Author Topic: Announcing Adobe Firefly – A new family of creative generative AI models (Read 16277 times)

cobalt · « **Reply #125 on:** September 15, 2023, 04:36 »

istock put up a notice/reminder that they do not accept images using any generative ai tools including generative fill etc...

This is important to remember as many producers will use ai tools in photoshop in their daily work now.

Kenneth_17 · « **Reply #126 on:** September 15, 2023, 05:19 »

Quote from: synthetick on September 15, 2023, 04:03

Quote from: Kenneth_17 on September 15, 2023, 02:03
What I still don't fully understand is the following. Adobe is marketing Firefly as the safe option to avoid copyright hassles. They even guarantee invincibility. But how does a buyer know on Adobe Stock that they are purchasing an image generated by Firefly and not an image created by, for example, Midjourney?

Will there be a separate category for images created by Firefly? Because if that's the case, the sales of the approximately 15 million GenAI images currently in the database (which are not created by Firefly) may dwindle. Because why would a buyer purchase those, if Adobe implicitly suggests there may be some risk associated with them?

Because Adobe has been promoting Firefly as an "ethical" AI, I was quite surprised when I discovered that Adobe has trained Firefly on other "non-ethical" AI images. So I asked about this on the Discord server and got this response from an Adobe staff member: "Adobe accepts Generative AI images on Stock, and Generative AI images from the Adobe Stock collection are a small part of the Firefly training dataset. Contributors who submit these images must agree to our Contributor Additional Terms of Use, which include the representation that the contributor has the necessary rights to the images, that the images comply with all of the terms, and that these images will meet our guidelines around the use of generative AI tools. . All Stock images come with a representation that they do not infringe the IP of others and generative images are received the same way. If content is provided that violates those representations, we take that content down upon notice."

Haha, but some of those images clearly violate intellectual property (IP) rights. There are quite a number of AI-generated images featuring a certain fruit logo on the back of laptops, for instance, in the existing database. Adobe certainly places a lot of trust in their contributors. So now, the database will contain a mixture of 'ethical' AI-generated images and non-ethical ones (because they were not generated with Firefly). However, since Firefly is also trained with 'non-ethical' AI-generated images, the database is somewhat contaminated from the start, isn't it?

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #127 on:** September 15, 2023, 06:03 »

Quote from: cobalt on September 15, 2023, 04:36

istock put up a notice/reminder that they do not accept images using any generative ai tools including generative fill etc...

Sadly most AI contributors will not care and istock will not be able to tell. I think, at least for now, if you look at an AI image in microstock-suitable enhanced full size, in 90% of all cases you can tell it's AI generated and not a real photo - at least for AI images that are supposed to look like photos. With illustrations it is much more difficult.
But if it is actually a real photo and just a part of it was altered with AI - How is a reviewer supposed to tell whether it was altered with traditional photoshop methods or with Firefly?

But I still appreciate the sentiment. iStock certainly was not one of my favorite agencies due to their extremely small 1cent commissions, but they have gained back some of my respect with their anti-AI stance and lawsuit.

cobalt · « **Reply #128 on:** September 15, 2023, 06:33 »

I think they are clear in their policy, but they have repeatedly said, they would revisit the issue when firefly is available for commercial use.

At some point I am sure they will accept firefly ai content.

Photoshop sets the standards, a year from now nobody will understand why a normal photoshop tool is not allowed.

getty/alamy/envato are also part of the bria project

https://bria.ai/

Maybe they are waiting until their own ai project is truly usable to generate ai content and will allow both that tool and firefly at the same time.

eta

I registered and tried it. Seems to be a variant of dalle with more than square format and slightly better quality.

Not very impressed and I don‘t think with that level of quality it is suitable for commercial use. Firefly is a lot better.

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #129 on:** September 15, 2023, 07:39 »

Adobe's business is very lucreative: they feed us ~~money~~ peanuts (but about 30 or 40 millions dollars for peanuts if paid around $0.10 per image) for stealing us the "food" they gave to their filthy beast. Why didn't they pay before doing it? They had to be able to first analyze the excrement of this beast? Agree or not, everyone must feed the beast! This is how it is, and Adobe calls it “developing generative AI responsibly”, like the ironic words of a dictator.

I am sorry, but I was not happy to receive that money, which I would have liked to refuse to preserve my freedom and image rights, as other more “responsible” stock sites permit us by an opt-out.
But the beast will always be hungry, and they will still use our products, perhaps for free. Products made always made more invisible because they are dissolved in the crowd more and more, and mistreated by search engines. But that will be perfectly well sucked up for use by their deep thing.

They have absolute power, who would stop them in this corrupt world on all levels?
Justice? when the only certainty is lawyers win in any case... the money they get from the people who have been abused.

matelusz · « **Reply #130 on:** September 16, 2023, 04:28 »

Matt, when accepting the terms of use of the Firefly plug-in in Photoshop, a message appears that commercial use of the beta version is prohibited. Does this mean that the Photoshop plug-in is still in beta or is it safe to upload files to Adobe Stock?

cascoly · « **Reply #132 on:** September 18, 2023, 13:42 »

Quote from: MatHayward on September 18, 2023, 09:31

Quote from: matelusz on September 16, 2023, 04:28
Matt, when accepting the terms of use of the Firefly plug-in in Photoshop, a message appears that commercial use of the beta version is prohibited. Does this mean that the Photoshop plug-in is still in beta or is it safe to upload files to Adobe Stock?

Firefly is out of beta. You can use it for commercial purposes. Update your main Photoshop on your computer through the Creative Cloud and you should be good to go.

-Mat

the confusion is what commercial means - we can use the images almost anywhere but can't submit these 'commercial' images to Adobe while we can submit all our other images, including ai generated

spike · « **Reply #133 on:** September 18, 2023, 17:58 »

Quote from: MatHayward on September 13, 2023, 11:02

Quote from: Lina on September 13, 2023, 10:04
And you are raising CC software prices which were already high, that's really not nice Adobe. $:-\$

"Starting November 2023, Adobe plans for users to be able to purchase additional Generative Credits through a new subscription plan, starting at $4.99/month for 100 Credits." So will we get paid whenever someone uses our image and know which one is it, like we are paid for normal, paid images? It should be similar, why not? I like bonus I got, but I don't like to be paid in bulk, not knowing how many of my images were used and at which price.

All info is from Adobe blog https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2023/09/13/ai-creative-cloud-release-pricing-update?sdid=VG52KCB7&mv=social&mv2=paid-owned&fbclid=IwAR0W4AIxqg-zKvR8XNEQT3r80dW5NGWwxFZgn4DnAjUARChtw_3OLRibYEI.

Currently there is no contributor compensation for images that are generated and licensed from Firefly. We do not have information on future compensation.

-Mat Hayward

Well, that's not great.

I assume a lot of contributors (at least I) would rather get a fractional amount of each firefly generation rather than the upfront hush money.

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