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« Reply #75 on: March 17, 2016, 16:33 »
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He is great entertainment to watch, but certainly is doing all he can to discredit the USA. China and many other places can now tell their population - see Donald Trump? That is democracy!!

He does know how to connect online and on TV. I do get the "not part of the establishment" thing.

But he sees the presidency as the one challenge left for him, what else is there for him to do? And he is hardly spending any money on it, compared to all the others.

It is a masterful marketing achievement.

He would be a complete disaster, I thought Palin was bad, this is just unreal.


« Reply #76 on: March 17, 2016, 16:34 »
+5
Palin aspires to talk like a 4th grader, lol.

Shelma1

« Reply #77 on: March 17, 2016, 16:34 »
+4
How can you possibly say an elegantly and intelligently written statement is Trump-like?  Trump wouldn't understand half of the words in there much less their meaning.  Trump likes Twitter because 140 characters is about the limit of his thinking capacity.  Trump writes and speaks like a fourth grader - he doesn't come close to the way Tryingmybest writes.

(Full disclosure - I have no idea who Tryingmybest is other than what they write in these forums)

Well-written? Yes. It's also full of hyperbole, something Trump is very good at.

I don't see your point for continuing to compare him to a 4th grader. Exaggeration doesn't make the argument stronger...it has the opposite effect. He has come this far without the backing of the GOP, the media and pretty much every important organization out there, so he must be doing something right. And if you look at past the the surface, he has done a lot of things right.

So then every murderous maniac who's risen to power must have been doing something right. Right?

« Reply #78 on: March 17, 2016, 16:37 »
+2

He would be a complete disaster, I thought Palin was bad, this is just unreal.

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« Reply #79 on: March 17, 2016, 16:38 »
+2

.....It certainly isn't exaggeration.  He speaks like an elementary school child.  Everything is either "tremendous" or involves "winning" or it's "awful" and "losing".  He has no vocabulary that I've seen, aside from those simple words, and playground insults at others.

there's some confusion since these statements seem to refer to an analysis of trump's speeches showing a 4th grade READING level, while Cruz's are several  grades higher

these are based a standard test using # of syllables and sentence length & complexity, with no reflection on actual content -- Hemingway wrote at a 4th grade level, and most fiction is at grade 9 or less (including David Foster Wallace!)

"Cormac McCarthy, Jane Austen, and Hunter S. Thompson join J.K. Rowling in the readability realm of pre-teens. The content of McCarthys and Thompsons novels isnt meant for children, but these writers comprehensibility is rather universal."
---  https://contently.com/strategist/2015/01/28/this-surprising-reading-level-analysis-will-change-the-way-you-write/

Hongover

« Reply #80 on: March 17, 2016, 17:08 »
+1
How can you possibly say an elegantly and intelligently written statement is Trump-like?  Trump wouldn't understand half of the words in there much less their meaning.  Trump likes Twitter because 140 characters is about the limit of his thinking capacity.  Trump writes and speaks like a fourth grader - he doesn't come close to the way Tryingmybest writes.

(Full disclosure - I have no idea who Tryingmybest is other than what they write in these forums)

Well-written? Yes. It's also full of hyperbole, something Trump is very good at.

I don't see your point for continuing to compare him to a 4th grader. Exaggeration doesn't make the argument stronger...it has the opposite effect. He has come this far without the backing of the GOP, the media and pretty much every important organization out there, so he must be doing something right. And if you look at past the the surface, he has done a lot of things right.

It certainly isn't exaggeration.  He speaks like an elementary school child.  Everything is either "tremendous" or involves "winning" or it's "awful" and "losing".  He has no vocabulary that I've seen, aside from those simple words, and playground insults at others.

And based on the same "study", the other candidates were not much better. Hillary was was middle school level, as well as many other candidates. Sanders barely made it to 10th grade on the same scale. Based on that same scale, we're all probably around middle school as well.

So yes, it's an exaggeration that's based on a comparison to written text as opposed to everyday speech. Just because someone published this report doesn't make it factual. Trump no doubt has read numerous contracts that are beyond college level and he probably understands them better than any of us do.

« Reply #81 on: March 17, 2016, 17:21 »
+7
I didn't purport to classify his reading level.  We're talking about his almost embarrassing "speechifying" (as Bush would say).

Hongover

« Reply #82 on: March 17, 2016, 17:38 »
+2
I didn't purport to classify his reading level.  We're talking about his almost embarrassing "speechifying" (as Bush would say).

I see that as his marketing persona. I'm sure he is very aware of that as well. It's his way of connecting with people and it's working for him.

Trump is anything but dumb. Watch this interview from 25 years ago and he's the same guy, though he's a bit less angry and more articulate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbzTyhIv2B8

This is a man who loves his country, maybe too much. People claimed that he his sexist, but in the interview, he acknowledged the possibility of a female president.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2016, 17:45 by Minscer »

« Reply #83 on: March 17, 2016, 18:18 »
+1
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.

I have no pro or con for Trump.
But do you really believe that he will not be, him too, one of these "who promise things and never deliver"?
I am sure he will; all politicians are

hard to deliver since he hasn't made any concrete promises other than everything will be great.  he's a demagogue playing to sexist, racist, nationalist and anti-immigrant feelings. 

even the republican party can't back him! 

meanwhile Obama has come thru on many of his promises:
-affordable care act giving health care to over 10 million more
-stimulus which pulled us out of Bush's recession
-steady jobs growth over 6 years
-an historic climate change agreement
-opening relations with Cuba
-fewer prisoners in Guantanamo (remainder are there because of republican congress' refusal to act)

as far as trump as a 'successful' business man - that's no where near the same as running a govt in which you have to actually work WITH the other branches of govt; business owners already run too much in the US while paying little or no taxes

"Affordable" health care. Not. It's more expensive and covers less. I went to a cardiologist. He ordered three tests for me. I didn't do them because the crappy Obamacare insurance won't pay a penny for them, and I have the best plan you can get out of the batch. The other insurance plans wouldn't have even covered the doctor's visit. Those 10 million people you mention may have health insurance, but they don't have health care.

So you can listen to the rhetoric about how great the insurance is, or you can try using it to get a taste of the reality. And I make a decent income. All those other people who didn't have insurance before because they couldn't afford it sure aren't going to be able to pay for all the things it doesn't cover.

« Reply #84 on: March 17, 2016, 18:53 »
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http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results


...so?

I mean, seriously, why is that so OMG-America? Remember, there were Obama and Bush already. How could Trump possibly be worse than these characters?

And that total incompetent by the name of Clinton who has a track record of criminal wrongdoing since Watergate (destroying evidence and skewing the outcome any way her masters wanted her to), and who later on enriched herself with illegal funds (laundering them trough fake Refco accounts disguised as "commodities profits" she never really made), and possible dozens of similar other goings on that only haven't made it into the news -- does THAT inspire so much more confidence?

That Sanders-freak who believes he has "overcome the laws of supply and demand"...? All the other puppets out there who are just waiting to take "orders from above" and sell even more of us to their "masters". Is this so much better than the madman Trump who is obviously running just because that's the only spleen he hasn't tried yet?

I know that this is a stronghold of socialist do-gooders here, you guys are proving it with about every word coming out of your mouths, your views about how "we need to eliminate competition" by not having new stock photographers getting into the agencies, how it is "a good thing" when artists are leaving "so there is more of the cake" left for yourselves etc etc.

This is exactly the kind of loser thinking that's so painfully dominant here -- and this is not even coming from my mouth, but Yuri Acurs'  from socialist Denmark who said as much in one of his blog posts last year because he's talking from experience he must have gathered back in his home country -- , and I grant you that most of you guys, for these very reasons and views of yourselves alone, will likely hate anyone who threatens to "spoil your party" of "Obama money" food stamps and free lunches. But when (not if) the music stops, anyone with a mindset like that will be having a rough awakening anyway.

Just to be clear, I wouldn't want to see the risk of Trump becoming president materializing but -- come on -- it would by no means spell more disaster than any of the "alternatives" (who are not alternatives but yet-more-of-the same).

>Trump:
>He actually wants to build a Wall!  :o

@zero_talent, Bush built Guantanamo, Obama promised to do away with it but did not, so what's the shocker with that "wall", anyway? You don't seem to know the first thing about this country, if you try making "a point" out of that: there are camera-and-drone-enforced fences down there for a long time already (and they date back to Clinton's and Bush-the-Older-One's years).

Apart from @cobalt and very few others, how many here do have any real opinion or some real knowledge of their own, or why is there hardly anyone coming up with anything more original than what the mainstream media talking heads are feeding you? Doesn't look like it -- and THAT is the real "OMG America" thing :)
« Last Edit: March 17, 2016, 19:10 by stuttershock »

« Reply #85 on: March 17, 2016, 20:21 »
+2
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.

I have no pro or con for Trump.
But do you really believe that he will not be, him too, one of these "who promise things and never deliver"?
I am sure he will; all politicians are

hard to deliver since he hasn't made any concrete promises other than everything will be great.  he's a demagogue playing to sexist, racist, nationalist and anti-immigrant feelings. 

even the republican party can't back him! 

meanwhile Obama has come thru on many of his promises:
-affordable care act giving health care to over 10 million more
-stimulus which pulled us out of Bush's recession
-steady jobs growth over 6 years
-an historic climate change agreement
-opening relations with Cuba
-fewer prisoners in Guantanamo (remainder are there because of republican congress' refusal to act)

as far as trump as a 'successful' business man - that's no where near the same as running a govt in which you have to actually work WITH the other branches of govt; business owners already run too much in the US while paying little or no taxes

"Affordable" health care. Not. It's more expensive and covers less. I went to a cardiologist. He ordered three tests for me. I didn't do them because the crappy Obamacare insurance won't pay a penny for them, and I have the best plan you can get out of the batch. The other insurance plans wouldn't have even covered the doctor's visit. Those 10 million people you mention may have health insurance, but they don't have health care.

So you can listen to the rhetoric about how great the insurance is, or you can try using it to get a taste of the reality. And I make a decent income. All those other people who didn't have insurance before because they couldn't afford it sure aren't going to be able to pay for all the things it doesn't cover.

Is it obamacare or is it the totally bs health care system that we have in place where the insurance companies and the healthcare physicians are colluding to just keep raking in the money from patients.

I went to see this specialist a couple of months ago. For a brief 15 minute consultation with basically me telling her what my issues were and her ordering some blood samples, she puts in her invoice $1400 for first time consultation. What kind of bs system have we gotten ourselves into because the people/corporations that make the big money lobby money to politicians that make our laws and keep the fat cats fat.

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« Reply #86 on: March 17, 2016, 20:47 »
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I'm not qualified to judge the potential of a would-be president, but I do like to observe how they became an option in the first place.

« Reply #87 on: March 17, 2016, 20:49 »
+6


I know that this is a stronghold of socialist do-gooders here .... kind of loser thinking ....   from socialist Denmark who said as much in one of his blog posts last year because he's talking from experience he must have gathered back in his home country


And what precisely is wrong with 'socialist do-gooders'? Say, for example in terrible Denmark which you mention? The country which has once again been assesed by those crypto-communists at Forbes Magazine as the best country in the world to do business (with USA falling for the 6th consecutive year to 22nd) http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/ And it seems to suit the do-gooders as the annual Happiness Index from the UN's Sustainable Development Solutions Network http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35824033 has it as the happest country in the world followed by four other Nordic countries. 

These seems to be the models Mr Sanders is enthusiastic about, Ridiculous - why would anyone want happiness and economic success, must be a * commie.

« Last Edit: March 17, 2016, 20:52 by douglas »

Hongover

« Reply #88 on: March 17, 2016, 20:50 »
0
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.

I have no pro or con for Trump.
But do you really believe that he will not be, him too, one of these "who promise things and never deliver"?
I am sure he will; all politicians are

hard to deliver since he hasn't made any concrete promises other than everything will be great.  he's a demagogue playing to sexist, racist, nationalist and anti-immigrant feelings. 

even the republican party can't back him! 

meanwhile Obama has come thru on many of his promises:
-affordable care act giving health care to over 10 million more
-stimulus which pulled us out of Bush's recession
-steady jobs growth over 6 years
-an historic climate change agreement
-opening relations with Cuba
-fewer prisoners in Guantanamo (remainder are there because of republican congress' refusal to act)

as far as trump as a 'successful' business man - that's no where near the same as running a govt in which you have to actually work WITH the other branches of govt; business owners already run too much in the US while paying little or no taxes

"Affordable" health care. Not. It's more expensive and covers less. I went to a cardiologist. He ordered three tests for me. I didn't do them because the crappy Obamacare insurance won't pay a penny for them, and I have the best plan you can get out of the batch. The other insurance plans wouldn't have even covered the doctor's visit. Those 10 million people you mention may have health insurance, but they don't have health care.

So you can listen to the rhetoric about how great the insurance is, or you can try using it to get a taste of the reality. And I make a decent income. All those other people who didn't have insurance before because they couldn't afford it sure aren't going to be able to pay for all the things it doesn't cover.

Is it obamacare or is it the totally bs health care system that we have in place where the insurance companies and the healthcare physicians are colluding to just keep raking in the money from patients.

I went to see this specialist a couple of months ago. For a brief 15 minute consultation with basically me telling her what my issues were and her ordering some blood samples, she puts in her invoice $1400 for first time consultation. What kind of bs system have we gotten ourselves into because the people/corporations that make the big money lobby money to politicians that make our laws and keep the fat cats fat.

I hope that didn't have to come out of your pockets. I ran into a similar, but less dramatic situation a couple days ago. My wife went to see a dentist for a 15 minute consultation and they charged a ridiculous $275 dollars, because she decided to use someone else. I think my wife panicked and paid. I had to call them up the next day to get a refund. They refused to waive the fee, but agreed to refund the original payment and charge her half of the original fee. It's incredible to see what they get away with.

« Reply #89 on: March 17, 2016, 20:52 »
+6
Nothing wrong with Trump winning. People are tired of politicians who promise things and never deliver. People are tried of politicians who are easily bribed by lobbyist groups and help their rich friends get richer.

Trump winning is a shot in the arm for America. He just may be the best candidate in this entire election.

I have no pro or con for Trump.
But do you really believe that he will not be, him too, one of these "who promise things and never deliver"?
I am sure he will; all politicians are

hard to deliver since he hasn't made any concrete promises other than everything will be great.  he's a demagogue playing to sexist, racist, nationalist and anti-immigrant feelings. 

even the republican party can't back him! 

meanwhile Obama has come thru on many of his promises:
-affordable care act giving health care to over 10 million more
-stimulus which pulled us out of Bush's recession
-steady jobs growth over 6 years
-an historic climate change agreement
-opening relations with Cuba
-fewer prisoners in Guantanamo (remainder are there because of republican congress' refusal to act)

as far as trump as a 'successful' business man - that's no where near the same as running a govt in which you have to actually work WITH the other branches of govt; business owners already run too much in the US while paying little or no taxes

"Affordable" health care. Not. It's more expensive and covers less. I went to a cardiologist. He ordered three tests for me. I didn't do them because the crappy Obamacare insurance won't pay a penny for them, and I have the best plan you can get out of the batch. The other insurance plans wouldn't have even covered the doctor's visit. Those 10 million people you mention may have health insurance, but they don't have health care.

So you can listen to the rhetoric about how great the insurance is, or you can try using it to get a taste of the reality. And I make a decent income. All those other people who didn't have insurance before because they couldn't afford it sure aren't going to be able to pay for all the things it doesn't cover.

that may be your experience with a poor health care plan - it's not a reflection of the real world == unfortunately, we're well behind every other industrial nation in having universal health care -- the ACA was a small step in the right direction -- miles ahead of ANY republican alternative

that's the big difference - republicans are ALL demagogues - saying No to anything without ANY actual ALTERNATIVES

**** European and other members who have real UNIVERSAL health care, feel free to laugh at our pathetic American attempts to bring our country up to MINIMAL world standards, but Obama's ACA was the best we could do considering the overwhelming negativity of republicans (and some democrats)
« Last Edit: March 17, 2016, 20:57 by cascoly »

Hongover

« Reply #90 on: March 17, 2016, 21:10 »
+1


I know that this is a stronghold of socialist do-gooders here .... kind of loser thinking ....   from socialist Denmark who said as much in one of his blog posts last year because he's talking from experience he must have gathered back in his home country


And what precisely is wrong with 'socialist do-gooders'? Say, for example in terrible Denmark which you mention? The country which has once again been assesed by those crypto-communists at Forbes Magazine as the best country in the world to do business (with USA falling for the 6th consecutive year to 22nd) http://www.forbes.com/best-countries-for-business/ And it seems to suit the do-gooders as the annual Happiness Index from the UN's Sustainable Development Solutions Network http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35824033 has it as the happest country in the world followed by four other Nordic countries. 

These seems to be the models Mr Sanders is enthusiastic about, Ridiculous - why would anyone want happiness and economic success, must be a * commie.


When you compare a country of 300 million people to a country of 5.6 million, the math becomes problematic. For Sanders to accomplish what he wants to accomplish, it would take trillions of dollars and that money will have to come out of the pockets of anyone earning more than $50K a year to the people who are not. We're talking 50% or more for income tax. And that is very problematic.

The point Shuttershock is trying to make isn't bashing people with socialist beliefs, but rather pointing out the hypocrisy of people who favors socialism, but show fiercely capitalistic behavior when their sales are falling.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2016, 21:42 by Minscer »

« Reply #91 on: March 17, 2016, 21:11 »
+4
>Trump:
>He actually wants to build a Wall!  :o

@zero_talent, Bush built Guantanamo, Obama promised to do away with it but did not, so what's the shocker with that "wall", anyway? You don't seem to know the first thing about this country, if you try making "a point" out of that: there are camera-and-drone-enforced fences down there for a long time already (and they date back to Clinton's and Bush-the-Older-One's years).

I'm afraid you missed the whole point. The wall is a symbol. A symbol for alienation, isolation, paranoia. The wall is the opposite of freedom and liberty!
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« Last Edit: March 18, 2016, 06:00 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #92 on: March 17, 2016, 21:56 »
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How can you possibly say an elegantly and intelligently written statement is Trump-like?  Trump wouldn't understand half of the words in there much less their meaning.  Trump likes Twitter because 140 characters is about the limit of his thinking capacity.  Trump writes and speaks like a fourth grader - he doesn't come close to the way Tryingmybest writes.

(Full disclosure - I have no idea who Tryingmybest is other than what they write in these forums)

Well-written? Yes. It's also full of hyperbole, something Trump is very good at.

I don't see your point for continuing to compare him to a 4th grader. Exaggeration doesn't make the argument stronger...it has the opposite effect. He has come this far without the backing of the GOP, the media and pretty much every important organization out there, so he must be doing something right. And if you look at past the the surface, he has done a lot of things right.

It certainly isn't exaggeration.  He speaks like an elementary school child.  Everything is either "tremendous" or involves "winning" or it's "awful" and "losing".  He has no vocabulary that I've seen, aside from those simple words, and playground insults at others.

Don't forget YUGE and TERRIFIC.

If anyone watches The Nightly Show with Larry Wilmore, he has a dead on Donald Trump impersonator who is hilarious!

« Reply #93 on: March 17, 2016, 22:41 »
+1
Good luck to USAmerica

Thanks. We need it!

« Reply #94 on: March 17, 2016, 22:43 »
+3
Palin aspires to talk like a 4th grader, lol.

Yep. And then she fails.

« Reply #95 on: March 18, 2016, 03:22 »
+1
Just be careful what you wish for you may get it (Chinese proverb)  ;D

« Reply #96 on: March 18, 2016, 04:14 »
+5
How can you possibly say an elegantly and intelligently written statement is Trump-like?  Trump wouldn't understand half of the words in there much less their meaning.  Trump likes Twitter because 140 characters is about the limit of his thinking capacity.  Trump writes and speaks like a fourth grader - he doesn't come close to the way Tryingmybest writes.

(Full disclosure - I have no idea who Tryingmybest is other than what they write in these forums)


Well-written? Yes. It's also full of hyperbole, something Trump is very good at.

I don't see your point for continuing to compare him to a 4th grader. Exaggeration doesn't make the argument stronger...it has the opposite effect. He has come this far without the backing of the GOP, the media and pretty much every important organization out there, so he must be doing something right. And if you look at past the the surface, he has done a lot of things right.
It can't be hard for someone worth 4.5 billion to fund themselves.  He tells people he is worth 10 billion but as he seems to exaggerate everything about himself, that's unbelievable.  He has been taking donations, is there a list of his donators and how much they have donated?  According to this, he has loaned himself 17.5 million and might not pay it back http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/politics/Its-Unlikely-Trump-Will-Reimburse-Campaign-Loan-372032972.html
For everything he has done right in the past, if you do your research, you will find all the times when he has made mistakes that have lost other people money.  It isn't that difficult to become rich when you inherit great wealth and don't mind gambling with other peoples money.  I don't see it as admirable, most entrepreneurs lose their own money at some point but the good ones learn the lesson and they don't keep losing their investors money.  Then there's the questions about who Trump has been doing business with.  How anyone that has researched his business past could think he is suitable as president is beyond me.

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« Reply #97 on: March 18, 2016, 04:35 »
+2
I'm from the UK and all my family is from the UK, but last year my brother and his family became US citizens... so they're able to vote for the first time this year. My sister in law is big into her politics and she's campaigning for Bernie this year. She goes on his rallies and holds open house type things. All very exciting! I think he should have somehow incorporated Bert and Ernie from Sesame Street in his marketing campaign. He missed a trick there.

As for Trump, I don't really know enough about the guy to have a fully informed opinion. He does seem a bit like some kind of comedy villain in a pantomime though. Although worryingly... people are cheering when he comes on stage, rather than the expected booing.

 

« Reply #98 on: March 18, 2016, 04:59 »
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I'm from the UK and all my family is from the UK, but last year my brother and his family became US citizens... so they're able to vote for the first time this year. My sister in law is big into her politics and she's campaigning for Bernie this year. She goes on his rallies and holds open house type things. All very exciting! I think he should have somehow incorporated Bert and Ernie from Sesame Street in his marketing campaign. He missed a trick there.

As for Trump, I don't really know enough about the guy to have a fully informed opinion. He does seem a bit like some kind of comedy villain in a pantomime though. Although worryingly... people are cheering when he comes on stage, rather than the expected booing.

 
They don't have pantomime in the US, he would probably still get cheers if he dressed as an ugly sister.  He already has the hair for it :)

« Reply #99 on: March 18, 2016, 05:02 »
+1
Trump has only spent $250,000 odd of his own money so far.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35713168


 

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