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« on: February 07, 2025, 16:42 »
Applies plus 12%, Exports plus 6% - Earnings minus 18%
The use of the images is increasing, the income is decreasing every month. In addition, it has taken more than 6 months since my last pictures were accepted and the communication with the support is really a joke.
Then there is still the promotion with the December AI bonus in there, let's see how long it takes until (if ever) that is paid out.
All in all, Canva has mutated into a complete catastrophe and is at the lowest level of trust with Scop.io and Yayimages.
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« on: February 03, 2025, 16:28 »
Terrible Monday... 3 Camera, 10 AI, 0 Video (about half of a 'normal' Monday)
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« on: February 01, 2025, 11:08 »
looks like people enjoy reading and commenting and following us injustice.
at least we have sales...and want to improve our income.
others are just here to enjoy playing in politics threads. How does putting your sales and rank on the forum every day improve sales and income?
And what's the point of increasing your sales if you spend your time poking around the forum? *wink* This question might well pop into someones head ;-)
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« on: January 24, 2025, 17:44 »
just for fun - i saved a copy naming the file xxx.jpg & ran thru VM & got:
Caption
Large, round breadfruit hanging from a branch, surrounded by lush green leaves, highlights the stunning beauty of tropical flora and the richness of natural vegetation
tags
breadfruit, fruit, tree, green, leaves, nature, tropical, plant, growing, branch, food, exotic, botany, agriculture, flora, leaf, garden, organic, natural, ripe, unripe, close up, detail, texture, freshness, healthy, vegetation, rainforest, jungle, polynesia, caribbean
obviously ' polynesia, caribbean' need to be deleted & Seychelles could have been appended before the run
VM can often identify place, and even specific building Many thanks for the valuable tip - I have already flirted with VM.ai 1 or 2 times and will now give it a try. I think the result is convincing :-)
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« on: January 24, 2025, 09:38 »
Yes, things are picking up, I hope next week will be a really good.
Still at pos 2550, now 164 downloads
Today so far 18 dl, 8 ai, 10 camera Good to see things are picking up somewhere... unfortunately not for me :-) I'm currently at 9DL today and 90 this week (last year same week - 136 on Friday). So far January 25 is at 65% of January 24's level for me - no idea what AS turned here, it was bad for me anyway...
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« on: January 23, 2025, 07:15 »
@cobalt:
I'll keep the workshops in mind, so I could take a break from my actual work :-)
I'm also excited about the People AI images - I'm currently finalising my 6-week Concept and symbol images, then I'll continue with People.
@danielvisuals:
The point definitely goes to you - the image is one of my very early uploads and the title is too simple and I would also do the image itself completely differently today, much brighter and friendlier.
Unfortunately, all the old photo sins are also in the account - I started with textures and surfaces, as I actually come from the field of 3D programming and was (and still am) always looking for textures myself.
Unfortunately, there are too few customers of that kind ;-)
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« on: January 23, 2025, 06:05 »
It is probably even more important to understand what the customer is looking for and why (as you have already indicated a few times). Before I can get to work on my photography skills, I still have 2-3 intensive AI months ahead of me - I have around 4,000 AI people images planned for February and another 2,000 AI videos in March. That would give me enough material to upload for the whole of 2025 and I could get on with other things 
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« on: January 23, 2025, 05:28 »
I had a look at your pictures. I also had a look at the other pictures in the collection.
Lack of sales is not surprising, your files are not competitive. In addition maybe seychelles/Iceland are very specialised and niche markets.
Many of your camera images are underexposed and have no clear composition. A simple 3 day camera workshop could easily fix that.
Maybe something to consider. Or perhaps a nice photo safari somewhere with a good coach teaching image tricks and giving good examples. I'm right there with you - my photography skills are definitely not well developed and I also lack an eye for detail when I have the camera in my hand. I am and will probably remain a technician ;-) A 3-day workshop would be like a holiday - maybe I should just do it. The idea is definitely not a bad one ^^
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« on: January 22, 2025, 19:32 »
@Jo Ann: First of all, that doesn't come across as rude at all, you don't have to worry about that :-) I also believe that the AI image market is completely oversaturated and there is definitely more than customers can buy. I expect AI image sales to decline a little further, but AI images will not disappear completely - they are now an integral part of the big picture. At least until agencies can generate AI images on the fly in response to a customer request. You can see that real photos generate much more stable sales, even over a longer period of time, and those who have good photos don't really need to worry so much - sure, AI images have taken a share of the market, but the share is already falling and real photos of real places and events will always be needed. If only to feed the AIs with current trends, because you can't successfully feed an AI with images that it has generated itself, if you do something like that, it leads to the AI washing out and the results getting worse. I've currently ramped up the production a little (through more automation) and currently have around 1,600 accepted images per month - if that's not enough, I'll look for a new corner. And as stock is only a part-time job for me, I can consider myself lucky - the last 6 years of stock have enabled me to do some travelling - I was able to go on a safari, see Iceland and was in the Seychelles from the income, surprisingly the pictures from there hardly sell at all. If I find out anything, I'll let you all know
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« on: January 22, 2025, 17:35 »
I agree with you - there should be a balance, currently it is not in balance after the Exlude AI, but it will regulate itself. The problem with my photos is probably that most of them are rather boring and past the customer, I know that too - and I don't photograph people as a matter of principle (because I don't like people) ;-) To your question about my People AI images - they are currently running let's say mediocrely, 6 of my top 20 AI images have something to do with people, the rest are more topic-related concept images (like green footprint and such topics). Which is a sobering realization for me: -> 13,500 new files accepted in one year wasn't enough to boost my downloads -> according to my calculations, I would have needed about 16,000 new files in 2024 just to keep my downloads, in 2025 it will probably have to be between 20,000 and 25,000 new files - that's really hard to do, you can't beat the flood of AI image farms But luckily my Canon R8 + 24-105 F4.0 has just arrived - I can now take decent photos again
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« on: January 22, 2025, 16:27 »
@cobalt: That looks very good after all - 8 days in the plus is good! Unfortunately, it looks the other way around for me... - in January 25 I had 322 DL so far - in January 24 (on the same day) I had 480 DL The curve shows a steady downward trend (with some ups and downs), although I have uploaded like never before. In 2024 I started with 35,675 files and on 12/31/2024 there were 49,052 - of which about 3,000 photos, 2,500 videos (AI and real mixed), 9,000 AI images. I know my photos aren't that good, I'm just not a photographer, but at least with AI images I know what I'm doing to some extent, but somehow it's not going up. The only area where I see a slight increase is videos. Overall, there have been three major changes in the last 12 months, which are probably due to changes in the search: -> there was a change on March 30, from then on a whole lot of my bestsellers disappeared into nothingness from one day to the next -> on October 8, some of these images suddenly reappeared in the sales -> at the beginning of January 25, the AI images were switched off from the customer search for 3 1/2 days (as a default state), which had a lasting effect on the ranking of some images For example, if you search for this exclude AI on the German AS site for dog or cat, only 8-10 of the first 100 images are AI (previously these were 30-40 of the first 100) - this is not intended as a rating, just an observation. So it's quite clear to see that AI is no longer so prominent and if you were to ask me off the record, that was exactly the plan of the 3 1/2 day exclusion of AI images - because if we are honest with ourselves, we all know that the interest of the platform operator is solely the customers and not the providers
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« on: January 15, 2025, 19:14 »
@RalfLiebhold:
Thanks for making me smile ;-)
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« on: January 15, 2025, 10:32 »
Hello Raul, Thank you for the information about the 2025 bonus program - it's great that it's taking place again! In my case it was close this year with 7,175 countable downloads (6,497 images / 226 videos*3) - lucky me Thanks, Michael
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« on: January 11, 2025, 13:29 »
I cannot currently imagine that this exclusion is an intentional setting, especially as all the filter settings are currently open by default.
It makes no economic sense to first bring more than 200 million AI images / AI videos onto the platform and then withhold them from paying customers, because let's be honest - most customers don't use these filters.
And yes, you can already see this default setting in fewer sales at the moment - I myself have around 30k photos and 15k AI images in my portfolio with an account in its 8th year.
I'm curious to see whether an official will perhaps comment on this in the Adobe Discord, where the topic is already being widely discussed.
Let's see...
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« on: January 09, 2025, 08:18 »
Yes, but can photos after editing with DxO PhotoLab or Pure Raw be checked with any tools to see if it leaves any traces after using the Ai tool? Same with Topaz Ai. You can recognise from the image itself (with a certain degree of certainty) whether it was a generative AI that created the image or not. There are algorithms that search for typical artefacts in the image that result from the use of generative AI. This is therefore technically possible even without looking at Exif data or embedded watermarks - only the agency itself knows whether an agency actively uses this. The trace is therefore the image itself or the specific arrangement of certain structures. And yes, in order to recognise this via the pixels, an AI is used that is trained to distinguish between a photo and an AI image - we have probably all experienced this before, where a real photo was rejected because it was supposedly taken with AI. In these cases, the recognition AI was simply wrong Yes, but Sora creates images from scratch from other images and there is a greater risk here. I'm more interested in the safety of photos and videos improved using Ai tools. Yes, that's right and something very similar happens when you denoise with generative AI. Let me try to describe the process (very simplified) for denoising: -> the process takes a block of 32x32 pixels with image noise from the original and generates a block as similar as possible without image noise and adds it there, then it continues with the next block in the original image, etc. The resulting image is therefore completely newly generated and may well contain deviations from the original (see example additional stars in the sky) - regardless of whether we denoise, sharpen or scale with these tools, the technology is always exactly the same, only the training data differs.
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« on: January 09, 2025, 05:34 »
So you wouldn't even trust RAW file denoising programs because of their Ai tools? Like DxO PhotoLab or Pure Raw. They are the leaders and they boast that they have databases of billions of photos. If you ask me privately, I generally only believe what I can verify - but as a mathematician, that's my own personal quirk ^^ Basically, I see every generative AI (trained with billions of images) as a potential legal problem in the future, but I'm also very cautious. The results of these generative AI algorithms are impressive and certainly usable, in some cases (I would not denoise a night sky with stars with a generative AI, then I have some new stars in the sky afterwards and with luck also a few extra comets ;-) At the moment, everything is unclear from a legal point of view (for example, it is not at all clear where Sora got all the videos for their training) - committing to something here is currently on shaky ground.
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« on: January 08, 2025, 17:33 »
Yes, I know it's worth being skeptical. Okay, but what will it change if, years later, it turns out that a well-known company that uses Ai tools for image scaling and enhancement was illegally using a photo database?
Would we authors also be complicit with stock agencies? After all, we would no longer remove improved photos or videos using Ai tools from our portfolio, which sell to customers, etc. By purchasing the Ai utility program, we should be released from liability. That's how I understand it. What is your opinion? It is currently very difficult or even impossible to answer this question. On the one hand, there are currently numerous lawsuits in court around the world concerning the use of images for AI training, some of which are being brought by artists, photographers, graphic designers, etc., because the big companies simply download the entire Internet using web crawlers and use it as training data - but the problem has already been discussed extensively here. Then there is the problem of the different regions, for example the EU has much stricter regulations than the USA, so does the company from the USA have to comply with the stricter rules for the EU customer of the software or not? Good question... What happens now, if it turns out in the court cases (which I don't believe) that the companies are really ordered to use only copyright-free images in training and to prove this, would basically all images processed with AI tools (which were trained with unauthorised images/videos) not be legally flawless in the first place. In this case, the software customer would then have to claim the corresponding costs from the software provider (who used unauthorised data) - what a mess that would be, even if it were the right way And to avoid such problems with my software, I don't use such tools, even if you can get some of them for free on the net and integrate them into commercial products. Just because you can do it and it's possible doesn't mean you should do it
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« on: January 08, 2025, 11:23 »
So why wouldn't Topaz Ai also legally license the photos to Ai. This company is big and has a million users. A lot of people are making money from these Ai tools, but istock is still not clear about these Ai tools.
I will be happy to test these Ashampoo programs, they are also interesting. The difference is in the way the AIs are used, but of course you can't see that from the outside. Self-learned generative AI models require vast amounts of images to achieve good results with such a system, and by that I mean ranges of several hundred million images as a lower limit. The AI system used in Zoom #2 pro is a non-generative system, which takes the information exclusively from the current image to be scaled (+ training images that can be specified additionally). This means that no large training volumes are required, but no new details are generated into the images. Unfortunately, the topic is very complex and you need a lot of basic knowledge if you want to make well-founded statements here. I did not want to claim that the various providers have not all acquired the training images legally, but you should at least remain sceptical. The large image datasets that can be acquired from the relevant companies with 4-6 billion images cost 2-3 digit million sums - only the really big ones can afford such datasets... Actually, I just wanted to say: Remain sceptical - but I probably didn't manage that very well ;-)
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« on: January 08, 2025, 09:51 »
Those of your recommended scaling programs also ashampoo zoom and zoom pro have Ai. That is correct, but the training data used in Zoom #2 Pro and Ashampoo Zoom #2 are only self made images. How do I know that? How do I best express this... I developed the Zoom #2 programme, so I can say with certainty that no data with third-party copyright was used.
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« on: January 05, 2025, 17:29 »
Using an AI tool for sharpening certainly does not alter a picture in a way that you lose copyright, strictly speaking or otherwise.
That no pixel of the original image may be retained is hardly an argument, because that if true of a plethora of filters or other modification.
If you apply a filter to a photo, so that it looks like an impressionist painting with Photoshop, no pixel is the same either. Even if you just make a picture darker or brighter or change the colour temperature, no pixel may be exactly the same afterwards, if you change it enough. But you still have the copyright. The rights problem (which has not yet been finally clarified) also arises from the question of where the training data comes from. As soon as an image has been processed with a generative AI algorithm and not all of the image rights (without exception) of the training data are held by the creator of the software, this is a potential problem. If a purely mathematical algorithm is used, no training data is required and the question of rights does not even arise. I don't want to argue against you here, I just want to sensitise users to the problem. As I create image editing software myself (also with AI algorithms) and sell it, I deal with this problem almost every day, always ensuring that the rights issue is fully addressed for my users
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« on: January 05, 2025, 11:02 »
Maybe strip the meta or exif data before submitting. Removing the corresponding metadata (Exif tag Software used) could work. Here is a screenshot of our own Zoom software where you can see that Topaz leaves an entry that is possibly recognised by IStock and is considered AI-generated. In fact, this is technically correct, because the AI system is very similar to a Ki image generator. In the end, not a single original pixel of your photo is retained - the image is generated block by block in a different resolution/de-noised/business. Strictly speaking, it is no longer your image, but a completely generated image to which you no longer have the rights. If you want to avoid such problems, you would have to avoid scaling/de-noising/sharpening programmes with generative AI and rely on other algorithms. Examples of such scaling programmes with non-generative AIs would be Zoom #2 professional or Photozoom #8 and in the area of denoising, Neat Image or Denoise #5 professional come to mind.
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« on: December 28, 2024, 17:43 »
Yes, that's right - I assume that the dataset was earnings, I had no luck with Deposit's support, they didn't express themselves very precisely, but didn't deny it either...
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« on: December 28, 2024, 15:52 »
@Stoker2014:
I had a dataset earning at Deposit as "kundenspezifischer Verkauf" (sorry for the german text here) on August, 2nd 2024.
Maybe you want to check your earnings stats too, it should be there...
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« on: December 26, 2024, 07:06 »
Hello everyone, Today (26.12.2024) the AI/ML income booked on 19.12.2024 was reduced from $79.66 to $15.26 on my 123rf account. (until yesterday 25.12.2024 it still read $79.66, so suddenly $64,40 are missing)Have a look and see if something was taken away from you for Christmas... I would say that they are currently correcting the annual figures and needed something on the balance sheet. I have already written to 123rf support, but I have no hope that this will do any good. (I've been waiting for image reviews since February 24 and nothing has happened) Merry Christmas
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« on: December 25, 2024, 07:11 »
Everything looks "kinda" normal for me on the map of the last 20 sales from yesterday and today - 60% Europe / 20% US/NA / 20% Asi
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