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Not a chance.  Ended years ago When Getty Images launched Premium Access.  Since then it's been a race to the bottom.

Actually it started long before that. It started when Istock created Istock and a ton of cool newbie hipsters swarmed to the celebration of selling their work at low prices -but in volume. It was at this time "editors" got replaced with "inspectors". It was at this time the race to the bottom started more or less. The whole crowd sourcing model was great for a few for a few years but that particular model destroyed the industry for all of us.

And to answer the original post - not a chance.

no, it was the invention of royalty free

no it was the invention of stock photography instead of custom

no, it was the invention of photography

no, it was the invention of the printing press


As far as the original question, it is possible for an individual to do well and make money, but it will require a lot of work or originality or research or better access or something. Gone are the days of just shooting a bunch of pics and making good money for it. Even if what we get per sale doesn't continue to go down, inflation will erode our take, and the competition will continue to grow. 

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That is better than I would have expected -  Yay for book covers. I guess you also need to take the cost of the drone into account and so on, but there is a value to learning new skills and so on too. For the last 10 years or more I don't think this has been a particularly wise way to make money - it can be done, but probably there are easier ways.

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Invested in a drone. Letting the machine do the legwork for me!

What do you think your return on investiment on the drone is? $/ hour spent with it? (not so much the learning to fly, but actual set up, flight, processing time). You got some good stuff - but I don't know if the return is there anymore.

I have played a bit with a little drone, but haven't really tried much stock stuff - mostly because I am lazy and also they are not allowed at a lot of the most scenic places I'd like to use for stock (national parks / wilderness). It also doesn't help that I live very close to a small airport so there are some restrictions within walking distance.

Probably the best return for me is keeping my eyes and mind open for "plop and shoot" opportunities - especially things that aren't all that common but might be sellers as well as backgrounds - stuff I can just shoot, minimally process and keyword and upload. Sure, most are very poor sellers, but they don't take much work compared to my other minimal sellers, and a few sell ok over time. - so take your camera with you and keep an open mind to photo ops. - you can't make a living doing that, but I am dubious about making a living these days without more work than it would take to make a living doing lots of other things.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Rejection patterns.
« on: April 25, 2023, 14:54 »
you forgot a few...

new submitters get a bump in search
sales stop right before I get to payout
posts in the site forum boost sales
reviewers reject images that will compete with their own images

I too used to have a SS resubmit folder - I think almost all of the resubmitted images were accepted. I haven't bothered renaming it AS resubmit.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Rejection patterns.
« on: April 24, 2023, 14:14 »
I do get a small perccentage of seemingly random rejections for "image quality" that I just shrug and move on (and some image quality rejections for high iso or otherwise marginal images). Also a few rejections for copyright that aren't crazy. Otherwise I haven't noticed any pattern or trend for image rejections at Adobe.

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It seems like there should be a way to demand the sales of illegally uploaded images along with the DMCA notice, but we all know that not only does SS not really care, they actively are annoyed at people that point out stolen ports.

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Some more "cool" portfolios for you to enjoy  ;D
...
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/please+help+share+recommend+and+promote+me+THANK+YOU?sort=newest&page=3

Especially those contributors from your series:
https://www.shutterstock.com/de/g/ZainKhalid09
https://www.shutterstock.com/de/g/MaikAachen
https://www.shutterstock.com/de/g/SanMirza

My favorite part:

Superstar
Shutterstock customers love this asset!


Really? These are getting high numbers of downloads or is there some other monkey business going on with these? And one with 56 is everything identical two times? What happened to duplicate detection?

customers love this - yeah, right

maybe everything is duplicated because there is a vector and raster version, or maybe there are just 2 of everything because they can.

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Bigstock.com / Re: Message from Bigstock - why?
« on: April 05, 2023, 11:04 »
If I were cynical and I thought that SS was greedy and evil I would suspect that they are trying to get everyone to cash out a few months before they stop operations so that they can keep all the new sales that don't add up to the cashout amount. That would be exciting news indeed.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: This month's sales
« on: April 03, 2023, 10:55 »
Wow.  March was the worst month on Shutterstock since the very first month I started, Jan 2014.

So I dont have to feel bad they kicked me out

They are dropping for many people. Perhaps keeping a forum, positively interacting with producers and sensible royalties would have been better for their business.

Which producer is going to recommend clients to them?

But I am sure somebody brilliant will have the perfect solutioncut the royalties even more. 5 cents instead of 10 cents. Or 1 cent??

I suspect the next exciting news will be some sort of less than transparent revenue share scheme where SS gets more and we get less.

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Alamy.com / Re: Alamy, time to opt out
« on: April 01, 2023, 13:03 »
good reminder.

At a minimum I would suggest opting out of China Distribution sales - you know the ones you get nothing for because out of a 3 cent sale the distributor gets 2 cents and Alamy gets one cent (or maybe it is the other way around).

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I expect the erosion of sales and the erosion of pay to continue. Depending on what sort of content you sell this might speed up or not. I suspect at some point the AI will use people to continue to refine - for example it produces a number of images based on the request - then based on what the requester picks, it decides that is what it should produce. Also at some point those images will be available for licensing.

So far so called AI still needs something to start with - at the moment that is whatever is available - with a huge keyworded stock library especially valuable - If the stock libraries fill up with AI generated and keyworded content, the AI will train off of that and drift in whatever way that stuff goes. Probably towards whatever was popular recently and whatever is being bought. When something new comes along it can be wildly popular for a while, until people get sick of it - for example HDR images or video with very shallow depth of field or right now AI generated stuff. Except the AI stuff doesn't have to have a particular AI look.

In general good enough is good enough for customers, and even though the chance of your image making it in the wildly over-represented categories for many of them there are still a lot of sales, the pie is just sliced too thin to make it worthwhile for most artists to add more. It remains to be seen if AI images based on reality are good enough or if people actually want reality for things like landscapes and city scapes and will people even be able to tell the difference. Maybe google street view images are good enough or the AI can use them as a starting point to produce much prettier images that are close enough to replace actual images. Also if the sites decide that they want to push AI down in the search it would severely limit its effect on sales on that platform - until the sales go elsewhere or AI images that aren't labeled as such take over.

It will be interesting to see where this goes - I certainly don't predict anything good for photographers although as usual it is probably possible to use this at least in the short term for some gain. I doubt the stock photo business will be anywhere near dead in a year or less, but I also very seriously doubt it will be the same or better for photographers. My prediction for the future remains about the same - long term this is a losing proposition and it will get worse before it gets worse but it won't just stop immediately, just a long descent.

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I do remember scheming to sign up while on an overseas trip to get a Fotolia account with GBP (at the time I think that was the most beneficial) or Euros - still better than the $ pay at the time. I never put it into practice though. It was a little shady that people got paid more or less depending on where they were located. I also remember a few people in Europe that somehow were signed up with US$ accounts and had a very hard time trying to change them.

It sucks that you now have to pay excessive currency exchange fees, but it is perfectly reasonable that everyone gets paid the same for each type of sale - or at least has access to getting paid the same if they make enough sales.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Is it worth uploading to IStock?
« on: March 22, 2023, 19:22 »
In my experience uploading to IS was much more of a pain than DT but IS sold more than DT. You only get 15% of each sale at IS. 

I still upload to DT, but not IS.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe sales
« on: March 21, 2023, 14:38 »
This article may help explain why the number of "custom" versus "subscription" royalties has been growing so fast in the last couple of months:

https://petapixel.com/2023/03/21/adobe-fights-off-canva-by-making-its-alternative-impossible-to-ignore/

I hope they don't next follow with the all you can eat but pay < a cent per use model

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Alamy.com / Re: Is Alamy off line today?
« on: March 19, 2023, 17:27 »
the contributor side dashboard has been off and on for me today - on now - 15:27 west coast USA. I haven't tried anything else.

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I think the last real improvement to the contributor experience there was about 2008.

Since then it has been nothing but exciting news.

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Canva / Re: Canva earnings are continuing to go down
« on: March 12, 2023, 18:25 »
It looks like Feb earnings are posted, and although applies were up 24% and exports were up 18% actual $ earnings were only up .57% and total $ earnings actually went down because I had more individual sales in January (which gives you an idea of how small the Elements earning increase was since individual sales are in the single digits these months.)

So, an awful lot of sales for not much $ for us and basically earnings continue to fall despite the customers getting fat at the all you can eat buffet.

Does anyone know what "applies" and "exports" really mean? Danny?

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Canva / Re: Canva earnings are continuing to go down
« on: March 11, 2023, 14:23 »
For February my "applies" are up 24% and "exports" are up 18%. We shall see if that translates to any increase in earnings when they report that later this month.

At least in my case it did not. The three bigger spikes are in February. Applied +51 and exports +17 when compared to the previous month. In January I made $ 874 and in February $ 887. So that's almost the same despite the increase in applies and exports.
For now the dashboard seems pretty useless when it comes to predicting income.

May I ask where to view this statistic? I can only find earnings for royalties and individual sales, but nothing that gives me an indication as to how many times an images has been applied or exported.

go to

https://www.canva.com/creators/element

and then select "dashboard" somewhere in the middle upper section of the page, and then you can select one of their selected time periods on the right side where it says "filter page by"



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Alamy.com / Re: Alamy Mass Downloads - AGAIN?
« on: March 10, 2023, 15:35 »
I got a bunch of top up payments from 12 of the wrong in multiple ways sales from last year. I guess it is the thought that counts, since the total is for less than 25 cents.

I don't know if more are coming. Hopefully Alamy has learned not to allow this sort of sale, but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe sales
« on: March 07, 2023, 12:54 »
Thanks for sharing that analysis.

The other thing to remember is inflation - so even if things are steady they are really going down. It seems everything costs more except for stock. I know this isn't entirely true, but not so very far off either.

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Canva / Re: Canva earnings are continuing to go down
« on: March 04, 2023, 14:19 »
For February my "applies" are up 24% and "exports" are up 18%. We shall see if that translates to any increase in earnings when they report that later this month.

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I think the best seller sales over time graph would be easier to read if the 0 was the bottom line on your graph - not some point in space above it.

I'm sorry, but I cannot get which chart are you referring to? All charts in the best-seller section of the blogpost are per year. If you refer to the chart in the "how much your files can earn", each column is a certain range of earnings (e.g. $0.1-1).


the 30 day moving average graph for the cat pic

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Thanks to Steve and your work for this data.

It would be interesting to chop the files count by lifetimes earnings at a finer slice - and then graph the total earnings by # of files - what is the sweet spot - is it really images that make ~80$ each, or more like ~50$ or what?

I still think there are a number of things out of our control that make the difference between a decent seller and a top seller - mostly those are the vagaries of sales and the how the sites decide to display the images. I'm sure Steve has produced more images of his cat and I suspect that some have done well and some not well at all - and as you say - it is hard to impossible to predict which ones will perform better - and the fact that some images do great on only one site suggests that it can be as much the site as the image itself. Still, producing a lot of good content is the most likely way to get decent and top sellers.

I suspect that Steve's top earners from 2020 are due to his recognition of trends - probably mostly around Covid and producing images that met those trends in a timely manner - well done. My facemask images produced early in 2020 didn't go anywhere, but it was a pretty half-hearted effort and I didn't have any old theater marques to play with.

I think timeless images could have a very long 1/2 life especially compared to current trend images - the fall off of sales is more due to how the agencies treat them than the images themselves. Stuff like wildlife and landscapes could age very well - unless the agencies just push them down over time solely based on their age - in which case maybe you should just re-upload everything every 10 or 15 years or once there are no sales after a certain period - in fact this is something that could be done automatically by a program even after you are no longer putting any effort into image production. 

My personal best seller at SS had daily sales until one day it didn't - it went from a top line on page one for a one word search to nowhere in the top 10 pages one day and the sales went away too. I think predictions for how sales would be 10 or 20 years out are on very shaky ground. I think with a large enough portfolio sales will go down to some low level and then putter along at that level - until the sites change something or technology like AI images comes along and they go down even lower. We have some historical data for the last 15 years or so, but the changes in the industry over that time are enough that predictions based on that data are pretty suspect.

I think the best seller sales over time graph would be easier to read if the 0 was the bottom line on your graph - not some point in space above it.

I guess the real takeaway is no secret - consistently produce images that meet a need and upload them to a lot of sites and you will get a lot of sales and once you stop producing images sales will fall off - rapidly at first and then more slowly.

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Maybe interesting.
A comparison of average RPI from some stock photographers.
https://photutorial.com/how-much-can-you-make-selling-stock-photos/

I wonder if chatgpt wrote that. I've certainly had sales below the minimum listed there.

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