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Panthermedia.net / Re: What about Panthermedia?
« on: February 26, 2014, 04:48 »
Its great to see Team Panther Media folks engaging on this forum - thanks for that!  :)

I was thinking about signing up there but was deterred because I heard the upload process is (somewhat) difficult and there were few sales.

Would you like to share with us what plans you have as a company on these two fronts?  Do you expect changes during 2014 − 15?

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Depositphotos tops my list - after the DP/ Shotshop deal came out! I've already deactivated about 25% of my port and plan to deactivate more soon.

When things like this come out in the open one wonders if its worth uploading to many agencies at all.  Maybe its best to stay with 3 or 4 of the most professional ones - and drop the others - so as to not place content in hands of agencies who disregard contributor interest and treat the content almost like their personal property - which it is NOT !!

Maybe one's own site (Symbiostock) is best way to go to replace income from any wayward agencies.

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I would be really surprised if a mass exodus doesn't start happening soon. We just need to spread the word.

Well, I've certainly started to do that as far as my DP portfolio is concerned.  Ever since the excellent investigative report appeared in the 'Alltag eines Fotoproduzenten' (many thanks to the guys who did that, made test purchases, and uncovered the issue), I've tried number of times but failed to get any clear professional response from DP - beyond platitudes and general cut-and-paste type email replies that don't clarify anything to my understanding! 

So I've deactivated about 25% of my port already and more will go in coming days.  Obviously am not uploading any new content.

Like some others, have been asking them to remove my files from all their partner, reseller, API etc deals but got told that this will take about a month!!!  Am waiting  >:(

On a related note, it's really surprising that no one from senior management within DP has started to engage - for instance on this forum - to address contributor concerns in any genuine way.  All the responses I got were from someone called Vicky and Stacey (no last name - no business title) which were the cut-and-paste kind.  And as this matter is slipping more and more, deactivations are probably increasing, and its appearing on social media - the article itself, Facebook, Twitter etc. - all of which is only likely to increase deactivations, and undermine future uploads, if contributor's trust will keep falling in this company.  And if it really goes viral on social media, it can affect contributors, buyers, anyone that has dealing with them.  But maybe they don't care about that either!?!

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Thanks for posting this.  Kudos to the photogs in Kiev for the great work amidst a very disturbing situation!!

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If anyone wants to RT or Fav it, it should be possible here:

https://twitter.com/sdeva/status/437023786219880448

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On Twitter:

Less than 1% photographer fee? Questions raised on #Depositphotos business practice (English translation from German)
http://goo.gl/SLDLA0

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Maybe it is of interest for some: I've written a blog article about the deal in my Blog (in german):
http://www.alltageinesfotoproduzenten.de/2014/02/17/weniger-als-1-fotografenhonorar-depositphotos-macht-es-moeglich/


Is there an English translation of this article that I can find somewhere?

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DP response that they may take a month to remove my content from their partners resellers etc certainly does not sound either professional or competent or contributor- friendly in any way, to me.

I also asked them to clarify exactly where it reads in the agreement that they can sell my content at the sub rates to their resellers for further re-sale.

Wonder if I will get clear and specific responses instead of the generalised stuff they've been feeding me to now.

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I complained and was told they would remove mine, but I see they are still currently there.

Likewise. I asked them to remove my images from all their partner, reseller, API and any other affiliate sites. Got a response that it will be done as soon as possible. However find that my images are still showing up on Shotshop. Have sent them another email asking them to remove promptly and am waiting. If there is no action from their side in next day or two to remove all my files from their partners, resellers etc, I plan to delete a significant number of my portfolio from DP itself. 

Can't imagine why this agency does not respond in a fair and comprehensive manner to address a problem that is now literally in their face. It's also disappointing that they haven't found it necessary to come around to this forum to try resolve issue! Someone mentioned March 1st as day to deactivate in an earlier post.. Something to seriously think about I guess?

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This whole issue sounds entirely unfair to contributor interests.  I am wondering how a reseller can be permitted to get our files on subscription, as they are not end-users who are buying in bulk at highly discounted sub rates. They are resellers apparantly taking high markups at contributor expense.

I have asked DP to remove my files from all partners, resellers, API and any other affiliate sites of this company.


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I have written to DP as well seeking clarifications and will act according to how this pans out from the agency side.  It appears completely unacceptable the way it stands and undermines faith in the company unless they act fairly and fast to address/ resolve the issue.

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Interestingly, if one looks at the DP Standard and Extended License Agreement:

http://depositphotos.com/license.html(link)

It is clearly noted that - The Standard License allows the use of the purchased File for the creation of different kinds of items (except Items for Resale or Items for Free Distribution, where the File plays a major role in the item and adds value to it) (sic).

Its also noted that items for Re-sale require an Extended license.  Isn't Shotshop re-selling?  So why is this treated as a Standard license for payment of (sub) royalties to contributors?

So now I'm really confused??  If Shotshop sales are a re-sale (as it clearly looks to be) then WHY aren't we paid Extended license commissions?  That would seem to be the correct and fair thing, isn't it. 

Or am I missing something here??!

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Got pretty much the same response from DP.  Here's how I understood it.  DPs contention is that they are selling at Sub rates and paying us accordingly.  However the buyer/vendor (in this case Shotshop) is selling at rates fixed by them (much higher) as - 'it is up to our partners to set their prices (sic)' . 

So on the one hand we have a sub sale in a 'new market'  which we otherwise would not have (the gist of DP's contention).  But we are only getting a tiny fraction of the actual sale price - making this an abysmal deal for us.  They have the legal/ contractual right to do this, according to the quoted text in DP's response.  And finally, we can take it or lump it!  We can't opt out of individual partner programs - but we can opt out of all their partner programs if we wish to. 

The ball rests squarely in our court.

Welcome to microstock 2014!   :(

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Thanks for highlighting .. this is a great post! I've written to DP as well and am now waiting for their response.  Have asked to clarify both commission % from Shotshop sales (different sizes), as well as opt out options from this and other partner programs.

Am looking forward to the response so that I can figure what to do with my port on DP.

 

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Newbie Discussion / Re: SS very strange review process
« on: February 06, 2014, 07:05 »
The title - SS very strange review process - sounds like a broad generalization that I find hard to agree with!  There are days when an image or two gets rejected that I feel should have gone through.  But in general I  would say SS is pretty fair on reviews.  If they are tough that's not such a bad thing. Because they do sell better than most other microstock sites for many contributors including me.

An idea might be to evaluate your work against the best selling images on SS and see if there's room for adjustments - to get at par with microstock needs and standards.  Its not about being a good or bad photographer - more I think, its about identifying what the microstock industry specifically requires.

 :)

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General Stock Discussion / Re: API Partner sales pros and cons
« on: February 02, 2014, 04:27 »
Thanks  :)

Unfortunately I couldn't figure out what part of the sales come from partner sites nor indeed where the sales got made. So didn't seem to be too much clarity there!

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General Stock Discussion / API Partner sales pros and cons
« on: February 02, 2014, 03:55 »
Wondering if its worth it to be on API Partner sales?  I'm signed up for example at 123RF, but revenue there's been dragging in recent months and makes me re-evaluate some aspects. Apologies if this topic has been addressed multiple times before as I guess it might have been  :)

Your take much appreciated...

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General Stock Discussion / Re: January results
« on: February 01, 2014, 07:03 »
Jan closed positive year-on-year to Jan 13  :) with growth coming from Photodune, Shutterstock and bits and pieces in gains at some other agencies.  Poor on Dreamstime with same dls but lower $ (subs!!).  123RF dropped big time, its been struggling for me in recent months despite new content regularly uploaded. Zilch on Alamy and next to zilch on Veer.  Bigstock had better revenue for once but RPD sucks, and how!

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Reshuffle on shutter ?
« on: February 01, 2014, 00:26 »
Thanks for sharing Scott, appreciate it  :)

Whatever's underway worked well for me on the last day of Jan.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Microstock: where more is less
« on: January 31, 2014, 11:00 »
 
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Whaaaat? You mean that microstock photography is subject to the same laws of supply & demand, increasing standards and international competition ... as pretty much everything else in the world? Breaking news shocker.
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Yeah, agree .. it sounds funny.  Guess its just my cant-get-my-head-around-the-basics mood today  ;D

 

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Site Related / Re: Apologies to the community
« on: January 31, 2014, 10:47 »
Great job on the weight loss.

Cheers!  :)

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Microstock: where more is less
« on: January 31, 2014, 04:32 »
There's no suggestion there.  Just a sad fact of life...

 :)

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General Stock Discussion / Microstock: where more is less
« on: January 31, 2014, 04:03 »
Welcome to the world of microstock, where More is Less !!  ???

More content we upload = more power to stock agency = less in commission amount to contributor.

More content we upload = more images go up on sale = less in sale for each of us.

Are contributors feeding way too much content to stock agencies that will eventually lead to our own demise?

Umm.. Guilty, your honor!!

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