want to profit from being president, he could pledge to sell his businesses if he got the job.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Chichikov on March 24, 2016, 09:25
The U.S. media wants Trump to be elected; it's the political story of a lifetime.  To that end they've given him 10 times the coverage of other candidates - free of charge.  And they'll continue playing ball with him until the election - by running soft-pitch stories like "Trump refuses to back down" instead of going after his ridiculous and inconsistent statements.

But if Trump somehow manages to get elected, that all changes and the media sets out to bring him down.  That's when they'll start to pull all the skeletons out of the closet, and go for his blood.  They'll do their best to push it all the way to impeachment.  It won't be pretty.  Chaos and conflict is what they want, what they sell, and what they know how to create.

Really? Have you read huffpo for example nowadays? How is saying that Trump incites violence, will get someone killed at his rallies, is part of the mob so he should be banned, or this note et the end of each Trump article: "Editor's note: Donald Trump is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist, birther and bully who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims - 1.6 billion members of an entire religion - from entering the U.S."... is "playing ball with him" ? :)

USA did not wait Trump to ban access to muslin, they banned Cat Stevens (on 21 September 2004) after he converted to Islam and took the name of Yusuf Islam…
Longer boats are coming to win us…

Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: lephotography on March 24, 2016, 09:54
Its pretty bad when your own party does not want you in there. Trump can buy anything he wants.. I think it is another thing he wants to buy. He has been a politician type of person all his life. I think Hilary will make him look bad in the debates. Will be interesting and the entire thing has been a circus. How embarrassing for the USA. SMH
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Nikovsk on March 24, 2016, 12:41
Topol is a breath of fresh air in all this hardcore leftist rhetoric.

By the way, Topol, better just read and be amazed by the sheeple thoughts.

It's far more enjoyable than trying to bring them back to reality.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: stockastic on March 24, 2016, 13:31
The U.S. media wants Trump to be elected; it's the political story of a lifetime.  To that end they've given him 10 times the coverage of other candidates - free of charge.  And they'll continue playing ball with him until the election - by running soft-pitch stories like "Trump refuses to back down" instead of going after his ridiculous and inconsistent statements.

But if Trump somehow manages to get elected, that all changes and the media sets out to bring him down.  That's when they'll start to pull all the skeletons out of the closet, and go for his blood.  They'll do their best to push it all the way to impeachment.  It won't be pretty.  Chaos and conflict is what they want, what they sell, and what they know how to create.

Really? Have you read huffpo for example nowadays? How is saying that Trump incites violence, will get someone killed at his rallies, is part of the mob so he should be banned, or this note et the end of each Trump article: "Editor's note: Donald Trump is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist, birther and bully who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims - 1.6 billion members of an entire religion - from entering the U.S."... is "playing ball with him" ? :)

Playing ball with Trump doesn't mean you're for, or against, him, politically.  It means you give him free publicity that reinforces his image, and you make money by doing it.   Huffington Post churns out  over-the-top political correctness, exaggerating what Trump actually says.  Then they sell the outrage, and Trump gets another soft pitch to hit out of the park.   This is followed by more "Trump refuses to back down" and "Trump stands by his remarks" headlines.  And his numbers go up.

Here's part of what Les Moonves, CEO of CBS, said to an investor gathering in January:
“I’ve never seen anything like this, and this is going to be a very good year for us. Sorry. It’s a terrible thing to say. But, bring it on,  Donald. Keep going."




Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Zero Talent on March 24, 2016, 13:44
Topol is a breath of fresh air in all this hardcore leftist rhetoric.

Nope.
The truth is that, when you exhale such thoughts, the air is far from being fresh, Mr. Jirinovsky/Putin/Trump fan.
This stench is as old as WWII.

Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: topol on March 24, 2016, 14:47
Topol is a breath of fresh air in all this hardcore leftist rhetoric.

Nope.
The truth is that, when you exhale such thoughts, the air is far from being fresh, Mr. Jirinovsky/Putin/Trump fan.
This stench is as old as WWII.

The nazi card - the ultimate escape for hatemongers when they have absolutely no arguments.

btw, do you know who invented this "rethoric" of calling people *, to shut them up when you are loosing an argument? Stalin. That was his advice to his diplomats.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: topol on March 24, 2016, 14:54
The U.S. media wants Trump to be elected; it's the political story of a lifetime.  To that end they've given him 10 times the coverage of other candidates - free of charge.  And they'll continue playing ball with him until the election - by running soft-pitch stories like "Trump refuses to back down" instead of going after his ridiculous and inconsistent statements.

But if Trump somehow manages to get elected, that all changes and the media sets out to bring him down.  That's when they'll start to pull all the skeletons out of the closet, and go for his blood.  They'll do their best to push it all the way to impeachment.  It won't be pretty.  Chaos and conflict is what they want, what they sell, and what they know how to create.


Really? Have you read huffpo for example nowadays? How is saying that Trump incites violence, will get someone killed at his rallies, is part of the mob so he should be banned, or this note et the end of each Trump article: "Editor's note: Donald Trump is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist, birther and bully who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims - 1.6 billion members of an entire religion - from entering the U.S."... is "playing ball with him" ? :)


Playing ball with Trump doesn't mean you're for, or against, him, politically.  It means you give him free publicity that reinforces his image, and you make money by doing it.   Huffington Post churns out  over-the-top political correctness, exaggerating what Trump actually says.  Then they sell the outrage, and Trump gets another soft pitch to hit out of the park.   This is followed by more "Trump refuses to back down" and "Trump stands by his remarks" headlines.  And his numbers go up.

Here's part of what Les Moonves, CEO of CBS, said to an investor gathering in January:
“I’ve never seen anything like this, and this is going to be a very good year for us. Sorry. It’s a terrible thing to say. But, bring it on,  Donald. Keep going."


No, playing ball does mean you are for someone. Few links just to keep away from infinite BS:

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/play--ball (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/play--ball)

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/play-ball (http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/play-ball)

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/play+ball (http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/play+ball)

Trump doesn't get any soft pitches, he just refuses to quit. No one ever got attacked as viciously from all possible mainstream sides as him. If that's a soft pitch for you, I don't what's the hard one.


Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Zero Talent on March 24, 2016, 14:57
Topol is a breath of fresh air in all this hardcore leftist rhetoric.

Nope.
The truth is that, when you exhale such thoughts, the air is far from being fresh, Mr. Jirinovsky/Putin/Trump fan.
This stench is as old as WWII.

The nazi card - the ultimate escape for hatemongers when they have absolutely no arguments.

btw, do you know who invented this "rethoric" of calling people *, to shut them up when you are loosing an argument? Stalin. That was his advice to his diplomats.

Right. Let's add Stalin to your fan club. Because this is exactly what Trump does these days: calling people *, because he never has facts to back-up his statements...Mr. Jirinovsky/Putin/Trump/Stalin fan
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: topol on March 24, 2016, 15:00
Its pretty bad when your own party does not want you in there. Trump can buy anything he wants.. I think it is another thing he wants to buy. He has been a politician type of person all his life. I think Hilary will make him look bad in the debates. Will be interesting and the entire thing has been a circus. How embarrassing for the USA. SMH

Trump isn't, never was, and never will be an actual republican. You just happen have a bit of a narrow choice in the USA if one of your agendas is doing away with political correctness. :) He is destroying the 100% percent corrupt GOP 100% intentionally. You ppl need to grow eyes, form what I'm reading here... yeah, and brains too :))
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: topol on March 24, 2016, 15:01
Topol is a breath of fresh air in all this hardcore leftist rhetoric.

Nope.
The truth is that, when you exhale such thoughts, the air is far from being fresh, Mr. Jirinovsky/Putin/Trump fan.
This stench is as old as WWII.

The nazi card - the ultimate escape for hatemongers when they have absolutely no arguments.

btw, do you know who invented this "rethoric" of calling people *, to shut them up when you are loosing an argument? Stalin. That was his advice to his diplomats.

Right. Let's add Stalin to your fan club. Because this is exactly what Trump does these days: calling people *, because he never has facts to back-up his statements...Mr. Jirinovsky/Putin/Trump/Stalin fan

You are the owner fo your n a z i   c a r d, you pulled it, don't try smear that on me, how is that even come up??
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Zero Talent on March 24, 2016, 15:04
Topol is a breath of fresh air in all this hardcore leftist rhetoric.

Nope.
The truth is that, when you exhale such thoughts, the air is far from being fresh, Mr. Jirinovsky/Putin/Trump fan.
This stench is as old as WWII.

The nazi card - the ultimate escape for hatemongers when they have absolutely no arguments.

btw, do you know who invented this "rethoric" of calling people *, to shut them up when you are loosing an argument? Stalin. That was his advice to his diplomats.

Right. Let's add Stalin to your fan club. Because this is exactly what Trump does these days: calling people *, because he never has facts to back-up his statements...Mr. Jirinovsky/Putin/Trump/Stalin fan

You are the owner fo your n a z i   c a r d, you pulled it, don't try smear that on me, how is that even come up??
You must be living in a bubble with very distorted reflections of yourself, if you don't see the obvious similarities between the 4 "gentlemen" mentioned above. FYI, WWII doesn't only mean extreme nationalism = nazi (despite the indoctrination you might have been subject of, since YOU mentioned it). It means dictatorship, either fascist or communist. It means autocratic "beloved" leaders. It means loss of liberties and freedom. It means police state. It means war.

It means fear.

Or pretty much everything Trump stands and preys for.

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Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Chichikov on March 24, 2016, 15:18
Topol is a breath of fresh air in all this hardcore leftist rhetoric.

Nope.
The truth is that, when you exhale such thoughts, the air is far from being fresh, Mr. Jirinovsky/Putin/Trump fan.
This stench is as old as WWII.

The nazi card - the ultimate escape for hatemongers when they have absolutely no arguments.

btw, do you know who invented this "rethoric" of calling people *, to shut them up when you are loosing an argument? Stalin. That was his advice to his diplomats.

Right. Let's add Stalin to your fan club. Because this is exactly what Trump does these days: calling people *, because he never has facts to back-up his statements...Mr. Jirinovsky/Putin/Trump/Stalin fan

You forgot Le Pen………

and Jeanne d'Arc…
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Zero Talent on March 24, 2016, 15:21
Topol is a breath of fresh air in all this hardcore leftist rhetoric.

Nope.
The truth is that, when you exhale such thoughts, the air is far from being fresh, Mr. Jirinovsky/Putin/Trump fan.
This stench is as old as WWII.

The nazi card - the ultimate escape for hatemongers when they have absolutely no arguments.

btw, do you know who invented this "rethoric" of calling people *, to shut them up when you are loosing an argument? Stalin. That was his advice to his diplomats.

Right. Let's add Stalin to your fan club. Because this is exactly what Trump does these days: calling people *, because he never has facts to back-up his statements...Mr. Jirinovsky/Putin/Trump/Stalin fan

You forgot Le Pen………
Yeah, Le Pen, Geert Wilders... etc
Maintaining proportions, there is a "Trump" in almost every country, but none, except Putin, seems to have so much popular support these days.

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Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: obj owl on March 24, 2016, 16:00
Trump seems non partizan to me, he appears to be pandering to the prejudices of people across the political spectrum and with great success.  What does that say about his view of the American people?
I wouldn't know where Trump stands politically as I have yet to hear a coherent policy being put forward by him.  What does that say about his view of the American people?
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: cascoly on March 24, 2016, 16:43
...
Trump isn't, never was, and never will be an actual republican. You just happen have a bit of a narrow choice in the USA if one of your agendas is doing away with political correctness. :) He is destroying the 100% percent corrupt GOP 100% intentionally. You ppl need to grow eyes, form what I'm reading here... yeah, and brains too :))

despite trump & cruz boasts of not being PC, (and their supporters praising them for 'saying what they can't say') in fact, it's just cover for racist, bigoted and ignorant rantings that SHOULD properly be condemned - something few in the republican party are willing to do
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: goober on March 24, 2016, 20:46
Many jobs were exported to developing nations and we're now starting to feel the pain.

My suspicion is that Trump is saying all the right things and he looks like an outsider, being attacked from the establishment, but he is in reality just playing a part. A bit like 'hope and change' but this time for the righthand side of politics.

Everyone knows something is wrong and we're heading towards an endgame so the candidates are more extreme, such as Berni and Trump. The death throws are getting more extreme.

He could be "playing a part".. the rest are for sure playing a part.

Frankly, I'm over playing my part. I envy the Islanders that I've visited a few times. They don't have Governments tax 50% of their fish and vegetables. They don't have medical and iPads, but they have other freedoms that are quite nice.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: cidepix on March 24, 2016, 21:39
the only way to prove American people are not dumb is to elect Bernie..

he is once in a lifetime opportunity.. Hillary is worse than trump.. at least trump is not pretending to be a "democrat"  :D
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 24, 2016, 21:59
the only way to prove American people are not dumb is to elect Bernie..

he is once in a lifetime opportunity.. Hillary is worse than trump.. at least trump is not pretending to be a "democrat"  :D

The American majority would probably like Bernie, but Americans with intelligence would rather not see him get elected.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: chairboy on March 25, 2016, 13:24
http://www.istockphoto.com/photo/political-pin-promoting-angry-clown-for-president-gm511464134-86652237?st=b8719cc (http://www.istockphoto.com/photo/political-pin-promoting-angry-clown-for-president-gm511464134-86652237?st=b8719cc)

I'm having some made on Monday.  :)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: cascoly on March 25, 2016, 13:32
the only way to prove American people are not dumb is to elect Bernie..

he is once in a lifetime opportunity.. Hillary is worse than trump.. at least trump is not pretending to be a "democrat"  :D

no,  the US has only 2 parities - compared to Europe they are center-right and right wing -  so Hillary is closer to the  traditional democratic party in values & positions - remember in the USA the very label 'socialist' is enough to disqualify a candidate in most of the country.  when we elected a city councilwoman from Seattle's socialist party here it made national news

one of the main benefits of Sanders' campaign is to pull Clinton to the left
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sharpshot on March 26, 2016, 08:44
Just watched the Piers Morgan interview with Trump.  Piers Morgan obviously couldn't question him properly because Trump would of walked out, like he always does when he is asked a difficult question in an interview.  It was a waste of time, Piers Morgan just let him say all the usual lies about the UK.  Trump was trying to tone it down but his ego was still out of control.  All it did was make me like Piers Morgan even less, I thought that wouldn't be possible.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: goober on March 28, 2016, 18:45
Bernie is a bait and switch.

He points to the 1% as the problem but if he gets elected he will tax the stuffing out of everyone but the 1%. Apparently he had his honeymoon in the communist soviet union. It's unbelievable!

The brain boxes will leave the USA.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: stockastic on March 28, 2016, 19:34
Just watched the Piers Morgan interview with Trump.  Piers Morgan obviously couldn't question him properly because Trump would of walked out, like he always does when he is asked a difficult question in an interview.  It was a waste of time, Piers Morgan just let him say all the usual lies about the UK.  Trump was trying to tone it down but his ego was still out of control.  All it did was make me like Piers Morgan even less, I thought that wouldn't be possible. 

The media people are at a loss in trying to deal with Trump.  He doesn't follow the pattern and they don't know how to handle him.  The result is that they follow his script and end up looking foolish.  But I think that's going to change.  If Trump is going to try to make politics into the Jerry Springer show, the media people can play that game too.  They'll adapt and find ways to structure the situation so he loses control and starts to find himself trapped in his own nonsense and contradictions.   Basically, they'll learn how to play him.

He'll find out that there's just as much money to be made in bringing him down as there was in building him up.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 28, 2016, 19:37
Bernie is a bait and switch.

He points to the 1% as the problem but if he gets elected he will tax the stuffing out of everyone but the 1%. Apparently he had his honeymoon in the communist soviet union. It's unbelievable!

The brain boxes will leave the USA.

Bernie already admitted on Bill Maher that he's going to increase taxes for more than just the 1%. He'll likely increase taxes on the top 10% and people earning less. It's a slippery slope. Everyone is a socialist until they start earning a decent salary.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Carmen on March 28, 2016, 20:48
If Trump ends up winning it'll be the biggest PUNK'D America has ever seen! LOL!

The only true that Trump has said so far is that if he wins, Mexicans will pay for a big wall. Of course they will, to stop Americans from entering Mexico running away from Trump's USA

Every country have the government their citizen's deserve. I hope Americans will never deserve to be governed by someone like Donald Clown.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: goober on March 28, 2016, 20:56
There is a podcast/audiobook I listened to a few years ago that was about first generation millionaires. In that audiobook they said that exRussians make the highest proportion of first generation millionaires. Why? I would propose that the brain boxes got out of there when possible and went to the free market.

The basic premise of the book is that if you have a high income and frugality you accumulate wealth over a lifetime. High earners who are high spenders have nothing to show towards then end of their lives. Their children generally live off the parents wealth. Frugal parents limit what they give their children.

The people that are going to 'feel the Bern' will be the high income frugal savers just underneath the 1%. They'll also be the ones who pick up and move elsewhere when it becomes advantageous.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: cascoly on March 29, 2016, 13:49
Bernie is a bait and switch.

He points to the 1% as the problem but if he gets elected he will tax the stuffing out of everyone but the 1%. Apparently he had his honeymoon in the communist soviet union. It's unbelievable!

The brain boxes will leave the USA.

Bernie already admitted on Bill Maher that he's going to increase taxes for more than just the 1%. He'll likely increase taxes on the top 10% and people earning less. It's a slippery slope. Everyone is a socialist until they start earning a decent salary.

top 10% account for > 80% of total income; no  other industrial nation comes close to US income inequality

the bigger question is what we'd get for our taxes.  current laws are skewed to reqard that top 10% without exacting their share of costs.  new taxes could bring us into the 20th century in terms of universal health insurance, social safety net, job creation, etc, etc  rather than rewarding the parasitical financial sector which produces NOTHING

that's the real socialism in the US -- corporations are bailed out when they fail, but keep all the profits when successful
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: cascoly on March 29, 2016, 13:52

....

The basic premise of the book is that if you have a high income and frugality you accumulate wealth over a lifetime. High earners who are high spenders have nothing to show towards then end of their lives. Their children generally live off the parents wealth. Frugal parents limit what they give their children.

The people that are going to 'feel the Bern' will be the high income frugal savers just underneath the 1%. They'll also be the ones who pick up and move elsewhere when it becomes advantageous.

first, a large proportion of that 10% is INHERITED wealth

but bigger factor is that any increased tax is on INCOME not total wealth -- so even doubling the current tax rate on  this 10% would do little harm to their actual wealth or spending
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 29, 2016, 15:39

....

The basic premise of the book is that if you have a high income and frugality you accumulate wealth over a lifetime. High earners who are high spenders have nothing to show towards then end of their lives. Their children generally live off the parents wealth. Frugal parents limit what they give their children.

The people that are going to 'feel the Bern' will be the high income frugal savers just underneath the 1%. They'll also be the ones who pick up and move elsewhere when it becomes advantageous.

first, a large proportion of that 10% is INHERITED wealth

but bigger factor is that any increased tax is on INCOME not total wealth -- so even doubling the current tax rate on  this 10% would do little harm to their actual wealth or spending

I think you mistaken the top 10% for the top 1%. Generalizations like yours is what's wrong with this whole debate. If you make over $110k, you are considered to be in the top 10%. And if you live in the San Francisco Bay Area, that money doesn't get you very far, after 1/3 going to taxes and 1/4 going to rent. And speaking of the Bay Area, a lot of the wealthy people didn't inherit anything here, they're self-made millionaires.

And socialism doesn't create jobs, unless it's in the public sector...because we'll need more people to distribute that extra money. Socialism discourages competition and reduces urgency for everyone. I don't like Corporations getting bailed out as much anyone, but it's just as bad to bail out the parasitic non-productive part of society that also happens to offer nothing other than leech off the productive.

Society need to stop hating on the rich, or you may end up hating yourself one day.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: goober on March 29, 2016, 20:46
Bernie is a bait and switch.

He points to the 1% as the problem but if he gets elected he will tax the stuffing out of everyone but the 1%. Apparently he had his honeymoon in the communist soviet union. It's unbelievable!

The brain boxes will leave the USA.

Bernie already admitted on Bill Maher that he's going to increase taxes for more than just the 1%. He'll likely increase taxes on the top 10% and people earning less. It's a slippery slope. Everyone is a socialist until they start earning a decent salary.

top 10% account for > 80% of total income; no  other industrial nation comes close to US income inequality

the bigger question is what we'd get for our taxes.  current laws are skewed to reqard that top 10% without exacting their share of costs.  new taxes could bring us into the 20th century in terms of universal health insurance, social safety net, job creation, etc, etc  rather than rewarding the parasitical financial sector which produces NOTHING

that's the real socialism in the US -- corporations are bailed out when they fail, but keep all the profits when successful

There is corruption at the top level. I think we all realise this. Banks and Governments are in bed. Do you really think Bernie is going to remove the Reserves Banks fractional reserve money printing and give us sound money? Do you think he'll get all that bailout money back to the people? No. He wants communism or socialism (communism lite).

Socialism is like a compressor on the middle class. Every year that you apply the compressor you get slightly less productivity. For the first few decades society seems better off and more cohesive but eventually more people join the taking side of the ledger and then there's not enough taxes to pay for everyones entitlements.

Let everyone keep more of what they produce and you'll see more productivity.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: goober on March 29, 2016, 21:03

....

The basic premise of the book is that if you have a high income and frugality you accumulate wealth over a lifetime. High earners who are high spenders have nothing to show towards then end of their lives. Their children generally live off the parents wealth. Frugal parents limit what they give their children.

The people that are going to 'feel the Bern' will be the high income frugal savers just underneath the 1%. They'll also be the ones who pick up and move elsewhere when it becomes advantageous.

first, a large proportion of that 10% is INHERITED wealth

but bigger factor is that any increased tax is on INCOME not total wealth -- so even doubling the current tax rate on  this 10% would do little harm to their actual wealth or spending

In this tax on INCOME scenario, the 10% who inherited wealth would be better off sitting on their wealth rather than risking it in the economy, trying to be productive, which means less taxes.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Sean Locke Photography on March 29, 2016, 21:05
"The media people are at a loss in trying to deal with Trump.  He doesn't follow the pattern and they don't know how to handle him. "

All they have to do is show him talking.  Every time he speaks, I can't believe how stupid he sounds.  Last night, I caught a clip, and as usual, everything was "tremendous".  It's like a drinking game.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: goober on March 29, 2016, 21:16
"The media people are at a loss in trying to deal with Trump.  He doesn't follow the pattern and they don't know how to handle him. "

All they have to do is show him talking.  Every time he speaks, I can't believe how stupid he sounds.  Last night, I caught a clip, and as usual, everything was "tremendous".  It's like a drinking game.

I think GWBush was worse.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: PixelBytes on March 29, 2016, 21:18
"The media people are at a loss in trying to deal with Trump.  He doesn't follow the pattern and they don't know how to handle him. "

All they have to do is show him talking.  Every time he speaks, I can't believe how stupid he sounds.  Last night, I caught a clip, and as usual, everything was "tremendous".  It's like a drinking game.

I think GWBush was worse.

Can we agree they're both idiots? 
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: goober on March 29, 2016, 21:54
Trump wants to make America great again. What made America great? Protestant Christianity, Calvinism in particular, gave rise to these ideas which were put into practice:

Private ownership of land and property rather than serfdom or slavery was preferable.
Doing right by your neighbour as you would have them do to you allows businesses to flourish.
Unjust scales and weights were an abomination. No fractional reserve money printing.
Charity was voluntary and nobody gives more than protestant Christians.
Husbands loving wives and wives respecting husbands, working together, statistically eliminates poverty.
Protestant work ethic produces prosperity.
Families and Churches take care of elders, widows and orphans - everyone else works.
Limited government and taxation needed due to people taking care of themselves and those around them.
Less sins like murder and theft means less destruction and cost to the community.
Not bearing false witness allows innocent people to live peacefully without fear of retribution.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: PixelBytes on March 30, 2016, 00:42
Trump wants to make America great again. What made America great? Protestant Christianity, Calvinism in particular, gave rise to these ideas which were put into practice:

Private ownership of land and property rather than serfdom or slavery was preferable.
Doing right by your neighbour as you would have them do to you allows businesses to flourish.
Unjust scales and weights were an abomination. No fractional reserve money printing.
Charity was voluntary and nobody gives more than protestant Christians.
Husbands loving wives and wives respecting husbands, working together, statistically eliminates poverty.
Protestant work ethic produces prosperity.
Families and Churches take care of elders, widows and orphans - everyone else works.
Limited government and taxation needed due to people taking care of themselves and those around them.
Less sins like murder and theft means less destruction and cost to the community.
Not bearing false witness allows innocent people to live peacefully without fear of retribution.

You and I read different history books.  The founders fled Europe because of religious persecution.   That's why they included the clause in the Constitution prohibiting the establishment of a State religion, commonly referred to as separation of church and state.   The pledge of allegiance did not include the words Under God until the 1950s.  A protestant theocracy was the LAST thing US founders wanted. 

Not to mention that most of the values  you list and attribute to protestantism date back as far as Hammurabi's Code, The Ten Commandments, and Catholicism, all of which predated Martin Luther's Theses and the start of Protestantism by thousands of years.

If you want to live under a theocracy, may I suggest Iran? 
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: goober on March 30, 2016, 02:40
Trump wants to make America great again. What made America great? Protestant Christianity, Calvinism in particular, gave rise to these ideas which were put into practice:

Private ownership of land and property rather than serfdom or slavery was preferable.
Doing right by your neighbour as you would have them do to you allows businesses to flourish.
Unjust scales and weights were an abomination. No fractional reserve money printing.
Charity was voluntary and nobody gives more than protestant Christians.
Husbands loving wives and wives respecting husbands, working together, statistically eliminates poverty.
Protestant work ethic produces prosperity.
Families and Churches take care of elders, widows and orphans - everyone else works.
Limited government and taxation needed due to people taking care of themselves and those around them.
Less sins like murder and theft means less destruction and cost to the community.
Not bearing false witness allows innocent people to live peacefully without fear of retribution.


You and I read different history books.  The founders fled Europe because of religious persecution.   That's why they included the clause in the Constitution prohibiting the establishment of a State religion, commonly referred to as separation of church and state.   The pledge of allegiance did not include the words Under God until the 1950s.  A protestant theocracy was the LAST thing US founders wanted. 

Not to mention that most of the values  you list and attribute to protestantism date back as far as Hammurabi's Code, The Ten Commandments, and Catholicism, all of which predated Martin Luther's Theses and the start of Protestantism by thousands of years.

If you want to live under a theocracy, may I suggest Iran?


I don't want a theocracy. I want people to be salted by the influence and ideas of protestant Christianity. So instead of 'beggar thy neighbour' which is what we have now, we can have some of the values mentioned above.

I agree that the State and Religion should be separate entities or you end up with situations like Sharia Law or the Holy Roman Empire, both of which were terrible to live under.

I happened to listen to this today. It's not on the topic of the founders but it addresses foundations for culture.
http://rzim.org/let-my-people-think-broadcasts/if-the-foundations-be-destroyed-part-2-of-2 (http://rzim.org/let-my-people-think-broadcasts/if-the-foundations-be-destroyed-part-2-of-2)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: dpimborough on March 30, 2016, 03:20
I think Donald Trump is great!

Just what the establishment needs a good kick up the pants to the vested interests

And he's actually more liberal than Cruz

 :)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Zero Talent on March 30, 2016, 07:27
Trump wants to make America great again. What made America great? Protestant Christianity, Calvinism in particular, gave rise to these ideas which were put into practice:

Private ownership of land and property rather than serfdom or slavery was preferable.
Doing right by your neighbour as you would have them do to you allows businesses to flourish.
Unjust scales and weights were an abomination. No fractional reserve money printing.
Charity was voluntary and nobody gives more than protestant Christians.
Husbands loving wives and wives respecting husbands, working together, statistically eliminates poverty.
Protestant work ethic produces prosperity.
Families and Churches take care of elders, widows and orphans - everyone else works.
Limited government and taxation needed due to people taking care of themselves and those around them.
Less sins like murder and theft means less destruction and cost to the community.
Not bearing false witness allows innocent people to live peacefully without fear of retribution.
These are fairy tales. Pixelbytes is right.

What made America great was a long period of true economical freedom (long gone now).
A period when private initiatives, entrepreneurship, new ideas could flourish unincombered by taxation, regulations and other bureaucratic government interventions.


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Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Nikovsk on March 30, 2016, 09:24
What made America great was a long period of true economical freedom (long gone now).
A period when private initiatives, entrepreneurship, new ideas could flourish unincombered by taxation, regulations and other bureaucratic government interventions.

Exactly and the closest candidate of this concept, although still far away, is Trump. Sanders would turn the US into Venezuela but at least he has excellent foreign policy. Cruz, Kasich and Clinton are basically the same as Bush/Obama, all bought and paid for by the establishment. With the exception that Clinton is a proven criminal that helped destroy Syria and Libya. Expect more wars, more debt and more government with those three. I'd rather try something new - Trump or even Sanders as a last resort.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Zero Talent on March 30, 2016, 09:54
What made America great was a long period of true economical freedom (long gone now).
A period when private initiatives, entrepreneurship, new ideas could flourish unencumbered by taxation, regulations and other bureaucratic government interventions.

Exactly and the closest candidate of this concept, although still far away, is Trump.

What? No way, not even close (it only applies, if you are a white, US born, non-Muslim, male who likes Trump)
Maybe Cruz, with his flat tax, comes somewhat closer to that concept.
However, for both, their standing on social liberties is appalling and a danger, because social liberties are a precursor, a requirement and an enabler for economical freedom and prosperity.
What America needs is a new political breed, a combination between democrat social liberties and republican economical policies, with a brand new, non-interventionist, less costly, foreign policy.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Nikovsk on March 30, 2016, 10:24
Cruz was pro-amnesty as a senator and now wants to build a wall. How can anyone believe him, especially being sponsored by Goldman Sachs? He's owned and will do what he's told to do, just like Bush and Obama. What's needed is a smart libertarian government. But we don't have many realistic options now have we?

Trump understands economy more than all the others combined, his 35% tax on foreign goods from specific countries would create millions of jobs for anybody who's willing to work. His crackdown on illegal immigration would benefit lower class citizens more than anyone else. Only the free-crap army won't like it.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Zero Talent on March 30, 2016, 11:05
Trump understands economy more than all the others combined, his 35% tax on foreign goods from specific countries would create millions of jobs for anybody who's willing to work. His crackdown on illegal immigration would benefit lower class citizens more than anyone else. Only the free-crap army won't like it.

These are far from being libertarian concepts!
Trump promotes protectionism and isolation, instead of free trade. Protectionism protects jobs in inefficient parts of the economy. This leads to less choices, lower quality products for higher prices. Consumers will end up subsidizing these "protected" labor intensive jobs.

Free trade creates jobs in the areas where US is strong and competitive and consumers benefit from it.

I said it before, when China gets US dollars for performing manufacturing jobs with with no qualification required, they must spend these dollars on something. They will spend these dollars on american goods and services, with a lot of embedded intelligence, creating high quality jobs, and stimulating american workers to continuously improve their qualifications.

Taxation of foreign goods will promote inefficiency instead of stimulating american competitiveness.

Free trade means progress, prosperity, peace.

So that "job creation" is a HUGE fallacy like all other HUGE things Trump promotes.
And BTW, Sanders is equally wrong on this topic.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Nikovsk on March 30, 2016, 13:10
When did I say Trump was a libertarian? Of course he isn't. Now look at US data, there is a giant unemployment and vast majority of new jobs being created don't require qualification (waiters, bartenders) while new high paying jobs for qualificated people are minimal. You can't compare the free market US during the 1800's with a globalized world. Free market today is impossible because you cannot compete with chinese wages. US will never be competitive unless it becomes a third world country - it's well on it's way though.

And yes goods would cost more, but US currently has the cheapest electronics in the world. It's a small price to pay for more jobs in the economy and less people on food stamps. What we have today is not working for anybody except for the elite. Anyway, I don't think Trump could ever "make america great again" because it's broken beyond repair. I just don't want to see another war close to me... and while Sanders would be a disaster for the US he wouldn't force government change so I'd also vote for him anytime over the establishment.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 30, 2016, 13:14
Trump understands economy more than all the others combined, his 35% tax on foreign goods from specific countries would create millions of jobs for anybody who's willing to work. His crackdown on illegal immigration would benefit lower class citizens more than anyone else. Only the free-crap army won't like it.

These are far from being libertarian concepts!
Trump promotes protectionism and isolation, instead of free trade. Protectionism protects jobs in inefficient parts of the economy. This leads to less choices, lower quality products for higher prices. Consumers will end up subsidizing these "protected" labor intensive jobs.

Free trade creates jobs in the areas where US is strong and competitive and consumers benefit from it.

I said it before, when China gets US dollars for performing manufacturing jobs with with no qualification required, they must spend these dollars on something. They will spend these dollars on american goods and services, with a lot of embedded intelligence, creating high quality jobs, and stimulating american workers to continuously improve their qualifications.

Taxation of foreign goods will promote inefficiency instead of stimulating american competitiveness.

Free trade means progress, prosperity, peace.

So that "job creation" is a HUGE fallacy like all other HUGE things Trump promotes.
And BTW, Sanders is equally wrong on this topic.

Even you don't believe that Trump will impose a 35% tax. I don't believe it. He's just saying it to get support.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Zero Talent on March 30, 2016, 14:26
US will never be competitive unless it becomes a third world country - it's well on it's way though.

You are wrong. US is competitive/innovative in a lot of areas. Think only about Apple, Microsoft, Intel, Boeing, Tesla, Uber, AirBnb, etc

I said it before: a lawyer is better off spending his time being a successful lawyer, instead of typing letters, even when he is better at typing than his secretary, let alone when his secretary is a better typist.

Now replace "lawyer" with US and "secretary" with China. The lawyer doesn't have to compete with his secretary on typing letters. Similarly US doesn't have to compete with China on manufacturing t-shirts.

US must keep on being strong in innovation, design, future technologies etc, or things the whole world is ready to pay big bucks for.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: stockastic on March 30, 2016, 14:54
I think Donald Trump is great!

Just what the establishment needs a good kick up the pants to the vested interests

And he's actually more liberal than Cruz

 :)

Except that in the dictionary, under "vested interest", it says "see Trump, Donald".   

Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Nikovsk on March 30, 2016, 14:56
Yes it's competitive in a few sectors of the economy that happens to hire very few people.
You cannot have a 300 million population country based on technology sector.

By the way Boeing just fired more than 4,500 workers.
Unemployment is getting higher and higher, poverty is going up very quickly. It's not working.

There are not enough jobs that require qualification, and no environment encouraging small businesses.
People are sick and tired of cronyism and that's why they're flocking to Trump and Sanders.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Zero Talent on March 30, 2016, 15:15
Yes it's competitive in a few sectors of the economy that happens to hire very few people.
You cannot have a 300 million population country based on technology sector.

By the way Boeing just fired more than 4,500 workers.
Unemployment is getting higher and higher, poverty is going up very quickly. It's not working.

There are not enough jobs that require qualification, and no environment encouraging small businesses.
People are sick and tired of cronyism and that's why they're flocking to Trump and Sanders.

As long as China accepts US dollars in exchange for t-shirts, it means they need American products to spend their dollars on (unless they are fine working for free). Creating those american products require better jobs than t-shirt manufacturing, "believe me" (as Trump loves to say, when he doesn't have arguments, lol  :)

These simple economical facts seems to elude the understanding of Trump the economical expert, "believe me"

And all stats shows a rather decent level of unemployment in US compared with other economies, but for Trump even small numbers are HUGE (he said unemployment is 42%, lol)

Trump, Feb. 9: I am going to be the greatest jobs president that God ever created. Remember that. Don’t believe those phony numbers, when you hear 4.9 and 5% unemployment.

The number’s probably 28, 29, as high as 35. In fact, I even heard recently 42%. Do you think we’d have gatherings like this if we had, if we had 5% unemployment, do you really think we’d have these gatherings?
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Nikovsk on March 30, 2016, 15:43
Employment rate is 58% so yes 42% of the working age population (16-64) is not working.
Obviously it doesn't mean 42% unemployment. But in 2008 the employment rate was at 64%.

Therefore, more than 14 million people stopped working since 2008.
But somehow the official unemployment rate is the same as it was 8 years ago.

If you believe the real unemployment is 5% you are very naive. Good debate though.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: topol on March 30, 2016, 16:41
Topol is a breath of fresh air in all this hardcore leftist rhetoric.

Nope.
The truth is that, when you exhale such thoughts, the air is far from being fresh, Mr. Jirinovsky/Putin/Trump fan.
This stench is as old as WWII.

The nazi card - the ultimate escape for hatemongers when they have absolutely no arguments.

btw, do you know who invented this "rethoric" of calling people *, to shut them up when you are loosing an argument? Stalin. That was his advice to his diplomats.

Right. Let's add Stalin to your fan club. Because this is exactly what Trump does these days: calling people *, because he never has facts to back-up his statements...Mr. Jirinovsky/Putin/Trump/Stalin fan

You are the owner fo your n a z i   c a r d, you pulled it, don't try smear that on me, how is that even come up??
You must be living in a bubble with very distorted reflections of yourself, if you don't see the obvious similarities between the 4 "gentlemen" mentioned above. FYI, WWII doesn't only mean extreme nationalism = nazi (despite the indoctrination you might have been subject of, since YOU mentioned it). It means dictatorship, either fascist or communist. It means autocratic "beloved" leaders. It means loss of liberties and freedom. It means police state. It means war.

It means fear.

Or pretty much everything Trump stands and preys for.

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Communism didn't start with WWII, at least get your basic history right before you go off an uneducated rant. Marx published "the ideology" around 1840, USSR formed in 1922... so the rest is jut nonsense, the dictatorial political force that started the war was the *, nobody else. Tipical, the one who knows next to nothing about what he's talking about is the first to throw around "indoctrination" :)

On the same page: Trump is the most anti war candidate next to Bernie... and this meme of comparing him to na z i s , hitler, was invented by marketing ppl hired by the big money establishment, targetting the most unreasonable, emotion driven, angry leftist voters.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: topol on March 30, 2016, 16:48
Yes it's competitive in a few sectors of the economy that happens to hire very few people.
You cannot have a 300 million population country based on technology sector.

By the way Boeing just fired more than 4,500 workers.
Unemployment is getting higher and higher, poverty is going up very quickly. It's not working.

There are not enough jobs that require qualification, and no environment encouraging small businesses.
People are sick and tired of cronyism and that's why they're flocking to Trump and Sanders.

As long as China accepts US dollars in exchange for t-shirts, it means they need American products to spend their dollars on (unless they are fine working for free). Creating those american products require better jobs than t-shirt manufacturing, "believe me" (as Trump loves to say, when he doesn't have arguments, lol  :)

These simple economical facts seems to elude the understanding of Trump the economical expert, "believe me"

And all stats shows a rather decent level of unemployment in US compared with other economies, but for Trump even small numbers are HUGE (he said unemployment is 42%, lol)

Trump, Feb. 9: I am going to be the greatest jobs president that God ever created. Remember that. Don’t believe those phony numbers, when you hear 4.9 and 5% unemployment.

The number’s probably 28, 29, as high as 35. In fact, I even heard recently 42%. Do you think we’d have gatherings like this if we had, if we had 5% unemployment, do you really think we’d have these gatherings?


You don't even know the very basics about currencies.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: topol on March 30, 2016, 17:00
Bernie is a bait and switch.

He points to the 1% as the problem but if he gets elected he will tax the stuffing out of everyone but the 1%. Apparently he had his honeymoon in the communist soviet union. It's unbelievable!

The brain boxes will leave the USA.

I can't even fathom how how simple you have to be to think he is less of hypocrite than the rest of the politicians. Bernie The Bomber, posing with killer mike going for the minority vote, and riding phoney nonexistent issues like the gender wage gap. Bernie exposes how ppl are just ultra-mega-giga dupes.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Zero Talent on March 30, 2016, 17:45
Topol is a breath of fresh air in all this hardcore leftist rhetoric.

Nope.
The truth is that, when you exhale such thoughts, the air is far from being fresh, Mr. Jirinovsky/Putin/Trump fan.
This stench is as old as WWII.

The nazi card - the ultimate escape for hatemongers when they have absolutely no arguments.

btw, do you know who invented this "rethoric" of calling people *, to shut them up when you are loosing an argument? Stalin. That was his advice to his diplomats.

Right. Let's add Stalin to your fan club. Because this is exactly what Trump does these days: calling people *, because he never has facts to back-up his statements...Mr. Jirinovsky/Putin/Trump/Stalin fan

You are the owner fo your n a z i   c a r d, you pulled it, don't try smear that on me, how is that even come up??
You must be living in a bubble with very distorted reflections of yourself, if you don't see the obvious similarities between the 4 "gentlemen" mentioned above. FYI, WWII doesn't only mean extreme nationalism = nazi (despite the indoctrination you might have been subject of, since YOU mentioned it). It means dictatorship, either fascist or communist. It means autocratic "beloved" leaders. It means loss of liberties and freedom. It means police state. It means war.

It means fear.

Or pretty much everything Trump stands and preys for.

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Communism didn't start with WWII, at least get your basic history right before you go off an uneducated rant. Marx published "the ideology" around 1840, USSR formed in 1922... so the rest is jut nonsense, the dictatorial political force that started the war was the *, nobody else. Tipical, the one who knows next to nothing about what he's talking about is the first to throw around "indoctrination" :)

On the same page: Trump is the most anti war candidate next to Bernie... and this meme of comparing him to na z i s , hitler, was invented by marketing ppl hired by the big money establishment, targetting the most unreasonable, emotion driven, angry leftist voters.

The indoctrination I'm talking about is the belief that WWII means only fascism.
No, this is wrong.
The whole Eastern Europe associates WWII with communism. Actually there is a strong movement asking to stop celebrating May 9th, 1945 as "Victory Day". There was no victory in 1945, when half of Europe was occupied and force fed communism, by the red army.

The real end of WWII happened in 1989, with the fall of the Berlin wall (wall? sounds familiar?), fall of communism and the end of dictatorships in Eastern Europe.

And BTW, speaking about who started it, WWII only started after the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact, when Stalin gave Hitler the green-light to proceed with his war, in exchange for territories from the Baltic states, Romania, etc.

This is why WWII means both fascism AND communism. Two faces of the same coin.
Not so much different than the "Trump" coin, even if you continue to hide your head in the sand, blaming others ("angry leftist voters", lol) for the obvious.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: cascoly on March 30, 2016, 18:16
first, a large proportion of that 10% is INHERITED wealth

but bigger factor is that any increased tax is on INCOME not total wealth -- so even doubling the current tax rate on  this 10% would do little harm to their actual wealth or spending

I think you mistaken the top 10% for the top 1%. Generalizations like yours is what's wrong with this whole debate. If you make over $110k, you are considered to be in the top 10%. And if you live in the San Francisco Bay Area, that money doesn't get you very far

I was referring to top 10% of NET WORTH not annual income being mostly inherited.

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And socialism doesn't create jobs, unless it's in the public sector...because we'll need more people to distribute that extra money. Socialism discourages competition and reduces urgency for everyone. I don't like Corporations getting bailed out as much anyone, but it's just as bad to bail out the parasitic non-productive part of society that also happens to offer nothing other than leech off the productive.

Society need to stop hating on the rich, or you may end up hating yourself one day.

nonsense - all the industrial nations of Europe have some form of socialism - rather than demonizing it like the right wing does here in the US, European nations h ave taken a variety of socialist positions and have created jobs while doing so

it's not a matter of hating the rich - it's making our GDP work -- when we bailed out the banks, they were supposed to feed that capital back into the market, but they didn't -- instead we should have let their stock go to $0, hitting the speculators, and turned their bonds into new stock with the govt preventing bankruptcies if need be -- that way those responsible for the recession would have paid for it, and the govt could recover its investments if the banks reorganized and showed a profit

I'm much less concerned about a few people on the bottom of the income well 'taking advantage' than those who skim BILLIONS from the top without contributing to the economy
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: cascoly on March 30, 2016, 18:24

In this tax on INCOME scenario, the 10% who inherited wealth would be better off sitting on their wealth rather than risking it in the economy, trying to be productive, which means less taxes.

depends what their wealth is - if they make 10% a year on $10 million they would pay a LOT more than they do now on that $1 income from 'rents'

if passive income were taxed the same as productive uses, there'd be incentives to invest;  if there were additional incentives for real job creation  there'd be even more

that's how 'socialism' can work in a capitalist market
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: cascoly on March 30, 2016, 18:31

.....

I agree that the State and Religion should be separate entities or you end up with situations like Sharia Law or the Holy Roman Empire, both of which were terrible to live under.


you really do need to read a bit more history -- the Holy Roman Empire didn't cause half the problems that your protestant revolution did  -- climaxing in the 30 years war that wiped out large chunks of Europe

and meanwhile average life in the Ottoman empire bettered that of most of Europe - certainly wrt religious tolerance - eg, when Spain threw out the Jews, they found new homes and prospered in the Ottoman Empire
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: cascoly on March 30, 2016, 18:35

.....

These are fairy tales. Pixelbytes is right.

What made America great was a long period of true economical freedom (long gone now).
A period when private initiatives, entrepreneurship, new ideas could flourish unincombered by taxation, regulations and other bureaucratic government interventions.

 

forgetting perhaps that 'gilded age' of free enterprise and robber barons also caused bank panics and recessions and depression every decade culminating in the Great Depression -- the US only REALLY prospered as a whole after the New Deal running peaking the 1950s and 60s  (when we had 70%+ tax rates, SEC, separation of baning from speculation,etc, etc)  Govt oversight was a major factor in prosperity
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: cascoly on March 30, 2016, 18:38
. With the exception that Clinton is a proven criminal that helped destroy Syria and Libya. Expect more wars, more debt and more government with those three. ....


absolute nonsense - the mideastern problems were created by Bush & Rumsfeld who lied about WMD and promised the war would be short and pay for itself -- instead 20 years later we're still dealing with Bush's disastrous foreign policy
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Zero Talent on March 30, 2016, 18:53

.....

These are fairy tales. Pixelbytes is right.

What made America great was a long period of true economical freedom (long gone now).
A period when private initiatives, entrepreneurship, new ideas could flourish unincombered by taxation, regulations and other bureaucratic government interventions.

 

forgetting perhaps that 'gilded age' of free enterprise and robber barons also caused bank panics and recessions and depression every decade culminating in the Great Depression -- the US only REALLY prospered as a whole after the New Deal running peaking the 1950s and 60s  (when we had 70%+ tax rates, SEC, separation of baning from speculation,etc, etc)  Govt oversight was a major factor in prosperity

Here is more about the Rubber Baron myth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmzZ8lCLhlk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmzZ8lCLhlk)

and the Great Depression myth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObiIp8TKaLs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObiIp8TKaLs)

It is recommended to spend a few minutes to try to understand that there are different explanations than what is commonly heard from the "leftist" media

Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: goober on March 30, 2016, 19:11
Trump wants to make America great again. What made America great? Protestant Christianity, Calvinism in particular, gave rise to these ideas which were put into practice:

Private ownership of land and property rather than serfdom or slavery was preferable.
Doing right by your neighbour as you would have them do to you allows businesses to flourish.
Unjust scales and weights were an abomination. No fractional reserve money printing.
Charity was voluntary and nobody gives more than protestant Christians.
Husbands loving wives and wives respecting husbands, working together, statistically eliminates poverty.
Protestant work ethic produces prosperity.
Families and Churches take care of elders, widows and orphans - everyone else works.
Limited government and taxation needed due to people taking care of themselves and those around them.
Less sins like murder and theft means less destruction and cost to the community.
Not bearing false witness allows innocent people to live peacefully without fear of retribution.
These are fairy tales. Pixelbytes is right.

What made America great was a long period of true economical freedom (long gone now).
A period when private initiatives, entrepreneurship, new ideas could flourish unincombered by taxation, regulations and other bureaucratic government interventions.


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There are secular historians who acknowledge the influence of Calvanism, the puritans and the great awakenings on America even if they don't believe in the tenets of protestant Christianity.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: goober on March 30, 2016, 20:00

In this tax on INCOME scenario, the 10% who inherited wealth would be better off sitting on their wealth rather than risking it in the economy, trying to be productive, which means less taxes.

depends what their wealth is - if they make 10% a year on $10 million they would pay a LOT more than they do now on that $1 income from 'rents'

if passive income were taxed the same as productive uses, there'd be incentives to invest;  if there were additional incentives for real job creation  there'd be even more

that's how 'socialism' can work in a capitalist market

Passive income is being taxed. Negative interests rates. Property taxes. Stamp duties. Capital Gains Tax. If you buy some farmland or gold and you do nothing with it but own it and the government sanctions money printing causing inflation you lose a percentage when you realise those gains by selling the land or gold. The government sticks their big tax hand out and says we'll have up to 40% depending on the gain or time you held it.

Inflation education
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyVmWgdIAmY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyVmWgdIAmY)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Hongover on March 30, 2016, 20:38
nonsense - all the industrial nations of Europe have some form of socialism - rather than demonizing it like the right wing does here in the US, European nations h ave taken a variety of socialist positions and have created jobs while doing so

it's not a matter of hating the rich - it's making our GDP work -- when we bailed out the banks, they were supposed to feed that capital back into the market, but they didn't -- instead we should have let their stock go to $0, hitting the speculators, and turned their bonds into new stock with the govt preventing bankruptcies if need be -- that way those responsible for the recession would have paid for it, and the govt could recover its investments if the banks reorganized and showed a profit

I'm much less concerned about a few people on the bottom of the income well 'taking advantage' than those who skim BILLIONS from the top without contributing to the economy

The banks make up a tiny percentage of ALL industries. Yes, they benefited, but that's no longer the point. That has nothing to do with the current issue at hand. The issue here is whether America should be a socialist country and the the answer is NO.

America already has socialist programs. Welfare, public housing, food assistant and various other public programs. Our GDP is fine as it is, socialism would destroy it. It would destroy all that is good about the United States. Ever since the implementation of socialism, what the good came out of England? What good came out of France? What exports do they have? What innovations do they have? I can't think of anything.

American capitalism is the reason why we have so much innovation and so much progress. Every Windows machine, ever Macbook, every iPhone and every Android phone originated in the US because Capitalism encourages competition, entrepreneurship and innovation. Socialism would destroy much of that entrepreneurship.

Socialism encourages laziness and entitlement. Capitalism benefits the intelligent and hard working. This country doesn't need socialism, a system that's quite good at spreading misery to everyone except for the parasites of society.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: goober on March 30, 2016, 21:00

.....

I agree that the State and Religion should be separate entities or you end up with situations like Sharia Law or the Holy Roman Empire, both of which were terrible to live under.


you really do need to read a bit more history -- the Holy Roman Empire didn't cause half the problems that your protestant revolution did  -- climaxing in the 30 years war that wiped out large chunks of Europe

and meanwhile average life in the Ottoman empire bettered that of most of Europe - certainly wrt religious tolerance - eg, when Spain threw out the Jews, they found new homes and prospered in the Ottoman Empire

It was Roman Catholics that kicked out the Jews and they didn't all go to the Ottoman Empire. Many went to the Netherlands and north Africa.

The thirty years war was started by the Catholic Ferdinnand II oppressing the protestants of the North when his predecessor had been comparably tolerant.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sharpshot on March 31, 2016, 05:51
... Ever since the implementation of socialism, what the good came out of England?....

Historically, the greatest inventors came from Scotland, they would probably prefer you call it the UK than England.  Since Margaret Thatcher became prime minister in 1979, socialism in the UK was virtually wiped out.  Labour did try and revive it but apart from the NHS, we are much closer to the US on the political spectrum than in the 1970's.  We do have our version of Bernie Sanders leading the Labour party now but he is unpopular in his own party and might not make it to the next election.

Something good has come out of England in recent times.  Apart from the inventor of the world wide web, without whom we might not be having this discussion, I think graphene is about as spectacular as we will see this century. http://www.graphene.manchester.ac.uk/ (http://www.graphene.manchester.ac.uk/)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Pixart on March 31, 2016, 10:59
Sorry to get back to Trump, I'm sure you saw this yesterday, but....

"Donald Trump said Wednesday that abortions should be banned and that there "has to be some form of punishment" for women who undergo the procedure".

Public flogging perhaps?  20 lashes in Town Square?
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Shelma1 on March 31, 2016, 11:47
Something beyond water boarding probably, plus killing your whole family, since he also calls for doing that.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sharpshot on March 31, 2016, 12:00
Wouldn't women that wanted an abortion got to Canada if it was banned in the US?  Maybe they need a wall for that too.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Justanotherphotographer on March 31, 2016, 12:06
nonsense - all the industrial nations of Europe have some form of socialism - rather than demonizing it like the right wing does here in the US, European nations h ave taken a variety of socialist positions and have created jobs while doing so

it's not a matter of hating the rich - it's making our GDP work -- when we bailed out the banks, they were supposed to feed that capital back into the market, but they didn't -- instead we should have let their stock go to $0, hitting the speculators, and turned their bonds into new stock with the govt preventing bankruptcies if need be -- that way those responsible for the recession would have paid for it, and the govt could recover its investments if the banks reorganized and showed a profit

I'm much less concerned about a few people on the bottom of the income well 'taking advantage' than those who skim BILLIONS from the top without contributing to the economy

The banks make up a tiny percentage of ALL industries. Yes, they benefited, but that's no longer the point. That has nothing to do with the current issue at hand. The issue here is whether America should be a socialist country and the the answer is NO.

America already has socialist programs. Welfare, public housing, food assistant and various other public programs. Our GDP is fine as it is, socialism would destroy it. It would destroy all that is good about the United States. Ever since the implementation of socialism, what the good came out of England? What good came out of France? What exports do they have? What innovations do they have? I can't think of anything.

American capitalism is the reason why we have so much innovation and so much progress. Every Windows machine, ever Macbook, every iPhone and every Android phone originated in the US because Capitalism encourages competition, entrepreneurship and innovation. Socialism would destroy much of that entrepreneurship.

Socialism encourages laziness and entitlement. Capitalism benefits the intelligent and hard working. This country doesn't need socialism, a system that's quite good at spreading misery to everyone except for the parasites of society.

Just saving this for a laugh later. In case you do some research and edit it.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: PixelBytes on March 31, 2016, 12:48
Sorry to get back to Trump, I'm sure you saw this yesterday, but....

"Donald Trump said Wednesday that abortions should be banned and that there "has to be some form of punishment" for women who undergo the procedure".

Public flogging perhaps?  20 lashes in Town Square?

Yeah, horrifying!   Did you notice when he was asked if there should be punishment for the men who impregnated the women he said NO?! 

He also had to backtrack by the end of the day and say there should be no punishment for the women because they are "victims". 
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: cascoly on March 31, 2016, 13:22
Wouldn't women that wanted an abortion got to Canada if it was banned in the US?  Maybe they need a wall for that too.

while the right to choose an abortion is protected, many women in the US can't choose one even in their own state - ridiculous laws continue to be passed that destroy the right to choose.   for many women, even the requirement to stay overnight in acity hundreds of miles away is a severe burden.  those with money will always have access, but states like Texas and the rest of the south make this essential right unattainable to lower income women

at the same time, these evangelicals work to close down planned parenthood and other health clinics that provide the birth control that would limit abortions in the first place
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Chichikov on April 01, 2016, 00:48
Sorry to get back to Trump, I'm sure you saw this yesterday, but....

"Donald Trump said Wednesday that abortions should be banned and that there "has to be some form of punishment" for women who undergo the procedure".

Public flogging perhaps?  20 lashes in Town Square?

Yeah, horrifying!   Did you notice when he was asked if there should be punishment for the men who impregnated the women he said NO?! 

He also had to backtrack by the end of the day and say there should be no punishment for the women because they are "victims".

It seems that Trump says anything and the contrary of anything in the way to satisfy the maximum audience: most of the people listen (and remember) only what matches with what they think.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: fotografer on April 01, 2016, 01:28
Sorry to get back to Trump, I'm sure you saw this yesterday, but....

"Donald Trump said Wednesday that abortions should be banned and that there "has to be some form of punishment" for women who undergo the procedure".

Public flogging perhaps?  20 lashes in Town Square?

Yeah, horrifying!   Did you notice when he was asked if there should be punishment for the men who impregnated the women he said NO?! 

He also had to backtrack by the end of the day and say there should be no punishment for the women because they are "victims".

It seems that Trump says anything and the contrary of anything in the way to satisfy the maximum audience: most of the people listen (and remember) only what matches with what they think.
It seems to me that more then any politician he is saying what he thinks his target audience want to hear but he hasn't got the brain to realize how many others he is alienating at the same time.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Carmen on April 01, 2016, 08:35
Trusting Trump is an act of faith, he says a million times he is going to make America Great again but he does not say how, he does not even believe in his own words. He is selling himself to the american people the same way he was selling apartments few years ago. He is the used car salesman of the politics.
Trusting Trump is trusting a guy that filed bankrrupcy several times, a guy with a "tremendous" ego. A guy that use hate and bullying to imposse himself over th others. He is the last person you want your children to take as a role model.
Trusting Trump is foolish.
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sharpshot on April 01, 2016, 08:59
He is only doing so well because he is up against a bunch of unelectable candidates.  I think he could do well against Hillary Clinton, as she has a lot of problems but surely he can't beat her because she acts vaguely human and has so much ammunition for the debates.  How can Trump pretend to hate her when he was a big fan a few years ago?  He is going to come unstuck at some point.  Nobody can switch political positions as much as he has and keep their credibility.  How will he avoid being hoist with his own petard?
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Carmen on April 01, 2016, 13:31
He is only doing so well because he is up against a bunch of unelectable candidates.  I think he could do well against Hillary Clinton, as she has a lot of problems but surely he can't beat her because she acts vaguely human and has so much ammunition for the debates.  How can Trump pretend to hate her when he was a big fan a few years ago?  He is going to come unstuck at some point.  Nobody can switch political positions as much as he has and keep their credibility.  How will he avoid being hoist with his own petard?

who is more corrupted, the briber or the bribee?
I'm sure this guy wants to quit making "donations" and start receiving "donations" instead, and of course do his own businesses "donation free", a "tremendous" business, for him and his "associates".
At least Hillary does not plan to crucify 11 million immigrants, "punish" women for having abortions, start trade wars, etc. etc.
Very dangerous this "american Berlusconi", dangerous for USA and dangerous for the whole world
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: sharpshot on November 09, 2016, 04:51
I go this one wrong.  It dawned on me this week that Clinton was going to lose.  Hope it wont damage the US based microstock sites.  They will be paying less taxes (if they pay any now :) ).
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Pauws99 on November 09, 2016, 05:03
I go this one wrong.  It dawned on me this week that Clinton was going to lose.  Hope it wont damage the US based microstock sites.  They will be paying less taxes (if they pay any now :) ).
I'm not sure if there are any longer term  implications around free trade and the ability for non us contributors to carry on contributing. Easy for them to move to Canada I guess if it ever happens (which I doubt). Less taxes h'mmmm I'm not sure any one quite knows what Trump will actually do (least of all Trump)
Title: Re: OMG America!!!
Post by: Tror on November 09, 2016, 05:13
Online based businesses should have moved out of the US since a while already. Does`nt make sense.