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Doesn't matter, there are many portfolios smoothly submitting AI content. There is no way for agencies to track whether the content is AI or not. And even AI cannot tell difference between digitally created and digitally generated images.

That's a fact, but at least there are some that are not allowing the flood.


No allowing on their terms sheet, but people are clever and are bypassing the same rule.
But I agree, the companies wants to restrict the same.

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Re: Artificial Intelligence killing the whole industry = Maybe Not Yet?

SSTK:
Why was my content rejected as Non-Licensable Content?

Content cannot be licensed due to legal restrictions

If your content was rejected as Non-Licensable Content, it is because we cannot license this content in our collection due to legal compliance restrictions. This type of restricted content cannot be published for either commercial or editorial use therefore it is considered non-licensable.
 
Restrictions could include, but are not limited to, the following subjects:
...
    Appears to have been created with AI-generative technology

Why cant I claim copyright to AI-generated content if I am the one who produced the query that generated the synthetic content?
 
Because AI content generation models leverage the IP of many artists and their content, AI-generated content ownership cannot be assigned to an individual. Per our Contributor Terms of Service (Sections 13d and 13f), contributors must have proven IP ownership of all content that is submitted. As such, AI-generated content should not be submitted to Shutterstock.


Getty / iStock:

Getty Images does not accept files created using AI generative models. There are open questions with respect to the copyright of outputs from these models and there are unaddressed rights issues with respect to the underlying imagery and metadata used to train these models. Please see https://contributors.gettyimages.com/article/9685 for more information.

AI Generated Content
Wednesday September 21, 2022
Effectively immediately, Getty Images will cease to accept all submissions created using AI generative models (e.g., Stable Diffusion, Dall-E 2, MidJourney, etc.) and prior submissions utilizing such models will be removed.



Doesn't matter, there are many portfolios smoothly submitting AI content. There is no way for agencies to track whether the content is AI or not. And even AI cannot tell difference between digitally created and digitally generated images.

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So it all started now.

https://pixelvibe.com/

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Shutterstock.com / Re: What a cool SS, how well he sells
« on: November 22, 2022, 01:38 »
On a roll...

Why not me  :(
But congrats to you.  :)

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AI images are just ugly

use a good prompt and the ugly will become beautiful.

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Published today in a pro-Dalle-E online news article
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Bad news for stock photo businesses
If youre a stock photo business, DALL-E 2 might be your worst enemy. Stock photos already have a reputation as cheesy and inauthentic, but have been a necessary evil for content creators. That changes the moment DALL-E 2 becomes available for commercial use.

What justification would there be to pay for a stock photo license in a world where DALL-E 2 can create any image you want?

DALL-E is available now for commercial use. All those illustrations and creations, are allowed to be licensed. What's going to be interesting in the future is, right for images that use portions of people or protected property, designs or specifics. Open AI Users get full usage rights to commercialise the images they create with DALL-E, including the right to reprint, sell and merchandise,

What is Fair use? I hope that sometime in the near future the courts will decide.

There are real concerns with respect to the copyright of outputs from these models and unaddressed rights issues with respect to the imagery, the image metadata and those individuals contained within the imagery, Getty Images CEO Craig Peters   https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/21/23364696/getty-images-ai-ban-generated-artwork-illustration-copyright#:~:text=The%20creators%20of%20AI%20image%20generators%20say%20the,sites%2C%20and%20stock%20photo%20sites%20like%20Getty%20Images.

Read this article which is looking at both sides. I see people on both sides of this extremely confident in their positions, but the reality is nobody knows,   https://www.theverge.com/23444685/generative-ai-copyright-infringement-legal-fair-use-training-data

What's interesting is that, lets say I create an image, using AI from one of the online services. If I don't have enough creative input and, the image is not created by a human's work, then it's not going to be protected. In the article they use Cat by Van Gogh as an example of what couldn't be protected. In the US, there is no copyright protection for works generated solely by a machine. However, it seems that copyright may be possible in cases where the creator can prove there was substantial human input.

What is substantial human input? What is a derivative, of substantial new design to change the image "enough" to make it a new work. Very subjective questions.

This is why I posted the Warhol case which is in progress now, that's examining what is fair use. They are both related.

None of this has to do with what's right or fair for artists, creatives or our interests, it's all about the legal side and could someone get sued for using something that AI created by scraping the web or using copyrighted images to train the AI?

With many players coming into AI, the companies are now shifting their licenses to commercial.
This is dangerous and I don't see good future of image industry.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe profits more than double in latest quarter
« on: November 15, 2022, 04:30 »
I am around 200th for the week with around 1000dls (don't want to be more specific or discuss portfolio size)

May I know, how do you see the rank?

Dashboard - Timeframe dropdown - This week (or lifetime).

Wow, it always showed this month by default which displays no rank.
Thanks for the information.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe profits more than double in latest quarter
« on: November 14, 2022, 20:32 »
I am around 200th for the week with around 1000dls (don't want to be more specific or discuss portfolio size)

May I know, how do you see the rank?

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AI is also bad news for agencies, eventually stock image users will be able to download cheap versions of AI software and get the images they want without paying subscriptions. In the medium term, AI will not only kill the contributors but also the agencies
It will not kill and will not even create competition. I dealt with one program that converts HD to 4k and removes any noise from the video, but it needs a very powerful PC to work, and even on a powerful PC it takes a lot of time. As a result, the cost of a PC and electricity will block the profit.

One can easily rent a cloud GPU at very cheap price.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: What a cool SS, how well he sells
« on: November 10, 2022, 00:53 »
Whoah.... I mean WHOAH!!!

What??? ... WOW this is huge...

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Alamy.com / Re: Alamy search giving zero result
« on: November 08, 2022, 22:37 »
Hi, Is Alamy down? I am doing general search on any topics and getting zero results.
I had the same last week, and it seemed my defaults had been set, and not by me, to only show the 'Vital', 'Uncut' and 'Ultimate' collections and not any of the rest. I had to change my defaults to see everything.
Alternatively:
https://discussion.alamy.com/topic/16149-another-crazy-reason-to-use-editorial-use-only

works fine now.

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Alamy.com / Alamy search giving zero result
« on: November 08, 2022, 05:36 »
Hi, Is Alamy down? I am doing general search on any topics and getting zero results.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe Stock Free Collection: Video Nominations
« on: November 07, 2022, 06:04 »
Thanks Mat.
I went to my profile settings and changed the option.
However I did not receive any email from you regarding the nomination, neither now nor in June for photo nomination.
I usually receive an email per day from Adobe, regarding the daily earnings. I also checked in the spam folder but I don't have any email from you.
It's a shame because I definitely would have joined the proposal.

The train is lost dear, you can't do anything now.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe Stock Free Collection: Video Nominations
« on: October 28, 2022, 21:59 »
Do you have more than $100,000 per month?
Why are you wasting your time on this forum then.

That's the most dumb reply. If someone makes six fig earning, one should appreciate his guts to come out and tell the positive side when everyone talks about the negative.
And he is not wasting his time on this forum, Forum is for everyone.

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General - Top Sites / Re: Dall e 2 will make us all redundant?
« on: October 25, 2022, 23:44 »
Somehow I feel AI could be a final nail in the microstock coffin.

I predicted the same few months back.
https://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/artificial-intelligence-killing-the-whole-industry/

There were people defending the same and I always said that AI training has no expiry and there is no roll-back.
This industry do not have a good future. Mark my words.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Working together to lead the way with AI
« on: October 25, 2022, 10:10 »
So now the buyers will start generating the images more instead of buying and since there is revenue share so start expecting more incoming pennies with decreasing the real downloads.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: September sales statement in
« on: October 22, 2022, 01:24 »
Not a good month for me.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: No sales on Shutterstock lately
« on: October 20, 2022, 01:25 »
Yes pickup very well from 13th.. Happy to see sales coming back.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Any Vecteezy contributor here?
« on: October 15, 2022, 23:59 »
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What 14000 download makes you earn $140 ? ? ? ?

Obviously (almost) free ones

Get a pair of cloths and 14000 downloads gone.  ;D

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Any Vecteezy contributor here?
« on: October 15, 2022, 04:54 »
Bad luck  ::)

https://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/vecteezy-anyone-experience-with-them/msg575598/#msg575598

oooooh how sorry i am for not seeing this year ago. I know a contributor there with 14000 downloads for 140$. that is 0.01 per pic. Now i want out and i bet they will have my port for eternity. I dont know how malpractice like this is even possible. Even worse, i have a feeling they made this platform as a kind of fraud. Posts are deleted, delete button does not exist (once u submit, pics are locked there), ports are kept (officially) for a year AND they promise 'reasonable effort" to take them away from partners site - read never. Therefor new contributors are accepted and welcomed, to replace those coming out.  All that for up to few cents per pic, no exceptions.

What 14000 download makes you earn $140 ? ? ? ?

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It's early in the day and I'm already at around 4x to 5x my normal downloads and earnings for a weekday.

Anyone else seeing a really high volume today?

Not here but congratulations to you.  8)

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Here comes Google's text to 3d generation.



https://dreamfusion3d.github.io/

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I just found this on one forum. This AI has totally ripped of microstock content.





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I just found that they have reduced the contributor share a lot from what they use to pay.
With their new earning model, people have went down from lowest to ultra lowest and then they also need a certificate of residency, which reduces the total even more.

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And the saddest thing to me is that they did not even bother to pay for the images used to train the AI, as they were clearly watermarked.
Yes, they give copyright to the"describers" of the AI generated images, but they used images to train it where they did not own copyright themselves. They can probably get away with this legally, but moraly I find all of this highly repulsive. They basically used our own images without paying for them to create something that one day in the future will most likely destroy our line of work.

I agree to it. I have access to some of the AI tools and sometimes when I specifically generate any works I can see watermarks of Getty, Alamy, Shutterstock, Dreamstime etc., Though the watermark is so glitched that it cannot be tracked, but since I work in this industry, I can clearly identify those.

So the point is, they created an AI robot which went through almost all microstock website, scraped the whole library of copyrighted IP images to train their AI system. And now they come-up saying that they have built something unique. Doesn't it comes in plagiarism?

But again, this has grown so badly that you cannot take any action as their legal team will easily bypass the trial.

I am also interested to know that with whose permission did they scrapped whole microstock websites. Do those websites even knew about it?

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