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« Reply #50 on: July 22, 2013, 05:34 »
-2
Spam is not a breach of security, what a load of tosh. And if you question the security of Symbiostock, you question the security of WordPress.

Seriously, you havent even set up a site with Symbiostock, so how can you say all these things? If Symbiostock is not secure I challenge you to email part of the code to Leo that you think is a vulnerability.

No I have not set up a symbiostock site.

Consider me as the guy with the general, not so informed view.
The guy who brings perspective, even experience but not knowledge of details.
You are also free to give me a lot of minuses. You dont have to listen. I can be all wrong and overreacting.


« Reply #51 on: July 22, 2013, 06:02 »
+1
If you did set up your own site and then queried things in detail - because you had found out for yourself exactly what happens I feel your criticism would have a lot more weight.  At the moment I feel your negative concerns are too abstract.   
 
Anyone who is code proficient can check it out and see exactly what has been done, most of us are not capable of doing this but if we were concerned we could pay someone else to do it for us as it would be difficult to hide something from anyone who knew what they were looking at/for

So do I think Symbiostock is a Con?   No!


EmberMike

« Reply #52 on: July 22, 2013, 06:06 »
+4
No.
1-2 % is totally unacceptable in a digital world.
and worse in interdependant networks.
also, it should not have been published. the file should just have been sent, apologized for an bonused.

you are not able to get back to the customers, when first there are many.

Actually despite the initial problem, getting back to the customer quickly did more than resolve the issue. Here's the email I got from him afterwards:

Quote
Thank you for all your support, this is the way to have a forever customer!

As for the security and stability of Symbiostock, in my case it is likely a plugin that is interfering with the transactions. So not really a Symbiostock issue at all.

Edit: Confirmed. It was a plugin that was causing this issue. Not a Symbiostock issue.

Nor is spam registration, which is an extremely common WordPress issue and there are numerous ways to deal with it. As already stated, the issues you present with Symbiostock are largely issues that exist throughout the WordPress community, and yet not many people would suggest that WordPress is unfit for use.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2013, 06:25 by EmberMike »

« Reply #53 on: July 22, 2013, 06:27 »
+3
http://www.microstockgroup.com/symbiostock-general/spam-registrations/msg331621/?topicseen#new

http://www.microstockgroup.com/symbiostock-technical-support/just-had-a-sale-buyer-can%27t-download-file-help!/msg331889/?topicseen#new


These are regular small hurdles in a development like this. SYS has smaller and lot less of those then most projects I'v seen. What an uneducated moronic thread.


herein lies the real danger.
First its not a minor thing for the customer. Imagine if it was you.

And next, the real point.
A chain is not stronger than the weakest link.
By having such a calamity, like a shop that has not tested the sales funktions, now undermines ALL OF YOUR SHOPS since you are interconnected.
The damage is manyfold and multiplied.
This customer remembers both the shop, and the symbio network name, and has lost trust in both.'

So this little small error, from one of the members has cost you all.

As well as you can benifit from eachother the opposite can also happen.
And this was a minor thing, that was soone corrected.
But what if something major happens, such as a real nigerian scam among you.
I mentioned it before. It was not taken seroulsly.
I might no comprehend the symbio idea fully, and certainly not the details.
But do you comprehend what synergy in networks can do?

Someone mentioned exponentially growing curves.


So what's your point, have you ever seen a system free of scam? This is a kindergarten debate. What you see is the regular workings of new a market in the making. This system is an infant, and already works almost like an adult, which is brilliant. One of the best projects I'v seen in years, and some ppl try to make this look like horror story... sour grapes or what? just buzz off ppl.


I have 3 points.
1... It would not take much effort to make the system much better so it actually is, what you thought it should be.
2... You are extremely vulnerable. You are likely to be exploited by someone. Maybe at best your work has been in vain. Im not sure, but im worried.
3...Nothing is ever a sandbox for ever, people listen ad watch. Happy hours only lasts until someone sees it can be moneyterized. You should make sure it is you who earn the money on your work..


1... dribble you can always say. "it could be better, uh-oh, utopia!"
2... care to explain any of this nonsense, like how I'm 'extremely vulnerable'? could be exploited, could be this, clould be that, could be anything, the wonderful world of 'could be'-s
3... Who said it's still in the sandbox? It's a brand new thing constantly being improved.

you are spamming.

« Reply #54 on: July 22, 2013, 06:29 »
+1
you are spamming.

Well said, topol.

« Reply #55 on: July 22, 2013, 06:31 »
+1
No.
1-2 % is totally unacceptable in a digital world.
and worse in interdependant networks.
also, it should not have been published. the file should just have been sent, apologized for an bonused.

you are not able to get back to the customers, when first there are many.

Actually despite the initial problem, getting back to the customer quickly did more than resolve the issue. Here's the email I got from him afterwards:

Quote
Thank you for all your support, this is the way to have a forever customer!

As for the security and stability of Symbiostock, in my case it is likely a plugin that is interfering with the transactions. So not really a Symbiostock issue at all.

Edit: Confirmed. It was a plugin that was causing this issue. Not a Symbiostock issue.

Nor is spam registration, which is an extremely common WordPress issue and there are numerous ways to deal with it. As already stated, the issues you present with Symbiostock are largely issues that exist throughout the WordPress community, and yet not many people would suggest that WordPress is unfit for use.


One single sale hcikup and some minor spam issue up to now, this is actually a very good track record. Some people seem to have emotional issues with SYS... weird.

« Reply #56 on: July 22, 2013, 06:44 »
+1

Actually despite the initial problem, getting back to the customer quickly did more than resolve the issue. Here's the email I got from him afterwards:

Quote
Thank you for all your support, this is the way to have a forever customer!


Actually this goes with my experience of dealing with customers when the IT systems that we support go wrong. When a problem occurs, we do all the necessary non-IT steps like talking to the customer, explaining the problem and ensuring that we fix the wrong that was done. Many times we also do a followup a few days/weeks down the line to see if the customer has faced any other issues. This has ensured that the customer does not lose trust in us.

« Reply #57 on: July 22, 2013, 07:01 »
-8
you really dont want to listen.
 thats fine, its up to you.

I wont bother you anymore.
And yes I was rude and it was terrible what I said.
Goodbye and have a nice day.

« Reply #58 on: July 22, 2013, 07:02 »
+5


No I have not set up a symbiostock site.

Consider me as the guy with the general, not so informed view.
The guy who brings perspective, even experience but not knowledge of details.
You are also free to give me a lot of minuses. You dont have to listen. I can be all wrong and overreacting.

No I will consider you the guy who has an occasional good idea but is so insistant on seeing the bad parts of the project  that everyone just starts to ignore them. 

I have to ask....why Bother?  If you don't have a site, and will likely never have a site, Why spend all this time and effort when you admit you don't have the knowledge to back up your ideas and claims.

Ron

« Reply #59 on: July 22, 2013, 07:42 »
+2
Spam is not a breach of security, what a load of tosh. And if you question the security of Symbiostock, you question the security of WordPress.

Seriously, you havent even set up a site with Symbiostock, so how can you say all these things? If Symbiostock is not secure I challenge you to email part of the code to Leo that you think is a vulnerability.

No I have not set up a symbiostock site.

Consider me as the guy with the general, not so informed view.
The guy who brings perspective, even experience but not knowledge of details.
You are also free to give me a lot of minuses. You dont have to listen. I can be all wrong and overreacting.
I didnt give you a minus.

Jens, I challenge you to email part of the code to Leo that you think is a vulnerability.

Thats all.

« Reply #60 on: July 22, 2013, 09:00 »
0
And if you question the security of Symbiostock, you question the security of WordPress.

I think that is a valid concern. My website was hacked a few weeks ago, and they probably got in through Wordpress. I'm not sure if there is a way to guarantee protection from any malicious intent, but Wordpress may be an easier target for people that know how to do these things. So, I think it is definitely something to think about.

Ron

« Reply #61 on: July 22, 2013, 09:04 »
+1
And if you question the security of Symbiostock, you question the security of WordPress.

I think that is a valid concern. My website was hacked a few weeks ago, and they probably got in through Wordpress. I'm not sure if there is a way to guarantee protection from any malicious intent, but Wordpress may be an easier target for people that know how to do these things. So, I think it is definitely something to think about.
Fair enough, but you cant pin that on Leo or Symbiostock. If some people have concerns with the security of WP, then they need to go to the WP boards or contact WP directly

« Reply #62 on: July 22, 2013, 09:21 »
0
And if you question the security of Symbiostock, you question the security of WordPress.

I think that is a valid concern. My website was hacked a few weeks ago, and they probably got in through Wordpress. I'm not sure if there is a way to guarantee protection from any malicious intent, but Wordpress may be an easier target for people that know how to do these things. So, I think it is definitely something to think about.
Fair enough, but you cant pin that on Leo or Symbiostock. If some people have concerns with the security of WP, then they need to go to the WP boards or contact WP directly

If Security of WP is an issue then maybe SYS should be built on a different platform?

I suspect ( though I am likely wrong) that WP itself is fairly secure, but as soon as you start adding multiple plug-ins any security disappears. 

« Reply #63 on: July 22, 2013, 09:24 »
0
And if you question the security of Symbiostock, you question the security of WordPress.

I think that is a valid concern. My website was hacked a few weeks ago, and they probably got in through Wordpress. I'm not sure if there is a way to guarantee protection from any malicious intent, but Wordpress may be an easier target for people that know how to do these things. So, I think it is definitely something to think about.
Fair enough, but you cant pin that on Leo or Symbiostock. If some people have concerns with the security of WP, then they need to go to the WP boards or contact WP directly


I think its a valid concern, no matter where the issue lies. I dont think anyone is pointing fingers (except Jens) but a better question would be...what can be done to tighten security on our sites? Has any code been already added into the SY theme to counteract the security issues?


Quote
If Security of WP is an issue then maybe SYS should be built on a different platform?


Another good question.




« Reply #64 on: July 22, 2013, 09:44 »
+2
Is WP notoriously unsafe?  (I never heard that, and I think it wouldn't be this popular if it was) If it isn't the debate is pointless: even pentagon gets hacked again and again, banks' systems get hacked almost every day. Safety only exists in your dreams, move on.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2013, 10:18 by topol »

Ron

« Reply #65 on: July 22, 2013, 09:45 »
0
All security ends when someone uses qwerty as their password, should be blame SYS or WP for that?

Ok, is there is security problem with Symbistock or WP or not? Is Symbiostock easily hacked?

Because if their is a security issue with Symbiostock then I have to apologise to Jens.


Ron

« Reply #66 on: July 22, 2013, 09:46 »
+1
Is WP notoriously unsafe?  (I never heard that, and I don't think it wouldn't be this popular if it was) If it isn't the debate is pointless: even pentagon gets hacked again and again, banks' systems get hacked almost every day. Safety only exists in your dreams, move on.
Exactly

« Reply #67 on: July 22, 2013, 09:54 »
0
 Blog post on how to secure Wordpress...and these tips apply to most on-line sites. 

http://moz.com/blog/the-definitive-guide-to-wordpress-security

A quick search makes me stand by my statement that WP is secure, but when adding plug-ins etc it becomes less so.

farbled

« Reply #68 on: July 22, 2013, 10:10 »
+5
Out of 70+ sales only one had issue. That is less than 2%. Is it not good enough?
Best part is that we are able to get back to our customers quickly and resolve the issue.

No.
1-2 % is totally unacceptable in a digital world.
and worse in interdependant networks.
also, it should not have been published. the file should just have been sent, apologized for an bonused.

you are not able to get back to the customers, when first there are many.

I like this, I thought you knew a lot about software development?

I'm sorry, I have been following these threads carefully but I had to chip in with my 2 cents. You seem very alarmist for what is a crowd-sourced concept that has been coming together wonderfully. I have never, ever found a piece of bug free software in it's first iteration from any company. That's what patches are for. :)

The failure of a customer to download shows just how easy it is to turn something negative into a positive for a small business. The seller was able to jump on it and solve the issue quickly. Your assumption that the customer will not be back is just that, an assumption. A large company might not have gotten back to the customer in days (if at all). We've all had experiences like that.

Spam is a non-issue. Show me something spam free and I'll show you a program that deletes valid emails as well.

You may be right that we're over-protective but let me say that we (if you read the thread carefully) have no problem with the questions, just the incredibly thoughtless and rude way they've been presented. A con? really? It's like asking why someone's child is so ugly?

Ahh, Monday morning starting with a rant. :) Time for coffee....
« Last Edit: July 22, 2013, 10:35 by farbled »

EmberMike

« Reply #69 on: July 22, 2013, 11:18 »
+4
...You may be right that we're over-protective...

I get the idea that maybe we're fiercely loyal to Symbiostock because we all invested something in it (time, money, etc). But really I have no illusions about what it is and how good it is. Believe me, last night when I couldn't get a test sale to go through, I was cursing Symbiostock under my breath. But as is often the case with WordPress, it was an external plugin that was to blame and not the theme.

I think we're all open to the idea that there may be security issues or flaws with Symbiostock. We're just not open to completely unwarranted criticism and accusations of insecurity that are completely without merit. Especially when it has been explained numerous times throughout this discussion why all of these suggested security and stability issues aren't really issues at all, and yet they keep coming back up.

That's the real frustration, when you explain to someone why something isn't a problem, and then they just choose to continue believing otherwise.

Ron

« Reply #70 on: July 22, 2013, 11:24 »
0
...You may be right that we're over-protective...

I get the idea that maybe we're fiercely loyal to Symbiostock because we all invested something in it (time, money, etc). But really I have no illusions about what it is and how good it is. Believe me, last night when I couldn't get a test sale to go through, I was cursing Symbiostock under my breath. But as is often the case with WordPress, it was an external plugin that was to blame and not the theme.

I think we're all open to the idea that there may be security issues or flaws with Symbiostock. We're just not open to completely unwarranted criticism and accusations of insecurity that are completely without merit. Especially when it has been explained numerous times throughout this discussion why all of these suggested security and stability issues aren't really issues at all, and yet they keep coming back up.

That's the real frustration, when you explain to someone why something isn't a problem, and then they just choose to continue believing otherwise.
Thats my idea as well. It was mentioned we dont listen, but I was convinced of the opposite as well.

« Reply #71 on: July 22, 2013, 11:27 »
0
You may be right that we're over-protective but let me say that we (if you read the thread carefully) have no problem with the questions, just the incredibly thoughtless and rude way they've been presented. A con? really? It's like asking why someone's child is so ugly?

+1

« Reply #72 on: July 22, 2013, 11:47 »
+2
http://www.microstockgroup.com/symbiostock-general/spam-registrations/msg331621/?topicseen#new

http://www.microstockgroup.com/symbiostock-technical-support/just-had-a-sale-buyer-can%27t-download-file-help!/msg331889/?topicseen#new


These are regular small hurdles in a development like this. SYS has smaller and lot less of those then most projects I'v seen. What an uneducated moronic thread.


herein lies the real danger.
First its not a minor thing for the customer. Imagine if it was you.

And next, the real point.
A chain is not stronger than the weakest link.
By having such a calamity, like a shop that has not tested the sales funktions, now undermines ALL OF YOUR SHOPS since you are interconnected.
The damage is manyfold and multiplied.
This customer remembers both the shop, and the symbio network name, and has lost trust in both.'

So this little small error, from one of the members has cost you all.

As well as you can benifit from eachother the opposite can also happen.
And this was a minor thing, that was soone corrected.
But what if something major happens, such as a real nigerian scam among you.
I mentioned it before. It was not taken seroulsly.
I might no comprehend the symbio idea fully, and certainly not the details.
But do you comprehend what synergy in networks can do?

Someone mentioned exponentially growing curves.


you're completely ignorant of the history of sym's development. you blow up a minor problem to declare the entire system to be broken.  that's a troll spewing, not the constructive criticism that you claim to be dispensing from on high.

the customer will get their download. failure of a link to a download is NOT a major security breach, and symbiostock will continue to evolve. 

and what does a Nigerian scam possibly have to do with a photo site?  just more trollspeak to * the process since you don't have any real facts  to make your case.  and what authority should we place in an anonymous poster who doesn't give any liks to their own work?

quailrunphoto

« Reply #73 on: July 22, 2013, 12:01 »
+7
Just my opinion:

I believe that JPSDK has accomplished his goal of getting everyone upset.

For me this thread does not enhance my day and takes time about having fun with Symbiostock.  So I am dropping this thread.

Unless you enjoy talking to a brick wall, I would recommend you do the same.

David

« Reply #74 on: July 22, 2013, 12:38 »
0
Just my opinion:

I believe that JPSDK has accomplished his goal of getting everyone upset.

For me this thread does not enhance my day and takes time about having fun with Symbiostock.  So I am dropping this thread.

Unless you enjoy talking to a brick wall, I would recommend you do the same.

David


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