Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on May 18, 2012, 20:15
That's not really feasible because of different approval times and different uploading practices when approaching different sites. Just because a file is on Veer today but not on Alamy doesn't mean that tomorrow it won't have been uploaded directly to Alamy.

That's a good point. Doing an automatic check when moving old images would still be at least a step forward from the present scenario that is less than ideal.

Quote from: Brian O'Shea on May 18, 2012, 15:19
Hi All –

We are currently working with Alamy to find a solution to this situation.

For more context here, we are regularly seeking ways to increase sales of your images through new agency relationships such as the one we've recently launched with Alamy.
These agencies offer additional exposure and access to different markets beyond that offered thru Veer.com.

Clearly, creating duplicates is not good business for any of us: for you, for us, or for our partners.
We will be providing additional details on this, and other partnerships soon.


-  Brian

Thanks Brian, glad to hear that something is happening about duplicates. I am sure you'd understand that I'd rather have the images I placed direct on alamy as the one retained.

What hasn't been answered though is what is the commission that we have been receiving on these sales to date? Are these coming through as standard veer sales?

Quote from: Phil on May 18, 2012, 22:52

Thanks Brian, glad to hear that something is happening about duplicates. I am sure you'd understand that I'd rather have the images I placed direct on alamy as the one retained.

What hasn't been answered though is what is the commission that we have been receiving on these sales to date? Are these coming through as standard veer sales?

Agreed.  Thanks for stepping in, Brian, and working on a solution to this.  I would also like to know what we have been getting paid at various partner sites, and how we can identify partner sales vs. Veer sales. 

Quote from: jsnover on May 18, 2012, 15:23

Quote from: Brian O'Shea on May 18, 2012, 15:19
...For more context here, we are regularly seeking ways to increase sales of your images through new agency relationships such as the one we've recently launched with Alamy.
These agencies offer additional exposure and access to different markets beyond that offered thru Veer.com....

In addition to communicating with contributors up front about these things, I would expect that a simple rule that would keep you out of trouble is not to form partnerships with distributors to which Veer contributors can submit directly. Otherwise you're just trying to take a cut out of our income instead of actually increasing the places our images can sell

Exactly!  The word "predatory" comes to mind.

Quote from: Phil on May 18, 2012, 22:52

Quote from: Brian O'Shea on May 18, 2012, 15:19
Hi All –

We are currently working with Alamy to find a solution to this situation.

For more context here, we are regularly seeking ways to increase sales of your images through new agency relationships such as the one we've recently launched with Alamy.
These agencies offer additional exposure and access to different markets beyond that offered thru Veer.com.

Clearly, creating duplicates is not good business for any of us: for you, for us, or for our partners.
We will be providing additional details on this, and other partnerships soon.


-  Brian

Thanks Brian, glad to hear that something is happening about duplicates. I am sure you'd understand that I'd rather have the images I placed direct on alamy as the one retained.

What hasn't been answered though is what is the commission that we have been receiving on these sales to date? Are these coming through as standard veer sales?

+1

You should be able to tell us the commissions we would get for a sale immediately (or is it we wouldn't like the answer)

Quote from: Brian O'Shea on May 18, 2012, 15:19
For more context here, we are regularly seeking ways to increase sales of your images through new agency relationships such as the one we've recently launched with Alamy.
These agencies offer additional exposure and access to different markets beyond that offered thru Veer.com.

good, but so why not including the best images from Veer in CORBIS rather than begging at Alamy ?

Quote from: antistock on May 19, 2012, 08:02

Quote from: Brian O'Shea on May 18, 2012, 15:19
For more context here, we are regularly seeking ways to increase sales of your images through new agency relationships such as the one we've recently launched with Alamy.
These agencies offer additional exposure and access to different markets beyond that offered thru Veer.com.

good, but so why not including the best images from Veer in CORBIS rather than begging at Alamy ?

Ah, now, I wouldn't want to opt out of Corbis if they put them there. No chance of duplicates, either (unless I've got some there through some other deal I don't know about).

Quote from: antistock on May 19, 2012, 08:02

Quote from: Brian O'Shea on May 18, 2012, 15:19
For more context here, we are regularly seeking ways to increase sales of your images through new agency relationships such as the one we've recently launched with Alamy.
These agencies offer additional exposure and access to different markets beyond that offered thru Veer.com.

good, but so why not including the best images from Veer in CORBIS rather than begging at Alamy ?

Right question!

Quote from: antistock on May 19, 2012, 08:02

Quote from: Brian O'Shea on May 18, 2012, 15:19
For more context here, we are regularly seeking ways to increase sales of your images through new agency relationships such as the one we've recently launched with Alamy.
These agencies offer additional exposure and access to different markets beyond that offered thru Veer.com.

good, but so why not including the best images from Veer in CORBIS rather than begging at Alamy ?

Very good question. And like all very good and incomode questions, it will be left unanswered.

Has it been confirmed that Veer caused files on Alamy to be deleted?  I have friends that submit to both but don't keep up too much on this, I've already told them to close their accounts with Veer but want to make sure that their Alamy portfolios haven't been affected.

Quote from: traveler1116 on May 21, 2012, 04:04
Has it been confirmed that Veer caused files on Alamy to be deleted?  I have friends that submit to both but don't keep up too much on this, I've already told them to close their accounts with Veer but want to make sure that their Alamy portfolios haven't been affected.

I asked that my account be closed at Veer and received a reply from Brian that he's working on the issue with Alamy.

OFFICIAL ALAMY REPLY:
We do not have a policy to delete duplicates as Alamy is a non exclusive market place.

If there are duplicates with images already on Alamy that does not have any effect whatsoever on the AlamyRank, exposure, etc of either image as the two have no link between them.

Ultimately it is up to the contributors how they distribute their imagery.





I think it is about time that my straightforward questions were answered, since it is hard to imagine "the man dealing with it" hasn't got back into the office for the best part of a week.

The main questions were:

Are our images being deleted if Veer uploads them on its account?
If we shut a Veer account after images have been deleted, will they be restored or will we have to reupload?

The problem with the latter being that since everything is being done sneakily behind our backs. we won't even know what images we have lost - which would  make it imperative that accounts are closed as soon as poss before they get everything pushed across, potentially destroying thousands of hours of work in uploading/keywording on Alamy.

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on May 21, 2012, 13:02
OFFICIAL ALAMY REPLY:
We do not have a policy to delete duplicates as Alamy is a non exclusive market place.

If there are duplicates with images already on Alamy that does not have any effect whatsoever on the AlamyRank, exposure, etc of either image as the two have no link between them.

Ultimately it is up to the contributors how they distribute their imagery.

Yep.  Exactly the same reply here.  Must have been cut and pasted to all of us who wrote with concerns. 

Well, I consider it good news that none of my images have been, nor will be removed from my account.  That still leaves us with the competing with ourselves issue though.  Seems like we will have to work that out through Veer.  Hopefully Brian comes back with an opt out. 

This month Alamy earning passed already My last 12 month total Veer earnings.

Waiting for an opt out option from Veer.

Quote from: ayzek on May 21, 2012, 16:17
This month Alamy earning passed already My last 12 month total Veer earnings.

Waiting for an opt out option from Veer.

+1

Wow! I was considering uploading to Veer.... Really glad I didn't! 

Quote from: velocicarpo on May 21, 2012, 16:41

Quote from: ayzek on May 21, 2012, 16:17
This month Alamy earning passed already My last 12 month total Veer earnings.

Waiting for an opt out option from Veer.

+1

+2

Call me naive but I expected better from Alamy.  I thought they were the good guys who claim to donate 89% of profits to medical research.  I had hoped they would rise to a higher standard (than other sites).  They should give us an opt out button.  Not just for Veer duplicates but for all third parties who may try to insert themselves as middlemen.   

Quote from: trek on May 21, 2012, 20:41
Call me naive but I expected better from Alamy.  I thought they were the good guys who claim to donate 89% of profits to medical research.  I had hoped they would rise to a higher standard (than other sites).  They should give us an opt out button.  Not just for Veer duplicates but for all third parties who may try to insert themselves as middlemen.   

Huh?  It isn't Alamy's responsibility to keep you from uploading multiple photos. They are a photolibrary, they are not a photo agency.  There is a difference.

I contribute to other Macros that also upload to Alamy on my behalf (what Veer is attempting to do) with the ability to opt out of the additional distribution.  The issue is with Veer - not Alamy.

For what it's worth...you shouldn't have duplicates on Alamy but some contributors do mostly because they work with other agencies that do their own keywording...essentially, it's more exposure to the photographer under different searches.

Alamy does not delete images unless they find later that they violate the contributor agreement.

I agree that there does not appear to be an issue with Alamy's behaviour but the library/agency dichotomy seems to me to be entirely false. I don't know of any libraryies that sell licenses to reprint books. It's no different from iStock or Getty (or Shutterstock?) or the majority of other agencies that allow both direct sales and resales from other collections and started out by taking individual submissions.

Brian, any news on this?

Veer is obviously moving over more and more images to Alamy - I can see more of them in my portfolio than a few days before.

So is there anything being done to give us an opt-out option?

And how much are we going to get paid?

If it's going to be Veer's standard royalties, then it's bye-bye Veer. I will propably lose more by Veer "cannibalizing" my Alamy sales than I will earn at Veer as a whole

Quote from: Perry on May 24, 2012, 16:23
And how much are we going to get paid?

If it's going to be Veer's standard royalties, then it's bye-bye Veer.

That's what Veer's FAQ says.  And if that's true, then I'll be saying bye-bye right along with you!

My friend just cancelled their account at Veer.  Good thing it was reported here or they never would have known.