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« Reply #50 on: April 15, 2021, 22:24 »
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Leremy, is Canva also offering extended license for unlimited sales, so buyers can resell images and earn money from them while artist gets peanuts? I don't think so.


« Reply #51 on: April 15, 2021, 22:32 »
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I'll just pass by the "it's a new set of customers" contention as I don't have any data beyond the number of times I have heard that and the number of times it's been the way things worked out (lots & zero)

But please take a quick look at what a terrible lottery system the scheme Mat described sets up for contributors. For Adobe, it's all great - they get their 67% of the total subscription money regardless of when or how many downloads are made. They have certainty and predictability.

Contributors on the other hand have a system where what you make for a given number of downloads is a total crapshoot depending on what day the downloads are made. This is truly despicable.

These numbers are all completely hypothetical for a week of downloads and two imaginary contributors, M and H (miserable and happy?). Both contributors make the same number of downloads for the week but M has $24 and H has $72

As a contributor, you may well see wild swings in income for the same level of salability or quality or whatever you want to call it.


« Reply #52 on: April 15, 2021, 23:09 »
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Leremy, is Canva also offering extended license for unlimited sales, so buyers can resell images and earn money from them while artist gets peanuts? I don't think so.

I thought resell of images wasn't allowed for either scheme - but sales of posters or mugs or whatever is for one of them.

I don't really understand how these are all "new" buyers, maybe there will be a few new people in an organization brought on board with unlimited, but all the people in that organization that used to be buying images other ways aren't going to keep buying them that way when the organization has a buffet available.

It seems most of the "new customers" are existing customers of other plans or other sites - so bringing them on board to this plan is good for Adobe, and fine as far as I am concerned if they come from Getty or SS, but otherwise not so useful for contributors.

Not sure what we as contributors can do about this trend or this specific scheme - other than only do low to no cost shoots or just get into another line of work.

I'd love to have my income increase under this scheme, but I am pretty skeptical at this point. I mean - when was the last time something "exciting" really was exciting?

It would be nice to have them reported as their own thing instead of lumping them in with "custom"

« Reply #53 on: April 15, 2021, 23:27 »
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Matt,
Seeing as we already get sales listed as Custom shouldnt these be called something else in the spirit if true transparency?

I had that same thought.

Right now, I like seeing those "Custom" sales, because they're almost always higher and I understand what they are.

Once they get mixed up with something else, it probably won't be nearly as clear.

Mat, could you ask for those sales to be identified to us as something like "Corporate" or "Pro" or something else distinctive so we can continue to understand what we're being paid for?
« Last Edit: April 15, 2021, 23:37 by marthamarks »

« Reply #54 on: April 15, 2021, 23:30 »
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I was just wondering 

Could Dreamstime turn out to be the Next Big Thing???

Even if they were, there isn't a great history with Big Things.

As they say in New Orleans: "True dat!"

« Reply #55 on: April 15, 2021, 23:30 »
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Microstock is no longer a viable professional option for 99% of contributors. If you live in a cheap country it might work for you a little longer but this has been as a business has been a loosing proposition for a long time.

If you do it as a hobby I also think micro is not a good proposition because it limits you creatively a lot. Somehow you begin to pump content that many times is absolutely worthless from a creative point of view although it might rack in the dollars for the corporations.

Think wisely if you think a new lens every year is worth to drain your inspiration and creativity to the bottom.

« Reply #56 on: April 15, 2021, 23:34 »
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So, Mat Hayward, I wish Adobe can prove many of us wrong, and show us our improved earnings in near future :)

I think all of us hope for that too!

You can tell many of us have been burned too many times by "exciting news" from the corporations that, at least in theory, are supposed to represent us.

« Reply #57 on: April 15, 2021, 23:53 »
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Thanks everyone for your candid feedback and questions. Please know that many hours have been spent at Adobe to explore and understand the potential impact and benefits to both business clients and Contributors in introducing these offers.
 
To answer the question about what unlimited really means it means there is no monthly cap on number of downloads. While we do not anticipate abuse due to the limited availability of these plans, our team will be closely monitoring customer behavior to ensure it remains in the best interest of all parties involved.
 
Theres a nuance here that I want to make a bit more clear, and that is: the existing customer base for stock isnt going anywhere. These new offers are primarily aimed at equipping more users in SMB and enterprise organizations with access to creative tools and stock content users who typically arent currently licensing stock. We are leveraging the massive base of customers loyal to Adobe around the world to continue growing the marketplace. This benefits contributors, customers, and Adobe Stock.
 
Adobe needs to be responsive to market changes, while balancing the needs of creative Contributors, maximizing your value and payouts, too.

Regarding the questions about royalty calculations, every day, we generate an overall earnings pool equal to 33% of our total Adobe Stock CCE Pro revenue for the day. We then allocate these earnings to contributors based on the number of downloads. As a reminder, for customers taking advantage of the first year free offer, Adobe Stock is absorbing this cost. The revenue they would be paying outside of the promo offer is added into the overall earnings pool.

To clarify the difference in licenses. Pro Edition for Enterprise customers (CCE) downloads are provided an Extended license and Pro Edition for Teams (CCT) are provided an Enhanced license. Please review the links provided in the FAQ for additional information about the license agreements. https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/contributor-faq-for-cct-cce-pro-edition-.html

I am traveling tomorrow for a family matter but will do my best to check in when I can. We truly appreciate your feedback and value your contribution to Adobe Stock.

Thank you,

Mat Hayward

Seriously these enterprize customers are usually the richest but they need to have our hard work at next to nothing prices c'mon Adobe.  Why is it the image producers never get a say in this?  Our only choice is to suck it up or walk!!

"While we do not anticipate abuse due to the limited availability of these plans, our team will be closely monitoring customer behavior to ensure it remains in the best interest of all parties involved."

Of course it will end up being abused and to assume otherwise is an exercise in naivety

« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2021, 23:54 »
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Whenever a stock agency makes some change in favor of their customers and themselves while kicking their contributors with feet I am not surprised. Customers are valued, contributors are not. There are too many of us. We are easily replacable, there is an over-supply of us. Even if thousands pull a port from an agency, it doesn't hurt them.

So I thought nothing could shock me anymore. However, this move really surprised me, because Adobe is primary a softwear producer and secondly a stock agency. (Or is this shifting?) Did Adobe forget that their contributors - artists and photographers - are also their customers who use their products? Is making these deals to some of your customers really worth pissing of many other customers? There are good alternatives to photoshop and lightroom after all.  ???
« Last Edit: April 15, 2021, 23:59 by Firn »

« Reply #59 on: April 16, 2021, 02:32 »
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The 33% earning of total revenue is a good thing to hear, at least. So, I felt positive with this.

A fixed percent of total revenue is important as it is very different from giving you $0.38 or $0.10 per download.

Almost all agencies swallow up the remaining unused sub... I think this is the most unfair practice because many buyers did not used up all the subscription downloads. So, even if they promise you 50%, it is more likely 10% only. They also have the motivation to sell less subs so they can eat up all the unused subs. What make you think they screw up the search and accept rubbish to their sites? To make it harder for subscriber to download more. So, a fixed percentage of total revenue is better.

Here is my prediction. All agencies will follow this UNLIMITED THINGS very soon. Agencies who stubbornly stick with the old plan will be gone. Microstock will become something like Netflix or Spotify. Subscription will be very cheap and offer unlimited downloads. People who used to steal our stuffs from pirated sites will soon become a customer (which is a good thing). When you thought they would simply abuse by downloading all the assets, you will find that they won't simply because they are so cheap and easily accessible now. It will become a norm for every designers to have an access to these unlimited subscription sites. Pirated sites will have less and less downloads. Then you will be wondering, why they don't download all your stuffs since they have unlimited access? Why? Simply because is a waste of time and space. Same goes to yourself for not watching all the movies in Netflix, or listen to all the songs on Spotify, or download and play all the games at your phone.

All and all, this industry landscape is changing. I am very sure many old-timers will give up, while many new others will come in at the same time. I assume many of us here are around 40-70 years old and we felt violated by all these plans that devaluing our works. We are all exhausted too. But for those 20 year old kids who just joined in, they see gold. I have talked to some of them, and they are super pump up. I told them golden era is over since 2013 and is not worth submitting, but they are still pump up. I guess maybe it is just us that is fading away and become irrelevant.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2021, 03:13 by leremy »

« Reply #60 on: April 16, 2021, 04:24 »
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Not sure if this is a good move or not.

Adobe has a huge loyal customer base, if they are introducing anything then they must have gone through a lot of research.

« Reply #61 on: April 16, 2021, 05:26 »
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I appreciate it was Mat who gave us this exciting news, not by a forum moderator as was done on SS. It was a terrible way to announce something so important. That alone shows how much they value their contributors on SS.

I'm trying to find the positive aspects of this, if there are any. Perhaps the number of downloads will increase with this reform?

ShadySue

  • There is a crack in everything
« Reply #62 on: April 16, 2021, 05:37 »
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Not sure if this is a good move or not.

Adobe has a huge loyal customer base, if they are introducing anything then they must have gone through a lot of research.
Ditto iS and SS.

« Reply #63 on: April 16, 2021, 05:41 »
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Why don't you pay us a monthly salary? The commissions thing no longer makes sense. Give me a salary for every x photos and sell them however you want.
I had a private speaking few years ago. Yes, some agencies tried to have photographers on a payroll. I don't know the further evolution, but these people were like "contributors".

« Reply #64 on: April 16, 2021, 05:48 »
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Wonder what Adobe's marketing spend is vs what they stand to make from this move. Wonder what the cost of all this ill will and tarnishing of the brand in the creative community is worth? Be interesting to know.

« Reply #65 on: April 16, 2021, 06:01 »
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I'm trying to find the positive aspects of this, if there are any.
Try "Adobe will make more money"?

« Reply #66 on: April 16, 2021, 07:18 »
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I'm trying to find the positive aspects of this, if there are any.
Try "Adobe will make more money"?

That's obvious. Mat willl probably get a fair raise and a decent bonus too. No need to do microstock anymore...

Just joking, Mat is one of the good guys in this business!  :)
« Last Edit: April 16, 2021, 08:55 by Ukko »

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« Reply #67 on: April 16, 2021, 10:52 »
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Just joking, Mat is one of the good guys in this business!  :)

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Without ever meeting Mat he seems like a very nice person and positive by nature... I very much enjoy and appreciate his presence on this forum.

... but do not forget he is still the Contributor Service Associate under employ for Adobe Stock and he too has his priorities and responsibilities like spinning this 'exciting' news off as rainbows and unicorns.

A few other agencies in the past did the very same thing with an almost cult like following. It works.

Trauma bonding 101.


« Reply #68 on: April 16, 2021, 13:18 »
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blahblah

anyhow, there soon will not be much
old-time-contributor and new-contributors with latest topical concept
because cost covering producing isnt possible anymore.

(yes - flooding of vacation and leisure pics will continue)


« Reply #69 on: April 16, 2021, 13:22 »
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Quote
People who used to steal our stuffs from pirated sites will soon become a customer

what are you smoking?

wds

« Reply #70 on: April 16, 2021, 13:35 »
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So do we know when this will begin?

« Reply #71 on: April 16, 2021, 14:28 »
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Adobe might be better out of the stock photo business. I presume their main business is software. If stock image prices continue to plummet, fewer photographers will need adobe software. A calculated gamble on their part, alienating their software buyers.

« Reply #72 on: April 16, 2021, 19:40 »
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Microstock is no longer a viable professional option for 99% of contributors. If you live in a cheap country it might work for you a little longer...

No, not anymore. After the Shutterstock's change, microstock has immediately become a part-time job for most contributors even in "cheap" countries.

« Reply #73 on: April 16, 2021, 19:44 »
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I unsubscribe yesterday.
i had all apps but i was just using it for after effects. I find Davinci real better for editing.
But now I am going to try Fusion. it seems very good,  its free and it's more used here for commercials and movies.
I think there is no point of spending 36,89 a month when i can get better for free now.

starting cut somewhere.
love you too adobe :-)

k_t_g

  • Always ready for you!
« Reply #74 on: April 16, 2021, 22:59 »
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*steaming pile of poop*💩 :( Its a good thing I have some other skills to take advantage of. Sigh.....
And I to think I kindly did a survey not long a go.

Shame that artists are always treated as the "toilet paper" of the industry instead of fine paper.  We are not a dime a dozen.

Anyways those companies that live by greed and individuals likewise will have that back fire on then sooner or later. They are just shooting themselves in the foot.
A real same.  :( *shakes head*🤦‍♀️


 

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