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« Reply #150 on: June 29, 2016, 02:57 »
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...And I read what someone wrote that if UK decides to stay in now that they could get better benefits.... No. This will not happen at all. UK already had more than any other member of EU. And even if it is the case, nobody would ever consider UK serious - we want out, uuuuu benefits we want in - we dont like this we want out - uuu benefits - you get the point
Isn't anything better than the possible domino effect caused by a UK exit?  The UK still pays in much more than it gets back from the EU.  If the negotiated exit deal is bad for the UK, public opinion might change.  The Brexit side promised all sorts of things that they probably can't get without crippling the UK economy.  If our parliament rejects the deal, another referendum would seem inevitable.


« Reply #151 on: June 29, 2016, 03:08 »
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...And I read what someone wrote that if UK decides to stay in now that they could get better benefits.... No. This will not happen at all. UK already had more than any other member of EU. And even if it is the case, nobody would ever consider UK serious - we want out, uuuuu benefits we want in - we dont like this we want out - uuu benefits - you get the point
Isn't anything better than the possible domino effect caused by a UK exit?  The UK still pays in much more than it gets back from the EU.  If the negotiated exit deal is bad for the UK, public opinion might change.  The Brexit side promised all sorts of things that they probably can't get without crippling the UK economy.  If our parliament rejects the deal, another referendum would seem inevitable.

Yes it probably will be domino effect  - big time. It already is. But I honestly thing that whoever is saying that UK pays much more than it gets back from EU is incorrect. Just the access to the market is payout itself. Don't get me wrong, UK will still have same access but not under same conditions.
Politically, regardless if you are for or against Brexit, I think that it is safe to agree that parliament has to accept the will of the people. It would be EXTREMELY stupid to have the referendum and for parliament to come out and say - naw, we don't accept these results. We are staying in EU.

Anyway, if I was from UK, I would have voted to stay but that is just my opinion and is not any better or worse from those who say no to EU. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. 

« Reply #152 on: June 29, 2016, 03:32 »
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What is interesting is whether:

1. Scotland could veto Brexit? It might not be very likely, but the Scottish Parliament must represent the will of the people of Scotland. From what I have read, the constitutional status of Scotland is somehow linked to the EU (Scotland Act or something else). Scottish MPs do not need to care at all how the English voted, their job is to represent Scottish interests, so if they find a legal loophole to block Brexit, they would probably do so.

2. If they cannot block Brexit, could they remain in the EU (possibly with N. Ireland and Gibraltar) while England and Wales leave? (I mean without proclaiming independence) It might seem strange at first, but: 1. The Isle of Man is represented in foreign matters by the UK, and it is not part of the EU. Other British Overseas Territories also don't belong to the EU. 2.Greenland belongs to Denmark, but it left the EU in the 1980s while Denmark stayed.
I don't think Scotland can veto Brexit. They would need a Independence referendum which is by no means a certain outcome they would also need to negotiate a deal with the EU no easy task with Spanish concerns about independence movements in their own country  and the small matter of currency. I cant see how they can can be part of the UK and in Europe just not practical.

I read one article the other day. Along the lines it said that "theoretically" it could but this, but that trumps this, this trumps that.... It was very confusing since I am not from there but there were several Legal acts.
Fact is this is pretty much new territory for everyone - legal, economic, etc. Next couple of years should be interesting.

And I read what someone wrote that if UK decides to stay in now that they could get better benefits.... No. This will not happen at all. UK already had more than any other member of EU. And even if it is the case, nobody would ever consider UK serious - we want out, uuuuu benefits we want in - we dont like this we want out - uuu benefits - you get the point
You are right everyone's a constitutional expert now ;-). I think the EU has been a huge benefit for much of mainland Europe but was not right for the UK and you are right I don't think we could ever be "happy" members so maybe better 2 years of uncertainty than a never ending debate.

« Reply #153 on: June 29, 2016, 03:40 »
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There's  nothing wrong with parliament wanting another referendum when we have the actual deal to vote on.  The leave side were talking about having a second referendum if they lost this one.  They even started a petition for a second referendum when it looked like they were going to lose.  As the result was so close, when nobody in the country really knew what the exit deal would be, I think it would be wrong not to have a second referendum on something that is as important as this is.

« Reply #154 on: June 29, 2016, 03:46 »
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In fact there is plenty wealth for everyone in the west to live happy/fulfilling lives if . . .  the corporate class pays its fair share of taxes and forgoes subsidies that come from  the people's pockets. If the privilege class pays its fair share of taxes instead of changing tax laws and hording wealth overseas.  The time honored tradition of demagogues blaming those other people for a nations problems continues in Europe and America.  Trump's says we could Make America Great Again if it wasn't for the Chinese, Mexicans, Europeans treating us badly . . .   Great Britain says if it wasn't for the EU Britain could be Great again.  Always blame someone else for your dysfunction. It seems some of today's leaders have taken a course from Germany's most famous demagogue who blamed the Treaty of Versailles and Jewish Bankers for Germany's dysfunction after World War One.

And of course, De- Industrialization through globalization doesn't help:

Asian millionaires 'top wealth rankings' ---- from the BBC
« Last Edit: June 29, 2016, 04:01 by etienjones »

« Reply #155 on: June 29, 2016, 03:50 »
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There's  nothing wrong with parliament wanting another referendum when we have the actual deal to vote on.  The leave side were talking about having a second referendum if they lost this one.  They even started a petition for a second referendum when it looked like they were going to lose.  As the result was so close, when nobody in the country really knew what the exit deal would be, I think it would be wrong not to have a second referendum on something that is as important as this is.

No nothing wrong with that if it is for right reasons. As you pointed those reasons, that would be OK.

« Reply #156 on: June 29, 2016, 04:00 »
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« Reply #157 on: June 30, 2016, 07:47 »
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my PHD in Mathematics tells me I'm not stupid.

I can bring lots of examples of how a PHD makes people stupid.

Governements of all world will do just the same with or without EU or wathever....but now at least some peasant is happy to think that he's free! ...just until the next thing to fight against....no isis referendum?! ahahah

« Last Edit: June 30, 2016, 07:53 by mojaric »

« Reply #158 on: June 30, 2016, 10:05 »
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from what i just read, those who are from Canada, Europe,etc will have a bigger pay-cheque this month due to the rise of the US $ foreigh exchange due to this issue.
and the UK of course

sorry i spoke too soon.  right after this headline, came the next two...
- millionaires loses lots in UK leaving EU talks
- foreign exchange reverse resurgence with Brexit losing

as always, money talks... the whole world will play Simon Says to the people with money.
only took a couple of days to swing their loses and move talks re UK leaving EU...
isn't it how the cookie crumbles?

and it all happens just as payout day is arriving...
sorry ppl from canada, eu, uk... less money for you !

« Reply #159 on: June 30, 2016, 12:49 »
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I don't like how they say the UK stock market had bounced back when the currency is around 15% down.  They never take that in to account.

« Reply #160 on: June 30, 2016, 13:07 »
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No need to watch Game of Thrones to see beards and boobs running about - it's all kicked off in British politics at the moment with sackings, mutiny, backstabbing, tears, protest marches, racism, people shouting in the street at each other.

Bread and Circuses for the masses.

 

« Reply #161 on: June 30, 2016, 14:24 »
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Who needs Game of thrones when you have the latest British news

« Reply #162 on: June 30, 2016, 23:37 »
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If this is like a divorce that takes 2 years and costs both sides a lot of money, I think there may be a time when we decide it would be better to stay together.  How many divorces go through when the person asking for the divorce is only 52% sure they want one?

Yes, I also think that staying together would be pragmatic. No matter how you look at it, a weakened EU is a very bad thing for the UK, because of all the economic ties. And a weaker UK is not good for other European countries at all. A slowdown in China or a recession in Japan can be felt across the globe as ripples in all developed economies. If the ties are stronger, as in the case of UK/EU, the negative effects will also be stronger. Great Britain is an island geographically, but its economy is not an island, it has so many ties with continental Europe that a divorce may be very painful. Probably more painful to the UK than the EU because of the size and the fact that the banking sector plays a very important role in the British economy.

Except for the English football hooligans, personally I like the Brits very much, I feel very well every time I am in the UK and I would be happy if we could somehow avoid this divorce. Heck, I even don't mind those silly separate taps for cold and hot water in Britain :) And somehow the EU hasn't banned them...
« Last Edit: June 30, 2016, 23:45 by LDV81 »

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« Reply #163 on: July 01, 2016, 00:58 »
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from what i just read, those who are from Canada, Europe,etc will have a bigger pay-cheque this month due to the rise of the US $ foreigh exchange due to this issue.
and the UK of course

sorry i spoke too soon.  right after this headline, came the next two...
- millionaires loses lots in UK leaving EU talks
- foreign exchange reverse resurgence with Brexit losing

as always, money talks... the whole world will play Simon Says to the people with money.
only took a couple of days to swing their loses and move talks re UK leaving EU...
isn't it how the cookie crumbles?

and it all happens just as payout day is arriving...
sorry ppl from canada, eu, uk... less money for you !

It's still more money for the UK people. Not sure about the others. It was 1.5 dollars to the pound the day before brexit, so you'd get 200 for a $300 payment. Now it's down to 1.33, so you'll get 225 for a $300 payment. Give or take. Happy days! Well, for now anyway... the impending apocalypse will wipe the smile off our faces. 

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« Reply #164 on: August 09, 2016, 06:14 »
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I wouldn't be surprised if there was another referendum.

« Reply #165 on: August 09, 2016, 06:54 »
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from what i just read, those who are from Canada, Europe,etc will have a bigger pay-cheque this month due to the rise of the US $ foreigh exchange due to this issue.
and the UK of course

sorry i spoke too soon.  right after this headline, came the next two...
- millionaires loses lots in UK leaving EU talks
- foreign exchange reverse resurgence with Brexit losing

as always, money talks... the whole world will play Simon Says to the people with money.
only took a couple of days to swing their loses and move talks re UK leaving EU...
isn't it how the cookie crumbles?

and it all happens just as payout day is arriving...
sorry ppl from canada, eu, uk... less money for you !

It's still more money for the UK people. Not sure about the others. It was 1.5 dollars to the pound the day before brexit, so you'd get 200 for a $300 payment. Now it's down to 1.33, so you'll get 225 for a $300 payment. Give or take. Happy days! Well, for now anyway... the impending apocalypse will wipe the smile off our faces.

August 9th - 300$=231

No apocalypse in sight!


 

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