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Adobe Stock / Re: Big drop in sales
« on: September 18, 2023, 09:52 »
Sales are doing really well. Not on here which is dead. But the other agencies are doing well. Up on last year.

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🤣 well somethings happening and it's er lol ... like out there.

Dr Steven Greer (I've made my opinion clear) is going completely off book. But there is also a rather large something coming as well. But Greer has either completely overdosed on his meds or this is happening.

1. Tim Burchette and Luna issued Thomas Monheim (head of the ICIG that investigated Gruschs claims and found them credible and urgent) a request for any and all investigative data regarding David Grusch to be passed on or released. Specifically the details of Thomas Monheims investigation and what he found that flagged this as credible and urgent. They set a time frame for a response which was up today.

Monheim responded. Shown below. But now Greer explains where this is going next ... I mean ... just wow ok then.

https://x.com/MikeColangelo/status/1702755015784366294?s=20


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urghhh and the mess gets deeper and deeper.

Hello, everyone :

Many of you have contacted us in relation to the presentation of two alleged "reptilian humanoid" specimens last Tuesday, September 12, 2023 before the Congress of the Republic of Mexico.

These two specimens were supposedly discovered in the Nasca region in 2017 (sic) and then shipped to Mexico several months ago.

On behalf of all the members of the Inkarri Cusco Institute, we want to express our deepest disagreement with this scandalous situation.

As we have not had the opportunity to examine these two supposedly non-human mummies, we cannot confirm their suspected authenticity.

The only mummified bodies about which we can give a definitive opinion are those of "Mara", "Wawita", "Alberto", "Josefina" and "Victoria". These mummies are currently at the San Luis Gonzaga University of Ica (UNICA) and have been studied and analyzed since 2019.

On the basis of these analyses, the two species studied have been classified as "unknown origin." The Inkarri Institute does not go further, preferring to leave the debate on this "origin" to specialists in the field, without favoring any particular hypothesis.

The two copies presented last Tuesday before the Congress of the Republic of Mexico were taken from Peru completely illegally, without any authorization from the Peruvian authorities. These mummified bodies are part of the cultural heritage of Peru. They should be in a local museum in Nasca, not in Mexico City.

We hope that the Peruvian authorities can clarify this totally anomalous situation and achieve the return of these cultural objects.

Concerned about the protection and preservation of Peruvian cultural heritage, the Inkarri Institute will remain attentive to the outcome of this case.

Sincerely, from the Heart of the Andes,

Cusco, September 14, 2023

Thierry Jamin
President of the
Inkarri Institute Cusco

Jos Casafranca Monts
Vice president

Edward Valenzuela Gil
Communication Manager

So ut is really unclear what is going on because he was quite happy to deal with JM as seen in these various videos on this page
https://www.the-alien-project.com/en/nasca-mummies-josefina/



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NASA Report, Officials stressed the panel found no evidence that UAPs had extraterrestrial origin.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/nasa-s-ufo-task-force-has-released-its-final-report-it-s-not-aliens/ar-AA1gJtVJ

We find no evidence that UAPs are extraterrestrial in origin, said team lead David Spergel at Princeton University during the press conference. Most events are explainable as planes, balloons, drones, weather phenomena and instrument features.

NASA Independent Panel report.

That said it only exhibits 70% human dna and 30% unknown.
?????

Unknown doesn't translate to aliens or anything, it means... UNKNOWN very simple, it couldn't be identified because the structure was too old or had been destroyed. Finding nothing is not a way to jump to the conclusion that it's something else.

Thank you Peter for explaining the obvious. Just answering a question. Don't panic no one is challenging your religious beliefs.

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https://youtu.be/zrbT4Ty3dpI?feature=shared

the latest take. Greer (and I mean take him as you will( in my humble opinion is a grifter. He runs his C5 courses calling aliens down from wherever using lasers and intense meditation. Ok lol whatever. That said as part of the disclosure project he has probably brought more military personnel to testify under oath than anyone else. But I've always considered him the Uri Geller of the UFO world without the cheeky charm.

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that's not what the university cited - they only had access to the DNA and did the c14 dating - they made NO clams about origin
The university lab which did the testing disassociates itself from any use, interpretation, or subsequent misrepresentation of the results it provides, the institute said. In no case do we draw conclusions about the origin of these samples.

Similarly, Antgona Segura, one of Mexicos top astrobiologists, questioned Mr. Maussans contentions. These conclusions are simply not backed up by evidence, said Dr. Segura, who collaborates with the Nexus for Exoplanet System Science, a NASA initiative to search for life on distant worlds. The whole thing is very shameful.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/13/world/americas/alien-mummy-congress-mexico.html

and these ARE mummies - as usually found in the high andes - but not Egyptian-brand mummies. 'petrified' bodies means turned to rock which doesnt contain DNA

in other words, just the usual UFO-alien nonsense

noted re: petrification

Yes it's a bit of a mess isn't it. The problem is any scientific opinion means very little at present. What would they reference as a comparison. Another alien they claim doesnt exist.

 There are claims that the bones in one of these bodies arms is a child's femur. The shape doesn't match very well but well enough to claim it. But the claim that it is a child's femur is a fallacy. Samples of it would need to be drilled to determine composition and age. I'm not sure if that's been done.

The same with similar dimensions to a reversed portion of the rear of a llama skull masquerading as its face. Various biologists have stated it is possible but without examining it themselves they aren't prepared to make a discision based on screen shots and uploaded photos of scans and X rays which is right and proper.

no, the problem is that this wasn't treated scientifically. some DNA was examined externally with no claim of extraterrestrial existence. but otherwise this ridiculous 'release' is exploited by a previously exposed UFO hoaxer w/o credentials and who performed none of the necessary tests for a REAL scientific report.

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The major thing is the hips. No ball joint at the top of the femur. Some claim making walking impossible and others claiming no side movement would have been possible. Only an uncomfortable foreward motion would be possible. But they're 1000 years old. Allegedly.
nonsense - we have hundreds of fossils, millions of ears old, across vertebrate lines & none of their hips have such a mal-formed femur. 

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Of the biologist that have come forward they have pointed to these impressions but state that unfortunately it 'could' be possible that some other structure was present which has since decayed away leaving little or no trace. They don't think its likely but still.
more scientific whaledreck - they don't think it's likely. Period.  it's also not likely it was the remains of a terrestrial leprechaun, but still..
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Its one of those things that the right people to investigate it fully are the very people that have been shown to cover up and lie about things whilst others are not prepared to be associated with it.

you slander thousands of reputable scientists and officials who have not done anything like that. instead you support hoaxers, frauds* flim-flam reports that would never make it to a peer reviewed journal. in the real scientific world, these sorts of tests are done BEFORE making extraordinary claims.
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It will then it seems have to come down to the DNA for now while funding is sought to do what is required.
yes and the DNA does not support the hoaxer's claims.
 
 

I guess it's drinky time again is it? I didn't slander any scientist moron.

Good to get your unqualified perspective on the rest before you start ranting. Shame. I've tried numerous times to engage with you but you always default to the patronising obnoxious discourse. At a boy 👍

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NASA Report, Officials stressed the panel found no evidence that UAPs had extraterrestrial origin.

no they didn't. Senator Bill Nelson did. And he is one slice short of a sandwich. Even if they had done at the hearings
they ...
1. Aren't researching historic cases.
2. aren't researching classified videos and data.
3. Aren't going to speculate and research origins.

These were clearly stated at the first hearing.

And at this hearing they want the public to download their UAP reporting app to send in videos. That's right folks they want what utubes already had for 25 years.

And finally that husk Nelson was asked about David Grusches claims. Nelson is a senator so being part of Congress and the organisation that deals with space youde expect him to have an opinion based on what he's learned so far .... oh .... oh dear.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/16inteu/bill_nelson_on_david_grusch_and_his_claims/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb

be lucky if he keeps his job. Lego aliens thanks you Bill Nelson for taking the heat off them.

Just the facts ... om fg ... just the facts. A fact that he should employ the next time he opens his slack jaw. None of what he said was accurate. Maybe about dragnet.

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That said it only exhibits 70% human dna and 30% unknown.
?????

that's not what the university cited - they only had access to the DNA and did the c14 dating - they made NO clams about origin
The university lab which did the testing disassociates itself from any use, interpretation, or subsequent misrepresentation of the results it provides, the institute said. In no case do we draw conclusions about the origin of these samples.

Similarly, Antgona Segura, one of Mexicos top astrobiologists, questioned Mr. Maussans contentions. These conclusions are simply not backed up by evidence, said Dr. Segura, who collaborates with the Nexus for Exoplanet System Science, a NASA initiative to search for life on distant worlds. The whole thing is very shameful.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/13/world/americas/alien-mummy-congress-mexico.html

and these ARE mummies - as usually found in the high andes - but not Egyptian-brand mummies. 'petrified' bodies means turned to rock which doesnt contain DNA

in other words, just the usual UFO-alien nonsense

noted re: petrification

Yes it's a bit of a mess isn't it. The problem is any scientific opinion means very little at present. What would they reference as a comparison. Another alien they claim doesnt exist.

 There are claims that the bones in one of these bodies arms is a child's femur. The shape doesn't match very well but well enough to claim it. But the claim that it is a child's femur is a fallacy. Samples of it would need to be drilled to determine composition and age. I'm not sure if that's been done.

The same with similar dimensions to a reversed portion of the rear of a llama skull masquerading as its face. Various biologists have stated it is possible but without examining it themselves they aren't prepared to make a discision based on screen shots and uploaded photos of scans and X rays which is right and proper.

The major thing is the hips. No ball joint at the top of the femur. Some claim making walking impossible and others claiming no side movement would have been possible. Only an uncomfortable foreward motion would be possible. But they're 1000 years old. Allegedly.

Of the biologist that have come forward they have pointed to these impressions but state that unfortunately it 'could' be possible that some other structure was present which has since decayed away leaving little or no trace. They don't think its likely but still.
Its one of those things that the right people to investigate it fully are the very people that have been shown to cover up and lie about things whilst others are not prepared to be associated with it.

It will then it seems have to come down to the dna for now while funding is sought to do what is required.

Garry Nolan asked chatgpt what would be needed to answer this question. He was amazed to discover that for the most part chatgpt was correct. Chatgpt has added equipment costs which if you already had them would significant reduce costs.

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Asked a neutral observer-- chatGPT. 😇😋🤣

Someone has claimed they found an alien mummy.  They have x-rays and DNA results they claim are evidence.  Others have pointed out the bones look to be from multiple different animals, and humans, glued together.  The DNA results claim the sequences are unlike anything seen.  What would you do to explore the findings if you had to repeat them, and how large a team would it take to do so...  that includes a full forensic analysis of the mummies, and redoing the DNA analysis.  You are doing this at the level of a high-end medical laboratory or FBI-level forensics research.  Give me a detailed point-by-point analysis, then the costs required.

ChatGPT:  Investigating a claim of an alien mummy with the rigor of a high-end medical laboratory or FBI-level forensics research would require a multi-disciplinary approach. Here's a step-by-step analysis of the process:

1. Forensic Examination of the Mummy: 

Visual Examination: Begin with a thorough visual examination to document the mummy's appearance, including any signs of tampering or alteration.
Radiographic Analysis: Use X-rays to examine the internal structure of the mummy. This will help identify any inconsistencies in bone structure or evidence of multiple species.

CT Scanning: This provides a more detailed view of the internal structures and can help identify any hidden anomalies.

Microscopic Analysis: Examine tissue samples under a microscope to identify any signs of tampering or to determine the age of the tissues.

Team Required: Forensic anthropologist, radiologist, forensic pathologist.

2. DNA Analysis:

Sample Collection: Extract DNA samples from various parts of the mummy to ensure a comprehensive analysis.

DNA Sequencing: Sequence the DNA to determine its genetic makeup.

Comparison with Known Species: Compare the DNA sequences with known species to identify any matches or anomalies.

Contamination Check: Ensure that the samples haven't been contaminated with human or other DNA.

Team Required: Molecular biologist, geneticist, bioinformatician.

3. Chemical Analysis:

Tissue Analysis: Analyze the tissue samples to determine their chemical composition and to identify any preservatives or adhesives.

Isotope Analysis: This can provide information about the mummy's diet and geographical origin.

Team Required: Forensic chemist, biochemist.

4. Historical and Cultural Analysis:

Provenance Research: Determine the origin of the mummy, its history, and any previous owners or handlers.

Cultural Analysis: Consult with experts on ancient cultures to determine if the mummy fits within any known historical or cultural context.

Team Required: Historian, archaeologist, cultural anthropologist.

5. Documentation and Reporting:

Photographic Documentation: Document every step of the investigation with high-resolution photographs.
Detailed Reporting: Compile a comprehensive report detailing the findings, methodologies used, and conclusions.

Team Required: Forensic photographer, technical writer.
Cost Estimation:

Forensic Examination:
Equipment (X-ray machine, CT scanner, microscopes): $500,000 - $1,000,000
Personnel: $300,000 (annual salaries combined)

DNA Analysis:
Equipment (DNA sequencers, lab equipment): $200,000 - $500,000
Personnel: $250,000 (annual salaries combined)

Chemical Analysis:
Equipment (mass spectrometers, chromatographs): $100,000 - $300,000
Personnel: $200,000 (annual salaries combined)

Historical and Cultural Analysis:
Research materials, travel, consultations: $50,000 - $100,000
Personnel: $150,000 (annual salaries combined)

Documentation and Reporting:
Equipment (cameras, software): $10,000 - $50,000
Personnel: $100,000 (annual salaries combined)

Total Estimated Cost: $1,110,000 - $2,600,000 (This is a rough estimate and actual costs could vary based on location, specific equipment used, and other variables.)

This investigation would be comprehensive and would aim to either validate or debunk the claim of an alien mummy. The team would work collaboratively, sharing findings and consulting with each other throughout the process.  At the end of the process, the results would be submitted for peer-review prior to making formal claims.

Anyone got a couple of million hanging around that they want to waste on a fake alien? lol.

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So I dont understand, are they showing people real aliens?  :o :o :o :o

OK so it's hard to tell. 100% some of the bodies in the past that Jaime Maussan has presented are ancient bodies that have been found. Called mummified but actually petrified. They aren't alien. The X-rays of these bodies have had children human bones from say a leg (femur) placed in the bodies humorous position to elongate it. The upper arm. It was also found that whomever constructed these corpses placed tie bones in some of the finger positions to make them longer and in the wrist areas various finger bones were just well dumped in a mish mash. The final straw was that although some of the bodies had naturally very elongated skulls (sciencists) claim this was probably due to head binding of a child, a common practice in some areas of then world then, that some of the skulls had been assembled from the front half of a child and the back of the skull was actually a lamas skull turned round.

Now as gruesome as that sounds he's never been charged with any such crime. Skeptics have but no authorities have. And he lives in infamy. And then they wheeled him out at the end of the Mexican USP hearings and he opened the boxes ro reveal two more skeletal remains.

This is where is gets wierd. The two he brought out have been examined and a genome sequence extracted and registered. Gary Nolan a very well respected scientist has stated he is too busy to do the work examining the sequence and it will take quite a bit of finding and a year roughly to get to the bottom of it. Errors were made and human cross contamination did happen. That said it only exhibits 70% human dna and 30% unknown. Further more the various documentaries debunking these bodies didn't feature the specific ones he wheel out. X-rays have been taken and many many tests done by the Mexican governments medical officer and he has concluded they are not human.

There are anomalies. Whilst it doesn't appear that any bones are where they shouldn't be there doesn't appear to be any room for lungs. This means they're fake or had a different breathing method. Their skulls do not appear to have been tampered with. The only question really hangs over their legs. Normally the top of the femur (thigh bone) would have a ball on top. So that it can freely move. Neither body has a ball. But that's human and animal anatomy and perhaps they had some different structure there that has disintegrated. The female shows on x-ray to have 3 eggs inside her consistent with some form of amphibian anatomy and there are rumours now surfacing that the closest match to the 30% is turtle dna. But it's in no way definitive.

The debunkers are popping champaign corks morning noon and night. Believers are disgusted with the whole thing and word is going around that the inteligence community are breathing a sigh of relief.

As the ashes are falling Mike Pence gets collared by an Interviewer and asked
I: Did you get briefed on UFOs
MP: I did.
I: Do they exist?
MP: Well it doesn't exist but I'll tell you I've been out to area 51 and I didn't see anything there that wasn't from here.

Which means UFOs do exists. You can't be briefed on something if it isn't real. I mean youde have to have the IQ of chicken feed to believe otherwise but even if his briefing was they don't exists he wasn't prepared to say that and randomly started offering lack of aliens at area 51. He's being roasted about that now. Silly answer to a yes or no question. And made things worse for himself. Oh well meh.

So back to bodies they've been tested to death according to the Mexican government but honestly it's a blood bath. Americans Vs Mexicans is a vile experience to watch and this is being used as another stick to beat the Mexicans with. But the scientific data has been released to the public and you can go and look at the genome sequence yourself. It's a f'ing large file apprently lol. I think garry nolannsaid somwthing about 4TB of data maybe he said GB but still lol.

There its a waiting game on the two from the hearings with a dodgy slap dash examination of them in the past brought forward to today as irrefutable evidence of their fakeness. Except most of what the morons are waving around is related to the known fakes. We'll see.

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Following that on reddit. They even released DNA data.

Waiting for this to hit front page news.

They should send these corpses to other Universities around the world or invite their specialists to come in.

lol I know I've just read all that. According to those who may know, the DNA is 30% unknown dna.

However that video does feature them and showed a femur where the arm should be and another showed that half the skull came from a lama. I mean different corpses to these but a worrying link to a suspected hoaxer. Then again people should beware that the pages of the Internet are full of experts in all manner of fields who have an interest in UAP.

Interestingly James Fox, Ross Coulthart, Jeremy Corbell, Geroge Knapp and Bryce Zabel to name a few are completely silent on the issue. Literally nothing.

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So .... The Mexican government had their UAP hearings a few hours ago. It was all going smoothly when after hearing from Ryan Graves and watching some Mexican military recorded UAP activity they decided to show what had been sitting in a couple of boxes on the presentation table.

Dead Aliens. And I ain't even joking. Just thumped them out there on the table. Along with their experts and the result of a tonne of tests. They were found in Nasca in 2017 and have been carbon dated to around 1000 years. No translation of the hearings which were broadcast in Mexican has been uploaded yet but .... lol ... just wow.

https://youtu.be/4HUB1rvVej4?feature=shared


but .... isn't there always a but ... around the time they were discovered there were others that have allegedly been proven to be completely fake. And the Mexican government produced these at the hearings as real... yet they feature in this horrendous, toe curling, dire debunking video. Along with others.

https://youtu.be/-DmDHF6jN9A?feature=shared

So it comes down to who do you believe. The scientific community of Mexico or ... utuber who explains where he got that its fake from.

Enjoy


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Not had chance to watch it ...

David Grusch has given another interview. 2 hours long. Not sure what's in it but it was rumoured that he would be unmuzzled very soon. Maybe this is that interview.

https://youtu.be/kRO5jOa06Qw?feature=shared

enjoy

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Things suddenly accelerated. There has been significant pushback from the Pentagon and elements (Mike Turner) within Congress. Turner's patch contains Wright Patterson AFB and all the major government defence contractors contribute to his campaign. So it has left the Grusch issue to hang.
No one has as yet gotten Grusch in a scif since his testimony in public. Which is odd because he's offered to walk people up to the doors where the craft are held as long as they give themselves the clearances required. Turner has fought for no more hearings at all and certainly no more public hearings.

If you're an American and you want to apply pressure there is a proformas you can complete and directly contact your local congressional representative. It's your money they are giving away to this. Make it worth it. Because ifnyou don't, or even if you do and they don't listen ....

https://twitter.com/MetaStudioLogic/status/1699210034666971230?s=20

it's going to go another way apparently. Here James Fox explains how.

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Historic Discovery: Fossilized Extraterrestrial Head Unearthed in Oregon


thanks, i figured this might raise the quality of a constant rain of drivel, hearsay & other blah blah blah

Saw this and thought of you ...


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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Historic Discovery: Fossilized Extraterrestrial Head Unearthed in Oregon


Seattle, 31 August 2023 In a groundbreaking moment for the scientific community and space enthusiasts alike, a team of researchers from the Discovery Institute in Seattle has uncovered an astonishing artifact: the fossilized head of an extraterrestrial being. The discovery promises to reshape our understanding of the cosmos and ignite new discussions about life beyond Earth.


I believe this was an attempt at humor or ridicule. Fascinating.
A for effort. F for the content.

thanks, i figured this might raise the quality of a constant rain of drivel, hearsay & other pseudo-science posted here. at least i have a nice rock i can place in my garden w legitimate Oregon fossils. besides it only took a few minutes to get a draft from ChatGPT to write my 'press release'

Unfortunately you've failed spectacularly and merely contaminated the drivel with a rather large dollop of ego.

This constant rain is easily avoided isn't it? Are we dealing with some form of home invasion where persons unknown have you, bound and gagged to a chair constantly hitting refresh to make you watch. Or is it some pedestrian pebble fetish you need to share. Clearly you have zero interest in this thread. Like less than zero. And only post to dilute the thread and attempt to start arguments. A grown arse man. I'm genuinely fascinated. That takes determination and valuable time. You really have to work at that sh#t. I mean lol its wierd but ok 🤣 👍

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Historic Discovery: Fossilized Extraterrestrial Head Unearthed in Oregon


Seattle, 31 August 2023 In a groundbreaking moment for the scientific community and space enthusiasts alike, a team of researchers from the Discovery Institute in Seattle has uncovered an astonishing artifact: the fossilized head of an extraterrestrial being. The discovery promises to reshape our understanding of the cosmos and ignite new discussions about life beyond Earth.

The fossil was found on an Oregon beach in a fossil layer from 20 million years ago. The research team, comprised of paleontologists, astrobiologists, and geologists, has been meticulously analyzing the find and conducting comprehensive tests to ensure its authenticity.

Dr. Asuman Koska, the lead paleontologist on the project, expressed her excitement, stating, "This discovery is unlike anything we've encountered before. The fossilized head showcases  features that are distinctly non-human, indicating an origin far beyond our planet. We are at the dawn of a new era in paleontology, one that challenges our preconceptions about life in the universe."

The fossil itself measures approximately 7" x 4" x 4" and is remarkably well-preserved, bearing features that resemble a blend of familiar Earth creatures while possessing otherworldly characteristics. Initial examinations suggest that the being might have possessed sensory organs and cranial structures that differ significantly from any known species on Earth.



 

And you're an adult of advanced years too. Wow.

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Well it's here .... AARO has its own publicly accessible website where they claim they will be revealing all the secrets or lack there of. After much pressure allegedly they will be publishing it with declassified photos and videos.

Those who are in contact within sources in the inteligence agencies and AARO and the back engineering programmes say that this is going to be a fake front to appease the masses.

https://www.aaro.mil/

see for yourself.

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Deputy Secretary of Defense Kathleen Hicks takes over direct control of AARO and now Sean Kirkpatrick must report to her directly after she changed the procedure. Interestingly I believe she worked at some point for Matt Gaetz.

https://defensescoop.com/2023/08/30/hicks-takes-direct-oversight-of-pentagons-uap-office-new-reporting-website-to-be-launched/

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Another interesting UFO related one this week:

https://ohnopodcast.com/investigations/2023/8/27/ross-and-brian-dunning-and-the-ufo-movie-they-dont-want-you-to-see

That was actually very interesting thank you.

He made two errors which aren't correct.

1. Trained observers do exist. He claimed that they asked several pilots (didnt specify what type) and trained observes don't exist, and Ross stated that, that statement really annoys him so much. They are both incorrect because military personnel who perform specific roles do train to observe. It is a constant process. They are given thick updated books which contain silhouettes of all craft. Ships, planes, helicopters, submarines etc and on and on and they are shown in different orientations. They are so proficient at it they can name specific ships in most navy's purely based on antenna layout or wing formations etc. So that was I'll informed.

2. Mick West did a great .... no he didn't. Whenever you begin a sentence with Mick West did a great ... the remainder of that sentence is rendered null and void.

In the pro UFO camp nothing is progressing. The internal war has intensified.

Senator Mike Turner who's constituency contains a major private aerospace contractor and who's campaign funds are heavily loaded with all the major private aerospace contractors payments was interviewed a few weeks ago regarding the hearings and his response was ...

"You know Maria I always love it when someone comes foreward and testifies about something they have no idea about . The most striking thing about all of the testimony was repeatedly over and over again, the whistle blowers had to say over and over again, I don't have any knowledge of this somebody told me that"

 Only one whistle blower and 2 decorated Navy top gun pilots with very distinguished careers and also first hand witnesses themselves. But facts aren't important eh Mike Turner. Even the whistle blowers career and distinguished service destroys Mike Turner's life down to nothing.

Interviewer "So no Aliens on Earth then"?

Turner " um ... er ... pffff ... erm .... w.... er ... Maria I certainly can't tell you that there are no aliens on Earth .... " No because that would mean you lied on live TV wouldn't it Mike. Good save not.

But Mike was fuming after that interview and has been allegedly running around telling his underlings to stop talking about UAP and aliens and has stipulated that he doesn't want any more UAP hearings to take place in public. That was also leaked and he isn't allegedly very happy that this has now become public knowledge.

So he is running around an awful lot over things that don't exist. And the internal war continues after an expose by and ex NASA scientist who has implied that all UAP are probably China. Stirring anti Chinese sentiments. Now it's all China's fault. If that were true this forum would be in Mandarin not English.


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That was wasted effort again. You seem keen on that. Or maybe you've got some kind of memory issue. 
 ...

Adam Frank - clearly a moron. Hearsay only counts as evidence in legal terminology and 'Frank'ly his opinion is irrelevant. Because David Gruschs superiors who investigated his claims (we'll say claims but actually it was a sanctioned investigation into all special projects over 4 years) and they found his 'hearsay' credible and urgent. But then they had the clearances to see the evidence for themselves unlike this pillock. Surprised youde include that dross but whateva.

Shermer - he has his baseless opinion which he is entitled to make a living from.

Carroll - who lol.

Peter - same old same old. Rinse repeat.

...Adam Frank ... writes drivel about hearsay then goes on to lie. ...
Carroll - irrelevant. Apprentky despite being a physicist and cosmologist it doesn't preclude you from being a moron. ...
 .... And I won't be bullied into not posting by said entitled brats.

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I didn't "attack" stop being childish and dramatic. This isn't Ellen or Dr Phil.


LOL - not an attack in sight - clearly you have no facts or evidence so you just resort to  personal slurs[emphasis gladly added]

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He keeps stating the same incorrect information despite it being repeatedly told to him. Willfully.

'told' is neither evidence nor fact'

 'willfully' - now you're a mind reader?
 

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Shermer - a skeptic with no clearances says otherwise.
as if being a skeptic is disqualifying? Shermer has been examining and testing pseudoscience & flimflam and exposing their deceptions & lies for decades   

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NASA has only begun investigating UAPs. Fact. This has been stated previously. Fact. Had he bothered to research it for himself he would have remembered it. Fact. So NASA has zero credibility in this scenario. Also fact. Further more their research will not determine origins only technical capabilities.

you may be unaware, but that is how science is done - form a TESTABLE hypothesis and gather evidence. even with  proof of alien contact we'll have no idea of origin(unless they have a road map in their glove compartment - they must use gloves for their anal probes, right?)

NASA has assembled a team. To discuss how best to detect UAP. That's it. A month ago. And you ... you think they are currently viable as a paragon of credibility when they apparently state there is no evidence of much? Is that how science is done. State as fact a theory and set out to prove your theory correct. OK 🙄 like Mick West ... who you trust isn't it.

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they must use gloves for their anal probes, right?


... not childish at all 🙄 but then you'll "gotchya" with a no sense of humour jibe like normal.

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as if being a skeptic is disqualifying? Shermer has been examining and testing pseudoscience & flimflam and exposing their deceptions & lies for decades

Maybe he should have worked harder at school, got himself a job in the American Inteligance Agency and a degree in physics and then worked his way up the ladder and after shooting bad guys in a war and seeing his friends killed get employed in a top secret government role investigating all of Americas top secret projects with all his clearances. Instead he didn't and got himself a job requiring zero qualifications other than purchasing a decent Internet speed. And from the comfort of his home studio he garners gullible muppets who do zero research to run around whining about proof. While he watches the clickybank fill to brimming. That Shermer? OK then 👌

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'told' is neither evidence nor fact'

 'willfully' - now you're a mind reader?

So there were no UAP hearings in Congress then? He was told about them. Where congressman Matt Gaetz specifically spoke. And has given testimony. Testimony about visiting a base to interview pilots who interacted with UAP and look at their footage which all present found shocking and undeniable. Where the base commander initially refused them.permission to see the footage. Or speak to the pilots.. But had to be muzzled. And the CIA sat there present. What that isn't a fact? Because it is a fact. Again you see waffling on and blustering but woefully inept on substance. Much like Peter who has willfully ignored any and all questions and willfully ignores any facts because he chooses not to absorb them. Had he done so he wouldn't have wasted time typing all that nonsense yesturday. But nope. Willfully refuses to listen, learn, research. No doubt the Bermuda triangle will rise from the seabed next and be thrown about like I've actually shown any leaning towards it. Like AT all.

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LOL - not an attack in sight - clearly you have no facts or evidence so you just resort to  personal slurs[emphasis gladly added

gladly ... that tells you all you need to know about you. Likes to cause an argument obviously. As if the previous 17 pages left any doubt 🤦

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now ... regarding what's coming this video recorded in 2014 features Boyde Bushman and may give a hint.

https://youtu.be/nd_ZXgObNNg?feature=shared

It's quite hard to locate and will no doubt be taken down in the coming weeks. We'll see.

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That was wasted effort again. You seem keen on that. Or maybe you've got some kind of memory issue. Certainly selective amnesia.

NASA - spending $100,000.00 to investigate UAP. Which isn't even lunch money and they started a month ago. Credibility - ZERO

Adam Frank - clearly a moron. Hearsay only counts as evidence in legal terminology and 'Frank'ly his opinion is irrelevant. Because David Gruschs superiors who investigated his claims (we'll say claims but actually it was a sanctioned investigation into all special projects over 4 years) and they found his 'hearsay' credible and urgent. But then they had the clearances to see the evidence for themselves unlike this pillock. Surprised youde include that dross but whateva.

Shermer - he has his baseless opinion which he is entitled to make a living from.

Carroll - who lol.

Peter - same old same old. Rinse repeat.

You asked for facts that contradict and then attack the person not the established reliable sources.

I didn't "attack" stop being childish and dramatic. This isn't Ellen or Dr Phil.

He keeps stating the same incorrect information despite it being repeatedly told to him. Willfully.

I don't think I'll take lectures about being attacked from you.

NASA has only begun investigating UAPs. Fact. This has been stated previously. Fact. Had he bothered to research it for himself he would have remembered it. Fact. So NASA has zero credibility in this scenario. Also fact. Further more their research will not determine origins only technical capabilities.

Adam Frank ... writes drivel about hearsay then goes on to lie. Had Pete remembered or bothered to research himself he would have known/remembered that fact which is now a matter of congressional record. But no let's by all means cherry pick lies over facts. You' condone that apprently which makes you just as unreliable. Lies. Not facts.

Carroll - irrelevant. Apprentky despite being a physicist and cosmologist it doesn't preclude you from being a moron. Which he is for the very reasons already stated. Those with clearances have investigated already, those claims by David Grusch and found them.credible and urgent.

**DO YOU HEAR THAT. CREDIBLE AND URGENT.**

People who actually have the correct clearances have investigated it and corroborated David Gruschs investigative findings.

Shermer - a skeptic with no clearances says otherwise. Shock. He makes a living from doing so. Shock. So this means nothing. Belly button fluff and nonsense. Another person who doesn't have clearances, isn't in the military or intelligence services or the government or anything but a utube studio ... says different. And .... lol. What does your aunt say. I'll ask mine and let you know .... pathetic.

I didn't ask for anything apart from accidental captures of UAP whilst taking photos for stock. What happened afterwards was a bunch of very unpleasant people piled in and began behaving like entitled brats. That's not an attack. It's a fact. Like children smirking and posting in a thread they had no interest in nor belief in.

I have posted events that have happened as by chance it came out of the blue. And I won't be bullied into not posting by said entitled brats.

As for poor Peter. Give me a break. He keeps coming back here to post crap and stir the **** doesn't he. Poor little little lamb 🤣  yeah right.

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That was wasted effort again. You seem keen on that. Or maybe you've got some kind of memory issue. Certainly selective amnesia.

NASA - spending $100,000.00 to investigate UAP. Which isn't even lunch money and they started a month ago. Credibility - ZERO

Adam Frank - clearly a moron. Hearsay only counts as evidence in legal terminology and 'Frank'ly his opinion is irrelevant. Because David Gruschs superiors who investigated his claims (we'll say claims but actually it was a sanctioned investigation into all special projects over 4 years) and they found his 'hearsay' credible and urgent. But then they had the clearances to see the evidence for themselves unlike this pillock. Surprised youde include that dross but whateva.

Shermer - he has his baseless opinion which he is entitled to make a living from.

Carroll - who lol.

Peter - same old same old. Rinse repeat.


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Here's the basis hypothesis. They see a light in the sky that they can't identify, it must be space aliens. A extreme leap and conclusion without any basis.


What is coming? When?

You've clearly made up your mind that nothing is coming.

Why won't you tell us?
"Personally I want disclosure or rather full disclosure so that we can put the secrecy to bed and get on with learning what we can. "

 You say you know, you won't answer because you don't like us? Where's the full disclosure.

lol no of course not. I don't dislike you. I may find some people who have posted tedious and rude but everyone is different and I can choose to not read things.

I won't tell you because I can't tell you. What should have happened hasn't because... well because of a few reasons.

Much more video should have been released. David Gruschs claims whilst they have been investigated and corroborated and other whisteblowers who worked on the craft jave also been interviewed ... the Pentagon has refused to cooperate further.

Senator Schumer has got laws through part way or all they way now that make it illegal to withhold materials not of earth including ufo and components and bodies etc. It was very specific and broad at the same time. It gave the givernmnent eminent domain over that stuff. But nothing had come of it. Because they've been told no. Further more although the Whitehouse is pushing this as well they are insisting it go through AARO and Sean Kirpatrick says nothing to see. Even though it is known he has been shown significant things. So until someone leaks somwthing big ... what can happen.

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