Author Topic: How do people manage to avoid the rejection for Identical Submissions? (Read 24607 times)

Unamas · « **on:** November 17, 2021, 14:06 »

Take a look https://www.shutterstock.com/g/knelson20?searchterm=drain&sort=newest First 20 images are identical for me.

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #1 on:** November 17, 2021, 14:18 »

Ok, it seems that someone has a fetish for manhole covers in autumn

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The only explanation I have is that the pictures were submitted one after the other.
In my experience, that works for such images as well.

thijsdegraaf · « **Reply #2 on:** November 17, 2021, 14:18 »

Quote from: Unamas on November 17, 2021, 14:06

Take a look https://www.shutterstock.com/g/knelson20?searchterm=drain&sort=newest First 20 images are identical for me.

Indeed. We also had a topic on the shutterstock forum, which contained many examples. They were, I thought, old photos when Shutterstock was much less strict.

For Real · « **Reply #3 on:** November 17, 2021, 14:19 »

agree. I try not to show other's portfolio's-- only my own. Don't take too many images of just one scenario is my personal rule. I might do an overhead view with copy space and a macro of a single object from that overhead.

thijsdegraaf · « **Reply #4 on:** November 17, 2021, 14:29 »

Quote from: For Real on November 17, 2021, 14:19

agree. I try not to show other's portfolio's-- only my own. Don't take too many images of just one scenario is my personal rule. I might do an overhead view with copy space and a macro of a single object from that overhead.

Here is well earned on a pizza. Many are marked as high.

https://www.shutterstock.com/nl/g/bestv?searchterm=pizza&sort=popular

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #5 on:** November 17, 2021, 16:16 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on November 17, 2021, 14:18

Ok, it seems that someone has a fetish for manhole covers in autumn .

The only explanation I have is that the pictures were submitted one after the other.
In my experience, that works for such images as well.

Could be, and AI is pretty stupid and looks for a defined pattern than issues the rejection. Maybe the leaves are random enough to confuse it? Considering how we get rejections for water and grass and sand, for focus, the AI is pretty dumb.

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #6 on:** November 17, 2021, 16:30 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 17, 2021, 16:16

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on November 17, 2021, 14:18
Ok, it seems that someone has a fetish for manhole covers in autumn .

The only explanation I have is that the pictures were submitted one after the other.
In my experience, that works for such images as well.

Could be, and AI is pretty stupid and looks for a defined pattern than issues the rejection. Maybe the leaves are random enough to confuse it? Considering how we get rejections for water and grass and sand, for focus, the AI is pretty dumb.

Pete, I have my doubts that the review will be done exclusively by an AI anymore.
I rather think that this was the case a year ago, when the review worked several times a day and on weekends.
I also don't think that the AI has a break on weekends now.
I think there are now people sitting AI supported, who roll the dice on a whim

Unamas · « **Reply #7 on:** November 17, 2021, 17:07 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on November 17, 2021, 14:18

The only explanation I have is that the pictures were submitted one after the other.

Based on ID numbers they were submitted in one batch.

thijsdegraaf · « **Reply #8 on:** November 18, 2021, 02:19 »

Quote from: Unamas on November 17, 2021, 17:07

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on November 17, 2021, 14:18
The only explanation I have is that the pictures were submitted one after the other.
Based on ID numbers they were submitted in one batch.

But how old? In the thread on the Shutter forum, which I mentioned, it turned out to be all old photos. Someone could see that, but I can't remember how. (By the ID numbers??)
The reason given by the old Shutterstockers was that Shutterstock did not look at it then.

Unamas · « **Reply #9 on:** November 18, 2021, 02:52 »

Based on id numbers, they were taking/uploaded this autumn

Mimi the Cat · « **Reply #10 on:** November 18, 2021, 04:17 »

Quote from: Unamas on November 17, 2021, 14:06

Take a look https://www.shutterstock.com/g/knelson20?searchterm=drain&sort=newest First 20 images are identical for me.

I'd be more interested in why people seem to think multiple images of the same old garbage constitutes "art" and deserves to be bought by anyone

CSImages · « **Reply #11 on:** November 18, 2021, 04:48 »

Is there a market for drains at fall images ? $:-\$

thijsdegraaf · « **Reply #12 on:** November 18, 2021, 06:54 »

Quote from: CSImages on November 18, 2021, 04:48

Is there a market for drains at fall images ? $:-\$

Small market I suspect. I have some pictures. So far I have earned the most with this photo.

alan b traehern · « **Reply #13 on:** November 18, 2021, 07:24 »

Quote from: thijsdegraaf on November 18, 2021, 06:54

Quote from: CSImages on November 18, 2021, 04:48
Is there a market for drains at fall images ? $:-\$

Small market I suspect. I have some pictures. So far I have earned the most with this photo.

Good work when they sell.

Unamas · « **Reply #14 on:** November 18, 2021, 12:16 »

Quote from: CSImages on November 18, 2021, 04:48

Is there a market for drains at fall images ? $:-\$

Everything has a market, but it's hard to compete when you have one photo of something vs https://www.shutterstock.com/g/knelson20?searchterm=Vibrant+fall+colors+in+the+foliage+of+vines+growing+on+a+wall&sort=newest

How it's getting approved by SS?!

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #15 on:** November 18, 2021, 12:52 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on November 17, 2021, 16:30

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 17, 2021, 16:16
Quote from: RalfLiebhold on November 17, 2021, 14:18
Ok, it seems that someone has a fetish for manhole covers in autumn .

The only explanation I have is that the pictures were submitted one after the other.
In my experience, that works for such images as well.

Could be, and AI is pretty stupid and looks for a defined pattern than issues the rejection. Maybe the leaves are random enough to confuse it? Considering how we get rejections for water and grass and sand, for focus, the AI is pretty dumb.

Pete, I have my doubts that the review will be done exclusively by an AI anymore.
I rather think that this was the case a year ago, when the review worked several times a day and on weekends.
I also don't think that the AI has a break on weekends now.
I think there are now people sitting AI supported, who roll the dice on a whim

I have similar doubts that ALL are machine checked, however not that the machines are bad and stupid.

But images are probably checked by AI before they eventually get to a human, if ever. So lets say, "Focus: The main subject is out of focus or is not in focus due to camera shake, motion blur, overuse of noise reduction, or technical limitations of the equipment used (e.g. autofocus searching, camera sensor quality, etc)."

Is probably an AI rejection that no human saw, because the AI or BOT or whatever, a machine learning system decided this image was out of focus, In Error.

This is the image that's out of focus:

While: "Intellectual Property: Content contains subject matter that potentially infringes on intellectual property rights (e.g. artwork, writing, sheet music, isolated modern architecture, or other objects protected by copyright).

Title / Keyword Trademark: Title and/or keywords contain trademark issues (e.g. brand name, company name, etc).

Visible Trademark: Content contains visible brand names or logos."

Could also be machine, because the AI can read the keywords, find logos, even if it doesn't know what those logos actually are, it thinks it sees a logo.

On the other side, if an image passes initial machine review, then a human looks at them. The whole idea and where this is flawed, is when images get rejected, that shouldn't be, because they never get to the eyes of a human.

So yes, I agree, everything isn't 100% machine. Weekend where, in India, where they outsourced the reviews? Of course the humans are random, or have whims, and can reject something, for an inappropriate reason, because they are lazy and want to make their quota of reviews. But I still contend that AI is stupid.

Can be fooled into wrong rejections as well as passing images that should have been rejected. This isn't a one way street "rejections only", we just see it that way more often.

I found some documented evidence of weekend reviewers! This came in an unmarked envelope, dropped in my mail slot, from an anonymous source.

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #16 on:** November 18, 2021, 13:13 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 18, 2021, 12:52

I found some documented evidence of weekend reviewers! This came in an unmarked envelope, dropped in my mail slot, from an anonymous source.

Thanks Pete, that explains it all. The review always seemed like kindergarten to me.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #17 on:** November 19, 2021, 16:01 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on November 18, 2021, 13:13

Quote from: Uncle Pete on November 18, 2021, 12:52

I found some documented evidence of weekend reviewers! This came in an unmarked envelope, dropped in my mail slot, from an anonymous source.

Thanks Pete, that explains it all. The review always seemed like kindergarten to me.

I'm still shocked, I mean SHOCKED at the drains and leaves collection.

They must have that specific niche and subject totally dominated. I bet that lady makes all kinds of money from those many drains and leaves in the gutters. Or maybe not?

Here's another version of the top secret official reviewer decision device.

I'm on page one of pizza if you use the right three words... oh and there is only one page of that search.

Lowls · « **Reply #18 on:** December 02, 2021, 09:49 »

Similars on SS explained.

1.30 on.

https://youtu.be/eN8hBiQBrJM

HappyBunny · « **Reply #19 on:** December 13, 2021, 12:23 »

Is anyone looking at images in SS? I just got again a rejection for similar. One is a background and the other photos falls in the food category. That's two completely different categories. One image is a autumn leaves background and the other photo is a food photo with cookies and autumn leaves. How do I avoid these rejections? Now I have nearly every time rejections. A vertical version of a food photo showed opened corn with leaves and a horizontal photo showed completely closed corn with leaves. The vertical version was rejected for being similar. They are not similar. SS itself had once said that we should make a vertical version for magazines and a horizontal version for websites. However, both images are different. Only the background is the same. Do I wait and upload both rejected images in a month or two or what do I do? They are costing me money. This can't go on like this. No other agency does that not even Bigstock who are also obsessed with similar photos. I have never ever put up similar photos like other people have. Is there anything we can do about it? Is it worth it writing to SS?

Ackab · « **Reply #20 on:** December 13, 2021, 13:13 »

The similarity checks did get totally strict lately, beyond reasonable the way I see it. The way I avoid problems is to never submit anything even remotely related, say two pictures of two completely different cats (hey, it's till a cat! Similar!) in the same batch. Seems to work nicely, although it obviously slow things down a lot.

I submit the first cat, wait for it to be approved, and only then submit the second cat.

thijsdegraaf · « **Reply #21 on:** December 13, 2021, 14:40 »

Quote from: Ackab on December 13, 2021, 13:13

The similarity checks did get totally strict lately, beyond reasonable the way I see it. The way I avoid problems is to never submit anything even remotely related, say two pictures of two completely different cats (hey, it's till a cat! Similar!) in the same batch. Seems to work nicely, although it obviously slow things down a lot.

I submit the first cat, wait for it to be approved, and only then submit the second cat.

Yes, that's how I do it too. That works, but it indeed does take time.

cascoly · « **Reply #22 on:** December 13, 2021, 18:31 »

reviews very liberal wrt similars - i submit images from same shoot all the time - eg, recently, views of Dubrovnik with different pov, vert/horiz, etc. even individual images + a stitched panorama w only occ'l similar rejection. check my port below to see others

same bkgd is likely getting rejected by AI by comparing % of image it sees as 'same'. i have seen that, rarely, w h/v and just change one enough to pass

zeljkok · « **Reply #23 on:** December 13, 2021, 20:48 »

Yesterday I got these 2 accepted:

and

Taken from same spot, 10 seconds apart. Could have been a crop of same image easily, but it's not. Am quite surprised both went through

HappyBunny · « **Reply #24 on:** December 14, 2021, 03:16 »

Quote from: thijsdegraaf on December 13, 2021, 14:40

Quote from: Ackab on December 13, 2021, 13:13
The similarity checks did get totally strict lately, beyond reasonable the way I see it. The way I avoid problems is to never submit anything even remotely related, say two pictures of two completely different cats (hey, it's till a cat! Similar!) in the same batch. Seems to work nicely, although it obviously slow things down a lot.

I submit the first cat, wait for it to be approved, and only then submit the second cat.

Yes, that's how I do it too. That works, but it indeed does take time.

Thank you very, very much. That helps. Good idea. It really slows things down. I don't have that problem with other agencies and never ever took similar photos. Only one vertical version and one horizontal version but in my case the last 2 images of corn and autumn leaves were completely different. I have written to SS yesterday that they care costing me money and that this nonsense has to stop. I was soooooooooo angry. Now I have to make a separate folder just for SS. Great. But thank you for letting me know that that works. I was worried that their AI will remember it even if I wait for one year to upload the next image. I have seen so many images being so similar that I couldn't even see the difference straight away. I do understand that they don't want that. Thank you very much for taking the time to reply. Very much appreciated.

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Author Topic: How do people manage to avoid the rejection for Identical Submissions? (Read 24607 times)

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Uncle Pete

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Unamas

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