Author Topic: Adobe Announces the new Photoshop will be subscription only (Read 51387 times)

rubyroo · « **Reply #150 on:** May 11, 2013, 02:37 »

I wouldn't worry too much about what anyone else does in terms of software. Just worry about what you do and let other people do their thing. Less stress all round.

Les · « **Reply #151 on:** May 11, 2013, 02:38 »

Quote from: rimglow on May 10, 2013, 09:52

"Down the road we will all be on tablets anyhow."

Does that mean that the reviewers will use tablets to review files? Yikes!

Based on the ever increasing number of rejections, it seems that many reviewers are already using tablets or even smartphones.

Dantheman · « **Reply #152 on:** May 11, 2013, 02:54 »

Can't see whats wrong with tablets.
There are already tablets with Windows 8, Intel i5 processors, good displays and enough ram.
On the go you can work on the tablet and at home you would just need a docking station. Plug it in and your ready to go on your 100inch Eizo display with keyboard, mouse and graphics tablet. Maybe in a few years, the tablet will even replace your wacom tablet and manage to show a copy of the image on it.

Even though i am using a Desktop at the moment, i believe that this will be the future.

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #153 on:** May 11, 2013, 02:59 »

Quote from: Dantheman on May 11, 2013, 02:54

Can't see whats wrong with tablets.
There are already tablets with Windows 8, Intel i5 processors, good displays and enough ram.
On the go you can work on the tablet and at home you would just need a docking station. Plug it in and your ready to go on your 100inch Eizo display with keyboard, mouse and graphics tablet. Maybe in a few years, the tablet will even replace your wacom tablet and manage to show a copy of the image on it.

Even though i am using a Desktop at the moment, i believe that this will be the future.

Its also about size, people buy ever bigger monitors to see what they are doing. The difference between fitting everything on an 10 inch screen or 19 inch is a fair bit.

ShadySue · « **Reply #154 on:** May 11, 2013, 05:27 »

Quote from: Poncke v2 on May 11, 2013, 01:54

Its like saying I dont want to use a digital camera and keep shooting film. If you do that you loose the edge over some who does embrace change.

I've heard of a few big name pros who still shoot only film for their important jobs, but use digital for their own photos or for quick and (relatively) cheap jobs.

Poncke v2 · « **Reply #155 on:** May 11, 2013, 05:32 »

Quote from: ShadySue on May 11, 2013, 05:27

Quote from: Poncke v2 on May 11, 2013, 01:54
Its like saying I dont want to use a digital camera and keep shooting film. If you do that you loose the edge over some who does embrace change.
I've heard of a few big name pros who still shoot only film for their important jobs, but use digital for their own photos or for quick and (relatively) cheap jobs.

Thats fine, but the one who does it digital has the edge on cost, can offer a lower quote and could get the job over someone who shoots film

ShadySue · « **Reply #156 on:** May 11, 2013, 05:39 »

As has been said above, Adobe haven't been able to come up with anything new which is of real importance to most photographers for quite a while.
Once they get everyone on the cloud, what's their incentive to keep innovating? (and as has been suggested, what more could they do? A lot of their more recent inventions have been fun, but don't cut it for stock.)

Obvious parallels with the UK ISA (tax free savings) system. A few years back, they introduced a CAT scheme, whereby if you took out a CAT ISA, you paid a fixed fee which you knew in advance.
My ISA is not CAT. My stockbroker gets a fixed fee plus a percentage of what he makes me. Thus he has an incentive to actually work for me, whereas of my friends who have CAT ISAs, al of them say the investements just sit there and never get sold or bought unless they add new money; most of them have performed badly, all of them well below my non-CAT ISA. So far.

I really think Adobe realise they've reached the end, particularly with Photoshop, I'm sure there will be lots of new things DW will be doing as the web develops.

Also, I've literally just started playing with Illustrator this week, i.e. I'm looking at some pre-101 tutorials. I can't get over how they all recommend a certain suite of plug-ins. On the iStock vector forum, part of the suite is listed as a 'no brainer' plug-in, and indeed ignorant as I am, I did think, "Why on earth isn't this in Illustrator, which costs a fortune!" As it has been around for several years, and several iterations of Illustrator, I can only imagine Adobe is in cahouts with the plug-in developer not to introduce a similar technology directly into Illustrator.

cathyslife · « **Reply #157 on:** May 11, 2013, 06:30 »

Quote from: Dantheman on May 11, 2013, 02:54

Can't see whats wrong with tablets.
There are already tablets with Windows 8, Intel i5 processors, good displays and enough ram.
On the go you can work on the tablet and at home you would just need a docking station. Plug it in and your ready to go on your 100inch Eizo display with keyboard, mouse and graphics tablet. Maybe in a few years, the tablet will even replace your wacom tablet and manage to show a copy of the image on it.

Even though i am using a Desktop at the moment, i believe that this will be the future.

So then you aren't really working on a tablet. I can see the scenario you are describing as feasible...but there is no way I would process images totally on an ipad. I can't see that ever happening, for me anyway.

Xanox · « **Reply #158 on:** May 11, 2013, 11:24 »

fully agree that once your images have already a decent exposure and color and framing you dont really need much from a software like LR.

i mean at least if we talk about travel images i never felt the need for overphotoshopping.
i keep hearing people talking about spots, no idea but maybe they should better clean their lenses, or maybe switch to Nikon ?

Ed · « **Reply #159 on:** May 11, 2013, 11:28 »

Quote from: Mantis on May 10, 2013, 07:08

Quote from: Ed on May 09, 2013, 19:04
Adobe has announced they are CONSIDERING a photography only type subscription

There already is: $19 USD

At the moment that's correct, but that's not quite what I meant....

http://petapixel.com/2013/05/07/adobe-thinking-about-a-creative-cloud-bundle-geared-toward-photographers/

Xanox · « **Reply #160 on:** May 11, 2013, 11:29 »

tablet : personally i'm completely against tablets and smartphones too, i agree they're useful for a few mundane tasks but where do they fit into professional photo editing ? how can you do pixel perfect correction using touch screens ? it's a fad but unfortunately there's plenty of tablets fanatics and lunatics, they bought a tablets and now they're hellbent into finding a problem that can be solved using their tablets ... yes .. a solution waiting for a problem .. and i'm not alone thinking this way, Bill Gates, the Acer's CEO, and many others never bet a dime on tablets, nobody really can explain the booming success of the iPad, people will really buy anything as long as there's an apple logo on it .. appletards !!

ShadySue · « **Reply #161 on:** May 11, 2013, 11:31 »

Quote from: Xanox on May 11, 2013, 11:24

talking about spots, no idea but maybe they should better clean their lenses, or maybe switch to Nikon ?

Sensor spots, and a switch would be financially rather drastic.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #162 on:** May 11, 2013, 11:33 »

Quote from: Ed on May 11, 2013, 11:28

Quote from: Mantis on May 10, 2013, 07:08
Quote from: Ed on May 09, 2013, 19:04
Adobe has announced they are CONSIDERING a photography only type subscription

There already is: $19 USD

At the moment that's correct, but that's not quite what I meant....

http://petapixel.com/2013/05/07/adobe-thinking-about-a-creative-cloud-bundle-geared-toward-photographers/

CONSIDERING sounds good. $19 sounds okay. Then, what happens when it jumps to $50? You have no software and really very little choice. You've been sucked in.

cthoman · « **Reply #163 on:** May 11, 2013, 11:41 »

Quote from: Xanox on May 11, 2013, 11:29

tablet : personally i'm completely against tablets and smartphones too, i agree they're useful for a few mundane tasks but where do they fit into professional photo editing ? how can you do pixel perfect correction using touch screens ? it's a fad but unfortunately there's plenty of tablets fanatics and lunatics, they bought a tablets and now they're hellbent into finding a problem that can be solved using their tablets ... yes .. a solution waiting for a problem .. and i'm not alone thinking this way, Bill Gates, the Acer's CEO, and many others never bet a dime on tablets, nobody really can explain the booming success of the iPad, people will really buy anything as long as there's an apple logo on it .. appletards !!

Smart devices aren't a fad, and they aren't going away. I don't think they'll replace the desktop for most professionals, but they are here to stay.

aspp · « **Reply #164 on:** May 11, 2013, 12:08 »

Quote from: Xanox on May 11, 2013, 11:29

. and i'm not alone thinking this way, Bill Gates, the Acer's CEO, and many others never bet a dime on tablets, nobody really can explain the booming success of the iPad, people will really buy anything as long as there's an apple logo on it .. appletards !!

Ha ha. Wrong:

Bill Gates announced the MS tablet PC at Comdex in 2000 and was hugely evangelistic about tablet PCs for much of the first half of the last decade - long before Apple ever let on that they had also been secretly working on their own tablet designs.

The problem for Microsoft was that they failed to develop a design which solved the inherent interface issues - nor a business model around which to encourage manufacturers to develop tablet PCs. Microsoft did what they have done so many times before and since - which was to try to apply Windows as the solution to whatever the problem was they were trying to solve.

Gates Wows Comdex Crowd With Tablet PC - November 2000

rubyroo · « **Reply #165 on:** May 11, 2013, 12:17 »

Is there a better forum somewhere for that discussion? Maybe one with a title like: 'In ten years I'll be right and you'll be wrong. Bwahahahaaaaaa'.

Jeez. Just use what works for you. Move with the times if you want to or have to, don't if you don't. Who cares?

Xanox · « **Reply #166 on:** May 11, 2013, 13:14 »

Quote from: WarrenPrice on May 11, 2013, 11:33

CONSIDERING sounds good. $19 sounds okay. Then, what happens when it jumps to $50? You have no software and really very little choice. You've been sucked in.

"customer lock-in".
apple is the finest example of that.

Xanox · « **Reply #167 on:** May 11, 2013, 13:28 »

yeah but what Gates had in mind was a device running MS Office with handwriting recognition, sort of Palm Pilot on steroids, minimal touch screen functions, only meant for business.

and in fact he failed to approve the prototype because without keyboard there was no way to write emails etc .. ironically not much later Apple launched the iPad and made billions.

but i rest my case, i see no reason to run complex stuff like LR on a tablet, it's ridicolous, with the new Surface you can run the whole CS6 suite but so what ? yes connect a USB keyboard and a mouse and you've a full fledged laptop but what's the point ?

i've even seen FL Studio (a music DAW) running on iPhone and Ableton Live on a iPad, it's crazy who's going to even find the play button on such a small screen ?

yeah there's pretty much any possible app on sale for smartphones and tablet but it doesnt mean your productivity will increase, only your frustration will.

Xanox · « **Reply #168 on:** May 11, 2013, 13:40 »

Quote from: cthoman on May 11, 2013, 11:41

Smart devices aren't a fad, and they aren't going away. I don't think they'll replace the desktop for most professionals, but they are here to stay.

tablets are not smart, they're dumbed down laptops without a keyboard, no more no less.

desktops will never die, it's impossible, anything professional is done on desktops and always will.

people will soon get tired by the limitations of smartphones and tablets especially considering they cost almost as much as a cheap laptop.

the MS Surface ugly keyboard is the worst of both worlds but at least they're trying.
and what about oddities like the Asus Transformer ?

really, they already tried it all in the last few years but there's no way out and the latest trend is for tablet to have a smaller screen, say 9" inches so it makes even less sense than now to see tablets as a pocket replacement for laptops.

Dantheman · « **Reply #169 on:** May 11, 2013, 14:26 »

Quote from: Xanox on May 11, 2013, 13:40

Quote from: cthoman on May 11, 2013, 11:41
Smart devices aren't a fad, and they aren't going away. I don't think they'll replace the desktop for most professionals, but they are here to stay.

tablets are not smart, they're dumbed down laptops without a keyboard, no more no less.

desktops will never die, it's impossible, anything professional is done on desktops and always will.

people will soon get tired by the limitations of smartphones and tablets especially considering they cost almost as much as a cheap laptop.

the MS Surface ugly keyboard is the worst of both worlds but at least they're trying.
and what about oddities like the Asus Transformer ?

really, they already tried it all in the last few years but there's no way out and the latest trend is for tablet to have a smaller screen, say 9" inches so it makes even less sense than now to see tablets as a pocket replacement for laptops.

Desktops are already dying out. The only real advantage is the power they have and soon even smaller devices will have more than enough processing power for us photographers / designers.
For most of the market, laptops have already replaced desktops!

One thing is for sure, that people who wan't to be productive need a large display, but that doesn't mean that you need a large desktop!

I believe that in the end we'll just have a small device with enough power, that we can easily plug into a larger working space, television etc.

ShadySue · « **Reply #170 on:** May 11, 2013, 14:33 »

Quote from: Dantheman on May 11, 2013, 14:26

For most of the market, laptops have already replaced desktops!

For 'most of the market', phonecams have already replaced dSLRs!

leaf · « **Reply #171 on:** May 11, 2013, 15:26 »

It would be nice if we could subscribe to the products we wanted .. pay a little if you only wanted 2 or 3 of the programs and more if you wanted them all.

cathyslife · « **Reply #172 on:** May 11, 2013, 16:04 »

Quote from: leaf on May 11, 2013, 15:26

It would be nice if we could subscribe to the products we wanted .. pay a little if you only wanted 2 or 3 of the programs and more if you wanted them all.

Exactly. I guess im not opposed to the idea in general, but i will not pay for something i am not even going to use.

gillian vann · « **Reply #173 on:** May 11, 2013, 22:05 »

will it also end up like Apple, every time I go into iTunes I have to waste so much time with unwanted updates and whatnot. We can only guess, and I suppose we are all assuming the worst.

Xanox · « **Reply #174 on:** May 12, 2013, 02:05 »

Quote from: gillian on May 11, 2013, 22:05

will it also end up like Apple, every time I go into iTunes I have to waste so much time with unwanted updates and whatnot. We can only guess, and I suppose we are all assuming the worst.

of course it will.
it's a public company, they must show growth and profits every quarter to shareholders.

they will be pressured to monetize their subscribers with every possibe upsell, discounts, and promotions, they will flood them with newsletters and last minute deals, and eventually even advertising banners and popups inside PS ! it's the same sh-it seen already in every other SaaS (software as a service) operation.

with the same logic they will launch dumbed down versions of PS for tablets or for HTML5 just to be used as a showcase to lure new subscribers, after all there was already a Javascript mini-PS years ago.

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