Lol, I know what I am talking about - The explanation I provided is to understand simply how it works in laymans term. The "AI" does not work like your brain - but rather - is a set of algorithms designed to simulate aspects of your brain.

I watched a few minutes of the video you provided just to see if there was something I wasn't aware of, then skipped around a bit - and basically he is sharing his interpretation (seems to be a basic understanding) of how he thinks it works, not being in the 'ai' field himself. He's also mistaken about a few things he states.

The chatGPT "ai", midjourney "ai's", etc, etc - are all just very sophisticated pattern re-arrangement algorithms. It is essentially a SIMULATION. It looks very "real" but it is a SIMULATION. It STEALS (aka "training").

It is kind of like someone having a codebook for Chinese. If they could really quickly look up words (say 1000's of words a second), look up in the dictionary - then write down the translation - then give a chinese person the translated output, then translate back to english super fast using this same codebook - you could give the "appearance" of being a fluent chinese speaker. But just because you look up the code book super fast back & forth, doesn't mean you actually "are" a chinese speaker, nor do you actually understand what the conversation is.

The "ai" is NOT "intelligent", it is artificial - but a set of algorithms based on theft. It is a SIMULATION.

By "using" it - "for free" - you are the PRODUCT training it "for free".

Yes, "they" have done a good job of SIMULATING aspects of learning. But the way the "ai" does it is through theft/stealing, and is a SIMULATION.

One of the best misinterpretation! It works just like your brain, which has seen many pattern and learnt how to call them. If you are really interested in AI check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCIa6V4uF84

Quote from: SuperPhoto on November 15, 2023, 08:00

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 15, 2023, 02:45

Quote from: korner83 on November 13, 2023, 10:03

Hello guys,

I have created a GPT to generate meta data for our stock images:
https://chat.openai.com/g/g-RlTKUHzlr-image-metadata-guru

You can upload your image and it will give you Title, Keywords in the order of importance, description, category and it will also notify you if there is any visible trademark or logo related issue with the image. It is not supporting editorial content.

You will need a subscription to use it. Let me know what you think about it.

On what basis are keywords created? Where does GPT find them?

ChatGPT (as well as other so-called "ai") basically "stole" other people's works, to make inferences/associations with certain things...

Going back to 2000 with something called WordNet (from Princeton) to now, easiest way of explaining it, is:
a) the "ai" has created computer models of certain "concepts" (more specifically, certain patterns)
b) it has assigned 'weights'/associations with certain patterns
c) when you input an image/a sentence/etc - it searches for patterns that have greater weights (associations)

So chatGPT "found" the keywords from the 15+ years of "keyword tagging" that regular people have done, ripped it off - and then associates it with certain image patterns you input.

Any thoughts on this? 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/shutterstock-unveils-trust-best-class-172000781.html

"Shutterstock, Inc. (NYSE: SSTK), a leading global creative platform connecting brands and businesses to quality content, today announced TRUST, an official guiding framework that embodies Shutterstock's long-standing values and commitment to using AI responsibly in its products and workflows. TRUST, an acronym for Training, Royalties, Uplift, Safeguards and Transparency, reflects the core commitments that Shutterstock has actively upheld over the last two decades. In an unregulated and rapidly evolving industry, this framework can also serve as an action-driven checklist for companies experimenting with AI technologies and reiterates Shutterstock's lifelong, contributor-centric operating principles."

https://www.shutterstock.com/business/TRUST

"Royalties that compensate artists fairly
We support artists with fair compensation. We also empower their creativity through AI tools designed to support�not replace�their unique talents."

Sure. Tell a lie loud enough and often enough and many people will tend to believe it.

Actions speak louder than words. The executives at shutterstock have proven them to be very dishonest, untrustworthy individuals doing and saying what ever they can to make a fast buck, and line their own pockets while saying the above with a straight face.

Track record:
a) Shutterstock STEALS "data" first, THEN tells contributors they can "opt-out" assigning some random amount of $$.
b) They are creating a "tool" to go head to head with contributors.
c) They randomly reject actual good photos and videos.

Not to mention Jon Origner (sp?) cashing out bigtime at the expense of contributors.

The expression "fool me once... shame on you... fool me twice..."

Wouldn't really trust anything they said.

How does one create their own 'chatgpt' script? Thanks!

People still use typewriters. Phonographs are antique items that can go for thousands of dollars. People pay tens of thousands of dollars for vintage mint 1960's movie posters. People make careers of trying to find relics from thousands of years ago, and t.v. shows are made about their exploits.

Polaroid cameras are back in style, filmmakers prefer film because it 'feels' better and they 'feel' it produces better movie quality pictures.

You'll still be able to make money from regular photography.

It's a combination of how you market yourself, what you market, etc.

You need to remember - the "AI" (which is not actually true "artificial intelligence" although that term has been greatly misused the last year, deliberately) - "AI" right now is very sophisticated theft and pattern re-arrangement. If it didn't have anything to "steal" from - it wouldn't actually be able to "create" anything - and it does not actually "create". YOU do.

Probably the "ai/theft" will indeed be much better, have figured out how to get rid of most watermarks effectively. But it is still stealing, and it is still theft.

YOU are a creator. YOU can still create.

Get creative, and create.

I believe it is run by an east indian guy wanting to make LOTS of money. Don't recall his name, but believe he has several sites like that.

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Quote from: SuperPhoto on November 08, 2023, 09:11

A couple BIG critisisms:

(a) No way to sign up with just an e-mail. Looks like the dev took the super lazy way and "authenticates" with google/facebook/github. If someone doesn't have any of those accounts - no way to sign up for the service, not to mention - many people (including myself) just don't feel comfortable USING a "google/facebook" account to "create" an account. (privacy is one of those reasons among others). Big no-no. So no way of signing up with just an e-mail.

(b) He doesn't specify how much credit packages cost.

(c) His online chat bot isn't actually connected to anyone - so asusming he is sleeping right now - so if you try to message, just says "failed to send"...

So... it "might" be good, but obviously still needs a lot of work right now.

I got in touch with the developer at Phototag.Ai with these concerns and he's trying to be accepted at the MSG forum and it's still pending. In the meantime he has replied the following:

"Hello! I�m Aaron, one of the developers responsible for PhotoTag.ai. First of all, thank you for the constructive feedback! We�re constantly listening to our members and implementing improvements based on their feedback. Here are some specific responses to your concerns:

(a) I promise the decision to only include OAuth login options was not out of laziness, we felt that improvements to the user experience outweighed any other drawbacks. Also, we only use these platforms to retrieve your email address and authenticate your request. That being said, we�ve received a few complaints about the lack of email sign up (so you�re not alone on that), and we�re actively working on implementing that feature! I expect it�ll be live before next week.

(b) Good point that the one-time photo bundle prices are not on the landing page - we�ll have to update that. The prices are $19.99 for 1,000 photos and $149.99 for 10,000 photos.

(c) I�m sorry your message didn�t go through on our chat. I�ll be reaching out to our provider to see why that happened. Please bear with me if I take some time to respond because I�m actually the only person actively monitoring those messages! But I promise I always answer any messages that come through."

Thanks for getting in touch with him.

(a) Yes - while it seems he is aware, and working on e-mail - which is good - further to that, many people don't trust OAuth/equivalent types of authentication, misuse of data by google/facebook/etc (not too sure about github), so just don't trust that in general. Corporations don't do that out of the "goodness of their heart" - generally speaking there is always some kind of data mining involved, and you don't know how they've implemented things on their end. (They can 'say' one thing, but then do another - and unless you reverse engineer their scripts/etc - you really don't know). So yes, as a generally rule - don't like those kind "easy authentication" methods... (just like facial rec is actually very bad for a number of reasons, has nothing to do with 'safety' & 'security', etc).

(b) Thanks for feedback re: photos

(c) Yes, please let me know when your chat is working, thanks.

(d) Also - he should have an e-mail contact on his contact page, in case things like the online chat don't work. If you weren't in touch with him - there would be no way he could have gotten this feedback...

Thanks!

Quote from: SuperPhoto on November 05, 2023, 10:17

Wow, that looked cool. What was your original input? Did you input an image, did you do an actual walk around video?

A walkaround video. Seems easier than taking a bunch of photos? This was just with my phone.

Ah, lol - okay. I thought somehow the computer had 'stiched' several images into that, but if you did a walkaround, makes more sense...

While 120 a month is a lot, I am sure you will make your money back. I also think the privacy option is very important.

Still haven't tried midjourney, one day I will.

Happy to see you are enjoying ai.

The sales will come and bring a nice balance to your video sales.

Plus...everything you learn now you will be able to use when ai video comes.

"AI" (sophisiticated theft/pattern re-arrangement) video already exists (not necessarily that great, but does exist).

Creating prompts really doesn't require all that much skill. It's actually pretty simple.

It's just (in some ways) very time consuming - because "everyone" is doing it - so there are a flood of images/content/etc. And for now- the post processing (if one chooses not to skip that - many do) - is also time consuming.

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 05, 2023, 06:23

Quote from: blvdone on November 04, 2023, 08:55

I pay $120/month on Midjourney

Are your images selling for at least $120 a month?

Not yet.  I just started Using Midjourney like 2 months ago.  Due to the slow review process on Adobe Stock, I have like 2,400 AI images in review right now and only like 300 online.  I will stop $120/month subscription after a few months of mass producing AI photos till I ran out of my ideas.  But hopefully, I'll at least make my money back for Midjourney subscription fee and my labor.

Okay, makes sense.

Out of curiosity, how have you done (sales wise) from the 300 online you have so far? There are some 20,000,000+ "ai" images currently, I would estimate maybe $15-$20?

Wow, that looked cool. What was your original input? Did you input an image, did you do an actual walk around video?

I'm not sure how well people are doing with "AI" images overall, but to me it seems:

(a) Some people may have 1-2 images that "take off" (i.e., maybe make them $100-$200 over the course of several months, if they are really lucky, maybe $200-$300). The rest never really get seen. If you live in a country where $3-$5 USD/hour is a "good wage", then you are ecstatic. (I.e., like an american say getting $700-$800 for an image).

(b) The "ai" stuff is being flooded from people in countries where that is the case. To properly post produce, edit, crop, find good keywords, properly title, etc is a very time consuming process - but I suppose that is why is a number of people just don't do that. (So you see 3 arms, strange titles, or simply the actual prompts, etc). And I've seen a lot of people skipping that process.

(c) I suspect it is a little bit like gambling on slots. If/when you "hit big" (i.e., generate $100 in cumalative sales for a single "ai" image) - then you think EVERY image is going to be like that, and you start going a little nuts (not realizing not every image is going to be like that).

One question - if you are spending $120/month on image generation, are you at the very least seeing that as a return? More specifically - a significant return?

My guess is the majority (i.e., 80%+) are just making say $100-$200/month from the "ai" images, while of course a very small majority making more than that...

While I don't have any hard numbers (btw frank how do you see those stats in pond?) - my 'feeling' based on what I've seen is yes, HD is very much in demand.
4K has been pushed the last few years - but I don't believe many consumers really "use" that...