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« on: October 26, 2024, 15:24 »
Do you have to caption your own work?
My own work is already captioned and keyworded, when I go to submit I have to agree to all sorts of nonsense about AI (I don't submit ai) and then often a captcha and then there is an image and they ask me to caption it. Those are the ones I make stuff up for - I think one I said was a clandestine drug deal.
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« on: October 26, 2024, 13:19 »
36$ per hour up front is pretty good for microstock work these days
Sometimes Adobe makes me caption images before I can submit (as well as identify images of cats). I usually make something up like "a group of people lining up to protest Adobe forcing artists to caption images before they are allowed to submit artwork".
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« on: October 25, 2024, 14:49 »
Back to topic, I heard back from Bigstock, and it was a legitimate e-mail. I have requested my earnings. I used to wait until they hit $100, but that takes so long there now I guess I need to start doing it as soon as possible. Boy they really went downhill after 2018 or so.
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« on: October 08, 2024, 15:38 »
Just because someone thinks or says something doesn't make it true. Just because Trump says something or that is how he would act doesn't mean everyone else is that way.
In other news, the very warm Gulf of Mexico is super-charging Hurricane Milton to rip across the Florida Peninsula starting Wednesday. It will be another disaster of epic proportions made even worse by the aftermath of Helene and the fact that resources will be exhausted and spread thin.
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« on: October 07, 2024, 12:15 »
Is today a holiday in the US, it is exceptionally slow?
Not that I know of, Mon the 14th is. Last Monday and this Monday so far have been 0 sales on Adobe for me for some reason. 0 sales happen, especially on weekend days, but 0 sale weekdays are not that common for me. Oddly weekend sales seem to be increasing lately, but random work week days have very low to 0 sales now.
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« on: October 05, 2024, 17:19 »
I got 0.08 in dataset earnings on the third, so I think I'll treat myself if I can find anything that cheap.
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« on: October 02, 2024, 13:05 »
-255,3% sales number -189,7% earnings
Wow, you are terrible at math!
-100% would mean you had NO sales and NO earnings. You can't get lower than that.
 -100% is simply the percentage you earned less than another figure....such as 9375894646853!
9375894646853 -100% = 0
Maybe you should spend mor time to investigate the "math system" instead of your imageined " adobe sales system" .
You really don't know when it's time to end it,right?
I understand that you mean 100% as the total value.
I,on the other hand,say that in September 2023 I earned 189% more,so I write -189% this September 2024.
Is it clearer now?Am I somehow more to your liking this way?
about my "imaginary sales system"
perhaps you can explain to me why in 9 months this year I had the same and identical number of sales for 3 months and another 2 months with a difference of 1 and two sales,with a max difference of 8 sales in 9 months.
in your opinion it is a pure coincidence that every month,since the beginning of this year,I have practically the same number of sales every month!
but do you realize how likely something like this is to happen by chance,in a library of over half a billion contents,among hundreds of thousands of contributors?
In your opinion,how is it possible that in such a context there can be such evident stability?
I don't really understand how you come up with these percentages. Say in 2023 you earned 100$, then I would say -189% would be you lost $89 and +50% would mean you made $150. It sounds like you are saying -189% means you earned 52.91. I would say that was -47% or that I earned 53% of 2023 income. As far as variability goes, my earnings are nowhere near as consistent as yours. If there are lots of contributors chances are some are going to have very steady incomes and some will be very variable though. The larger the time period you look at, the smaller the variability should be. Humans can find all sorts of patterns in actual random events, and for various reasons, sales really aren't random.
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« on: September 30, 2024, 12:27 »
The longer I think about it, the more critically I view it. At first, I also thought this was a great feature, and for the downloaders, it definitely is. But I fear that downloaders will now search less, and wont go as far back in the lists. So far, they have been looking for images that more or less perfectly match what they want. Now, it will be enough if they are somewhat suitable, and then the images will be adjusted accordingly. Therefore, I fear that only the top creators, who rank high in search queries, will benefit from this. The further back you are, the more difficult it will become. Its already like that now, of course, but instead of clicking through to page 5 to find something, the downloaders will settle for pages 1-2, and that will be good enough. Just my 2 cents, but i am new into this, maybe I am wrong.
That is an interesting take on this, and quite possibly correct (assuming the Ai modification is quick and easy and good compared to searching more for an image that fits the requirements better). I guess that means that we will be even more at the mercy of the search algorithm and getting onto the top of page one will be even more critical for sales, unfortunately a positive feedback system which is good if you "win", but otherwise not so much. Also, I wonder what will make an image good for AI modification and how important that will become in the future.
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« on: September 29, 2024, 15:42 »
In general, I think the less regular sellers in your portfolio, the more your numbers are going to bounce around. If you sell 10 one week and 20 the next week that is only a difference of 10 sales, but it is also double (or half) and will make for huge swings in your placement. If you make 100 sales one week, you probably aren't making 200 sales the next week. Going from 100 to 110 is the same 10 sale difference, but will make a lot less difference in your placement.
Also there are probably a whole lot more contributors at the long tail low sales end of the spectrum, so a difference of a few sales will bump you ahead of or behind thousands of contributors. At the upper end of the sales spectrum, you probably need a lot more sales to move up a few spots.
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« on: September 25, 2024, 17:03 »
What will the status of these new images be? For example could someone take an existing image and then AI it and submit it to their own portfolio or claim copyright to the new image?
I hope these new custom licenses are not for less than the existing licenses.
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« on: September 22, 2024, 22:37 »
those are just examples and should not be taken literally,I think everyone can agree on the fact that the higher you are in the ranking,the less changes you undergo in the weekly ranking.
do you want to talk about Adobe's sales system?
I respect your opinion and I also partly agree,in particular I agree that quality and quantity are fundamental to having a greater number of sales.
but I also think that logically there is and must be a system that regulates the distribution of sales,it seems simply logical to me.
Have you ever tried to track the number of weekly sales?
me yes,I've been doing it for years,I write in a book,practically everything,80s style!
in my case,throughout this year,the number of weekly sales has fluctuated between 2 very specific numbers and not very far from each other.
In your opinion,how is it possible that throughout this year I have made the same number of sales for 9 months every week, and how is it possible that hundreds of thousands of contributors sell something every day or almost every day?
do you realize that there are over half a billion content in the Adobe library and that we contributors are hundreds of thousands?
How . do you think we can sell everyone,some more or less certain,but everyone!
even just looking at it from this perspective makes it logical to think that sales are administered by a system.
I recommend you keep track of your weekly sales and write them down on a page,then after at least a year,look at these numbers on this page,and I think you'll be able to notice patterns too.
then for goodness' sake,maybe you're right and I'm wrong,but the evidence of a sales system seems everywhere to me.
and luckily there is,because it seems to me that Adobe's sales system works very well! 
No need to write them down, you can just get adobe to plot them out. Mine certainly are not very close to 2 different values.
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« on: September 17, 2024, 23:58 »
I opted out when that was available after they used all our assets to train at first, and then they opted me back in and I opted out again, but I just got a tiny payment and I can't seem to find the opt out anymore. Consider me unimpressed with Adobe.
I am pretty sure Adobe was the one agency that never offered any opt-out option in the first place?
That might be correct, there wasn't an opt-out of the initial training. I thought there was an opt-out after that, but I might be thinking of one of the many other sites that are using our work to train our replacement. In any case there is no-opt out now.
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« on: September 17, 2024, 11:24 »
I opted out when that was available after they used all our assets to train at first, and then they opted me back in and I opted out again, but I just got a tiny payment and I can't seem to find the opt out anymore. Consider me unimpressed with Adobe.
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« on: September 04, 2024, 16:38 »
if a customer searches for a cockroach,the search will not return much content,so if you have a cockroach it is very likely that you will sell it.
only 65,000+ images and almost 3900 videos, so hardly an empty category (although I suspect getting on the first page of search there would bring decent sales) I would consider an empty category something that there is only one page of search results - so you can't help but show up on page one. in any case - getting a $ increase larger than the increase in assets for sale means you are doing something right. In fact I would be pleased to get an increase = to the increase in assets. Personally, I don't believe it is just having been on adobe longer and I think that is a very small factor in the search algo if at all.
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« on: August 27, 2024, 19:31 »
At least Getty got 2.25 or something. 15% is definitely a scam, but not as bad as nothing I guess.
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« on: August 25, 2024, 19:44 »
Envato was acquired by Shutterstock a couple of months ago, so you should probably take it out of that list.
I don't see why that would make a difference. Bigstock is firmly in the list despite or because of being owned (and possibly ruined) by SS.
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« on: July 15, 2024, 11:36 »
ok,this explains everything!
those files have now sold so many times in the golden years of 2012 that they will always be ahead.
the time since you are a contributor also counts on Adobe,in fact I believe that even if I stop uploading now and then come back in 5 years and start uploading again,I will earn much more than now,simply because in the meantime 5 years have passed.
Or one tweak of the algorithm and sales will practically stop. I uploaded consistently but slowly for 5 years at a number of agencies. Sales mostly went down during that time and $ went down faster. Mike, those are awesome numbers for 700 files, even more impressive if you haven't uploaded much in years. Your hard work is still paying off, too bad SS poisoned the well.
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« on: July 11, 2024, 12:41 »
This is the sort of thing that theoretically Getty should deal with for exclusive artists - put the fear of poverty into Shutterstock so that they actually make at least a half-hearted attempt to identify fraudulent uploads. I'm pretty sure Getty hasn't signed the TOS.
It wouldn't be all that hard for SS to run the first 100 uploads through their similar filter and flag the ones that get a match for a little scrutiny. It would be even nicer if they saved the sales from these and gave the $ to the actual owner of the image. I'm guessing when they do close a fraudulent account they pocket the $ and as long as they don't do any investigation they can pretend nothing is wrong and are probably covered by the DMCA.
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« on: July 09, 2024, 13:03 »
@blvdone
Thanks for your chart - as you can see this crash is not present for everyone.
I've seen a few charts from different people over the last few months and about 35% have the same trend as me.
A few are clearly going up and about 50% have a "normal" straight trend.
This has nothing to do with a conspiracy, but the effect is measurable and occurs in a good third of the measurement results so far
I'm probably in that 50% you say.
my trend is slightly upwards,but really slightly,in fact the 25% higher number of sales in June 2024 compared to June 2023 proves it,it's not much if you consider that an extra year has passed,but I guess it could be worse!
lately,Mondays are dead and strangely I sell more on weekends even more than Wednesday and Thursday,most weeks it's like this for me now.
I hope for a clearer improvement,I will evaluate in September,October and November.
for the moment I'm where I need to be,I'm halfway to last year's number of sales,considering a slight percentage increase over each month,I should end the year with more sales than last year.
I too have noticed some weird no or very low sales days mid week - that used to be very rare, now often one of the weekend days is better than one or 2 of the weekdays. Dreamstime used to have some sort of system where they rotated the visibility of portfolios somehow - so a few days of sales followed by a few days of no sales. It almost seems like Adobe is doing something like that.
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« on: June 12, 2024, 09:39 »
So far I have only 1 download this week. I often have a few 0 days every month, but this is worse than the last week of December or pretty much ever - although the week of Mar 25th was pretty bad too, maybe they were testing this version of the algo that week. >3300 photos, slow but steady uploads lately.
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« on: June 06, 2024, 17:24 »
Maybe the AI training well that is Adobe Stock is not running fast enough for their AI training needs. Using every Adobe user's content to train firefly would fall under the umbrella of "improving the Services and Software".
One of the reasons I am not a big fan of the subscription software model where terms can be updated at any time with no recourse but to leave.
Or maybe it is some completely innocent thing that is incredibly poorly worded and announced.
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« on: June 04, 2024, 18:36 »
Doing better than last week which was pretty horrible, I have the same number of DL as all of last week already. If they changed something I hope they keep it.
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« on: May 28, 2024, 16:51 »
I think I had my best success with them on Canva, but then their submission process got all weird and I think they were almost all rejected after that. It almost always takes longer than I think it will to clean them up to my standards so it is probably not worth the time for me. I am sure there is a better way to do it.
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« on: May 20, 2024, 11:40 »
Looking at my sales and earnings I can in no way predict exactly what I will make any given day, week, or month. I could guess the average of the previous year, or what I made last year that month or what the magic 8 ball told me, but I would have no confidence in it being very accurate. I haven't run the statistics, but over the last few years per monthly income has varied by a factor of 6 or so and it isn't always up and the good months and bad months are not always the same (although the free image election bump is noticeable in the graph the years I had a bunch of images selected).
Do you have a formula you follow - eg last years sales this month times number of new images times x = exact sales this month? Also how exact is your prediction - to the download and cent, or within 5 % or 10% or 50% - I think I could predict the latter most months just by picking the average.
Previously people have alleged $ amounts set by SS and if they had a good week at the start of the month they would have lousy sales the rest of the month to hit their quota and if they had poor sales all month they would have some good days at the end of the month to bring things up.
I agree that if Adobe removed 3/4 of their collection but not my stuff I would do better, especially if they removed the content that was competing with my content.
What really matters is the complex algorithms around the search plus what content you have and how good the metadata is and what content buyers are looking for. We can only control our content and the metadata. For common content the search placement is nearly everything.
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« on: May 18, 2024, 14:53 »
Obviously I don't know how the Adobe algorithm works, but I sincerely doubt there is a particularly large effect (or any) on how long you have been a contributor. I also don't think that there is some sort of set limit to how much you will sell - although that has been alleged for various agencies by a number of people over the years.
Produce content that is needed without a lot of competition and you will do well. Until it is copied or they switch the algorithm to push other content (newer, bigger images, AI, local, whatever) and then you won't do as well. Also as the price per image drops - either through price cuts or various custom deals or subs plans you will make less per sale. That is the true effect of time on microstock, not some magical constant certainty over time.
Yes, you can still make decent money with good smart work, but you could probably make more with that same good smart work in some other fashion.
This week my sales, $, and position are all below what they have been recently although I did have a few sales of recently uploaded images, which is nice.
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