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« on: August 07, 2023, 07:39 »
Loreto De Mainas Peru - news reports began yesterday of footage of tribes running around firing weapons into the forest at night. A request for support was sent out by the villages because they were under attack. Translations have been slow because they speak Spanish with a slight local variation according to some. Original video which was shared widely. https://twitter.com/blackdragon1802/status/1687359847132438528?s=20Initially this was thought to be drug farmers attacking the villagers but after more video reports were uploaded the reports took a turn for the bizarre. The villagerrs had been attacked by 7 foot tall aliens wearing some sort of silver suit and ... floating ... along on some sort of small silver disk with red lights coming from it. Despite being shot repeatedly although being knocked down they soon got back up. They took a teenage girl hostage when cornered and cut her throat. As more villagers arrived they attempted to capture one and they chased them through the forest but they escaped in their craft. This has been happening for a few nights. in combination with this the navy and local authorities have dispatched personnel to the village to investigate and news paper reports have been removed as have utube clips. This long version of what was released initially shows the report. https://youtu.be/HBHIZ5MSyQ4 if you can't speak Spanish go to CC and select subtitles and in settings select your language or auto generate English. Upload from 4 fay's ago Further reports have surfaced of people being found along the river line dead with their faces cut off. Make of it what you will.
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« on: August 05, 2023, 12:50 »
It's not just this area. I sent an email to the dog food supplier saying they'd taken the money and could they let me know when they're gonna send it because normally its the day after. The email shows in sent. But today ... the A.I. has read the contents of my email and thought to itself hey this is important the dog needs food so it has sent me an email entitled "Note To Self" with the details of the email ... so I don't forget 😳
I mean wtaf.
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« on: August 05, 2023, 08:48 »
Ross Coulhart and Bryce Zabel explain some of the developments and events since the UAP congressional hearings. https://youtu.be/0oVa3xU34Dk
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« on: August 05, 2023, 02:43 »
Recent debate between: Michael Shermer - 'The' Skeptic Destiny - political commentator and utuber Daniel Pinchbeck - Author and conspiracy theorist Bill Ottman - Co founder of Minds/freedom of info activist James Fox - UAP researcher and film maker https://youtu.be/zzgiM5RgIhUThe debate discusses the fallout and reaction to the recent congressional hearings and where things stand now. I don't agree with Shermer but you cannot deny he has a fairly even hand as a skeptic but what is hilarious is that James Fox who is a total gentleman and an exhaustive researcher loses it. For anyone who does follow James, he just does not attack. He is always very even-handed and open minded. Not so in this debate. But why ... ... on another more recent podcast yesterday he got pinned down about his involvement. He was asked if he knew of anything coning very soon that is going to kick this door open further. His reposnse was yes. When asked what it was his response was that he couldn't say because he was involved in this one. Which implies that Christopher Mellon is involved. So this interview is with him knowing much more about whats coming and he can't say anything about it.
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« on: August 04, 2023, 08:16 »
Perpetual motion machines - planets?
Planets are not perpetual motion machines. They lose energy when they do work like sending out gravitons or creating tidal forces.
You are arguing with someone who has no idea of what science is, but he believes his fake UFO SciFi trash.
That's a shame. And not a little infantile. Not enough hugs as a child?
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« on: August 03, 2023, 07:04 »
Captain KirkActor William Shatner gives his opinion about the latest UAP hearings. Rediculous he says ... https://youtu.be/CbL6iRkTvz0William Shatner the "singer" ... apparently ... Do not operate heavy machinery, or you are a person of a nervous disposition or if you are suffering mental health issues. Going where no man has gone before, with the hope that he may not find his way back I give you the one, the only William Shatner and Rocket Man https://youtu.be/8wI4jMxveyI
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« on: August 02, 2023, 01:55 »
Attempt Two ... as predicted wheel out the second stooge. Renowned debunker without any proof who regularly features to give expert testimony outside his field of expertise and does not believe in other civilisations traversing the universeSeth Shostak - who is the Senior astronomer for the SETI institute. Search for Extra Terrestrial Inteligence. "SHREDS WHISTLE BLOWERS CLAIMS" One wonders what clearances Seth is going to imply he has this time. https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/seti-institute-shreds-ufo-whistleblowers-210032638.htmlWell they claim he is a real alien hunter who very much believes in aliens. Clearly they haven't followed Seths continuous efforts to claim otherwise.
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« on: August 01, 2023, 05:30 »
From what I've heard of the congressional hearings so far they have been vastly underwhelming. It seems to be three "whistleblowers" who all believe that we have been visited by aliens, and at least one of them said they know 40 other guys who swear on their grandmothers' graves that they have seen alien craft and/or biologicals. And that is it - no proof of any kind, no documentation, no testimony from any of the people who supposedly have seen these things except second- or third-hand reports. And they can't say any more because it's classified. So what is the point? It all seems like a monumental waste of time to me.
So, you are relying on hearsay? Watch the hearing yourself. Documentation, including the names of involved people and addresses, has been provided to the Inspector General. Additional details have been provided behind closed doors, as I understand it. A guy who had been conducting an official investigation in this field testified under oath before the Congress. Do you grasp the magnitude of this event? That investigation had been his job, he just presented his findings in the Congress, under oath.
I've seen enough of it. Hearsay is what Grush has provided, not me. Looks like Congress is going to have a special investigation so maybe more will come out that way. However, I suspect none of these mythical alien craft will appear. I have no doubt the people testifying believe what they are saying, they just haven't provided any solid proof.
Why is all of this confined to the US? What about Canada, China. Brazil, Russia and other countries with large land areas? Surely they must have been the recipients of alien spacecraft - many more than the US - yet why have we not seen aliens rolled out in those countries? When people in other countries provide "evidence", it's always of the same type - somebody saw something they can't explain. Nothing tangible. Surely the US military couldn't classify materials collected in all those other countries, could they?
If this was some kind of farce, some kind of prank, then you, dear Americans, have some serious issues in your country
You haven't figured that out yet? We have much more serious problems than aliens - a large part of the population thinks the last election was stolen, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary (and none to support their conclusion) and they support someone for President as a supposed champion of democracy who's stated goal is to become a fascist dictator. Aliens are the least of our problems.
[I have a feeling that even if a giant UFO landed in front of the White House and aliens came out, many denialists would still deny it, because it doesn't fit into their world view. It would be "a trick of the light", or the infamous "swamp gas".
That is where you are dead wrong. Those of us who are skeptical of alien contact are not that way because of a world view but because of a lack of evidence. Provide even one alien craft or a body of an extraterrestrial that can be verified by independent scientific analysis and most of us will accept it. But if the only "evidence" is that somebody saw something they can't explain then that doesn't cut it. We will see what comes out of the continuing congressional hearings but I wouldn't hold my breath that they will uncover anything substantive - I just don't think there is anything more to provide.
I'm going to quote you here but also respond here to your response above to save pillars of quote. You are incorrect I am afraid. Totally and completely. Grusch has given public testimony under oath. That is evidence. As has Graves and Fravor. They aren't the only ones that have given testimony either. More ro come on that. 6 witnesses were due to testify. But 3 were encouraged not to either by their current employers or other means. This is being investigated. Regarding Grusch and hearsay please stop saying that. His testimony is not hearsay. That's a legal term as well as social. He bypassed the legal issue of hearsay because he is a witness himself. When he gave testimony under oath he testified to seeing documents and reports pertaining to crash retreival programmes and non human biologics and despite insincere mocking by some not just here, about rabbits and dolphins, he didnt mean that for certain. We don't get a congressional hearing for earth based animals. ********* Those reports were provided, supplied, given, shown, handed, passed, issued, etc .. to the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community ********* At this point he found them credible and urgent and he has gone on record stating firmly that this does NOT mean threats to Grusch as part of his whistle blower complaint. That's dealt with by another department. Credible and Urgent. At this point your opinion, mine and anyone else's becomes irrelevant. It doesn't matter about people hand wringing. It doesn't matter if they believe. It doesn't matter what Joe Biden thinks. It doesn't matter what the press say. Because the IGIC hit the big red button and the sh#t hit the fan with such a thud it sent it through a wall. Since then so much has happened. So hand wring away lol its irrelevant. When you state nothings happened again you are incorrect. I'm not going to list it. It's very public but not if you rely on MSM. There is a very obvious lack of reporting anything. In fact Sky news ONLY reported Kirkpatricks retort. That's it. Nothing more. But I believe what is happening next is getting Grusch in a skiff. The issue at present is there is a significant bun fight going on trying to get clearances to get him in a skif and the Pentagon fighting tooth and nail to stop it. Is that what happens when it's sweety wrappers, Bart Simpson balloons, light fittings and pan lids? This was the latest attempt ... wheel out a stooge ... Republican Mike Turner gives an interview to Fox news. It's all about China until she asks him about UAP hearings ... 5.40 onwards. He claims David Grusch doesn't know what he is talking about 😳 lol. But then Senator Mike turner's financial records were quickly sought and who are among his largest contributors https://youtu.be/Lz9FD6zJd5wLockhead Martin BAE systems Rathion to name a few.
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« on: July 31, 2023, 04:15 »
Various amendments have been proposed to the Whitehouse and have been refused. This one by Senator Schumer was not.
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« on: July 30, 2023, 18:45 »
Body Language experts gives his analysis of Grusch, Fravor and Graves testimony and conclusion. https://youtu.be/fhH0U6O35-U
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« on: July 29, 2023, 07:07 »
Pressure mounts as the Department of Defence confirms that the leaked letter allegedly from Sean Kirkpatrick head of AARO is confirmed as written by his own hand. His claim that Grusch didn't work for or with AARO is proven disingenuous as it was Gruschs job to liaise with them in his job title which was to investigate and catalogue all special projects to brief Congress. Doh! And how did he publish this tantrum ... on a linkedin page lol.
Further it has been shown that Kirkpatrick failed to share pertinent satellite imagery with Congress. Presumably that shows UAPs as this was the context in which they were required.
As I said Kirpatricks days are numbered. I imagine he will step aside rather soon. With a nice handshake no doubt 🙄
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« on: July 28, 2023, 13:57 »
Following the hearings Dr Sean Kirkpatrick has taken it upon himself to issue a personal statement regarding the allegations made by David Grusch. He makes two errors here ...
1. He should never jave done this because the allegations were levelled at him personally not the AARO organisation as a whole and
2. He lied. Despite the fact that he claims and doubles down at the end of the statement to claim no credible evidence has been seen by AARO it is a proven fact that following his statement stating this before Congress many service personnel who had supplied him and his team with video, radar, and eye witness testimony from a variety of cross referenced platforms (ship, shore and air data) He still claims that ... nothing to see here.
AARO for those who don't know consists of two teams. Each are given the data. They conclude what it is or isn't and then present him with their findings. If the findings are the same he writes a report presenting the facts. If not he sends it back to them until they agree or he makes the casting vote.
This isn't scientific because all that data falls back to one man not a large organisations. Two small teams. He has now employed a NASA contigent to "enhance" their findings using better sensors.
The reason this is hogwash is because until the chinese spey balloons many sensors had their sensitivity turned down because they kept being set off by UAPs. It was the Whitehouse who mandated the sensors be turned up.
Secondly Kirkpatrick isn't stating that UAPs don't exist although that's the implication.
His evidence and subsequent conclusions are only from a National Security perspective. Thats his mandate. If they deem it not an NS issue he categorises it as a null value
a NS issue is subjective as the hearings showed. Congress does not agree with Kirpatrick. So keep your eye out for his resignation before he's booted. Its coming. Kirpatricks butt hurt response.
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« on: July 28, 2023, 10:03 »
No, I do not. Inspriration by Star Trek is fine. However, I cannot take the Alcubierre drive particularly serious since it requires the existence of exotic matter or other forms of negative energy fields and even if they would be found, you would still have to produce them in large quantaties, which is unlikely to be feasible.
It is one thing to theorize about the theoretical possibility of such a drive and another to consider it as a pratical solution to the problem of interstellar travel, even for alien civilisations.
Yeah, at the moment it is certainly not feasible, no question about it. But that's not the point. The point is that you can think of loopholes in the theory of relativity. You don't violate any existing laws, and still reach the destination faster than light. Alcubierre drive is just one example of a loophole. It is conceivable that an advanced civilization has come up with other, possibly better loopholes including such that they can implement and use.
Well, it looks like we have a fundamentally different view of physics. I am convinced that there are some general laws of physics that will never be broken.
There cannot be a temperature below zero degree Kelvin, there cannot be a perpetual motion machine, two solid objects cannot occupy the same space, you cannot travel back in time and no particle or object with rest mass can reach or even exceed the speed of light.
You can theorize about loopholess in the theory of relativity all you want, but I don't think they exist and in the end it is just wishful thinking that there may be any, much less loopholes that make it feasible for an object the size of a star ship to exceed the speed of light and that without using forces that would destroy the starship and kill the travellers.
Now I may be wrong about that, but until I have been proven wrong, I think it is far more likely that the people who say they saw alien star ships misinterpret what they saw or misremember or lie or are delusional. After all, we know that people do those things all the time. So in my opinion, it is a far more likely explanation for what those people say then that we are completely wrong about the laws of physics.
Perpetual motion machines - planets? It's been theorised by Bob Lazar. Now you can poo poo Bob Lazar unfortunately his testimony keeps coming true. Element 115 is now achievable. His door entry hand measuring device can actually be bought on ebay from vintage sellers. He did work at Los Alamos. It seem clear we do posses craft although he never claimed that they were driven by aliens but when he examined internally one of the craft the panels and entrance size meant he had to crouch. Looks like we will be finding out because law are being drawn up to bypass secrecy clauses. He theorised when speaking to Dave Fravor that perhaps our perceptions were that the craft moved fast. Our perception is based on our cognitive frame rate. Can't remember the number off hand but in our case adrenaline increases the frame rate which slows things down when experiencing trauma. This is a fact I've experienced this myself in near death experiences 3 times. Everything slowed down and allowed me to make, in two of the circumstances life saving decisions. Anyway Bob suggested that they I presume mechanically create a faster frame rate around them in which they choose a location and travel there at less dangerous speeds for physical survival but our perception of the event is physically impossible for our technology because it appears so fast. Flies see us in slow motion and a tortoises frame rate is so low if we move fast we just appear as a blur. Was a cool documentary.
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« on: July 27, 2023, 16:59 »
From what I've heard of the congressional hearings so far they have been vastly underwhelming. It seems to be three "whistleblowers" who all believe that we have been visited by aliens, and at least one of them said they know 40 other guys who swear on their grandmothers' graves that they have seen alien craft and/or biologicals. And that is it - no proof of any kind, no documentation, no testimony from any of the people who supposedly have seen these things except second- or third-hand reports. And they can't say any more because it's classified. So what is the point? It all seems like a monumental waste of time to me.
I have no doubt that there are videos that can't be completely explained, many first-hand reports of pilots and others seeing weird phenomena, or other minor things like that. But actual alien spacecraft or bodies? So far no evidence. At all. If there are really that many alien encounters nowadays there is little possibility that the military or whoever else could cover it up - if someone found a spaceship or part of one or actual alien bodies it would be all over the internet before you could say "TikTok".
Congress should stop wasting their time. If they want to get to the truth, then put on some pressure to declassify what the whistleblowers are talking about and give the world a look. Show me some actual physical evidence and I will believe it, but "whistleblowers" saying they believe it and know a bunch of other guys who swear it's true without providing any actual evidence doesn't cut it. Lots of people believe things that aren't true but will swear up and down that they have seen it with their own eyes. I still remember the bigfoot show where people all over the US are sure they've seen sasquatch but are not deterred by the complete lack of any physical evidence. Somebody on Nextdoor not long ago tried to tell me how they've seen mountain lions in Indiana for decades - even though they have been extinct in the state for more than 100 years (other than the very occasional one that wanders in from North Dakota, which we did have once about a dozen years ago). That person grew up in the country and was sure that mountain lions are there. They really believed it. I'm sure they saw something - a bobcat maybe or a large domestic feline - but it wasn't a mountain lion. Just like the African lion that was recently reported in Germany that turned out most likely to be a wild boar. It's the same with the aliens - just because you've seen something you can't explain doesn't mean it's extraterrestrial (or a terrestrial myth). It would be very easy to confirm - make something available for independent analysis by the global scientific community. All of the technological progress that has occurred during my lifetime (which is getting to be a while now) was mostly the next obvious thing - there are no major jumps I can think of that would have resulted from an injection of alien technology. If the US military is benefitting from alien technology then they need to find some better aliens - we are certainly better than the Russians but only incrementally so, and not really at all when you consider the obscene amounts of money that have been spent. No more congressional showboating, let's see the evidence! If it doesn't exist then stop fooling around.
I get what you're saying. And it is all incorrect. You are missing the history of each of the pilots. The history of grusch and the procedures of Congress. You are missing large pieces of the puzzle but asking for answers. Unfortunately those answers require effort on your part to put the hearings into the jaw dropping context that they were. Now I have already explained many of these points in previous posts but unfortunately either you didn't read and watch them or you did and don't believe them. But you know this will happen now whether you believe it or not. At this point it is a train that is coming down the line at us and no matter what your stand point its going to keep coming. Nothing will stop it now. Nothing. This was historic and its becoming more and more obvious that is is entirely meticulously orchestrated. There will now be a flood of whistle blowers who are going to provide proof to congress regarding David Grushes claims which while you state are made up or hearsay whatever... they are anything but. They are all very true. They are fact no ambiguity. So you can either watch the pilots testimony or recollections online while you walk the dog or wash up or whatever or ... don't. It matters not. It's coming. This has never, ever, happened before. I've followed this area for decades and it has never ever gone down like this. But I get that for you, it's like.having to learn how to use the Internet for the first time. But if you have twitter follow Ross coulthart reporter/journalist Jeremy Corbell journalist James Fox film maker George Knapp Journalist Ryan Graves pilot witnessed fleet on radar East coast Chad Underwood Pilot filmed Tic Tac video Alex Dietrich Pilot - witnesses tic tac with Dave Fravor Dave Fravor Top Gun Instructor Of the dross that I've sifted through for decades these individuals recollections and research is second to none. Avoid Mick West you'll be wasting your time the guy is a grifter and a liar. Enjoy.
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« on: July 27, 2023, 03:20 »
One very odd thing happened with regard to the Senators that I can't explain. Other than being wrong which is possible obviously ... I'll paraphrase
When Senator Foxx spoke to Grusch she compared his testimony to Kirkpatricks and stated ....
This very contradiction and lack of transparency is what led to a Chinese spy balloons entering our air space. The lack of action by the Biden administration cause widespread fear and confusion and only after (some) days and only after it had travelled the entire continental United States were two jets deployed to shoot it down. This flip flopping ... (from memory) she goes on to say change is needed and with that she yields back her time.
I've watched the streamed versions on various platforms and they all go this way. I and a witness watching it with me don't remember it that way. We have a very clear memory of it and it went like this ... as above for the most part but ....
...and only after it had travelled the entire continental United States were two jets deployed to shoot it down and two other UAP. This innaction caused further panic and at a cost of (I think 70 million she said) Dollars to the American tax payers ... this flip flopping.
The witness remembers money being stated and remembers me ghasping when she said two other UAP and stating... oh sh&t she's gonna bring that up.
I can't find a version where she says this ... but I remember she did. Very curious.
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« on: July 26, 2023, 13:17 »
Garvia - do you believe that the US governmnent are in possession of UAPs
Grusch - Yes
Garcia - Where are they and who has them.
Grusch- I know the exact locations and I have provided he locations the Inspector General of Inteligance.
There has been talk for decades about these UAPs in the US, but no one has ever seen one. 
Incorrect. No member of the public has seen one in US possession. tens of millions have seen them. Prosaic or otherwise.
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« on: July 26, 2023, 12:36 »
With the current technology, it would take us more than 50.000 years to reach the nearest solar system, Proxima Centauri, which probably does not have a plant with life. Even with far more advanced technology the voyage would very likely take at least a numer of decades, if not centuries.
1. "The current technology" is the key word here. And that "current technology" is only a few generations ahead of the bicycle... In the grand scheme of things, it is probably incredibly primitive.
2. Einstein's physics superseded Newtonian physics. It is conceivable that for sufficiently advanced beings, Einsteinian physics is below kindergarten level, metaphorically speaking.
3. Even within Einsteinian physics, due to time dilation, time flows much more slowly for beings inside a fast-moving craft. Even if they can "only approach" the speed of light, not much time would pass inside the craft even if it has travelled for thousands of light years. From the perspective of a photon travelling at the speed of light, no time has elapsed even after the photon has travelled for billions of light years. For the photon, it happens instantly.
Also, we don't know anything about their lifespans. Maybe they just send drones, von Neumann's probes or whatever.
Maybe they have working Alcubierre drives. And Alcubierre drive is just one proposed loophole allowing to effectively reach the destination faster than light. Maybe there are other loopholes.
4. If they can operate in at least one more dimension than us (string theory proposes 11 dimensions), then they could instantly reach any point in our 4D spacetime. Our 4D spacetime would be like Flatland to them.
5. Watch some videos with Professor Donald Hoffman to understand why spacetime is not fundamental. It is conceivable that super highly-developed entities do not even travel THROUGH spacetime. This could potentially explain some of the "woo" things about the phenomenon.
The perception of 3 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal dimension is what evolution gave us. It is not absolute and it is not fundamental. It was the minimum required for our survival as a species. Hoffman has showed evidence that evolution hid the rest of reality from our perception.
They? What they? There's nothing to prove or show that anyone or anything is actually visiting. That's a leap of faith, based on a hypothesis, which has no supporting factual evidence. Sure anyone can form a hypothesis, then move on to prove it? In the case of alien visitors, we have people who jump to a conclusion and then believe it's truth, without scientific evidence.
You can't make something true by just saying it is, or personally accepting some creative hypothesis as a fact. You need to have evidence, that can be confirmed, peer review, repeatable events, data collection, and some serious skepticism from even the people who want these things to be true, to prove they are true. Not just a wish and a dream.
We have no evidence that UAP or UFOs are alien visitors.
This statement died on its arse. Should of held off after the hearing Peter. Senator Garcia: Do you believe that UFOs put our pilots at risk and are a risk to national security Commander Fravor - Yes Grave - Yes Grusch - Yes Garvia - do you believe that the US governmnent are in possession of UAPs Grusch - Yes Garcia - Where are they and who has them. Grusch- I know the exact locations and I have provided the locations to the Inspector General of Inteligance. Get somw clearances Pete or give up at this point you look rediculous.
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« on: July 26, 2023, 03:27 »
To watch the UAP hearings live follow this link to the live stream. It is designated to begin at 10am Eastern Standard Time. However EST isn't a straight conversion to your local time. Google changes it to Eastern Time which is a catch all for EDT or EST because of daylight saving. For instance 10am ET translates to Greenwhich Mean Time (GMT) 2pm. But the Utube link says its live at 3pm GMT 🤦 Here is the link. Set notifications and hope for the best. LIVE CONGRESSIONAL UAP HEARINGS LINK
https://www.youtube.com/live/KQ7Dw-739VY?feature=share
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« on: July 25, 2023, 10:12 »
What do the aliens look like? We have all kinds of reports and claims, people have seen them and believe they have been abducted. What do aliens look like in their descriptions. That's a pretty basic and simple question? Is there any group consensus or collective way to describe the alien appearance?
What do UFOs look like. I mean, I can describe an airplane, boat or a car, can someone describe what the aliens travel in? No I don't expect anyone to understand the propulsion systems, just some nice basic data to build from?
There are all kind of photos and claims. Darn near everyone now carries a camera/phone that can take photos or video. I would expect we'd have more and better images, than in the old days.
After the disclosure or the official first contact, you should be able to buy an encyclopedia of aliens with illustrations. If you survive the ontological shock.
For now, the field is so muddied with hoaxes and disinformation, that for the average person it is difficult to figure out what is true.
Listen to serious and credible people like Elizondo, Nolan, Coulthart or Valle. You will not hear stories about the Galactic Federation or alien races from them. But what you hear from them sounds very serious. Elizondo and Nolan probably cannot disclose everything they know and have seen. Look up that famous "somber" comment from Elizondo...
There are plenty of reports from "experiences", just look for them. There are some recurring "races" of aliens in their stories, but it is up to you to judge how credible a given experiencer is. I will not do that for you. I am not trying to convince anyone about anything, but I wish some people expanded their intellectual horizons a little. It is great to be an open-minded skeptic, but it is stupid to be a denialist.
Why haven't we had a disclosure or an official first contact yet? Well, just look at this thread... Denialists and religious fundamentalists on the whole planet would probably go berserk... But things have accelerated greatly in the recent months for some reason. I think we are approaching that moment.
This will be just another farce from the UFO cult followers. These events are nothing but more programming for the weak minds of the brainwashed.
Here's the basis hypothesis. They see a light in the sky that they can't identify, it must be space aliens. A extreme leap and conclusion without any basis.
Who does?
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« on: July 25, 2023, 03:43 »
Commander Chad Underwood was stationed on the Nimitz and worked for David Fravor. After David Fravor engaged the UFO which came to be known as the Tic Tac returned to the Nimitz Chad Underwood was prepping for his flight. Favid Fravor said to him ... there's something wierd going on out there. If you can gets some film of it. He did. This is the Tic Tac film that was leaked and then confirmed by the USAF. Here he explains his experience https://youtu.be/4opsdH4hY3sIt's worth watching Mick Wests take on this which appears credible and is full of very convincing analysis and is a point of hilarity to those involved who actually use and know and are qualified to operate that equipment unlike Mick West who's only experience begins and ends with Google.
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« on: July 25, 2023, 00:56 »
But then, according to the non-denialists, they just hang around here for decades (or some people believe even for centuries or millenia) without making formal contact and sometimes get seen by some people and sometimes they lose an aircraft for whatever reason and don't seem to be able to retrieve it before the US government seizes it, inspite of their advanced technology.
1. The "losses" may very well be intentional. For example, an intelligence test for "wild primates" on this planet. Humans conduct similar tests with mirrors placed in jungles and forests. Or to cause certain developments on Earth, kind of like the monolith in Space Odyssey 2001.
2. The craft may be some cheap drones that they don't care about.
I think you're straying there. If abductions are to be believed no such tests would be required. Roswell - big electric storm reported that night as well as visual sighting of a craft. Plus ... if you're old enough to remember it, they were testing some sort of powerful radar around that time. "Crashing all the time" is a childish clich trotted out by people who lack any form of big picture ability. How many are here or come here denotes a value for "all the time". If several thousand a year visit ... 1 per 10 years is irrelevant given how much of our crap breaks due to mechanical failure. Weather. Poor skill due to illness or lack of ability. If 10 per year visit, 1 per decade isn't "all the time" either. People keep saying it though. Stupid people.
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« on: July 24, 2023, 12:41 »
FOAF kind of hearsay that most often doesn't trace back to any real individual at all. What people believe and how many believe, doesn't make something real.
If Grusch had been told BS, it raises many questions. Grusch is not some YouTube dude with a UFO podcast, he was tasked with this investigation by the Department of Defense. It's no joke, that thing was serious.
Now, if some people with very high clearances had decided to tell him fairy tales as part of his investigation, the obvious question is: WHY?
W-T-F is going on there? Lying to someone in his position, while he is conducting an investigation, is really serious. And if they believed in what they told him, then it's another "W-T-F is going on there?"
Just to be clear on my personal position. I'll wait and see how this plays out, before I start to believe or deny what he's claiming. That's a reasonable position, to see how the facts, evidence, and claims match up, before going into how this is a stunning new development. We've been reading bait for years, most of it is just wishing and hypothetical. Being that I'm older, I've been reading the SOS claims and promises and secret developments and discoveries, for many more years. 
.... People who want to know the truth, should be skeptical, and should ask difficult questions, before they are convinced and believe something that's highly unusual and extraordinary. Not the other way around.
Finally a mature well thought out response. Mostly. You won't get away without being pulled up for the previous know it all dismissive claptrap of your previous posts but at least here ... we've found a middle ground. Thank you Peter.
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« on: July 23, 2023, 18:08 »
FOAF kind of hearsay that most often doesn't trace back to any real individual at all. What people believe and how many believe, doesn't make something real.
If Grusch had been told BS, it raises many questions. Grusch is not some YouTube dude with a UFO podcast, he was tasked with this investigation by the Department of Defense. It's no joke, that thing was serious.
Now, if some people with very high clearances had decided to tell him fairy tales as part of his investigation, the obvious question is: WHY?
W-T-F is going on there? Lying to someone in his position, while he is conducting an investigation, is really serious. And if they believed in what they told him, then it's another "W-T-F is going on there?"
Probably all a misunderstanding. For example, if Grush asks anybody whether they think there is evidence for non-human intelligence on earth, any sensible person would answer: "Yes, of course!", probably not realizing that Grush for some reason seems to think that dolphins and chimpanzees are human.
Jesus ... bring out ya dead ... ding ... bring out ya dead
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« on: July 23, 2023, 18:06 »
FOAF kind of hearsay that most often doesn't trace back to any real individual at all. What people believe and how many believe, doesn't make something real.
If Grusch had been told BS, it raises many questions. Grusch is not some YouTube dude with a UFO podcast, he was tasked with this investigation by the Department of Defense. It's no joke, that thing was serious.
Now, if some people with very high clearances had decided to tell him fairy tales as part of his investigation, the obvious question is: WHY?
W-T-F is going on there? Lying to someone in his position, while he is conducting an investigation, is really serious. And if they believed in what they told him, then it's another "W-T-F is going on there?"
Wasting your breath. He can't help himself. It's tragic. He doesn't believe or care or matter or contribute ... seriously just look at what he writes compared to what's going on in the real world. It's literally tragic at this point.
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