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« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2009, 16:47 »
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I see that Veer Marketplace is requiring the model's birth date and age to be on the model releases.  No other micro requires this, so as a result I do not have it on any of my releases.

I am not sure why this requirement is necessary.  For my minor models I have parental consent on the releases, and for the adults, beyond general age range for categorizing purposes,  I don't see how their exact birth date is necessary. 


Lisa,

Birth date is required on the IS MR __ and has been for as long as I can remember.


lisafx

« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2009, 16:50 »
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Well, my release was taken verbatim from a previous version of the IS release and it isn't on there.   Nor have I ever received a rejection from them for not having it.

Maybe I will now ;)

ETA:  I am glad for people who are using the latest IS release.  Apparently you won't have a problem.  But for me and anyone else who doesn't have that info on existing releases this will be a non-starter. 

Would very much appreciate some clarification on this point from Brian... :-\
« Last Edit: May 11, 2009, 16:56 by lisafx »

« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2009, 16:56 »
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I just checked out all the agreements, royalty structure, and submission requirements.  It mostly looks really good to me.  This is the first new entry into the micro arena that I have been enthusiastic about.

There is a significant fly in the ointment for me though.  I see that Veer Marketplace is requiring the model's birth date and age to be on the model releases.  No other micro requires this, so as a result I do not have it on any of my releases.

I am not sure why this requirement is necessary.  For my minor models I have parental consent on the releases, and for the adults, beyond general age range for categorizing purposes,  I don't see how their exact birth date is necessary. 

To go back over 5 years and 4500+ lifestyle images of people and track down around seventy models to have them sign new releases is not a realistic option.

Unless you can accept the same releases that everyone else has accepted, without birth date or exact age, I won't be able to submit the majority of my quality work to Veer Marketplace.

I imagine a lot of other contributors will be in the same boat.



Same problem here with the model releases. I'm not going to track down all my models from the past 5 years to have them sign a new release....

Patrick H.


« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2009, 17:35 »
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Great. Thank you for a quick response! and thank you Lisa for bringing this up.

lisafx

« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2009, 17:36 »
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Hi folks,

The age of the model is helpful to our customers as it's possible in the Veer CV to search by age, but we won't require it for Veer Marketplace.  That's the same model release we use for macro, hence the inclusion of model's birth date.  I'll talk to Brian about a revised model release for Veer Marketplace.



Thanks so much Aaron.  :)

Big relief.  I would hate to miss out on uploading some of my best images because of the birth date thing!  

FWIW I just revised my release to include it for future shoots.  

Glad Brian's getting some R&R before June 8.  I think things will really be hopping then :D


« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2009, 17:41 »
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I agree with Lisa. Exact birth date is no way relevant for a model release form. Some models might consider it as an invasion of privacy too, and rightfully so.

i'll third that , Aaron. i was just about to say. I just finished discussing this to one of my friends who wanted to model for me, and she shied off the idea with a big "WHY?, forget it then!".
this could be difficult for us.

i would say, the age of a minor could be relevant , in order to necessitate the signature of  a parent.
but the birthdate are quite taboo, actually. even for contributors, esp, when records are prone to hacking.

please check with Brian and those who make the rules to see if you can get this idea waived.

lisafx

« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2009, 17:49 »
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I agree with Lisa. Exact birth date is no way relevant for a model release form. Some models might consider it as an invasion of privacy too, and rightfully so.

i'll third that , Aaron. i was just about to say. I just finished discussing this to one of my friends who wanted to model for me, and she shied off the idea with a big "WHY?, forget it then!".
this could be difficult for us.

i would say, the age of a minor could be relevant , in order to necessitate the signature of  a parent.
but the birthdate are quite taboo, actually. even for contributors, esp, when records are prone to hacking.

please check with Brian and those who make the rules to see if you can get this idea waived.


Not to mention I photograph a lot of middle-agers and seniors and they are pretty tight lipped about their ages ;)

« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2009, 17:55 »
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i'll third that , Aaron. i was just about to say. I just finished discussing this to one of my friends who wanted to model for me, and she shied off the idea with a big "WHY?, forget it then!".
this could be difficult for us.

i would say, the age of a minor could be relevant , in order to necessitate the signature of  a parent.
but the birthdate are quite taboo, actually. even for contributors, esp, when records are prone to hacking.

please check with Brian and those who make the rules to see if you can get this idea waived.


Not to mention I photograph a lot of middle-agers and seniors and they are pretty tight lipped about their ages ;)

No kidding!!!  once in French class many years ago, someone asked the teacher her age and she glared, "Monsieur, you know it's not polite to ask a lady her age once she survives 35 ?"

Furthermore, some people don't look their age, especially certain race groups.
I would think better for a broad category such as:
child / infant
youth
adult
senior
in the sense of what the model is portraying, rather than her/his actual age,
 as i've shot some models who easily look a 35 years and then in the next session a 17 year old with the help of a makeover artist.
thus, asking those models actual age would be quite misleading for the buyer's purpose in the search of those images.
« Last Edit: May 11, 2009, 18:04 by Perseus »

« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2009, 18:32 »
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I've been a huge fan of Veer's for a long time, primarily because they are the only marketplace to offer typography.  Like Lisa, this is the first micro offering I've been excited about in quite some time, and really look forward to being a part of Veer.

« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2009, 18:36 »
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Like Lisa, this is the first micro offering I've been excited about in quite some time, and really look forward to being a part of Veer.
Same here.

« Reply #36 on: May 29, 2009, 13:46 »
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Hi folks,

The age of the model is helpful to our customers as it's possible in the Veer CV to search by age, but we won't require it for Veer Marketplace.  That's the same model release we use for macro, hence the inclusion of model's birth date.  I'll talk to Brian about a revised model release for Veer Marketplace.

Much appreciate your feedback as it helps us tweak and polish things along the way.

By the way, I'll have the updated rate card including Credit Pack and Subscription pricing posted soon to clarify the questions on royalties.

Stay tuned...

Aaron

ps.  Brian is on holiday this week but I'll be around for questions and comments.

Clarification on the model release birth date question.

Veer will continue to include the requirement for the model's birth date on the Veer model release and we strongly prefer model releases to include the model's age, however, we will accept third party model releases (ones from other companies) that don't have the model's birth date or age provide that it states "Model represents that they are age 18 or older".

We need to make sure that the model who signs the release was an adult at the time they signed, otherwise the guardian would need to be signing on behalf of the model.

And of course, providing accurate ages in your metadata is also much appreciated.

Let us know if you have any questions.

Aaron
« Last Edit: May 29, 2009, 13:53 by AaronBooth »

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« Reply #37 on: May 29, 2009, 14:53 »
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Veer will continue to include the requirement for the model's birth date on the Veer model release and we strongly prefer model releases to include the model's age, however, we will accept third party model releases (ones from other companies) that don't have the model's birth date or age provide that it states "Model represents that they are age 18 or older".

We need to make sure that the model who signs the release was an adult at the time they signed, otherwise the guardian would need to be signing on behalf of the model.

And of course, providing accurate ages in your metadata is also much appreciated.

Let us know if you have any questions.

Aaron

I think in some cases, eg. lisafx's models, there is no doubt they are 18 years or older, it should be unnecessary to ask the models' age or stipulate it in the metadata.  How many seniors would you be able to ask how old are you exactly, ma'am?
Also, the metadata is to give an idea of what age group the model portrays? It would again be misleading if not redundant to say 36 years, when your model is portraying a younger person. It's not unusual for (a) certain model(s)  to be able to look younger/ older by doing a proper makeover.

I think it should only be specific if the model is a child or very young.

« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2009, 09:32 »
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never mind, message removed, emailed veer directly.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2009, 09:55 by stock shooter »

lisafx

« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2009, 10:15 »
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Clarification on the model release birth date question.

Veer will continue to include the requirement for the model's birth date on the Veer model release and we strongly prefer model releases to include the model's age, however, we will accept third party model releases (ones from other companies) that don't have the model's birth date or age provide that it states "Model represents that they are age 18 or older".

We need to make sure that the model who signs the release was an adult at the time they signed, otherwise the guardian would need to be signing on behalf of the model.

And of course, providing accurate ages in your metadata is also much appreciated.

Let us know if you have any questions.

Aaron

Aaron, thanks for the clarification on the model releases.  I am attempting to get new releases from those I can. 

For those of children I have their parent's signatures on them.  I assume birth date is unnecessary since their parents have already signed for them? 

« Reply #40 on: May 30, 2009, 10:26 »
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Are images showing up at Veer Marketplace for those that have had their Snapvillage portfolios accepted and moved over, or will this not happen until June 8th?

« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2009, 14:23 »
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yes there are lots of snapvillage images already at Veer.

« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2009, 02:30 »
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Another thing occurred to me. Is Veer a US based operation and will they also implement the 30% IRS tax on all payouts to non-US contributors? Or will they move to Ireland formally, like SV did?
« Last Edit: May 31, 2009, 02:33 by FlemishDreams »

« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2009, 02:55 »
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Veer will continue to include the requirement for the model's birth date on the Veer model release and we strongly prefer model releases to include the model's age, however, we will accept third party model releases (ones from other companies) that don't have the model's birth date or age provide that it states "Model represents that they are age 18 or older".

"Other companies", does that included our own generic releases?
To play it safe "they are age 18 or older" is not enough. Some countries have provisions that some 18 year olds can't legally sign releases. I have that clause in my personal generic release.
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The Model is not a minor, and does have the legal age or status in his/her country to sign this Agreement and is 18 years of age or older on the Photographs session date(s).
No need for birthday then I guess.

We need to make sure that the model who signs the release was an adult at the time they signed, otherwise the guardian would need to be signing on behalf of the model.

Of course. All releases in microstock, generic or site-supplied take care of that. A minor has to sign a different releases co-signed by the parent/guardian. This has all been settled in microstock for years.

The birth date of the model has no meaning for a buyer if he doesn't know what date the picture was shot. He only needs the assurance that model was in a legal condition to sign himself (major), or he needed a permission at the time of the shoot (minor) from a guardian or parent.

And of course, providing accurate ages in your metadata is also much appreciated.

No way. An image is going to lead its own life with embedded metadata. I don't put name nor birth day in my metadata, just a code for the release form. I don't want my models to be subject to identity theft or harassment since it's easy to obtain a person's data with name and birth date. It's against the model's privacy.

« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2009, 03:39 »
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Another thing occurred to me. Is Veer a US based operation and will they also implement the 30% IRS tax on all payouts to non-US contributors? Or will they move to Ireland formally, like SV did?


From UGCX i think I remember Veer being based out of Calgary, Canada.  But it appears they also have local offices in a number of other countries, US and Germany for sure.

bittersweet

« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2009, 12:58 »
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And of course, providing accurate ages in your metadata is also much appreciated.

No way. An image is going to lead its own life with embedded metadata. I don't put name nor birth day in my metadata, just a code for the release form. I don't want my models to be subject to identity theft or harassment since it's easy to obtain a person's data with name and birth date. It's against the model's privacy.

I interpreted this to mean: Please don't keyword your 40-year-old MILF as a 20-year-old just because she looks hawt.

« Reply #46 on: June 01, 2009, 08:44 »
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My images have been moved over and are showing up on VM but of course I can't log in yet.
http://www.veer.com/products/artistgallery.aspx?artist=13741&pricemodelcode=MP

« Reply #47 on: June 01, 2009, 09:14 »
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My images have been moved over and are showing up on VM but of course I can't log in yet.
http://www.veer.com/products/artistgallery.aspx?artist=13741&pricemodelcode=MP


Congratulations, I'm sure you will do very well there.

I can't see any of mine yet, I received the 'marketplace' acceptance email from SV, I'm starting think this may have been an error. I hope not. :(

« Reply #48 on: June 01, 2009, 10:16 »
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My images have been moved over and are showing up on VM but of course I can't log in yet.
http://www.veer.com/products/artistgallery.aspx?artist=13741&pricemodelcode=MP


Congratulations, I'm sure you will do very well there.

I can't see any of mine yet, I received the 'marketplace' acceptance email from SV, I'm starting think this may have been an error. I hope not. :(



Massman,thank you.
I couldn't find them at the beginning but did a search for "champagne"  for one of my better selling images and found them. For now I think this is the only way to find if your port has been moved.

« Reply #49 on: June 01, 2009, 14:54 »
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If you enter your SV user name in the search box for Veer Marketplace the search will return all of your images that have been transferred from SV to Veer.

-Don


 

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