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« on: June 02, 2021, 06:58 »
Uncle Pete: Reminder, just because WS accepts something, that doesn't mean the agencies have accept the image. DT seems to take everything, so back to the original question. as I know from wirestock support: Dreamstime is NOT taking everything! The problem is, even if the image got signed as approved, it might be not (yet) online on dreamstime! --- Uncle Pete: and when I reach $100 on DT, I'll switch over everything to WS and close my personal account. It is not that easy! As I mentioned above, we have to find out first, which images really apperas online on dreamstime. It could be that moved images will never appear even if signed as approved/submitted. Little more dteails: I did a test: On dreamstime NOW we cannot delete images that easy anymore! We only ca disable them. Then - dreamstime promised me! - we can upload them via wirestock again and get them online on dreamstime via wirestock. BUT after 1 month signed as approved on wirestock, these test images did not appear until now! Wirestock indeed told me, they have big issues with dreamstime to get images online. Yes, many I submitted are at lest online, but much more NOT! And wirestock told me, thats unforutnally the reality now. If you totally close your account, it might be much easier to upload them again via wirestock. But have in mind: If we upload on our personal account, we get MUCH more accepted - wirestock told me the same. Thats why I am changed my way now: Instead of moving images from dreamstime to wirestock - starting with the oldest first and still upload new images directly to dreamstime, to get faster the 100$ limit payout. NOW I try to get as much as possible on my personal account. So, now I research which images via wirestock got online - I will keep them! All which not got online after 1 month submitted, I will wirestock ask to delete and I will upload on my personal account 1 month later. Maybe I do not have to wait 1 month. If accepted from dreamstime directly, similar images via wirestock will be rejected. But it is just better to ask wirestock to delete that not online images in case not get rejection of similar images. Sounds like much work, but I have the time. LOL Uncle Pete: 100$ limit a big reason? Yes! Because: I do not take photos which might sell best, I shoot what I like to shoot. And I will not change that. So, of course my photos are not selling very good. I do not mind. Only if I just see a motif, which is easy to shoot and on demand, then I am doing it. And indeed these photos sells more. But even with this experiences I will never make a plan, shooting what might sell good. If I would do that, I would be much more frustrated, if even these photos dont get that sales I expected. --- Uncle Pete: I'm happy, I don't have accounts with most of the agencies, and when I reach $100 on DT, I'll switch over everything to WS and close my personal account. After that, I will have three working personal accounts. Alamy, SS and AS. I really don't want to find and upload 5,000 images from SS, and most are editorial. Alamy, many are already exclusive, same other reason, finding and uploading a large number. Adobe, I have some that are only on Adobe and there are limitations on what can be uploaded to WS for those other agencies. So that means for those, old images and special cases... Let It Ride!  Because my accounts are/were still small, it was easier for me to move my images to wirestock: SS: I reduced my images from more than 600 to less 200 - kept the worst images there and the bad images which sells directly in June last year. Now - because of that low sales, I do not care on the last images either and moved them also to wirestock and do not care about the little money which were waiting to payout, if I reach the payout in some years, because only 10 Cent anyway each sale. Adobe: No sale at all yet on Adobe. Just when I already started to move them to wirestock, I got ONE sale for 23 Cent. AND: the new strategy from Adobe, I really do not want to support with my name. and because already a long time I just click on Adobe via wirestock instead of uploading myself, so the portfolio was small and the move was done in an hour or so. - And not like dreamstime: On adobe the deleted photos were directly accepted again via wirestock - totally no problem. All on the same day! Alamy: On 1th July I will be able to submit the photos from my personal account via wirestock. I even had big issues with Alamy, because so many smartphone photos got accepted on my personal account, that it took a long time until I found out, that they should not be accpeted. As follows: I got blocked from uploads for a while. That time I upload the same photos via wirestock and all got accpeted. So, just easier: Not thinking about camera and other things. That easy! Depositphotos: Wow! So fast! After 2 hours I got already the email and they already deleted all my 1000 more images there. so, in another 30 minutes I just clicked on submit to depositphotos on wirestock and the work was done. 28 Cent instead of 22 is even better. Pond5: Only because I am exclusive with my footage, I upload all images personally to pond5. 123RF: I followed the advice from wirestock: Do not move them to wirestock, because 123RF are NOW searching for special images. But 123RF unilt now still did not tell wirestock, which kind of images they are looking for. So, I keep my account on 123RF, even very low sales, but why not? If even upload to some personal accounts, why not upload the bad images to 123RF either in one time? ---
On a side note, I made 50 x $4.25 yesterday via Instant Pay to Adobe Stock. All of them were images that have rarely or never sold. I'm quite happy about that.
For Instant Pay, you have to delete these images on all agencies, right? I ask, because NOW I got an idea of which photos I do not care anymore and would take an Instant Pay. The only problem I see is, if delete everywhere first, then mark as Instant Pay, does not garanty, that wirestock will sell them all as Instant pay. But even then: We are talking about images which never sold and might never sell in the future. Any suggestions? Editorial images could be also good for Instant Pay, or better only commercial photos? --- I would like to point out one other facet (for me) that might be useful to others, especially people new to the game. I have been at Wirestock only since the beginning of December. That means that all my images, from 2005 to a few years ago, have no history of sales anymore. They started from scratch just like any newbie. To go with that, I will say that WS has already eclipsed my SS earnings since the commission change before I left there, with only a third of the same portfolio.
As I mentioned many time here: Delete and upload again and with that giving them a new life and new chance to get better ranking and sales. Combined with moving images from personal accounts to wirestock, could tell us, if we are right. Because I just did that with some agencies: Lets see, if it works for some images. maybe an suddenly increasing sales on wirestock in the next weeks? Would be nice! If so, I will let you know. --- Sorry for that long explainings, but it might be that some getting ideas from it. I would never say, do it like me! But it COULD be just an idea.
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« on: May 29, 2021, 11:17 »
I had sales via Wirestock on all agencies, including Alamy and the smaller ones like Dreamstime, DepositPhoto's, 123RF (which isn't supported anymore, I guess due to images not being reviewed) and Pond5.
But, don't expect your content to perform better via Wirestock.
Sales on smaller agencies are as slow as they are on personal accounts. At least, that's my experience.
Yes, from my experience I could also not say that wirestock perform better than on my personal portfolios. Wirestock told me that they put 123RF to the extra channels. Reason like you guessed. I am also not really sure if all to dreamstime submitted images really are online there or not. Seems like most not. Seems like I got more approved via my personal portfolio. Why ever. That is why I am still confused, if it would be better to move my images from dreamstime to wirestock and submit to dreamstime there. My only reason to do it is the 100$ limit for payout. Deposit - sorry I forgot in the first time -got nearly same sales on my personal or wirestock portfolio. and yes, via wirestock I got few pennies more. Alamy: instead of getting 20% in the future, I will get 36% via wirestock, so a plus for me either. Adobe: My name is not shown anymore. So my friends, who suspecting that Adobe makes differences between religions and regions, cannot see anymore, that I still feed the devil. And on wirestock I still can follow my strategy for my better images: Best images only on alamy, good images after a month also on dreamstime 8maybe still Adobe, too. And my images I do not care about, I submit directly to all - including SS.
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« on: May 29, 2021, 07:43 »
Oh, I see. Thx for explaining!
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« on: May 29, 2021, 03:32 »
Who is using editorial images in Adobe softwares?
I guess no or very less.
We saw the new directiong from Adobe: Concentrating much more now on offering free images to software users. but do they need editorials?
So, why adobe should ad editorials to their libary?
I guess they ALLOW best sellers upload editorials as a small gift back for getting sales from customer who are not mainly using Adobe software.
As it is getting more and more difficult for any agency, Adobe concentrate on their basics.
So, being a best seller means: Your images will offered for free to Adobe software users.
And new images in total they do not care about anymore.
So, as a contributor, Adobe seems to be not worth it anymore:
New uploads - not worth it!
Old uploads: If their were regular sales before the change, keep them and get further regulary sales. And the other old ones? Depending on ranking, you have to find out. But new uploads is really not worth it anymore.
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« on: May 28, 2021, 09:43 »
As one contributor here mentioned, he got not to less sales on alamy via wirestock, too.
I had a sale of 3$ on shutterstock - one of my worst images I am not caring about LOL
Adobe: Mostly editorials without people sells not bad for me.
But until now no sales on dreamstime and pond5 (images).
Does anyone had sales on the last two agencies via wirestock?
And did anyone already got sales via extra channels (which is mostly Canva)?
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« on: May 28, 2021, 09:36 »
Well, Clipdealer is not a big seller and if you sell directly via Clipdealer, you have to force them to pay you if you reached the payout. But Clipdealer is/was also a reseller from 123RF
Not long time ago - maybe 3 weeks(?) - I still could see all my images from 123RF on Clipdealer, too. the funny and interesting thing: I was able to see, how many views my images got on clipdealer and if sold, they would be also listed.
I just wanted to make another short research on clipdealer, but now I cannot find any of my images anymore.
AND: Strange: If you click on any other contributors name: Mostly no image appears anymore, but sometimes they appear.
It seems like 123RF quit Clipdealer as reseller and all these contributors, without listed images were selling via 123RF?
Would be interesting to know, who quit from whom. would be funny if Clipdealer was the one, who does not want to sell images from 123RF anymore.
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« on: May 26, 2021, 06:05 »
Maybe I am wrong, then please correct me!
Did anybody realize this?
Lets say, a new contributor starting to sell on alamy in coming July:
He is lucky, because he got sales in that month for a revenue of 50 Pounds.
How will Alamy calculate his payout? Alamy needs to know, how much he earned in the last 12 month. If above 250, he will get 40% for that sales in July, but has to wait for the decision from alamy another 11 month, right?
And as we know, Alamy often tells us about a sale up to three month later, so to be sure, this contributor has to wait all together 9 month for his payout?
Well, this includes more risk than already suspected for contributors who sometimes reaches a yearly payout of 250 and sometimes not.
Am I missing something?
So, if I am right: In worst case alamy can delay the payout up to 15 month, before alamy has to pay.
Exceptions only if this contributor reaching the 250 minimum before the year passed by.
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« on: May 26, 2021, 05:40 »
And even no explanation from Mat/Adobe to this.
If they even do not try to make us calm down by telling us other reasons for our fast drop of sales, then it has indeed to do with their new ways. And simple as it is, we have to take our decisions from that for ourselves, if nothing changes back.
Dont forget: No answer IS an answer!
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« on: May 24, 2021, 14:56 »
Mat cannot answer to these questions right now. Or with his words: I have no information about this to share.
So, instead of telling that each time, he did it only very few time and now like adobe waiting what happens.
To give NO answer IS ALSO an answer!
So expecting the worst could be very close to the real.
regions WERE open to every one BEFORE that changes! I did ranking searches of my photos BEFORE they change it. (I am from Indonesia) So, they closed it to many regions and open slowly with best images which they offer for free, if they pay for any Adobe software.
NEW photos: Not worth to upload anymore - no chance to get appear, because only best seller always appear in front. Even customer CANNOT ANYMORE search for new content, they have to take what Adobe offers them, even Adobe has much more to offer.
But not only the normal contributors got treated that bad: From the best sellers they offer them for free as explained above.
As we all know: Adobe never been a stockphoto site! They want to sell their software! And who buys it get free stockphotos from them.
Where the contributors have there benefit from it? Nowhere anymore!
I already nearly deleted all my images on Adobe and will close my account soon.
If principles like discriminating foreign countries (mostly Moslems), then there is something wrong in Adobes world. And we have to decide if we want to support them in that new way or not.
I am lucky that I have not that best seller images, so I will not loose much.
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« on: May 24, 2021, 05:57 »
@kall3bu
We don't get a percentage, we get a minimum of 10 for subs. We do get a percentage of other sales. These are two different matters.
Levels (which stink because they reset every Jan.) are 15-20-25-30% for some sales. We used to get a percentage based on lifetime download dollars, not number of downloads.
Now about subs. We used to get a minimum of 25 until someone earned $500 which is roughly 2,000 download at 25. Pretty simple. Lifetime earnings.
Now we get a minimum of 10
Please read this carefully. Look at the third column, where the price the buyer pays is shown:
Most of our sales come from the 350 and 750 packs. Who is that and why? I haven't seen any good answers. But start at the 350 pack with the highest price for a buyer, where they pay SS 57 an image. The commission for those downloads at 15% would be = .855 cents. Less than 10 cents. Now look at the most expensive 750 pack. 33 an image, we'd get we'd get .0495 cents per download. Instead we get 10 cents.
If you care to look at the sales that don't have pink or yellow in the top 12 rows, we get paid the percentage as promised.
Yes, if we had an agency that sold images for a flat fee and we got a fixed percentage and could earn more for more sales, that would be interesting. In that case, 50% is a fair number.
You might want to look at Wirestock, because they are adding direct sales from their platform, at a fixed rate, paying us a fixed fee. None of the old foolishness of what size image, which might have mattered in real photo, but realistically, digital? Hopefully they will never introduce any subscription plan! Or if they do, it will still be a couple dollars and image, minimum.
Yes, I know about this, how it works. but at least you gave me the information I needed: That means: If there would be a agency giving us 50% and sell images in subscriptioin (not only of course!) for 350, that means we would get our 25 Cent - well in real 28,5 Cent. and even if offering 750, we still would get 16,5 Cent, if paid 50%. (Still more than 10 cent now on SS) I guess, I know what you mean about the direct sales via wirestock - the ones which they wanted to include the extra channels, isnt it? And there we get not the 15% cut, but only a percentage, but that could be big money depending on who is buying it. Or did I miss something?
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« on: May 24, 2021, 05:40 »
#But I've added newer and better work as well.#
So, Uncle Pete, from this new uploads you got sales as usual like before any changes on Adobe? Or less? Do you think, new content still worth it to upload?
Do YOU (Uncle Pete) think, this 30 day issue for ranking on Adobe still works, if customer cannot search for new content and new content not get any priority anymore on Adobe?
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« on: May 23, 2021, 06:11 »
If I may give my compatriot one piece of advice, forget 123RF. It's not worth it. Try MostPhotos, it works much better for Scandinavian images.
Anything else which works better on MostPhotos? My problem: most of my photos are from Indonesia and the countries around. MostPhotos: I wonder. IO thought it is a diying agency for many contributors.
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« on: May 22, 2021, 03:19 »
Then it is even not worth it to upload anywhere, well, in real it is not worth it anymore NOW already.
Even for me, who is not doing it for profit - more for a hobby. but seeing what these agencies doing with us - respectless like it is - so even for me the motivation gets lost.
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« on: May 21, 2021, 12:53 »
Okay, to the point and what is in my mind:
IF there would be an existing agency with good enough SEO and so on, so sales would be really okay - might be not same like SS, maybe more similar to Adobe or so.
If this agency would give us a garancy of minimum 25 cent per sale like SS did in the past.
1) Which subs they could offer to customer without loosing money?
22%?
Okay lets make it easy: lets say 25%.
So the lowest price for the customer would be 1 $, so the contributor could get his minimum of 25 Cent, right?
1 $ nowadays is totally to much?
Who buys these very very big subs? Big firms, who already have enough money and usually could say: No matter, if one image cost 1 $, right?
But they buy hundreds, because it is so cheap and easy. But at least they really use only 2 from 100 images? So they also do not care, if they do not use the full subs of 750 images or whatever.
And that all only because the ones who searching for the right images, cannot decide directly, if they need this or that image?
2) If this agency promise us 50%, then the real price for the customer would be 50 cent instead of 1 $. Cheaper than in 1) and nicer for the contributors too, getting 50% - even still the same 25 cent.
3) The problem is, that on pond5 the price for biggest image size is minimum 5 $ and 2,50 $ for the contributor.
Depending on each image, I would not care to get only 25 cent for most of my images, but some I would like to get money like on 'alamy (in the past). On pond5 we could control it OURSELVE by setting our own price and we can go up and down - follow the market.
Yes, pond5 will never promote the photos on their site, we know. But if pond5 does not want to do it - and we have to respect their decision, why do not WE promote it?
But HOW?
Lets think, what we could do to get more customer to pond5 and buy our photos there! If suddenly many more customer also buy photos on pond5, that would not be a problem for pond5, isnit?
I know, after SS the idea about pond5 grow also and here again in me.
But let us really think seriously, how we all together could get more Photo customer to pond5! If we find good ideas, THEN MAYBE more contributor are brave to move to pond5.
Maybe like this: Photos we not care about we still offer on that cheap agencies. But our better images (Alamy exclusive images for example), we sell on pond5.
BUT WE NEED CUSTOMER for PHOTOS on pond5!
And HOPEFULLY pond5 at the end also see their profit and our engagement and finally invest more in promoting their photo site.
Well, just a dream! Or not?
Sorry for the long text.
The only alternative would be a new agency, but thats the worst idea, I think.
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« on: May 21, 2021, 12:22 »
Exactly!
wirestock gets the 40% (they told me they have defenitly more tha 250 per year), then they cut the 15%, which makes for us contributors: instead of getting 40%, we get 34%, BUT NOT THE crap 20%
I closed my account on Alamy. In 45 days I can just click on the images in wirestock for submit to alamy.
Because I also nearly closing my account on Adobe, it is the same way. Deposit: I also delete there and click on deposit in wirestock later for deposit.
What I will leave on Adobe, Deposit: What wirestock did not accept because of similary, but Adobe and Deposit later on accepted. So, might be I will get my payout on Adobe and Deposit not before I die, but it might be just nice to see: Hey, you got a sale! LOL
But the real money I make via wirestock. I sold anyway more there than on the personal accounts.
And before dreamstime comes around with their new exciting announcement:
I will move all images from there also to wirestock. Even I would get more money for each sale on dreamstime, but I do not want to dream, when i get paid from dreamstime with its contributor unfriendly 100 $ limit! No! Then I am okay with the cut of 15% from wirestock and I will get faster money from my images.
AND: Everything getting much easier: uploading, (well, keywording not really, if we really care on our images and sales, then better we keyword ourselve.)
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« on: May 21, 2021, 07:51 »
As I understand:
Set RM and we can optout that novel or private use, which to often is used from the customers for other use and alamy is not doing anything against that
Novel Use is an additional revenue option you can opt in/out for all your port globally, RF or RM.
Private use is an option you can opt in/out for each of your RM images only.
And if I opt out in both cases: RM still makes sense? - If Alamy anyway can sell them for RF and for free? Well, we do not know how many customer buys via this and the other way. So usual buyer on Alamy, then RM still makes sense?
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« on: May 21, 2021, 07:47 »
Okay, i will include it in my calculation.
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« on: May 21, 2021, 05:17 »
Hi,
I just want to make a calculation for myself. Maybe later I let you know about my idea.
For that I need the information as follows (I forgot to save that info in the past, sorry):
BEFORE shutterstock changed everything in June 2020:
Lowest revenue for contributors were 25 Cent, isnt it? (Lowest level/ 20 or 25%?)
That time already exist subscrition which were that cheap -if used - and shutterstock paid 25 Cent to the contributors, then shutterstock makes a minus.
Which subscrition THAT time was just okay for shutterstock in that way, that they did not have a minus, but plus min, if paying the contributors that 25 Cent?
Does anybody here remember that?
To make it short:
How much a customer had to pay per image, if using the best subscrition and contributors getting their 25 Cent and shutterstock earns without minus.
I hope, you got me LOL
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« on: May 21, 2021, 05:05 »
Well, I do not mind, if my name is not shown and they sell it with their name.
But in all other cases:
Is it worth uploading to them, if we know about their 3 years minimum.
Are they selling good enough that it is worth it?
On alamy forum they said, only spanish images sells well/okay, but all others not really. And I do not have any spanish images.
I was thinking about uploading my best images first and let them decide, if good enough for premium/exclusive or if they say only good for the cheaper markets, I can still decide myself to submit or not.
From the experiences I read in the forum (infos are little bit old might be) it seems like worst would be the cheaper market, because they seem to give images away for free too.
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« on: May 21, 2021, 04:42 »
As I understand:
Set RM and we can optout that novel or private use, which to often is used from the customers for other use and alamy is not doing anything against that - well, newly they want to start to investigate it for exclusive contributors, which will be soon nearly zero contributors, because they now change all to non exclusvie again because of the new exciting announcement.
But for me still left is the question about RM and RF:
When it NOW with the new announcement it will be good to set images to RM instead of RF? alamy even can give them away for free and with RF even we set it for RM.
Is there any sense left for setting RM?
AND:
Lets say we have an image which is great for advertising: Should it not better to set it RF? Otherwise they would not buy it if set to RM?
And images which are not good for advertisment, but just special images because a special flower image, we cannot find anywhere else. But who will buy it for that high price on Alamy? But RM makes sense in this case, isnt it?
I am totally confused. Pls try to explain for me. Thx.
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« on: May 20, 2021, 13:38 »
Nice to see that Mat still can make jokes LOL
Own website - not searching for an agency anymore.
Traffic to my website, then links to my POD and maybe few better stocksites, but that we can forget now after Adobe and Alamys new exciting way. Well, I try to get customers from my website to my pond5 portfolio, where they can buy mostly cheaper than on other websites (if no subscription) and I will get more for myself (50% in case of photos).
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« on: May 20, 2021, 08:36 »
On Alamy forum - without telling the name agefoto, but meaning it - many are curious now to try agefoto. I hope they will not just move from one disaster (Alamy) to the next disaster!
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« on: May 20, 2021, 08:34 »
https://www.microstockgroup.com/microstock-services/lost-copyright-with-affiliates-agefotostockeasyfotostock/I had the same idea, starting uploading to agefoto, but I just read this thread from January this year. So, the three years clausel I remember when I was interested in agefoto first time, but that was one of the reasons why I concentrated on other things first. And when you read about the experiences of that contributor, I get afraid about agefoto. I even were thinking about starting upload only my best images first and sign as premium, might be exclusive - after Adobe and Alamys new announcement maybe an alternative, but that experiences in that thread shocked me again. I guess, there is no agency left in this world, we could trust and treat their contributors well anymore. Well, only pond5 might be, but even after got forced from many sides to put more concentrating on photos as well, they denied. So, really no agency left! Dreamstime? Ah, they will be the next with a new exciting announcement, believe me.
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« on: May 20, 2021, 07:00 »
#On Adobe I have a lot of trouble getting new images sold and I am even considering to not upload new images there. They are not getting noticed anway, so it seems like a waste of time.  I think more than any change in region-based image display the lack of promotion of new work to customer is my biggest problem on Adobe.#
Could it be, that you have more trouble with selling new photos since around February? I really do not remember well when, but for sure I got an email or information via other way, but surely from Adobe itself, that they do not want to support new images anymore, but support best selling images and contributors in the future to get all time in search results on the top - which also means: customer ALWAYS see the same images coming up and cannot search for newest images (anymore)!
Mat even did not answer my question about this!
Because if it is true, then indeed uploading new images makes no sence anymore, if we are not one of the selected best sellers on Adobe - maybe even them will not benefit from their new images anymore. Adobe thinks they have enough good images and want to concentrate on that best selling images. They do not care that customer might want to search for new images. The old ones must be enough - especially for the NEW countries, who also only get selected images - FOR FREE, because usually these new countries are to poor to buy images. So Adobe is already happy, if they pay for their software. And for that they give away best images to them.
BTW: If that all is true: Not only uploading new images is not worth it anymore, also IF you keep on uploading new images: all the advices about keywording and titles is not worth to follow anymore, too, because instead of giving a chance to get a good ranking for new images in the first 30 days, they will now directly rank on lowest ever!
Lets hope, this time Mat will answer about this situation.
I also asked Adobe via support team, but did not get any satisfying answer. Only bla blabla.
Not telling us the truth of it to the point itself says all what we need to know:
Stay away from Adobe, if you are not one of the best sellers there.
Do not upload any new images - waste of time!
If you have OLD images which sells regularly, you might find out there is no difference between now and before the change of Adobe. Which means: Keep them online! But all new images better upload to agencies which give new images a chance.
AND keep in mind: they will give away best images! So, in a way they also treating their best seller contributors.
I am still confused about their regions: what is it behind it: just poor regions or at least religion reasons? Because MOST of these countries are moslem countries.
We will not get more answers from Mat than this: #I don't have any additional information to share at this time. -Mat# Why? Not because Mat do not want to answer! Mat is not allowed to answer, even IF Mat (would) know the answers! Mat earned a lot of respect from most Adobe contributors - best shown in this forum and includes me! And I am sure that 90% or more STILL have this respect to Mat, but now feeling with Mat, because he also got cut in his ways for helping/ give information from his bosses. I dont want to be in Mats poor situation now, which only gives him more respect from me to him. Since iStock found a way to treat their contributors, now nearly all agencies follow and try to be the best treater!: shitterstock, Adobe and newest Alamy. Comming soon dreamstime?
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« on: May 20, 2021, 03:03 »
Totaly agree to both!
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