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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2022, 09:39 »
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Hi again, moments ago, a blog article was published with more detailed information on this important announcement. You can read it here: https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2022/12/05/amplifying-human-creativity-adobe-stock-welcomes-content-using-generative-ai
 
Let me know if you have any questions.

-Mat Hayward

Mat, link doesn't seem to work?


« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2022, 10:18 »
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Hi again, moments ago, a blog article was published with more detailed information on this important announcement. You can read it here: https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2022/12/05/amplifying-human-creativity-adobe-stock-defines-new-guidelines-content-generative-ai
 
Let me know if you have any questions.

-Mat Hayward

I am not sure but should we be happy or sad?
With AI content being accepted, it has opened doors for maximum non-qualified people to upload the assets.

Where are we artist now?

« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2022, 10:24 »
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Hi again, moments ago, a blog article was published with more detailed information on this important announcement. You can read it here: https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2022/12/05/amplifying-human-creativity-adobe-stock-defines-new-guidelines-content-generative-ai
 
Let me know if you have any questions.

-Mat Hayward

I am not sure but should we be happy or sad?
With AI content being accepted, it has opened doors for maximum non-qualified people to upload the assets.

Where are we artist now?
The whole point is to get rid of artists, a major expense for AdobeStock. What I don't understand is who they think will be subscribing to their software when we are all out of business. Ironic that it's Getty and SS that seem to be at least a bit concerned with the ramifications.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2022, 10:31 by Justanotherphotographer »

« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2022, 11:03 »
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Hi again, moments ago, a blog article was published with more detailed information on this important announcement. You can read it here: https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2022/12/05/amplifying-human-creativity-adobe-stock-defines-new-guidelines-content-generative-ai
 
Let me know if you have any questions.

-Mat Hayward
Hi Mat,
thank you very much! It seems a quite serious approach and a way to clarify all the doubts expressed here.
I think too that this is a new creative tool in our hands.
One questions please:
 if the AI generated image is used as a sketch and heavily processed after, must we always write made with generative AI?
Thanks in advance!





« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2022, 11:19 »
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Hi again, moments ago, a blog article was published with more detailed information on this important announcement. You can read it here: https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2022/12/05/amplifying-human-creativity-adobe-stock-defines-new-guidelines-content-generative-ai
 
Please refer to the FAQ for additional information: https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/generative-ai-faq.html

-Mat Hayward
Hi Mat,
thank you very much! It seems a quite serious approach and a way to clarify all the doubts expressed here.
I think too that this is a new creative tool in our hands.
One questions please:
 if the AI generated image is used as a sketch and heavily processed after, must we always write made with generative AI?
Thanks in advance!

Thanks for the question, @gameover. Yes, even when your images are heavily processed in post, it is important you tag the content with "generative AI" in the title and in the keywords (in English). In addition, you must include "generative" and "AI" as two separate keywords.

Thanks again,

Mat Hayward 

« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2022, 12:52 »
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Where are we artist now?

Stock agencies were never a great place for artists anyway. Now even more so.

jav

« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2022, 13:22 »
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Hi Matt, thanks for the information.
One question: Works that contain a combination of AI and 3d rendering should also be titled and tagged as AI?

« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2022, 13:45 »
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Hi Matt, thanks for the information.
One question: Works that contain a combination of AI and 3d rendering should also be titled and tagged as AI?

Please refer to the FAQ for detailed information on metadata requirements: https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/generative-ai-faq.html

thanks,

Mat Hayward

jav

« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2022, 14:27 »
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OK thank you

« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2022, 15:41 »
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I am not sure but should we be happy or sad?
With AI content being accepted, it has opened doors for maximum non-qualified people to upload the assets.

Where are we artist now?

if their work is accepted, how are they non-qualified?  what makes you an 'artist' and not them?

early photograpy was rejected by 'real artists'

it's evolution in action

« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2022, 15:45 »
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The whole point is to get rid of artists, a major expense for AdobeStock. What I don't understand is who they think will be subscribing to their software when we are all out of business. Ironic that it's Getty and SS that seem to be at least a bit concerned with the ramifications.

i havent seen them considering anything other than the copyright questions on the training sets -- SS is accepting AI art made with their database



« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2022, 16:10 »
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And does anyone even know what programs can generate these images? And what are the PC requirements?

« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2022, 16:55 »
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there're some confusing stds listed:

2 very different requirements for tagging:

 https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/generative-ai-content.html

Do: Specify that these depictions are fictitious and generated


https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/generative-ai-faq.html

Tag your generative AI content to help customers find it:
    Titles should include the phrase, in English, "Generative AI"
        - Example title: Beautiful landscape. Generative AI.
    Keywords should include the English phrase "Generative AI" as well as "Generative" and "AI" in the          language you are submitting your assets.
        - Example keywords: Landscape, No People, Generative AI, Generative, AI.



so tags have to include all these:
fictitious, generated ,"Generative AI" , "Generative" , "AI"  ??


-----------------------------


"Dont tag generative AI content with real place names."
   
what is considered specific?  castle in Wales, Everest, Taj Mahal, Matterhorn??


---------------
I submitted "Imaginary ancient Egyptian papyrus of Horus from the Book of the Dead - original CGI illustration "

rejected saying it needed a property release - i questioned & was told to re-submit, but concerned next reviewer would still reject 

 




« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2022, 20:19 »
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I am not sure but should we be happy or sad?
With AI content being accepted, it has opened doors for maximum non-qualified people to upload the assets.

Where are we artist now?

if their work is accepted, how are they non-qualified?  what makes you an 'artist' and not them?

early photograpy was rejected by 'real artists'

it's evolution in action

I think you are missing the point. There is difference between create and generate.

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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2022, 01:01 »
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And does anyone even know what programs can generate these images? And what are the PC requirements?

We've been through this.

« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2022, 02:30 »
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When the Daguerreotype appeared and photography was born as an art form many painters turned against photographers saying that there was no such thing as an art form in photos because photographers were just copying reality. It is curious that Reality was what most painters were painting at that time.

Then with digital and Sw like photoshop, many followed the wave of saying that those images were not art photography. They were pure manipulation of reality, forgetting also the principle of image value (representation of an idea or a presented idea). AI technology allows to improve an artist's performance in many ways and brings new possibilities for an artist to express himself. It is in the Prompt that we identify the originality and value of the represented image.

Therefore a person that understands code and use different sw to produce images is just valid to me as a painter.

There is a fine essay that is taught in Art Universities called "The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction" from Walter Benjamin which helps to understand that Generative process is just that: a process. Oil painting, analogue or digital photography and even generative AI are not exactly copy/paste but an process of making images.

There are lots of SW online to make "G-Art". We all can go to Github and craft our own SW based in the available codes that are free there. Also we can use sw like stable diffusion to mix, create, train our own models like most of people do nowadays.

Nevertheless, in short: I do like and make "G-Art". Some things are amazing but still... i prefer doing street photography. No code can give me the pleasure to shoot those moments with my camera.

« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2022, 02:53 »
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Let's take a real-life situation (at least it's real-life for me) :  suppose I "create" a beautiful background of romantic woodlands, or a victorian interior, or anything in Midjourney (or any other AI program) and I use it as a background for a cut-out photo of a real living model.  So the model is a photo and needs a model release, and the background is AI generated.


If I put this image in my Adobe portfolio for sale, it should be submitted as an illustration with AI Generated in title and keywords.  And because it is AI generated, reviewers will assume the woman/model is also AI generated, so not needing a model release ... 


I think I already know the answer :  submit as illustration and add a MR, but how will this affect search?  If a buyer searches for a model in romantic woodlands, and he/she ticks the "with people" button, which images will appear?  Only the ones with MR, or also the images with an AI person in it ?  Interesting problem?


Would like to hear Matt's opinion about this ...

« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2022, 04:13 »
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When the Daguerreotype appeared and photography was born as an art form many painters turned against photographers saying that there was no such thing as an art form in photos because photographers were just copying reality. It is curious that Reality was what most painters were painting at that time.


Those are very good points to be honest. The artists who're going to hurt the most are the ones (and have always been the ones) who have devoted many years to learning and perfecting a craft only to find it obsolete one day and has been taken over by a completely different process (painting to photography, analog to digital etc.). So I can understand why people feel hurt at technological shifts in artistic process because when you've invested so much in one particular process it's too difficult to change course and learn another. Especially when your livelihood depends on it. I mean, I can understand why many people would be intimidated by having to learn to code to make art in the future because it is not an easy thing to learn at all.

« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2022, 04:18 »
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Hi everyone,

Today, we are announcing our policy regarding generative AI content, and Id like to share that we have begun accepting illustrations made using generative AI into our collection.

Thanks Mat, that's the right way to manage the new AI technology as a fantastic tool to produce great images!
Other agencies come out with non sense rules like "you can't produce with AI, but we can" while Adobe make the right choice for contributors.

AI will of course deeply change the photography history, but I think it's unavoidable process, impossible to stop.

Next years will be challenging, and that's the life. Good luck everyone

« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2022, 04:57 »
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Hi everyone,

Today, we are announcing our policy regarding generative AI content, and Id like to share that we have begun accepting illustrations made using generative AI into our collection.

Thanks Mat, that's the right way to manage the new AI technology as a fantastic tool to produce great images!
Other agencies come out with non sense rules like "you can't produce with AI, but we can" while Adobe make the right choice for contributors.

AI will of course deeply change the photography history, but I think it's unavoidable process, impossible to stop.

Next years will be challenging, and that's the life. Good luck everyone

I think will be like HDR. First year extra popular then every year less. We will see..

« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2022, 05:02 »
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The whole point is to get rid of artists, a major expense for AdobeStock. What I don't understand is who they think will be subscribing to their software when we are all out of business. Ironic that it's Getty and SS that seem to be at least a bit concerned with the ramifications.

i havent seen them considering anything other than the copyright questions on the training sets -- SS is accepting AI art made with their database
I agree, hence "at least a bit concerned".

I suspect Adobe is ignoring copyright implications as they will eventually just buy an AI solution or make their own. They don't want to set a precedent for compensating artists.

I think they want to be a software provider making their money from subs to their AI engine (or their partners). This will make up for less demand for their traditional offering.

Getty and SS may end up licensing their collections to other companies for training (as well as saving on payouts to their own contributors).

Just spitballing.

« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2022, 07:45 »
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Very sensible policy! Thank you!


 

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